/atheism/ - Atheism

>>11805

Good luck,, successfully planning a five or six hundred year long trip through an empty airless void.

and you need even more luck to finance it.

Who is going to send a few Trillion dollars worth of resources into the void never to be seen again?

>>11806

>implying we need to go anywhere once we're up there with the right tech

It's just a matter of developing regenerative artificial environments. Then we never have to set foot on dirt ever again.

And those technologies are in development and aren't physics defying in the slightest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MELiSSA

>>11812

Humans aren't restricted to the Earth?

Do you know about somewhere else capable of supporting life?

And look at the overblown language you're using.. calling the Earth a mere rock.. talking about space-faring as "the greatest liberation imaginable"

You sound like a believer praising the afterlife and cursing the material world.

Life on a interstellar space ship would be anything but carefree and luxurious.

You'd be in hostile lifeless void for decades maybe centuries.

Every resource would have to be strictly rationed and an accident or equipment failure would spell disaster because you are billions of miles from help or any means of resupply.

>>11816

I meant to type the problem is NOT living space.

Opps.

>>11823

Terraforming?

That's something else out a Sci-fi story.

I guess you could build millions of green houses on mars with the means to support some kind of plant life and then those plants would change the atmosphere.

Not sure this is going to work since Mars only has a third of Earth's gravity, and no magnetic field to protect it from cosmic rays but lets just say it will work.

Those plants will change the level of Oxygen in the atmosphere just like they did on Earth during the Precambrian.

But here's the catch.. that process will take eons.. it occurs in geological time.

You can run those greenhouse for longer than all of recorded history and not see any meaningful results.

And you space advocates always try to compare space travel with early ocean voyages..

Sure sailing to America from Europe in the olden times was hard.. But when they got to the New World, they could breathe the air, drink the water, and eat thing that grew there.

Your instellar colony ship not only has to bring everything to needs so survive it's centuries long trek across the void,, it has to bring everything it needs to start a colony too. Absolutely everything.. right down to the soil bacteria required to fix the nitrogen on the roots of their crops.

This is assuming the planet they are going to to can sustain life, but does not have it already.

If it has life on it already.. Then shit gets really complex because odds are none of it will be very useful to you, and if it's not toxic because it's chemically incapable to your system it's a incredibly dangerous disease vector that you have no immunity to at all.

>>11829

Cont,,,

So the people on Earth go to huge expense to outfit this colony ship,, and they'll never see a single benefit from it.

They'll just be able to pat themselves on the back and look up at the stars and be proud they sent so much precious resources into the void of space never to be seen again.

European colonialism was driven by profit motives. When Vasco da gama circumnavigated the globe his investors got a 500% return on their money.

European colonies and exploration was about finding trade routes and new products.. If Columbus had asked for money just sail off and never be seen again.. isabella and Ferdinand would have told him to fuck off.

>>11815

>Humans aren't restricted to the Earth?

Not if space habitats with regenerative artificial environments are developed.

>And look at the overblown language you're using.. calling the Earth a mere rock.. talking about space-faring as "the greatest liberation imaginable"

Because Earth is a mere rock floating in space and when we are no longer dependent of it we are liberated form it.

>You sound like a believer praising the afterlife and cursing the material world.

You sound like a dumb luddite praising the old ways, impeding progress. Someone incapable of dreaming and realizing potential, so you just see what is in front of you. You couldn't put thing together to make something.

>Life on a interstellar space ship would be anything but carefree and luxurious.

Depends on the level of automation.

> You'd be in hostile lifeless void for decades maybe centuries.

In a starship with everything I need and more.

>Every resource would have to be strictly rationed and an accident or equipment failure would spell disaster because you are billions of miles from help or any means of resupply.

Depends how many resources you have to start with and there would be redundancies and automated repair.

>>11816

>It's agricultural production.

Which is a symptom of overcrowding, we're reaching our carrying capacity at our consumption rate.

> And you aren't going to be exporting grain from your moon base.

Wouldn't need to, a space station would have its own farm.

>>11836

Here is that religious aspect of this antispace fixation.. I'm a "fundie" because I don't agree with you.. this just like a christard accusing me of being a child rapist because I don't love Jesus.

>I'm not a luddite. Technology is wonderful… I never spoke a word against Technology.

Yes you are, you realize at some point there were assholes like you saying planes are impossible only birds can fly, right? You are standing inthe way of progress the same way.

>You're exhibiting two traits of a religious mindset.. 1. those who disagree with you are demons.

Back at you.

>2. A blind faith that the future is going into unfold the way you believe it will because you believe it will.

Starwman. I'm just saying developing this tech is better than doing nothing.

>All the required technology will surely just be invented.. you don't know how but you believe it will.. You're waiting for it just like someone waiting for Jesus to come back.

A lot of it already has been invented, it just needs to be implemented, you ignorant dipshit.

>When I point out a problem.. you assure me it will just get fixed by the tech angels.

What like the ESA or NSA? You're an idiot.

>>11837

>There was never much practical things from astronomy..

>gives nothing

hahahaha

>>11838

Here comes another space cadet trope….

'People like you said that man would never fly"

This is not a fair analogy. Flight is possible. Birds do it. insect do it. Bats do it.. It occurs in nature.

