/atheism/ - Atheism

>Though I also think: what if atheism was something that acknowledges God, but is more focussed on right facts about spirituality?

No atheism is by definition the opposite of acknowledging god. Not ever atheist uses reason to justify his disbelive. Some think religion feels wrong or just don't care.

Sorry but your post makes no sense.

People who don't believe in ghost don't acknowlege a ghost with their reasoning.

>>11687

I think these are all fakes or misinterpretations.

There is a concept of ghosts but no real ghosts or spirits. The mind is a property of the brain but can't exists without it.

There is no proof for ghosts but a lot of reasons they can't exist.

Atheism is considered to be about absolute reality. It would be bizarre if the truth is that those two would be too far apart

Have you ever personally or someone else you know that is 100% trustworthy investigated that sort of things?

>>11693

That is the exact reason why it would be better that atheism would acknowledge God and focus on correct facts about it then what it is now. The whole thing is enormous bizarre and misleading as it is now.

Theology does not do what you said. It does something else.As can be seen in the videos I posted in the OP post. That is one of the things that causes what you said.

>>11694

>That is the exact reason why it would be better that atheism would acknowledge God and focus on correct facts

There are no facts about god. Your whole idea looks like a trick to silence atheists.

I don't care a about the details of the delusion of christians.

I care about the problems they cause.

>>11695

–Theology is nicer than can be seen in those videos by my knowledge.

The problems it causes exactly. This is in larger parts caused by the opinions of the majority of movements and organisations that are about the subject.

To take atheism: pragmatism and reality is important in atheism. But there IS a spiritual world. And it is not up to atheism to decide who is what in this world.

If conclusions and opinions would be wrong everything would be bizarre, annoying and lack taste.

>>11694

Again, you talk about correctly describing god but there is no methodology in which to do so that doesn't come up blank. Theologians have tried for centuries and haven't been able to. It's all hot air.

Steven Anderson isn't really a theologian. He's talking to an audience where the assumption that the Christian god exists is dogma. Theologians do this too but they used to try and prove god's existence. Centuries of very smart men and the best and most enduring of their arguments is the Cosmological Argument. You can look up the weaknesses of this argument yourself. When you do keep in mind this is the very best one. That's why some of us don't believe.

>But there IS a spiritual world

You can't prove this.

>>11700

>You can't prove this.

That is why I asked before, have you or someone that can really be trusted investigated that sort of thing?

>>11701

You can look into whatever ghost haunting or whatever the fuck you want and see if there's something worthwhile there. I don't have the time personally.

I'll say that every proof for supernatural or spiritual things that I've seen presented has come up short. I don't have the desire to dedicate my life to uncovering the supernatural if there is any at all. So no I can't claim that with absolute certainty that a supernatural realm doesn't exist. I can claim that there's no good evidence however. Unless you have some. Which you don't.

>>11702

What have you seen about the subject?

>>11703

A lot. I've already mentioned Aquinas. I'm not going to go through every single "proof" I've ever come across. If you've got something to share then by all means. Otherwise I don't have the time.

Are there notable people in atheism most people read or watch?

>>11697

Proof? You can 't just claim something to be true because it's a cozy idea.

And please no hour long yt bullshit.

>>11708

Cool story bro.

You know people like to tell stories for alot of reasons.

If you actually research these ghost tales then you will often find out that even the characters didn't existed. Or there is no source for the quotes or they said it because they wanted attention or it was probably wishful thinking.

I found 3 million gold bars behind my house isn't proof that I'm a millionair now.

It's a claim. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary (good) proof.

Omen are just bad dreams. Almost all people have them. Some people tell them to others. Some of them die horribly. If the person is famous then you have a story.

It's a numbers game. Unlikely things can happen in large numbers.

Well, if there is proof that even the omen story is true. Are there personal letters with of this story?

Evidence is not the big problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgVnjJLarwk

>>11711

What is your exact source about

>If you actually research these ghost tales then you will often find out that even the characters didn't existed. Or there is no source for the quotes or they said it because they wanted attention or it was probably wishful thinking.

>>11714

What do you mean?

>>11712

You are very gullible.

>>11712

Millions of people visit this place every year. Of course some will have the unlikely luck to survive their illnesses. The

Other millions are just dead. It's like saying lottery is a great investment. Every week a new millionaire.

But what is the core thought in atheism? What are key atheist sites?

>>11723

>But what is the core thought in atheism?

The doubt in the existence of deities.

And only that.

But some also reject religion. Some are very pro-science materialists. Some are humanists. Some are spiritualists. Don't generalize.

>What are key atheist sites?

Dunno. Everyone has an own idea.

I watch some youtube videos for imput but don't like "communities" and moral authorities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfyoDgszas0

What would atheists consider good or bad in atheism?

>>11713

What would you consider good or bad if you are not believe in God?

Probably that.

I see it that way: people created gods that shared the things they considered to be good. Morals come from experience and our brains/genes. Anti-social behavior wasn't successful enough in early populations so we aren't needlessly violent or immoral.

>>11728

Woops

I refered to this guy >>11727

>>11728

That way of thinking has, I think, effects that confront with reality. So has being part of what is shown in the first post videos. One thing could be the culture of it.

>>11730

You are are not a native speaker, aren't you?

Can you please rephrase your sentence.

>>11731

What is it exactly with that sentence?

>>11730

>That way of thinking has, I think, effects that confront with reality.

I think I know what you mean but how?

>So has being part of what is shown in the first post videos.

Which video? And what is part of what?

One thing could be the culture of it.

???

>>11733

Some posts back this:

>>11695

>I don't care a about the details of the delusion of christians.

I care about the problems they cause.

A serious problem the status of spirituality causes is a handicap in the functioning of the majority of the people. Status of spirituality = what the organisations or movements that are about it basically state about it.

Anyone that can agree sufficiently and on the right matters in atheism and christiannity will probably be rid totally of that problem.

>>11734

I think he meant that you can get lost in details and they want that.

The christians argue about the nature of "flying pigs".

Are they invisible?

What do they want from us?

When will they help us?

Are we good in their eyes?

How should we live with "flying pigs"?

What do they think of our problems?

Is bacon a symbol of their suffering?

Can we be moral without them?

They pretend it's a science to study "flying pigs". Christian get angry if you ask "stupid questions" and you can't even tell the anwer to the questions above. You are not a pigsologist you can't talk about these topics. You have to study it first or else you are just ignorant.

>>11735

You are right some attitudes can not be taken. (And where can and about the same sort of thing). It's like a machine that keeps on stamping in a certain direction. And so do some other things.

>>11715

You figured out what's real and what isn't. It should be easy for you to find out right facts about spirit animals, flying pigs, meme magic, or whatever.

It's a lot said here in this thread in a small time frame.

>>11749

Could we talk on chat or something?

>>11768

So the story is basicly a guy who died had nightmares before his death.

Meh, doesn't sound like a proof.