/atheism/ - Atheism

also I apologize if this shit sounds incoherant, im a bit tired and I'll explain further if needed.

>>12081

That's kind of how I feel. Chans used to seem more about "lulz", now it's so much political us vs them bullshit. The internet is rarely a place for moderate, balanced views just like how most of the popular personalities on both ends of any ideology tend to be hyperbolic as emotion and drama are like candy to most people, they can't get enough of it. I think most people tend to be smarter than what they're typically given credit for but their dramatic nature tends to over-ride their reasoning faculties.

But yeah, in my few circles on the internet, I see more rabid vitriol from anti-SJWs than SJWs. I'm not in school anymore so maybe I'm missing something offensive that I should be offended by. Maybe it's something happening in schools these days with the kids, maybe it's the people that grew up on chans getting older and needing to find something to be offended about now because they visited tumblr one time, I don't know. They're offended and they just have to let the world know it and in doing so become the monster they fight, the one that just has to annoy others because they're annoyed. They go on about how they can't speak freely because of SJWs yet plaster the internet to let them know just how they can't. They've become SJWs in their quest to fight them. As I said, I don't go on tumblr and since I do construction, I don't deal with women at work so haven't met any rabid feminists that I know of. But I guess because of feminists I'm supposed to not have free speech, have my wages lowered, or something or other, whatever is the fashion cause of the week.

>>12081

I agree with you. I don't get why some people have to join a cicle jerk mob. If you have a slightly different opinion then you are a "white knight" or a "shill" or use false flag tactics. I even agree with 80% of the anti-sjw stuff but this never ending rage and the lack of self-reflection is alienating to me.

As an atheist I don't feel the need to bash christians all the time. They are for the most part good people. I can't remember I had ever a really bad experience with them. I try to understand their motives and don't bring up "there is no god" just to annoy them. But I expect the same from them.

SJW are a PLAGUE!

>>12095

This reminds me of christians but they don't receive the hate because it's politically incorrect to criticize them. If you do they try to use their supposed moral highground and community to witch hunt.

That said, I'm not really offended by christians or SJWs. I think I do pretty well with logical argument so there's rarely times where I feel I need to grab a gang of people on the internet and tell them we should hate on this group. I fend for myself pretty well and not offended easily.

>>12095

>Notice how there are only so many places this can be discussed.

No, haven't noticed. Just below you posted a youtube video of a guy saying how his speech is oppressed by SJWs while using speech while trying to reply to me about how speech is repressed. That's just what I was talking about above. Where are these places where you guys are meeting all these feminists and getting oppressed and offended? The few times I've seen it it's just screenshots that anyone can doctor of accounts that could be faked just so drama queens can have a reason to be offended. Do you have links to any real SJWs or feminists? I'm apparently in the right corners of the internet because it's something I've rarely seen. Any time I have analogous ideas on reddit, I just type it out and rarely does it seem to offend women. Sometimes I've said things feminists, blacks, whites and all manner of people may not like. I mean if I'm downvoted, so what? On chans, if people disagree I argue back or deal with it. I don't get why there's such a threat.

Better yet, give me a link where these people actually are actually a threat to law. I don't feel like I need to be offended at the moment but if you anti-SJWs feel I should be offended, I'll try to. I'm just not someone that wastes my dramaqueen need-to-be-offended moments for small bullshit though so it better be good.

>>12104

>Just below you posted a youtube video of a guy saying how his speech is oppressed by SJWs while using speech while trying to reply to me about how speech is repressed.

His shit is taken down all the time and he has to fight to get it back up.

https://twitter.com/tellahasa/status/550359443213668354

>Do you have links to any real SJWs or feminists?

http://time.com/4049106/un-cyber-violence-physical-violence/

And see the wikileaks twitterfeed screencaps for more details.

>Better yet, give me a link where these people actually are actually a threat to law.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech

>>12096

There is always a fence-sitting group. And another group behind them feeling superior.