Doing it was a matter of generating enough thrust for lift from a light enough engine.

Going faster than the speed of light requires us to beak the laws of physics. This would mean that the last century of physics is wrong..

"a lot of this tech has been invented?"

Really do you know who to build a self contained eco-system that can recycle CO2 back into Oxygen, recycle water, and continuous produce food for a few centuries.

Last I heard, the last attempt to create a self-contained biodome failed in less then two months because the oxygen levels crashed.

and you laughed at the idea astronomy never produced anything practical..

I like a giggle too, mate.

What's the joke?

What world changing thing did an astronomer discover that improved my life that I am unaware of.?

I guess I could make stretch and say Astronomy gave us Navigation and optics.. but what have they produced since the 1500's.

>>11858

Let's see…. This requires sacrifice with no reward in this life.

Kind of sounds like religion.

You just don't get how this will not work economically.

A self sustaining colony on another world is meaningless economically. It just gives you a big symbolic boner. But it does nothing for the people who create it. No products come back.

The list of shit that we need to build so you can have your off world colony keeps getting longer and longer,,, and there is no profits to be made for anyone doing the work along the way.

It's like building the intercontinental railroad.. except that no one can use it until it's finished. So we lay miles and miles of track, through deserts and forests,, we blast tunnels through mountains.. and then when it's finished a single train travels from New York to San Francisco and never comes back.

All that effort just to send some people away to never be seen again.

And like the religious you say I am like a child for not seeing the wisdom of this absurdity.

Space is the new fantasy land. We set all our new stories there.. but in reality the magic of space is no more valid than Gulliver's Travels.

As Atheists will need to divest ourselves of all pointless fantasy and face reality.

Santa isn't coming.

and neither is Captain Kirk.

>>11854

>And how can you not see the element of "faith" in this… Oh.. They'll fix it.

I thought skepticism was a trait of atheists.

What is a non-Atheist doing on this board?

> Hugos are sci-fi

Obviously, you're not aware of how often famous science-fiction has inspired people to create the real technological equivilants. Science fiction has made more useful predictions about the technology of the future than the bible.

I'm not going to be unnecessarilly pessimistic when I'm aware of how fast technology can develop. I've seen the Biosphere 2 in Arizona, which was basically a gigantic closed greenhouse where teams were to live for a year. It's an impressive structure, one of the first of its kind in scale, and an indication of what we could do on, say, the Moon. The problems it encountered will only provide a better roadmap for success for later endeavors. Solar power is getting cheaper and heat management systems are much more efficient than when it was built. We need to keep locking people in artificial bio-spheres on Earth until we find a formula for success.

We already have nuclear-powered Trident submarines traveling in isolation for months under the ocean, and with capabilities that put the dream ship of the last century (the Nautilus) to shame. Keep in mind submarines are only a hundred years old, and space travel has a lot of the problems we solved with submarines.

>>11859

>Let's see…. This requires sacrifice with no reward in this life.

>Kind of sounds like religion.

Cute, except you miss the fact that there is a reward: the end goal. The actual landing and setting up the colony and the further existence of the human race.

And then there's the fact of course all the rewards that come with helping with this process. The scientists and engineers working on how to go about this aren't doing this for charity, m8.

Your scope of knowledge on these things and ability to think are laughably simplistic. Is this you, statuefag?

>The list of shit that we need to build so you can have your off world colony keeps getting longer and longer,,, and there is no profits to be made for anyone doing the work along the way.

A whole lot of nothing meaningful said here because it's already been addressed. Let me give a synopsis.

You: Waaah waah waaaaah it's haaaaaard!

Everyone else: We know, boy. Life's hard.

>and there is no profits to be made for anyone doing the work along the way.

Elon Musk would like to have a word with you.

So how does it feel being so constantly wrong all this time? So far you've said nothing against space travel that actually makes the effort seem futile and in countering your positions, I've found even more reasons for it than I started with.

>>11854

>Hey you said you had the tech

I said we have parts of it. We've had bioreactors for ages now and several stages are developed or in development.

http://gravitationalandspacebiology.org/index.php/journal/article/view/487

>I pointed out how you don't have a key piece of the puzzle

No you dipshit you blathered on and on about FTL, while I pointed out it is bullshit and irrelevant and that we're developing regenerative artificial environments in fact it's the 2nd thing I mentioned in this thread way before you figured it out.

See: >>11807

Right after I said FTL was bullshit and irrelevant.

See: >>11805

>The tech does not exist.

Parts of it does, and the rest is in development. Read the paper. Oh wait you're probably don't even know what stead state means in engg and will be lost about what they're talking about like a creationist not understanding a book on fossils.

>I caught you in a lie.. and I'm the bad guy.

No, you're full of shit and playing this gotcha game. You're Steve Shives aren't you? You constantly ignored key things that I said, such as FTL being bullshit and unnecessary and insisted it matter after being proven wrong. You're not looking for a debate, you're just trying to beat your Luddite ideology over everyone's head like a christrad while calling us fundies. How fucking rich.

>Maybe it can be done. But you cannot do it now. That was my point.

Well sure as shit it can't be done with your cock-sucking defeatist attitude, which was my point.

