/atheism/ - Atheism

>>11461

Epicurus proposed that idea nearly two thousand years ago.

The gods live in perfect bliss and don't give a fuck what you do.

I'm paraphrasing, of course, he was more eloquent that and I cannot find the actual quote.

>>11463

I like that quote. I wish someone had told me this as a child.

I posted it in a Christian Forum and they said Aurelius never said that.

Can you tell where it's from?

>>11465

while I agree in principle it doesn't matter where a good idea comes from, the reality is it that quotes with famous respected sources carry a lot more weight with people.

Who said it matters. (see pic)

The quote in my pic would get a lot more mileage if it was attributed to Abe Lincoln.

>>11476

Yeah. .. whatever.

Hitler is the symbol of evil is people strive to attach whatever they don't like to Hitler.

Hitler was not an atheist no matter how much people need him to be one. He might have a had a beef with Christianity but he was still into God.

Back before being Gay was mainstream they used to try to make Hitler into a homosexual too.

>>11507

Hates jew

worships dead kike on a stick.

Doesn't add up.

Sure it doesn't make sense but it happens all the time. That's the magic of religious thinking, it stops cognitive dissonance cold.

Martin Luther wrote a whole book about hating jews.

>you will never come up with an argument that will work on religious people

>even a perfect 100% airtight argument will at first fall on deaf ears and then later give them something to rationalize away with some new sophistry

I think the strongest argument for atheist is to ask the question what would the reality or the universe look without God and why do you think we live in a universe with God rather than one without.

I think the world looks exactly likely one that would be without God.The problem with the God hypothesis is that it is vague as fuck and never makes any actually noticeable effects on the universe. If he has no noticeable effects then he might as well not exist

>>11594

A kid might say, "Everyone would die a lot more," and then you would have to explain why people manage to stay alive. Evolution might be too counter-intuitive fore a kid to pick up, when its easier to think things are intelligently designed with purposes.

I find it easier to imagine what the world would look like if there were an active God of your choosing, and then to compare that with reality. It's be easier to watch a cartoon with a kid and then ask them, "If there is an amazing God, why aren't there more pretty things like glowing lights at night, and fairies that trail sparkley dust? Wouldn't it be fun to have a talking cat? Why is the day to day life of an average adult so unnecessarily boring and tepid?"

>>11893

That means your ancestors were heathens and are burning in hell…

But there's good news.. The Church of Latter Day Saints can baptize your dead ancestors and get them your choice of going to Heaven.

http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/mormon/baptism/

>>11636

Some atheists would argue that asking your children to do a test for you when it has results of eternal punishment is not something an all-loving and omniscient god would do.

Say you knew your child would die by playing in the street. They don't know better but you do but you give them free will to test them even though they've never heard of you nor that you said it's dangerous. You only rely on others to give word to them and to be saved they just have to be lucky enough to hear your word and abide by it. But they don't so they wind up getting ran over and spending an eternity away from you. They died because you relied on other people to convey to them your warning. Add to that, they have to choose the right god and right religion, all of which have varying degrees of nonsensicality.

In my limited love as a mortal I'd never do that to a child or someone else if I could help it. But I'd suspect an Abrahamic theist would just blow that off with the usual cop-out of 'god works in mysterious ways, you won't understand him' yet preach the bible in a way to try to get people to understand. When it fails, just throw in that 'mysterious ways' reply.

But with the "test" argument, it doesn't help that the test giver is the one that's seen as the bad one, the one that's trying to steer the unworthy away from the heavens and giving them their only means to reach "heaven". As in real life, the fun of it all is the challenge. Life is nothing without challenge, conflict and forces to overcome so I'm grateful for the forces that go against me sometimes. Life is nothing without hunger and the need to fill it, without love and the need to find it and so on. I think it's healthy to see the "bad" as "good" just as well, otherwise you end up a spiteful, bitter person that's ignorant of why life is how it is. Most religions tend to stress this good/bad black/white dichotomy and I notice it makes people very fearful and bitter sometimes.

Remember kids, atheism is a non-prophet "organization". Your life is your own to live and I'd rather stress self-reliance and thought than following false prophets that lie and tell you they know what's best for you and what you should do with your life.