It's a false dichotomy to say that you have to be on side A or B. Sometimes both sides are wrong and sometimes both sides are right to some degree.

>>12107

Well if the case is that one is on neither side then they should behave that way instead of clearly defending a side. It's like those atheists who are apologetic to Islam. Their actions are on the side of Islam even though they may think they're on the fence.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/25/u-n-womens-group-calls-for-web-censorship/

Yeah I know it's Breitbart/Milo but it's a good article on the topic.

>>12108

You are forcing black and white thinking. You can defend for example catholicism if someone is wrong about them.

A: Most priest are gay pedophiles.

B: The number of pedophile related abuse isn't higher in the catholic church isn't higher than in in any other group where adults have to oversee kids. The problem is that the church tried to hide it.

You can refute aguments that are wrong and don't be a catholic apologist.

>>12106

Ok, I'm 2/10 offended but there's nothing that's made it into law. And I'm sure if I tried, I could find men trying to shut down the voice of women also because they're found offensive. I don't get why there's so much of a crusade against women who say things that are offensive and not a crusade against everyone who says things that are offensive.

Shit, I guess I'm just too busy these days but unless you mess with me physically, I don't get butthurt too easily. Seems like everyone is just tightening their panties so they can find an excuse to be offended or feel persecuted in some way. It's basically victim or persecution porn, a form of Muchhausen where people get off on being offended and the other party gets off on being offended by others being offended. A self-feeding human centipede of shit.

>>12112

Well debunking myths is not the same as actively trying to defend the church. Debunking myths is a way of protecting your argument against strawmen.

>>12110

>Here's something else of someone being offended that's offending me so you be offended too.

Can we stop this pity party by now?

>>12113

The problem is things can make their way into law if we're not vigilant. Don't hate us for keeping an eye out for these things, man.

>>12115

Dude, it's not a matter of offense. This isn't a problem because I'm offended by it. It's a problem because it's a push to limit speech.

>>12110

>click bait nutcase opinion

>but it's serial!!!

>>12117

>click bait nutcase opinion

SJWism in a nutshell.

>>12118

The writer of that article maybe not sjw but he knows people will click and share it more than real news. And he was right.

>>12119

Still pointing out what a leading SJWs in Scandinavia actually said. SJWs are genuinely trying to ban criticism. Don't just dismiss this as rantings of a nutjob, these nutjobs actually have a lot of sway. I wish everyone dismissed these nutcases but that's not what the mainstream is doing. As I said we need to keep an eye out for this shit. Nutjobs often get into places of power.

Look Anita and company made it to the UN to push this shit.

>>12122

SJWs and religionfags are cultists who don't want their faith-based beliefs criticized.

It is not just a small minority OP that blogs on tumblr and twitter.

That's the whole fucking point. What scholar C.Hoffmann-Sommers calls gender feminism(as opposed to equity feminism) is currently the dominant force in most feminist organizations and feminist academia.

The golden mean is sometimes just a fallacy.

>>12127

> C.Hoffmann-Sommers

Great example of SJW trying to ban opinions they don't like:

https://www.thefire.org/christina-hoff-sommers-lecture-leads-to-trigger-warnings-and-safe-spaces-at-oberlin-and-georgetown/

They have great articles on all the censorship and attempts at censorship SJWs pulled over the years on campuses across America:

https://www.thefire.org/?s=censorship

>>12081

The problem is that ASJW try insert their paranoia into almost every thread. All video games or movies are infested with sjw boogeyman and they have to warn us.

Maybe it's the other way around on other places on the web but on image boards it's all about muh sjw ruining everything!!!

>>12134

My experience.

