>>14044
>I don't think you were ever an atheist if you're thinking of converting. That's like going from believing in Santa as a kid, then not believing, then believing as an adult. (Yes, Santa was a real person with myth behind him just like Jesus) For me, I had to spend years testing my beliefs before I considered myself an atheist; not just something I said by default because that's shallow. But shallow also are the ones who say they believe in gods without actually testing themselves and their faith if you can be broken easily. I can't see myself ever believing in a god again unless I had a concussion or went senile.
Maybe. As a kid I sort of assumed a lot of things were against the law of the land, that would have been illegal before we got separation of church and state, but was long since made legal, in spite of growing up in an atheist home where nobody ever explicitly spoke against these things. Does that count? When I learned what atheism was in my early teens I saw that I fit the description perfectly. I joined the Brights movement and disavowed any sort of belief that couldn't be verified empirically. I also got quite interested in social justice.
>You're trying to squeeze lemonade from a raisin. You think you can get something more from life by joining this cult or that cult when you probably just need friends, family, a hobby and fulfilling people and situations in your life.
Perhaps this is true. I'm a bit tired of being in my 30s and still having just a bunch of manchildren for friends (and being one). The thing is, even my workmates are manchildren. Men with wives, children, well-paying jobs, but absolutely insufferable. I was very active with the hacker movement, as a matter of fact I found the cheetos dust neckbeards types far more respectable than anyone else I've met, too bad they get so much unwarranted disrespect. But that got taken over by the "women in tech" movement, and seeing social justice warriors up close and personal rather than supporting them from a distance made me change opinion on that.
>It doesn't have to be of the supernatural kind. I see an unfulfilling life in cooking but my wife loves to cook. A fulfilling and wholesome life doesn't have to involve gods. We have within us something like a bios, a primal system what tells us what's wrong or right that a lot of us try to stay in tune with.
Isn't that essentially what natural law is? Or it could be pure evolutionary psychology, in which case I'd have to keep myself from committing the appeal to nature fallacy, especially considering our environment now definitely being different from the one that sense would have evolved in. With society changing dramatically over one or two generations would leave too little time for the genetics to adapt.
>Maybe it's from an ultimate programmer, maybe not, nobody knows but if there were an ultimate programmer, I feel he's someone that's secure enough he doesn't worry about having to be worshipped and his message strong enough within us that it doesn't need nurtured all the time.
That seems like an imprudent assumption to me.
>>14048
Perhaps, only I feel like I should have grown out of that and settled in the normie life by now. Maybe it's just a premature mid-life crisis.
>>14049
>Also, if you're looking to atheism for moral guidance, you're doing it wrong. You can look to fellow atheists if you just ask but atheism is simply about not believing, that's what all of us have in common.
Sure, that's for granted. It's just that I'm getting a sneaking suspicion there might be an objective morality, and that position seems absolutely indefensible if I am to remain an atheist.
>>14053
How so? I'm not American, so I wouldn't know.