/atheism/ - Atheism

>>11147

Why do drink the christian cool-aid?

Marx did know better over a 100 years ago.

The whole purpose of religion is oppression of the uneducated.

>>11147

DId god appear to you?

>>11149

Not necessarily. It all started with the Constantinian shift, when the church merged with the government. The chruch was used as justification for the political aspirations of the government, and those aspirations weren't ethical… Obviously. It was used to subjugate peoples, and Christianity is completely opposed to that. That's why all authority, especially christian authority, needs to be abolished… Along with all other governmental authority. Chruch and state should be separate, and the state should be atheistic and neutral… Promoting science.

>>11154

Not physically, but yeah… He did appear to me in a way. I reasoned my way to God, realising that faith lies behind every belief in meaning. Atheists have faith, everybody has some degree of faith that is irrational… That's the absurdity of nature.

I'm not saying it takes faith to be an atheist, though holding humanistic beliefs does require a faith.

Why do you think so many Christians hate marxism/communism/socialism? Aside from the fact that the political ideologies are oft forced by the state and Christianity is voluntary, they do seem to at the very least hold very similar principles.

>>11147

>ex atheist

Why?

>>11156

Define faith.

>everybody has some degree of faith that is irrational

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to minimize it.

>>11156

>Atheists have faith, everybody has some degree of faith that is irrational…

That would make faith an unfalsifiable concept

>>11156

I don't have faith.

t. atheist

>>11158

Not OP but most communist/Marxists dislike chrisfags a lot and insult it.

Some seem to view Marxism as the devils work to kill off the good old Christian house hold.

>>11156

>everybody has some degree of faith that is irrational… That's the absurdity of nature.

No, it's just a simplification. Evolution is all about efficiency, not logical rigor. We make assumptions about reality because we haven't figured all of it out, and because these assumptions work. We've dropped the assumptions that didn't work. There are tons of them: aether, spontaneous generation, alchemy, humours, miasma, etc.

> holding humanistic beliefs does require a faith.

No, it requires empathy, which functions on the neurological level to the point that we have neurons that specialize in caring about other people. There's nothing wrong with emotions that aren't rational so long as they don't cause problems. Not everything has to be 100% logically decided. That said, improving the world for humans is a rational behavior because you are a human and live in the world. Improving the world is to your benefit, albeit indirectly.

>>11159

But for what goal? What does minimising faith do? And why should we hold that end as being good, to say it's good requires a leap of faith. Since the world is without objective meaning, anything with even the littlest of meaning requires some degree of faith to believe in. I recommend reading into Christian existentialism and Kierkegaard.

I went to a bunch of monasteries in Greece and seemed convinced that deprivation was a way to achieve true peace. Just because I choose to not pursue pointless, limitless hedonism doesn't mean I have to force others to do the same. People find their own way to achieve inner peace , sadly the majority don't actually find it. Sex, drugs, partying… That doesn't actually do anything as it always ends. Even the Buddhists, who can be atheists, agree with this… In what's called in orthodox monasticism apatheia, and in Buddhism called nirvana. A state where you have no urges or desires… I'm going to become a monk, an anchorite specifically.

>>11175

I agree with empathy being natural, and I believe it's God given… But I know you don't share that belief. People can still do bad things even with empathy, not because of a fellow desire to hurt others occurring on the same level as empathy, but simply by external influence persuading them to commit evil. (Example: a person knows stealing is wrong, but the intensity of their envy causes them to take it, or somebody killing a family member so they can be the claimant of inheritance.) I believe this to be the devil, the external urges that persuade us to act in immoral ways. This doesn't require god to believe in, this is a very naturalistic and easy to understand concept… It's a fact.

>>11158

Good question. Because they haven't truly understood who Christ was or what is teachings meant. Most of these people despise immigrants, despite the bible having literally hundreds of passages on loving and accepting immigrants.

Jesus hung around prostitutes, adulterers, etc… He didn't condemn them, he invited them in.

Jesus didn't politely ask the money changers to politely leave the temple, he flipped the tables and whipped them… Forcing them and proclaiming "This is a house of prayer, but you have turned it into a den of thieves!"