>>11859

>worships money and profit

>thinks we're the religious ones

Hahahahahahahahaha

Now get the fuck out of this board and don't let the door hit you on your way back.

>>11860

Hugos award fiction..

C.S. Lewis's " The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe " got one in 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Novel

Should I start looking for magical lands in my closet? That's a feasible reality because it got a Hugo. There surely must be talking Christian allegorical Lion in my closet! It's Science.

>>11861

elon musk is building an amusement park ride for bored millionaires.. He's doing things that were cutting edge in the early sixties.. for the amusement of rich douche bags who want to say they went to space at cocktail parties.

And there's the space cadet word for Heretic… "Luddite".

I'm all for technology. Let's build robots that can think and feel. Lets make genetically altered giant spiders to get their silk which is stronger than steel. Let's genetically alter strawberries so they grow out of concrete and are the size of apples.. Let's make rabbits that eat toxic waste, shit gold and piss gasoline.

All of that is more realistic than going to another solar system and trying to set up shop.

Oh.. and I forgot genetically engineered cat girls for domestic ownership…also more feasible than traveling 1,500 light years.

>>11864

>Should I start looking for magical lands in my closet? That's a feasible reality because it got a Hugo.

>Comparing sci fi to fantasy

Not only do you fail science but also literature.

>elon musk is building an amusement park ride for bored millionaires..

Space X is developing various technologies that will be used in future missions to space. Not the least of which is the dragon capsule.

> He's doing things that were cutting edge in the early sixties.. for the amusement of rich douche bags who want to say they went to space at cocktail parties.

If only the rich can afford this luxury, chances are it's still cutting edge. And also it's worth noting that since the technologies and procedures Space X is developing is all new, yeah, it actually IS cutting edge.

So is space travel an economical? Apparently by your own admission yes since you've pointed out that millionaires are willing to big bucks to go to space even for a short while.

>And there's the space cadet word for Heretic… "Luddite".

I never used that term. Try keeping some consistency, son. Actually read what you're replying to.

>I'm all for technology. Let's build robots that can think and feel

But artificial intelligence is really really really hard!!!!

> Lets make genetically altered giant spiders to get their silk which is stronger than steel.

but genetic engineering is really really super duper hard we just can't do it!

>All of that is more realistic than going to another solar system and trying to set up shop.

So far there's literally nothing in the laws of physics that says a bunch of carbon based life forms can't get from one planet to another and form a colony there.

It's just, say it with me now, really difficult.

>Oh.. and I forgot genetically engineered cat girls for domestic ownership…also more feasible than traveling 1,500 light years

If we have the mindset you do about space travel with everything else, you won't get your cat girls. Thankfully the rest of humanity isn't so dense.

>>11866

No one has answered this question.

What benefit does a self sustaining colony in another solar system (or mars or wherever) give Earth?

There's so talk about the "surplus population" but the people we consider "surplus" are poor, and uneducated.

They are not astronaut material.

Basically,, it seems you're asking the rest of us to pay for you to skip out on the Malthusian Crisis.

The rich, the clever, and the lucky get to go to Elysium and be comfortable on public expense while the rest of us suffer.

And then there's that talk about a planet killing comet… maybe we should find way to detect and deflect such a comet instead of running away to some barren alien wasteland.

>>11869

As someone pointed out in this very thread: The Earth isn't going to be here forever. Figuring out how to colonize other worlds and perfect it is inevitably going to be necessary.

>There's so talk about the "surplus population" but the people we consider "surplus" are poor, and uneducated.

Yes, we're going to send over uneducated dunces rather than the best and brightest because of what most people think of when they hear "surplus." A+ logic.

>The rich, the clever, and the lucky get to go to Elysium and be comfortable on public expense while the rest of us suffer.

The rich, clever, and lucky already live well here. Why would off world colonies be any different? Do you know what goes on in Wall Street, Morty?

I don't see you toppling all of capitalism and modern day society over that fact. But considering in the long run the only other option is the death of the entire species…

>>11870

>Advancements in technology, whoop de do

Don't be mad just because people are able to provide examples that go against your position.

>>11869

>What benefit does a self sustaining colony in another solar system (or mars or wherever) give Earth?

That people on Earth can use this technology to free themselves from this rock. Being able to move around in space and not restricted to one planet is beneficial for the simple fact that your livelihood isn't stuck to one planet or habitat system.

But you ignored that, just like you ignore everything in this thread that highlights what a small-minded position you have on this matter.

Also I find it funny that you bring up scifi after giving that anon such a hard time about it. Now pic related.

>>11873

Oh noes.. we must build outposts to defend againt aliums..

This religion has demons now.

>>11878

If you don't believe aliens exist in the whole universe, you're as blind as a Theist or sheltered conservative. Rosswell, New Mexico is covered with evidence of their existence. They run the shops, scrub the UFO museum to remove the evidence of visitors, and speak Spanish. You can't disprove that I haven't seen aliens in Roswell.

>>11880

Funny Post.

Sure Aliens are possible. Maybe Ghosts are possible too.

But there is no evidence that they exist let alone have some hostile intent against humanity that requires us to build deep space outposts.

Asking people to fund deep space outposts to watch for hostile aliens is almost like a Shaman asking for offerings to feed hungry ghosts.

