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The rejection of belief in the existence of deities

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f8bbbe No.11621

When "debating" with Christians, you can expect the following forms of sophistry to be used on their behalf. Which's not suprising. Sophistry and Abrahamic religions, much like Jews and sophistry, go hand in hand. To quote Pope Pius XI from 1937 (note: this is *prior* to Vatican II): "Spiritually, we are all Semites".

(1) ad hominem attacks (which, interestingly enough, are *never* applied consistently to fellow Christians– only pagans, heretics, etc). Very childish.

(2) high IQ theological acrobatics (see: RCC / EO dogma. Argument by extension. The Bible says X, theologians will then say "based on X, we can assume Y", another theologeon will extend this again: "based on Y we can say Z", etc. Like how Christianity went from "blessed are the poor" to the assertion, by certain Calvainists, that one's personal wealth is correlative to their likelihood of being saved)

(3) deliberate vagueness in their assertions or arguements.

(4) accuse the opponent of ignorance but not backup with any evidence (if there is evidence, see #2).

(5) appeals to authority ("the church/bible is always right"– Muslims, Jews, Mormons and literally *all* Abrahamic religions make this claim. It's based entire on one's upbringing. No reasonable god would damn someone for adhering to what they were raised to believe, unless their god was unreasonable– which, many nominalists did/do actually assert, and which's *not* logically inconsistent).

(6) flat-out ignore accusations or counter-arguments (i.e., talking over the opposing party. Same as basic-bitch conservatards and libtards "debate" with one-another).

(7) pick out the weakest part of opponents argument and attack only those to draw attention away from the mainstay

(8) find any way possible to misconstrue the opponent's argument and attack that. I.e., attack the "accidental" qualities of the arguemend, rather than it's essential qualities.

(9) overly-simplistic analysis. For example: "that the left opposes the True Church(tm) is proof that it's correct". While at the same time, ignoring that the revolution eats it's own and that the left also opposes other forms of leftism. E.g., the USSR suppressed the Industrial Workers Of The World and various other leftist movements. This does not necessarily lend validity to the IWW's political platform.

Actually, this's generous. I've likely missed a few, but this post's already far too long as it is. You could go onto the "list of fallacies" Wikipedia article and all or almost all of them would likely apply. These're just the ones I've noted, off the top of my head, as being most occorant.

ac4151 No.11623

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You forgot historical revisionism. I talked to my Catholic cousin and he told me, "They recently opened up the Vatican and it turns out only 17 people were killed as witches by the Spanish Inquisition. The Protestants greatly exaggerated the number of atrocities, and the Atheists now use those same exaggerations."


d66802 No.11624

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>>11623

>They recently opened up the Vatican and it turns out only 17 people were killed as witches by the Spanish Inquisition.

That's because all the rest were exonerated of witchdom by the fatal test.


6946f5 No.11625

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>>11623

>>11624

Actually the Spanish Inquisition didn't kill all that many people.. or even torture them.

Most recanted under the threat of torture.

The first step was showing people the instruments that would used against them.

(see pic)

This is the pear… Guess where it goes.

I'd praise Jesus left and right to avoid that thing.


9622b2 No.11630

>>11625

Good news, guys! The church actually didn't kill that many people!

They all converted willingly…under threat of torture and death.

Go church!


6946f5 No.11639

>>11630

Hey they saved those people's souls from eternal damnation with just a few peeled off finger nails. It's a bargain in the big picture.

(This is what the inquisition actually believed)


a4b805 No.12001

>the assertion, by certain Calvainists, that one's personal wealth is correlative to their likelihood of being saved

I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe you're mixing up Calvinists with prosperity theology, which is a pentecostal/charismatic thing.


80322d No.12004

>>11625

Do they not see the idiocy in representing a religion of "love and mercy" with torture? Or that someone can't truly believe unless they're convinced to believe?

I suspect they do but were just awful people that used religion as a guise to conquer and kill.


ac4151 No.12203

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Would you trade me your soul for some candy?

Its not like souls really exist and you will really go to hell. (But if you do, you can probably use the souls to buy a better place in hell.)


6946f5 No.12208

>>12004

You don't understand the mindset… They're right. God is on their side therefore anything they do is just.


dadf4c No.12264

>God is all-perfect and all-powerful

>but he made humans who are shit

>in fact, humans are so shit, their shittiness is stronger than God's omnipotence

If a christian's head doesn't explode from this, you can point out that this dynamic would be like an engineer building a shitty bridge and then blaming the bridge for being shitty. Or you could go the moral argument route and say it's like a parent (because God is supposed to be the father and whatnot) claiming they're perfect in every way and can do anything, but their kid is so horrible that even they can't do anything. Any reasonable person looking at an analogous situation where a real parent acted like God according to christians was abusive and fucking up their kids.


dadf4c No.12265

>God is all-perfect and all-powerful

>but he made humans who are shit

>in fact, humans are so shit, their shittiness is stronger than God's omnipotence

If a christian's head doesn't explode from this, you can point out that this dynamic would be like an engineer building a shitty bridge and then blaming the bridge for being shitty. Or you could go the moral argument route and say it's like a parent (because God is supposed to be the father and whatnot) claiming they're perfect in every way and can do anything, but their kid is so horrible that even they can't do anything. Any reasonable person looking at an analogous situation where a real parent acted like God according to christians was abusive and fucking up their kids.

>>12004

No, they really believed that shit (most did at least). There were definitely cynical people exploiting the religious, but a lot of it was just their actual beliefs.




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