>>12128

I don't see any laws being changed. And if the attention whoring on the internet is any clue, there seems more anti-SJWs than SJWs and I don't think we have to fear them outvoting the fearmongers. I'd say the anti-SJWs are more of a threat in my experience as I haven't seen SJWs threatening to rape and kill. All manner of civility seems to go out the door with a lot of those people once they feel offended, I guess same can be said for the other. Civility is the best thing we have as humans and we should be careful we don't become the monsters we fight.

>>12135

So, freedom of expression being under attack on university campuses all over the Anglosphere is no big deal as long as the government passes no formal laws including dirty tricks like shutting down stundent's magazines and storming lectures on controversial topics? What about the bomb threats that aimed to stop the gamergate discussion panels or these lunatics defending the child abuse of one of their author friends?

>>12138

If university campuses are the problem go there and protest but don't shit in every thread and say it's a present.

You are nitpicking some events that could also happen the other way around. The sjws are apologetic about their assholes and you are about yours. This partisan bullshit has to end.

PC nonsense comes in waves and it ends at some point. Remember the early 90? Same shit.

>>12139

>You are nitpicking some events

I didn't nitpick anything for any purpose. This anon claimed that he never heard of the one side of the argument using threats and I provided some examples why he was wrong.

>PC nonsense comes in waves and it ends at some point

I prefer that point not being shit like over 1000 abused children as a result of police, social workers and government officials not doing their job for fear of being branded 'racists' and 'islaphobes' in a climate that was created by their political ideology.

>>12135

>I'd say the anti-SJWs are more of a threat in my experience as I haven't seen SJWs threatening to rape and kill. All manner of civility seems to go out the door with a lot of those people once they feel offended

You're so full of shit.

>>12135

More on you being full of shit.

>>12139

>You are nitpicking some events that could also happen the other way around.

But they're not. So your point is moot.

>>12141

Don't push this idea all the time. This reminds me if the "red scare" in the minds of some people almost all people are secret commies but in reality almost no one is.

If I would post in every video game thread some anti-theistic ideas like

>why is character x religious

>oh of course faith the answer in this fantasy game

>far future >theocratic society

then of course people would call me an euphoric faggot because I acted like one.

>>12144

nigger please, don't act like asjw never harassed someone or made death or rape threats.

>>12145

You mean how Anita pushes that everything in every game is sexist and it's AntiSJWs call her out on it?

>>12146

No I actually haven't. And neither do most AntiSJWs.

>>12146

But your SJW friends on the other hand.

SJW's are the left's Stormfags.

>>12144

What part of "you are like them" don't you understand?

They will say that they called you guys out. "Muh opinion special olympics"

I see a bunch of thin skinned babies.

>>12151

When you find antiSJWs going to the UN to ban speech, call me. Till then you're full of shit.

>>12152

> cucktard.

More biased images and videos please and more insults. This will show me what a free thinker you are and that you are actually reflect about your positions.

>>12153

>implying they wouldn't if the UN would let them speak.

Tell me how much you suffer from sjw. Must really hard. This totally not some first world problem like the sjw problems.

Get a life.

>>12157

>>12155

>>12158

>Another stock insult.

>>12159

>more butthurt

>>12160

Youtube attention whores like thunderfoot would jump infront of every camera or microphone if they get clicks that way.

>>12162

>more butthurt

>>12163

>more insightful rebuttals

>>12164

>offers baseless assertions with weasel language the entire time

>complains when is dismissed

>>12164

>more offended butthurt

>>12165

I also never got an clear answer. Just apocalyptic paranoia based on some youtubers that try too make money out of rage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

>>12145

The difference is that gamergate actually uncovered and provided evidence for the shady connections between game creators, game journalists and these political crusaders. This is not some imagined bullshit like you try to make it look like.

It's not only about some shitty video games or comics. It's about artistic freedom and freedom of expression and a political force that demands that all works of fiction have suck up to their political vision. Do you want to know what this reminds me off? I can enumerate numerous times in history when artists had to accomodate to a political authority.

