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The rejection of belief in the existence of deities

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5b2654 No.13724

hey free will fag, if free will do real why can't i get stupid songs out of my head?

inb4 subconsciously you want it there

so something beyond my control controls what i want? so much for free will

9945e1 No.13725

>>13724

Is this really a question? I think everyone knows that free will exits to some extend but isn't completly free.


444280 No.13732

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>>13724

Sam Harris wrote an entire book about how you do not have free will.


1ae46b No.13737

Free will is a spook.

>>13732

Sam Harris is an idiot.


5b2654 No.13762

>>13737

Except he isn't.


444280 No.13764

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>>13737

>>13737

>Free will is a spook.

does that mean it doesn't exist???

Then Harris is agreeing with you but you are calling him an idiot.

Are you Stirner fan? The "communist" who believes only in the self.


ee024f No.13767

In the broadest definition, you don't have it. This is also true for "freedom". Does the fact that you're never free from things like physical limitations and your bodily needs mean freedom isn't real?


8625e8 No.13791

>>13764

A spook is not necessarily something which doesn't or couldn't exist. It is something that haunts the man.


c986d0 No.13801

>>13737

>>13732

>>13762

Harris is an idiot and free will exists


444280 No.13808

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>>13791

Then why are all the 'leftypol/lacks so eager to dismiss them as political forces, and not to harness them for the greater good.

>>13801

Are you sure?

I think red haired women are attractive. (see pic). I never decided to like red hair, or women for that matter. The desire just appeared in me and now it's a factor in my behavior.

How did I get this desire? Is it because I have Celtic ancestors? Was it all the episodes of Gilligan's island I watched after school as a kid?

Why didn't I mature into a gay man who is into Sumo wrestlers?

People do what they want but why do they want what they want?

Why does one teenager try pot and become a stoner while another tries it and goes "Meh"?


3a400b No.13886

What's a free will? What's the difference between having it and not having it?


b6d181 No.13890

>>13886

this. Even if free will is a thing how do we tell if humans or anything else actually has it.


e265bf No.13893

If there are three identical paralel universes then you will always do the same. You get the same idea 3 times.

There is no will that is idependent from the universe.

Also you are not master over your own mind and your memory.

Can not chose to not imagine a zebra if someone mentions it. Sometime stuff pops into your mind and you don't know why.

Your mind works more like a commitee that creates the illusion to be one.


74c2cc No.13894

>>13737

>>13801

You're an idiot. Free will is a religious concept used to legitimize god, after all if people didn't have real accountability for their actions it would make christianity even more unfair and insane than it already is.

Nobody chose their personality, nobody chose the way their brain developed, therefore nobody is really responsible for what they are doing. We don't have more free will than an ant, we do what are we programmed to do and that's it.


444280 No.13897

>>13894

Soooooo…….

You didn't write this response the universe did?


c986d0 No.13907

>>13808

Desire is not an action. You can chooses to act on those desires or choose not to.


c986d0 No.13908

>>13907

>>13808

Forgot to mention you can also choose to kill yourself

>>13894

Your brain forming and your personality are not actions that involve choice. Therefore choice is a concept foreign to the scenario

>programmed

Read Kant.


1baf80 No.13909

>>13897

>>13908

Don't be a Kant.

This is why philosophy is a pile of shit. You can use great grandpas opinion like a fact. He knew shit about brains.


6482af No.13915

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>>13808

>greater good

>>13907

>>13908

>choice

>Kant


b35b4b No.13918

Odd, in places where christianity is a minority, they try to claim free will doesn't exist. I think christians claimed this debate more when they were a majority so they can say you're choosing not to believe. That way they can feel special about them "choosing" to believe and lay blame on "those woman-lusting adultered sinners". But when faced with a different majority, they claim they didn't choose to believe in their god, they found it by way of destiny, a set of events set it all in place.

All that said, belief is a choice. You can't choose to believe unless convinced to believe. I'll believe in Santa if you can convince me and don't expect others to believe if they can't be convinced. I will not feel blame by others if they get butthurt in my non-belief of their god. In my fifteen years of looking, I've never found a god or gods I believe existed. If anything, a god I believed in would accept it's fine not to believe and that sometimes, what's right isn't what seems easy or makes society better, sometimes what makes society better is testing it and testing yourself, going the difficult routes sometimes that angers people. The challenges in life are what make life what it is. Food tastes great because you hunger. Women are great because you lust. Like the Yin/Yang, conflict must exist for us to realize greatness. I question the age and IQ of anyone that still believes in free will. If your "choices" aren't based on your neurology, biology, experiences, conditions, genetics, environment, etc, what are they based on, magic? Some god inserting randomness into our minds to "free" them up from biased decisions to give us true free will? You'd also have to believe in gods then so that's a chicken/egg scenario. It's all bullshit we should've stopped arguing about centuries ago but since we have idiots and religions involving magic, water walking, virgin births, arks with every zoo creature imaginable, demons, angels, miracle healing, hippie jews and all sorts of new age nonsense, we have to put up with this bullshit still.

I'd tip my fedora but it's already tipped because I live on the edge.


410d55 No.13975

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If you should ever flip a coin a hundred and fifty times and get heads, you will know that the laws of probability have been suspended and you are being guided by unknown forces, and therefore free will is a lie.




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