We don't have solid proof of as much as a microbes. (and I reckon alien microbes are a lot more likely and more credible threat to humanity than super advanced aliens)

>>11875

I got some bad new for you, sunshine.

Humanity is restricted to Earth. We evolved here.

There is no where else in the solar system that can support humanity.

And no one is leaving the solar system because you cannot even approach the speed of light.

and even if you could go the speed of light it would still take you over four hundred years to get to an Earthlike world.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/06/earth-like-planet-alien-life-kepler-438b

But just keep repeating that mantra

"We must free ourselves from this rock. We must not be limited to Earth"

Maybe you could get a string of beads to finger while you repeat your mantra over and over again.

That will surely change the laws of physics.

(Not like a Religion at all)

And I'm so small minded not believe in this..

"Oh yea of little faith"

>>11884

>"there will be no more economy. there will be no more capitalism. nothing will "cost" anything"

and here we have a utopian vision… another trait similar to a religion. "We will build the city of God".

maybe we should find way to detect and deflect such a comet instead of running away to some barren alien wasteland

you are just mad that you are not going to be on the ark when we evacuate

And here is still another religious like feature of this mindset.

The chosen will saved, and the unbelievers will perish. How is this retort, any different from a believer telling me I'll be sorry when I go to Hell?

This is not a religion. (at least not yet) but it has many features of one.

>>11883

You don't need a planet if you have a regenerative artificial environment, you idiot. It's not a matter of changing laws of physics. See: >>11862

Oh but yeah ignore contradicting evidence like a christcuck.

Hi Everybody.

O.P here. Hasn't this thread been fun?

I've reviewed it, and I'd like to condense it in to a few observations.

*ahem*

The Religious aspects of Space Fixation.

1. It has an article of Faith.

"Humanity must go to the stars"

Why does this have to happen? Why can't mankind manage Earth wisely and live in peace and prosperity.

2. There is a belief in a fore-ordained future. Interstellar space travel WILL happen. This belief has celebrated prophets like Jules Verne.

Sure Verne "predicted" the moon landing.. It doesn't matter he got all the details wrong. His astronauts are shot out of giant cannon for starters.

But just like the Christians claim Jesus was foretold by the old testament and fulfilled the prophecies of Isaiah,, all the glaring mistakes are overlooked.

3. There is a belief in miracles. Technology will save us from everything.. (even death.. according to the transhumanists) It doesn't matter that current science says these things are impossible. Einstein's theories will surely be overturned.

4. There is a Utopian Vision.

Technology will bring us post-scarcity.

Space colonies will be free from poverty, crime, disease, and all the sins of mankind.

5. There is contempt for the non-believer in this glorious vision. The Religious always despise the heretic or the infidel and ascribe the worst possible traits to them.

If I doubt the possibility of melting the core of the planet mars (which in theory would give it a magnetic field to shield it from cosmic rays) I called a "Luddite"

This term is used because the rejection of technology is the greatest sin in this faith.

This is similar to Christians calling atheists homosexuals or agents of Satan or whatever.

6. This space fixation shows a contempt for the world as it is.. "We are trapped on this miserable rock and need the glorious freedom of space"

This is similar to the mystics contempt for the material world and his longing for the wonders of the afterlife.

In both cases,, the belief is absurd when looked at objectively

. Death is not preferable to life. There is no cosmic journey only decay.

And Space doesn't offer us freedom. Most of the universe is an empty lifeless void. You will not find freedom there anymore than the mystic will find paradise in the grave.

7. The people with least knowledge about this are the most adamant believers.

Just like so many devote religious people don't know their own holy scriptures the most fanatic believers in space don't know science.

People in this thread keep saying that Terraforming is possible but cannot produce a link from a real scientist saying it is feasible.

People who don't know quantum physics keep saying it has the potential to make our dreams realty.

People have earnestly proposed teleportation.

Is there any real scientist saying teleportation is possible?

It's very similar to less then well read religious types taking bible passages out of context.

That's what I got so far. If anyone his any thing to add. please do.

Thanks to everyone who participated so far,

>>11890

Do you know when the sun is predicted to expand and engulf the planet of the inner solar system?

It's supposed to do that a Billion Years from now. This really isn't a pressing concern at the moment.

Mammals haven't even existed on Earth for a Billion years.

Continental Drift is more looming threat then the Sun expanding into a Red Giant.

In 40 million years or whatever the coast of California will touch China… Holy Shit!. we'll have communist china on our border in 40 Million years.. better do something.

And can we be certain that this theory is even correct.. Perhaps we're wrong about the lifetimes of stars.

or maybe a Billion years in future,, humanity will be sterile race of genetically engineered cyborgs after a life span of a million years we'll welcome death.

>>11889

>It has an article of Faith.

>"Humanity must go to the stars"

That's not an article of faith, that is a goal.

>Why does this have to happen? Why can't mankind manage Earth wisely and live in peace and prosperity.

It doesn't but we'd be severely restricting ourselves.

> There is a belief in a fore-ordained future. Interstellar space travel WILL happen. This belief has celebrated prophets like Jules Verne.

It probably won't and doesn't have to for space colonization, but you ignored that.