Op here, I regret making this thread already, this qucikly turned into an awful flamewar. I was expecting maybe 1 or 2 people to agree with me and the rest to call me a faggot, but this takes the fucking cake.

>>12095

>Those people do exist though.

Of coarse they do, but 8chan gets paranoid way too easily sometimes.

>And you seem to have SJW sympathies.

I agree with 1/4th of what they say at absolute maximum. I don't take anyones side, I take what people say, analyze it, and go with the things they say that make sense. Im on no ones side here.

>No because we've heard this a hundred times and really your arguments are infantile.

I'm not even sure I know what to say to that, other than WOW.

>They deny and twist reality to how they imagine it. Patriarchy, denial of biological sex differences, etc. The hallmark of nutjobs.

If every feminist agreed on things, they'd be spreading faster, and they wouldn't be getting into all these shitflinging matches with each other in their inner circles, nor would some of the more extreme ones go full werewolf when one of them steps out of line. Im talking about moderate feminists who aren't as vocal and don't share the same viewpoints as the extreme ones.

>Who cares if someone wants to comment on what people do with their body?

Sure thing, that's free speech. Just don't be like some people on /pol/ and want to ban that shit (unless it directly harms other people somehow).

>Notice how there are only so many places this can be discussed.

This is one of the main reasons I beleive the bad side of social justice is dangerous. While you can still talk about it on 8chan, Voat, Tumblr (like holy shit, tumblr is wierd in this regard because you would never expect this), funnyjunk, a bunch of places I've probably never heard of, and to some extent on 4chan, certain subreddits, facebook, twitter, and youtube, more corrupt turbo authoritarian communities are doubling down on this and it's scary. It honestly feels like web 2.0 is coming to a close.

>>12104

Despite being on 8chan, and probably being familiar with gamergate, how have you NOT noticed?

>>12113

Just because they haven't been made into law doesn't mean they are a threat. Look at the fucking TPP, it's almost fucking there and it could easily screw us over. We thought the National Defense Authorization act was over too, but then they slammed that shit back.

>I could find men trying to shut down the voice of women also because they're found offensive. I don't get why there's so much of a crusade against women who say things that are offensive and not a crusade against everyone who says things that are offensive.

Ooooohohoho boy. I think I see where your coming from, sensational politics are the absolute fucking worst, and I've seen both sides use shitty strawman arguments, but whats offensive is something that differs from person to person, so good luck with that.

>>12122

I did a readup on that ladies story. Im not sure if she's either batshit crazy or heavily deluded because she seems to think if she asks one person about something, she'll get the right answer. The whole "feminist ideals" things sortof comes from her asking a muslim woman why she wore the garbs and was responded with "to keep away male gaze".The sad truth is she's probably a bit of both.

>>12127

True, not every crazy SJW college goer has a blog. Sorry for not being broad enough. I think it's more of the fact that they are a vocal minority that is getting larger, and even as a minority they are dangerous.

>I'd say the anti-SJWs are more of a threat in my experience as I haven't seen SJWs threatening to rape and kill.

Are…you fucking kidding me? At least half of those death threats are fucking fake. Both sides send death threats to each other to some degree. Please tell me this is a troll.

>>12139

If university campuses are the problem go there and protest

Your giving universities to much credit.

>You are nitpicking some events that could also happen the other way around. The sjws are apologetic about their assholes and you are about yours. This partisan bullshit has to end.

True, in a lesser case I cringed a bit when I saw gamergate try to be nice to enemies in certain cases , then in another instance got mad when they saw the anti's trying to be nice to totalbiscuit.

>>12171

You are fighting against wind mills imho.

Imagine this :Some indie movies maker bribes or whatever to get awards and good reviews.

>I have to warn everyone or the movie industry is done. We will not get the next block buster movie because the audience only watches what they are told. We will only get hipster shit.

>>12174

Please tell me, have you been spreading your ass cheeks voluntarily from the beginning or did you learn to enjoy it after doing it for so long?