Jesus was very radical, and in acts it literally says believers should live, and everything should be held in common and distributed according to need. It's straight outta Das capital… I believe that's acts 6:44-45

I think it's because of what I said before, about how Christianity is being abused by the elite to control Christians and herd them like sheep into being zionists and neocons. It's being abused by those on the right in the GOP to get votes for policies that intend to crush their voters who heavily rely on welfare. There was a good pic of Ted Cruz kneeling and pretending to prayer in front of the White House with the quote from Jesus about hypocrites praying in the street to be seen by others.

The teachings of Christ about helping the needy and healing the sick need to be brought into today's times, meaning the economic and social system should be centred around the social security and welfare of people, not just first world people but all people. This is possible, but not with a system like capitalism that continues to kill millions every year, causing starvation and wars through imperialism.

Christ was about attaining peace, even if that means using violence to destroy the oppressor, the transgressors of goodness and morality. The unjust rulers.

I'm also bisexual, and Christ openly blessed a gay man and healed his lover. I'll expand on that if anybody is interested .

>>11164

You read right. What's wrong?

What good has a theocracy done? Even in the Islamic caliphate, during the golden age, it was run by people who denied the flawless validity and endlessness of the Quran. It was the Mu`tazila

I believe in evolution, the Big Bang, etc… I have no issue with science, I love science. It doesn't contradict my beliefs in anyway, i accept everything that can be proven empirically.

God cannot be proven empirically, and requires the faith of one who wishes to believe. That doesn't mean you have to, you can believe what ever makes you happy. I choose Christ, but does he exist? Yes. God is more than just a force behind creation, God transcends even the role of creator… god is the creator of the creator, and the creator of that creator… But God himself is endless, imagine it like a silence that can never be disturbed. You can do anything, you can scream and ring loud bells but it can never be broken, the silence just encompasses everything.

God is that silence, God is in everything… god is in the grass and wind when the grass blows to the left on a windy day, God is in the raindrop dripping off the petal of a follower… god is everything and beyond what he is conventionally considered as being.

God is not a man who wiggles his fingers like a magician and creates the universe… god is present in the creation of the universe, God is a cause and effect on such a subatomic level that cause and effect becomes deterministic… That within a certain set of conditions, cause and effect can act no differently. The result of that resection within the laws of physics can deliver no other result, and that's God… That determinism behind life.

If you look at a picture of Christ, not the man himself but what the man posses… What do you see in his face, what expression is he making and what does it signify? Within that icon is something much deeper, like in all art something much deeper is present… And the beauty of that art is the law of God, is the transfer of true holiness and appreciation… A type of worship.

Look on YouTube for a guy called Father Lazarus, he's a monk living in the Middle of the Egyptian desert. The coptic Christian youth channel did like a 5 hour length documentary/interview with him… He talks about how the bible isn't objective, as many atheists have rightfully observed. That it's made to suit whatever one truly feels, it can be stretched to fit any hole in a persons heart. That's the beauty of the bible, that's how it's supposed to be… It's supposed to be ambiguous.

Atheists will go to heaven, but know that You will be standing at the back of the cue. Think of it like the DMV, but far far worse… Worser than you can possibly imagine.

;)

Convert nao!!11!

Just joking, atheists will go to heaven as much as I will… Evil people will cease to exist.

Torment is playing their game, not to mention the immorality of it… God is good, he cannot be unjust. There's entire volumes written on this by various saints, read into them… About the Christian dualism and it's synthesis.

>>11183

>the bad people get out of existence, but the good ones' punishment must be more severe, hence, heaven

What can some want to punish themselves like that?

>>11176

You don't give any examples. Which irrational faith is necessary and good?

Also the whole buddhist idea that having no urges and desire is bs. We went so far because we wanted something.

A better life, safty, knowledge. Stagnation is death.

>>11193

Buddhism has a method for reaching its goal though. It would be both escapist and useful for a working class janitor with no prospects for improving his status or shaking the world. The religion teaches you not to be caught up on material possessions, and to be ready to face total annihilation upon death. It was also useful for samurai.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dokkōdō

>>11179

>it doesn't contradict my beliefs in anyway

Which version of the Bible did you read and how high are you?

>>11147

How's the 8th grade? I hear common core sucks.

>>11147

Is it true you think marx was a prophet and capital is a holy book? Also, why are you a classcuck?

>>11405

Look up "liberation theology"