>There is a belief in miracles. Technology will save us from everything.. (even death.. according to the transhumanists) It doesn't matter that current science says these things are impossible. Einstein's theories will surely be overturned.

The laws of physics don't need to be overturned to halt the aging process, several species are already negligibly senescent. Also there is debate over whether it is possible or not to this day, here is a biomedical researcher who specifically studies aging who does think it is possible:

http://www.senescence.info/

>There is a Utopian Vision.

>Technology will bring us post-scarcity.

Again I never suggested that. Post-scarcity is impossible.

>Space colonies will be free from poverty, crime, disease, and all the sins of mankind.

A space colony of 1 would be free from poverty and crime.

>If I doubt the possibility of melting the core of the planet mars (which in theory would give it a magnetic field to shield it from cosmic rays) I called a "Luddite"

You got called a Luddite because you deny evidence that shows how viable regenerative artificial environment are.

>This term is used because the rejection of technology is the greatest sin in this faith.

Keep trying to justify your Amish ways, you have faith that space cannot be colonized. You have asserted that without evidence throughout this thread and been shown to be wrong so you resort to cheap strawmen and name-calling after being beaten up repeatedly.

>This space fixation shows a contempt for the world as it is.. "We are trapped on this miserable rock and need the glorious freedom of space"

So trying to make your life better is wrong according to your Amish ways? Gotcha.

>This is similar to the mystics contempt for the material world and his longing for the wonders of the afterlife.

Except there is nothing about an afterlife. Just people trying to improve their lives irl.

>And Space doesn't offer us freedom. Most of the universe is an empty lifeless void. You will not find freedom there anymore than the mystic will find paradise in the grave.

Having a spaceship is freedom as it lifts the restriction of being stuck on this rock. By defitnion that is freedom, ie lack of restriction.

>7. The people with least knowledge about this are the most adamant believers.

Pftt hahaha, projection. You have repeatedly demonstrated you know jack shit about anything as explained throughout the thread and summarized here: >>11862

>People in this thread keep saying that Terraforming is possible but cannot produce a link from a real scientist saying it is feasible.

I never did.

>People who don't know quantum physics keep saying it has the potential to make our dreams realty.

Hahahaha, you probably don't even know what Planck length is.

>People have earnestly proposed teleportation.

Because its been done, however I wouldn't say its possible on a human, not without killing the person's consciousness anyway.

http://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view_group.php?id=2862

>Is there any real scientist saying teleportation is possible?

Just further showing your ignorance on this matter.

Keep being a cock gobbling moron who dismisses everything that shows your opinion of this matter is small-minded, OP. I know you'll just ignore everything I posted like you did throughout this thread to keep your faith that we'll be stuck on this rock.

>>11894

How is humanity "severely restricted" by life on Earth?

I think living in a space the size of garden shed, drinking my own recycled urine, eating algae chips and not being to go outside without several pounds of protective gear would be "restrictive". Isn't that what life in a mars colony offers?

Supposedly E;on Musk will sell me a one way ticket to this nightmare for a few hundred thousand dollars.

>>11889

>1. It has an article of Faith.

>"Humanity must go to the stars"

Setting up a goal is an article of faith, got it.

By those standards, every single human endeavor would more or less be a religion. We must work to treat the environment better! We must provide the populace with better education!

>Why does this have to happen?

Cause the Earth ain't fucking forever just as people have told you earlier in this thread.

Sorry, but God's not going to come down and stop the Sun from expanding.

>2. There is a belief in a fore-ordained future.

Considering the other option: the death of the entire species, anyone who prefers the idea of mankind surviving will have to chose space travel.

However, you seem to mistake people predicting things based on current events with prophesy. Here's some facts.

Fact: Humans are aware of the concept of interstellar space travel and have a desire to colonize other words.

Fact: Technology has been and is currently being developed for the sole purpose of allowing humans to live in space.

Fact: There are various plans already for colonizing Mars but currently lack money, people, resources, technology, etc.

With this in mind, it seems likely that humanity will eventually attempt to colonize other worlds. That is unless the other anon's plans of a completely autonomous system works out first.

>This belief has celebrated prophets like Jules Verne.

Considering he already predicted the submarine, moon landing, etc he does have a better track record than literally every religious prophet ever but you seem to be missing out on literally every bit of work actual scientists have done concerning this and related subjects.

Apparently the last half century of space travel which runs into the problem of "how to we send people to space and not kill them" flew right over your head.

> It doesn't matter he got all the details wrong.

Launching from Florida, the trip taking 3 days, etc. It's a good thing no proponents of space colonization literally think him to be a prophet unlike this strawman you're trying to erect here.

>3. There is a belief in miracles. Technology will save us from everything..

Technology so far is our best option or do you still put stock into praying to God for your troubles to disappear, OP?

>(even death.. according to the transhumanists)

Have you read literally anything they've said about the subject? Or any of the work actually being done with linking the mind to technology.

>It doesn't matter that current science says these things are impossible. Einstein's theories will surely be overturned.

Nothing in modern science, including Einstein's theories, contradict the proposal to end death. You however get your information from science fiction rather than actually reading up on the subject so I wouldn't be surprised if you thought it meant just really really old human bodies walking around.