>>12178

By the way, nothing against Libertarians, I didn't make that. But the fems and anti-fems tend to be the most vitriolic kind of people. And if both sides gave a damn about people, they'd just stfu more, a lot of us are tired of hearing the crying.

>>12178

> there's countless of them by men saying oppressive shit about women

Ok. And just like SJWs should have the right to spew their bile so should these men.

>but it seems there's some bias towards feminists

Because they are a religion. Who lie and deny evidence that doesn't conform to their preconceived notions. Who constantly seek special protections to keep their myths afloat. Vid related. Oh but you'll dismiss it like everything else that confronts your creationist tier beliefs.

>You irritable cunts that get offended easily as the femcunts

>Oh well, I just sit back and watch you sensitive faggots hate each other. Hate eventually winds up hurting and/or killing its host, let it bottle up. There won't be any satisfying you, you'll go on to the next thing you need to feel offended about, you're SJWs, just on the other side.

Careful with all that projection. Hahahaha.

>>12179

>vitriolic

So? There's nothing wrong with bitter criticism if it's on point which it is for the anti-SJWs and isn't for SJWs.

>>12179

Also

>complains about vitriol

>is vitriolic himself

LOLOOLOLO, the projection in this thread.

>>12177

I'm not masochist.That's why I don't waste my life with monitoring twitter and tumblr just to find something I find offensive and then brag with the screenshots.

>>12184

I'm pretty sure there's at least two of us in here now that are tired of your shit.

>Here, let me post this link or picture that offends me so you can be offended because I'm a defenseless tard that can't fend for myself, I have to get people to do my fighting for me.

>>12191

*caught

>>12187

I swiched from phone to PC and I didn't pretend I was some different. But I guess you will dismiss this anyway.

>>12190

Not offensive enough to me, try again so you can get me to be your brainless cuck with the same rage you have. I need to feel offended by feminine people also.

>>12193

>screw up

>act like nothing happened proceed to use proxies for other posters

rich

>>12194

Of course you're not offended by it. You're trying to stick your little chode in that shetwink.

>>12191

You're projecting, there's two different people here. You're paranoid about threats, that psychologically explains a lot your rage and a lot of the GG movement.

But I digress. Maybe you'll graduate high school and realize when you get older, it's not very fashionable to be offended by everything you can. I know when you're young it's cool and edgy to be cynical of people's motives but at some point most of us grow up. We realize we can handle ourselves and threats easier without freaking out and thinking every annoyance calls for a revolution.

>>12195

Actually, I didn't look at it very well. That is pretty funny. Ok, I'm 2/10 offended but I'd rate it more 4/10 for comedy.

>>12196

What revolution am I calling for exactly? Allowing people to say what they what? 1600s called, they want you to churn some butter.

More importantly I have reason to be angry about the threat to my freedom of speech and so do you. These people do try to censor shit all the time. And they have gained quite a bit of traction. Don't be upset with those who stay vigilant, mang. Be upset with those who want to muzzle you.

>>12198

I'm not just saying that to be against you. I've been there, been married, got fucked over and had plenty of hate for women in my life and the rage almost killed me. That said, I also fucked women over as I quickly learned not to get mad but to get even. Still, I'd rather not have to do either. You people keep giving these women the attention they want, even if it's negative I feel like they're just loving the attention. The best thing you can do is ignore it unless it becomes a viable threat and considering the inherent brotherhood of men, we're still embedded in law and most workforces everywhere, feminists pose little threat. The hate will wind up eating you up when you can have plenty of things that are more productive or fun to do that makes your life better or more entertaining.

>>12198

I'm not just saying that to be against you. I've been there, been married, got fucked over and had plenty of hate for women in my life and the rage almost killed me. That said, I also fucked women over as I quickly learned not to get mad but to get even. Still, I'd rather not have to do either. You people keep giving these women the attention they want, even if it's negative I feel like they're just loving the attention. The best thing you can do is ignore it unless it becomes a viable threat and considering the inherent brotherhood of men, we're still embedded in law and most workforces everywhere, feminists pose little threat. The hate will wind up eating you up when you can have plenty of things that are more productive or fun to do that makes your life better or more entertaining.

(filler because posting error)

All three waves of feminism are 100% insane garbage.

>>12204

I was sympathetic to the first two waves. The third one fell apart in the 70's because many women didn't want to give up the privileges they had over men to become truly equal. With no real worthy goals to work toward, they fell into disunity and it's been downhill since then.

>>12206

Er, I should have said it's been downhill since the 2nd wave in the 80's when the ERA failed. I don't keep up with their movement, I stopped giving credit to feminism after taking a class in 'Gender and American Politics.' Seems the only useful thing they've done since the ERA is fight for trannies and homosexuals.

>>12081

>>>/tumblr/

>>12213

When people talk about 8chan being a safespace, this is one of the things they mean. You should welcome criticism as anyone who can't criticize their own thought, it means it's too weak to stand up to scrutiny.

Is there something we should do to give you a trigger warning so we don't offend you next time?

Shit, in before 'lol learn to sage faggot'. But really, we should not be scared of dissenting opinion here, be it from christians or others.

>>12225

protip: no one here is scared of SJW tantrums.

Asserting someone is offended because they don't care for SJW drivel isn't criticism. Also you keep switching your subnet. And I know it's you.

>>12095

>if you are critical to anti-SJWs then you are a SJW

how's that strawman coming?

>>12234

That's a strawman, my point was if you defend SJWs you are on the side of SJWs. It's like "atheists" who are apologetic to Islam. Their actions are beneficial to Islam thus they are on the side of Islam.

Please I have yet to see some decent criticisms of antiSJWs. All I've seen is:

a) projecting offense onto me over the fact that I dared criticize someone's halfbaked criticism

b) demonstrably false claims

c) criticism are wrong if vitriolic

d) if you disagree with feminism you must hate women, eventhough there are other ideologies that give women equal rights and actually equal standing

e) some anons on 8chan respond in a paranoid way so all antiSJWs are paranoid

>>12240

You're close to becoming the monsters you fight. By annoying others with your complaints and expecting people to fight for you because there is no lukewarm, apparently, you've become them. This annoying, tyrannical entity that just doesn't know when to stop bitching.

From what I've gathered that's most people's complaints. Both sides should STFU. This is an atheism board and this argument doesn't belong here as it's infested 8chan enough. Keep it contained. I feel OP's annoyance also but this is off-topic and should be saged.

>>12251

I've never seen a more pathetic attempt at concern trolling than this one.

Your rabid tone policing is just another silencing strategy employed in order to smother others from voicing, what has been numerously shown, valid causes.

You should know better as someone who frequents this board and who is more likely to have been exposed to the events within the atheist community that has experience with hijacking attempts by political movements.

>>12256

Truth is, I have no fucks to give about what women offend you nor I have any to give about what men offend the women here, if any.

If this is lost on you and you don't think people are tired of your crying about a problem which is your own, you're a fucking idiot. I'm not your dad, your bro, personal army, etc. You people need to stop shitting over every board you're on over something that was triggered by GG, a woman fucking people. Get over it. When I was a kid, men had more important shit to worry about other than videogame journalism. I can't wait until you kids grow up so we don't have to hear this shit anymore.

>>12258

>wah wah i don't care what you say so i'm gonna spend my time whining about it wah

Also you're really misdirecting your impotent rage, bub. OP started the thread over his whining about people thinking he's a beta cuck.

Wow you SJWs are still in denial over being SJWs?

>>12273

Is a christian who argues against creationists an atheist? Is an atheist who disagrees with Dawkins on some points - religious?

>>12273

Statuefag? Is that you?

>>13017

Necromancer