>4. There is a Utopian Vision.

>Technology will bring us post-scarcity.

This isn't even an idea shared by every proponent of space colonization. Shit there's people who are willing to cap the idea at roughing it on Mars.

>5. There is contempt for the non-believer in this glorious vision.

No one likes people saying something's scientifically impossible when there's legit nothing in science contradicting it. It's like listening to a creationist talk about the eye.

>If I doubt the possibility of melting the core of the planet mars

No one brought this up in this thread.

> I called a "Luddite

>This term is used because the rejection of technology is the greatest sin in this faith

It's used because you've acted like a stubborn child this entire thread. You act like you're afraid of technological progress and thus would declare things impossible.

>6. This space fixation shows a contempt for the world as it is.. "We are trapped on this miserable rock and need the glorious freedom of space"

Sorry OP, but the world isn't some magical God given wonderland like you think.

>7. The people with least knowledge about this are the most adamant believer

There's people with far more knowledge on the subject than you or I who are for it.

Or would you then try to say I'm following prophets again?

>>11900

I explained this to you already. But apparently your hippocampus is severely damaged.

If the only places we can travel to are on Earth then we're restricted to Earth. With technology that enables us to be outside of earth we're no longer restricted to Earth.

>I think living in a space the size of garden shed

You'd have Earth plus that space. Thus the size of space you can be in is less restricted by definition. QED

>drinking my own recycled urine

You already do that, no only your own but that of other animals including other humans.

> eating algae chips

They're tasty as fuck.

>not being to go outside without several pounds of protective gear would be "restrictive"

Again now you'd have another place you could set foot on, thus less restrictions to where you can be. For someone who calls others religious you fail at basic logic. Because you're religious about your Amish ways, anyone who wants to lift themselves from the dirt is a heretic to you. "God put us on this Earth and here is where we're meant to be. Wanting to go elsewhere is the devil's work." That's you, faggot.

>Isn't that what life in a mars colony offers?

I'm not arguing for a colony of Mars, dingus. I repeatedly said I do not care for terrestrial environments but artificial environments.

>Supposedly E;on Musk will sell me a one way ticket to this nightmare for a few hundred thousand dollars.

To each their own, one man's dream is another man's nightmare. I'd love to escape from this rock and live by myself in a small frigate amongst that void. With a regenerative artificial environment providing the gases and nutrients I need to stay alive and a medbot to take care of me when sick, I'd have everything I'd need. No longer would I be chained down to the rules of others. But hey dream of being a wagecuck for eternity. You worship that money anyway.

Anyway this will be my last post itt since I have exams coming up.

>>11920

Interesting… here's that religious like disdain for a naysayer.. but ironically you accuse me of believing in God for doubting you..

The believer ascribing the worst trait he can to the non-believer… and since this is an Atheist board and were all' atheists.. I must believe in the sky wizard because I'm the dissenting opinion and must be demonized for questioning your righteous space mission.

How is this not like a religion?

A few more questions…

What project has NASA done that involved generations of people working towards a goal?

NASA was founded in 1958.

I doubt they have ever had a project that didn't achieve it's goal inside of a few years, or just one person's career.

There is no reason to think NASA could run a terraforming project that would go on for thousands of years.

There's no reason to think the United States government will even be in existence 500 years from.. judging from the historical track record of republics.

Who funds NASA then?

and about that key word "current".. what makes you think current human nature is going to change?

Most of the high tech dreams rest on us getting to post-scarcity economics.. then nothing costs money and we can just build massive space ships and send them off into the void never to be seen again.

But post-scarcity economics is impossible for two reasons.

1. Resources are finite. You cannot have infinite cheese burgers because there is a finite number of cows and finite amount of grass to graze them on.

But lets say you find a way to cheat the limited good..(which you won't)

2. Market pressures will not permit post-scarcity economics because scarcity creates value.

Here's an example… Let's say you grow pumpkins for some extra cash. Every fall you sell pumpkins for Halloween..

Your neighbors start growing pumpkins.. everyone grows pumpkins in their backyard.

Come next Halloween, there are so many fucking pumpkins you can't give them away.

Since there is no money in it.. you don't take your pumpkins to market and leave them in your garden to rot. Next spring.. you don't plant pumpkins.

and so the market corrects itself.

When the profit drops too low producers stop producing.

post-scarcity will not happen because it is against the self-interest of whoever controls the means of production.

>>11928

Kill yourself. You'll die anyway, why bother living at all? Why fight cancer if you have it or heart disease? Why fight to live another day? Honestly you're such a cock sucking faggot you'd be doing all of us a favor. You constantly ignore everything we say and proceed to gibber. Everyone who doesn't share your myopic view of giving up like a pansy is a heretic. Well just go kill yourself.

C'mon, faggot. You've accepted death so do it.

>>11928

Here's a few tips to help you get to your end goal.

>>11932

>>11928

>live the best life you can

>by letting yourself die, never striving to live another day or improving your circumstances

Obvious contradiction. Unless you're part of a death cult then that is exactly the best life. Hahahaha, you're a money-worshiping, cock-sucking death cultist.

Now an hero, faggot.

OP is a death cultist.

"God put us on this Earth to live and die. That's how god wanted it. He made it impossible to live another day. When you have cancer or heart disease just pray, don't look to medicine for assistance. That's the devil's work and never helped anyone. Just let yourself die. Medicine cannot advance even though the evidence shows its advancing each day, but ignore that. Just have faith in death. Don't be afraid of death. Just accept death."

OP is so fucking cucked in the head. Literally sounds like the kind of guy who would let his gf (if he can get one) get fucked by other men. Fuck he'd let himself just die like that so why would anything bother him. I could fuck is mom right in front of him and he wouldn't care.

What a sad sack of shit you are OP. Just kill yourself. Even your mom would be happy. She doesn't need some defeatist shit stain telling her to sit back and die.

>>11930

>>11931

>>11932

Wow.. You're reacting like the Christians when I tell them they don't have soul and will die. "

If I don't get to immortal in heaven,, I may as well shoot myself"

Just because you know you're going to die, doesn't mean you give up and go drink antifreeze.

Just because something ends does not mean it doesn't have value..

Sure you fight against death,, but at the same time you know you must lose.

So it goes with humanity.

We escape our sun expanding… Guess what the universe itself dies in a trillion years with "heat death".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

Sooner or later,, Humanity ends.

I cannot predict what will happen to our species but I can tell you what will happen to most of you.

Most of you will give in to death. You'll be old. You'll be sick. You'll be in lot of pain and it won't be worth fighting to live anymore.

If you cannot accept this. You are a shit excuse for atheist who will go running to the clergy when your doctor gives you your terminal diagnosis.

Man up and face oblivion.

>>11945

This faggot will go running to the clergy and tearfully confess all the times he fapped to Furry porn.

Because if his life ends….it won't mean anything.

>>11940

What's that you're full of shit? Oh right death for thee not for me.

>Wow.. You're reacting like the Christians when I tell them they don't have soul and will die. "

You're talking about the end of people's existence, you moronic cunt. What is so fucking wrong about Christards wanting to live on? Anyone wnating to live on? Here you're dumber than even a fucking christcuck. They realize how important their survival is. You clearly have no value for it if you just let it end. Your actions speak louder than your words, death cultists. You worship this death and end. So have it.

Where Christians are wrong is that they think they can be born again, and in another life of all things And other bullshit. We don't know what are the limits of human life. We just know given today's medicine which is still developing. Notice how medicine is one of those things that set us apart form other species.

>If I don't get to immortal in heaven,, I may as well shoot myself"

I'm saying I want to fight to live an extra day. you hippocampally-impaired retard.

>Just because you know you're going to die, doesn't mean you give up and go drink antifreeze.

You and people like you may as well may as well.

>Just because something ends does not mean it doesn't have value..

The measure of value is how much you want to keep it. This is what you don't get. You don't value life, death cultist.

>So it goes with humanity.

There are things unique to species and as said about medicine and bioengg.

>Guess what the universe itself dies in a trillion years with "heat death".

Ok I'd like to live to that then die. Maybe even try to see if there is something that can be done. Though energy being spread thin over the universe would be it. But hey I'd live till then. Since I value my life unlike you.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

One of the possibilities, the seemingly most likely.

>Sooner or later,, Humanity ends.

And if we value you it we'll try to keep it going till the very end.

>I cannot predict what will happen to our species but I can tell you what will happen to most of you.

Well stop acting like it. And worse telling us to give up like you.

>You are a shit excuse for atheist who will go running to the clergy when your doctor gives you your terminal diagnosis.

Nah, you're just a shit excuse of a living thing. An absolute Darwinian failure.

>Man up and fight to live another day

ftfy, cucktard

>>11947

Go die, you sad excuse for a living thing.

>>11948

Another coward who go beg the clergy for eternal life from Jesus the moment he gets sick.

I didn't say we give up. I didn't say we don't fight.

I did not say we will go quietly into the night.

But we are still going to die.

If you cannot face that.. go join a church and lie to yourself.

Fucking coward.

>>11950

>>11949

We'll both die.

But I'll face it straight on.

You'll cry and whimper and beg and then sign over your house to some preacher who promises you it's not really the end.

but you'll still rot.

Everything ends. Even Humanity.

Everything ends even your precious feels.

>>11953

>>11953

You'll die first though. Because you'll just give up at the first sign of trouble. Because you're a little wimp faggot with no balls who will end up getting cucked one day if a girl gives a little wimp like you even the time of day.

>>11955

why is acknowledging the inescapable reality of death weak?

Sure.. when I'm terminally ill.. I'll opt out. fuck it.

Why should I spend a few extra months in pain, just to die all the same?

But you.. Oh you're going to cry and beg,, and buy magic crystals from depok chopra,, and then finally go to the clergy and ask the sky wizard for an afterlife.

and worst all,,you think that's a noble fighting spirit.

because you didn't give up hope, that you.. precious marvelous wonderful you could cease to be.

Grow up. The universe existed for an eternity without your bullshit and will gone for an eternity after you're gone.

If you cannot grasp this.. you don't deserve to call yourself an atheist.

>>11957

>wants to die like a little bitch instead of fighting till the very end

Yup sad excuse of a living thing.

Just before I go.

>>11957

>medical procedures

>magic crystals from depok chopra

>>11928

>Entire thread where people are aware that these events will likely occur long after they're dead

>Insist it's because they're afraid of death.

Sorry boy, but no one here believes in an afterlife so we get to dream of bigger and better things than sitting with our thumbs in our asses ranting about how interstellar travel is impossible.

>Just because you know you're going to die, doesn't mean you give up and go drink antifreeze

You were just arguing against interstellar travel as a means to keep the species alive and now you've done a complete 180.

Aren't you that same cuck who argued against the idea that technology would be able to circumvent death in another thread?

>>11946

200 years ago you would be the Luddite telling people to stop experimenting with gas balloons, ''cas humans flying is never gonna work." Any steps towards a collectively unifying dream are admirable. Space travel offers a chance at peace we will never find on Earth. It will offer resources that might make war obsolete and a detestable waste of time.

I pity the restless explorers who have no new oceans to sail and continents to map these days. In another era they would be respected heroes, but in this era they're simply lost souls. Opening the frontier again will raise all forms of art and science.

>>11963

I think you are failing to grasp the distances between planets and stars and such.

The universe is infinite so therefore the resources are infinite.. but the distances between those resources are also infinite.

It's like taking the crumbs from a single cracker and scattering them across a football field.

You will expend more resources getting to those deep space resources than they are actually worth. (diminishing returns)

Here's a short article to help you grasp this admittedly unwelcome concept.

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/

>>11965

>>11804

I noticed a lot of hostility towards the Amish in this thread.

Did you guys get bullied by an Amish kid in junior high or something?

>>11972

>distances between those resources are also infinite.

>>11973

>baww stop criticizing muh backward ways baww

>>11980

That article talks about the difficulty of colonizing distant planets. Forgets that colonizing space can mean colonizing the space around Earth, like we've been doing with satellites this entire time.

>Here's another article for you to ignore.

LOL, that's rich coming from the guy who ignored everything I've said thought this thread. Eat a bag of dicks, faggot.

>>11978

Don't make the Amish angry, anon..

They'll… they'll.. Okay they're pacifists and aren't going to anything.

and that makes it even ruder.

>>11983

>baww stop criticizing muh backward emasculated ways baww

Yes.. the distances between those resources is nearly infinite.

"The closest star to the Sun, in this model, is about a million kilometers distant: 2.5 times farther than the actual Earth-Moon distance. On a separate model scale—compressed 17,000 times compared to our previous model scale—the density of stars in the local Milky Way (one star per 100 cubic light years) is analogous to grains of sand 50 km apart! Can you imagine this? Mostly empty, empty space, folks."

http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/why-not-space/

I understand this is tough concept to grasp.. trying to visualize the much nothing makes one's head hurt.

And we've all grown up with Sci-Fi fantasy vision of space travel where solar systems are just a hop skip and a jump away with such short travel times you don't even have to take turns dodging space rocks with your wookie B.F.F.

But the reality is that outer space is lots and lot of nothing with tiny bit of matter sprinkled in and those tiny bits of matter are insanely far apart.

>>11987

>earth to moon

>infinite distance

according to cock sucking amish cuck

>>11987

>Sun to Alpha Centauri

>infinite distance

>>11984

I like you, aon,, You're fun.

But do you have anything other just that one spanking gif?

An image board needs a variety of images to keep from getting boring.

>>11987

And

>cuck wars

no wonder you have such a warped view of what most people mean when they talk about colonizing space. I said it from the get go, FTL is bullshit, terraforming is bullshit, essentially anything that isn't space stations around earth with regenerative artificial environments are bullshit.

But hey keep on starwmanning. You never addressed my arguments.

And I'm off to class.

>>11989

O.P. here

>>11991

>"FTL is bullshit, terraforming is bullshit, essentially anything that isn't space stations around earth with regenerative artificial environments are bullshit."

I agree with guy.. but 90% of the people out there.. (not people in these thread) but people out there,,,

Those space fans would rage at you until they shit their pants for saying that.

Space stories attract a fringe element.. Those people who think an oddly shaped rock with some weird shadows is proof a lost ancient mars civilization,, or think a star with a bunch of stuff in orbit is Dyson swarm..

Those are the people who most might the Space Cadet as religion concept that I described.

And you know those people exist.

>>11992

Ok then. If you just clarified on what you meant earlier. I agree with what you said there 100%.

I can't stand those people either because they are walking strawmen for what real space colonization could be, namely space stations around earth maybe a small closed settlement on Mars (big maybe). They fantasize about breaking the laws of physics and stuff so fucking imaginary anyone who is rational and isn't really into space goes "ugh retarded space cadets". So yeah those people do exist and are a fucking nuisance because of how religious they are about their shit. But there are a lot of futuristic aerospace technologies in development right now that these idiots cannot begin to grasp because they got their physics "understanding" from Michio Cuckoo.

And pic as requested.

>>12005

shucks.. it's over..

It was fun.. and pointless.. but fun.

Thanks kids.

Hope nobody was too triggered.

What's next?

>>11804

You know religion can be pretty useful for colonizing stuff. The Pilgrims, the Mormons, and hippy communes all settled new lands. You just have to have a cohesive group with drastically different beliefs.