/atheism/ - Atheism

>>13900

Religiontards of all stripes see us as the greatest evil. They find common ground in that they are both deluded, so they put aside their quarrels over what god said or did to fight us.

>>13901

theistcuck pls

>>13900

It's not just hurt some feelings, it's pollitics.

When the first cosmonaut officially reached space he said "I don't see any gods out here", and murica used part of the bible.

Religion is a tool for controlling the masses and the conservatives have been using it (along with fear and rougher crime policies) for quite some time to keep the population in line, and atheism is far more corrosive for that model than muslims could ever be.

This is exactly why Bush said that atheists should have no rights at all and shouldn't be considered murican citizens, because the whole history of the country relies on being the ones chosen by god to rule, and enabled to use cheat codes on whatever convention they force the rest of the countries to sign, Chomsky is right on this (basically repeating what Eagleton, Levi and Greenfield said before him), there is a very strong discourse basically saying that murica can't do wrong, and whoever points out with facts at any bullshit from the upper class cannot be considered murican.

This is also why is vital that murica believes at some level that is constantly under some cultural siege designed to corrode its structure, otherwise, religiosity would drop like it did in other western countries because science gradually kills the god of the gaps.

>>13904

> there is a very strong discourse basically saying that murica can't do wrong

The sad thing is Chomsky's MO is only America can do wrong. But he is right to point that out, it's just that he goes on to be the other side of that idiocy.

>>13905

>Chomsky.

When asked at the ending of a conference if he believed America to be the source of all evil, he responded that he did not believe that a single country could ever aspire to that title, and fundamentally he spoke of America because this was the country he knew the most about. He said that it was the responsibility of every intellectual to criticize his country of origin, which is a largely accepted position amongst those who practice humanities regardless of borders or nationalities. Afterwards proceeded to classify current murica as an empire, and thus, not necesarily evil, yet lifted on the backs of the oppresed (regarding to both people and puppet nations) as every empire is.

The first sign of difference when compared with other intellectuals was that he included the everyman middle class taxpayer in this oppresed list, hinting at how despite having more power than minorities was also possibly the most oppresed by power structures. This is important for very current reasons, for the average channer mostly because it's a kick to all the intellectoids on the left that try to shield racist and communists policies under the cry of oppresion (and for the more philosophical inclined, it builds a bridge from structural linear analysis of history to Foucault despite the animosity between the two).

He did say, however, that he considered American government to be one of the largest enemies, if not the most dangerous to democracy, and when questioned why, he replied with the known facts about how basically they managed to introduce themselves everywhere by force and coercion in record time, fucked up all sorts of opposite ideology and did so in such an insidious way (believing that there was a real democracy and freedom in place) that basically managed to convince the population that everything they did was to preserve the "American way" (except in nam), while keeping them ignorant and happy. Pretty standard leftypol answer IMO, thus filled with both facts and a strong bias against conservative structure. He also pronounced himself against muslim countries and communist countries for basic reasons about freedom of ideas, religion and shit, hurriedly commenting on all the massacres etc.

Basically he recognizes that we could be a lot worse, but in his opinion USA is a lot less free than many other countries in the west, and citizens both suffer and enforce that lack of freedom upon their peers.

Of course I could be wrong too, but there are a large ammount of videos on youtube with similar themes.

In Europe you'll often see Muslims and Christian clerics banding together to defend religious privileges(not the imagined ones but real laws) and secular legislatures like it happened during the circumcision and caricature controversies.

>>13910

Yes, it's totally Christians who are covering up Muslim rapes in Europe and not enlightened atheists doing it for your own good.

>>13912

Most of the refugee helpers are part of christian charity organisations. So you are right.

>>13901

Nah, christians totally have us beat on the persecution complex. Seems you come here to vent because you feel so persecuted and euphoric about your religion. You want people to shut up about it because you've heard it all but because you feel threatened by truth.

>>13912

You know that the European churches are among the most pro-refugee factions, righ? Have you ever heard of sanctuary movements or church asylum? It's literally churches and parishes providing refuge to migrants that are in danger of being deported. There is no legislative basis for this but the churches just do it anyway. It happens in countries like Germany all the time additionally to this>>13914

A former board member of the major Lutheran Church of Germany who is currently the party whip for one of Germany's partys says shit like this(paraphrased) 'The migrants will make Germany more colorful and more religious which is a good thing.'

In fact the most vocal critics of the Muslim influence in Europe apart from the fringes of the alt-right are the secularists, many denying multiculturalism, openly calling out the regressive left and the backwardness of Islam by writing books titled 'the Islamic fascism' for example.

You seem to live in fantasy land.

>>13914

>>13921

I didn't say people helping refugees. I said people covering up Muslim rapes in Europe for equality, which comes predominantly from atheists or atheists pretending to be Christian.

>>13926

Well, that's just practical. Everyone who covered it up was an atheist and everyone that happens to be Christianis just an atheist in disguise! AYY, this is the definition of no true scotsman.

Guess what, the party whip in question and former board member of one of the two major churches is also the former candidate of one of the most pro-immigrant parties(greens) for chancellery which is the party that reacted the most apologetic to the incidents.

And keep guessing, some of the institutions which were responsible the most for the cover-up, namely the public broadcasters(even going so far that they issued a public apology), are known for having very close ties to the churches. They regularly broadcast church services or produce series in which clerics and pious people are the heroes, everything paid for by tax payer money of course. And it goes deeper than this. The churches have effectively guaranteed seats on the boards of the broadcasters at the state level, even in the states that have not a Christian majority!

But yeah, these are all atheists in disguise that give the real Christians a bad name, even the layman church representatives that form a big voting block on the boards of the public broadcasters that covered up the rape stories.

>>13906

Chomsky is full of shit and backpeddling with those statements. He is an incredibly dishonest nonintellectual. If he knew about America he would know of something called the Barbary Wars. Yet he blames America for Muslims being violent. He isn't against muslims either, he sucks Al Jeezera's dick on a weekly basis, video related.

Chomsky is paraded around as an intellectual yet his understanding of the world is on par with the average /pol/tard. I guess for SJWs that is something but nothing compared to the scale of human intelligence. He should've stuck to linguistics, as he can't reason beyond that topic. And he only achieved something in linguistics with lots of help from a mathematician. Pretty sure none of the math was his. There couldn't be a better example of an over-glorified crank than Chomsky.

>>13900

>People are more likely to vote for a muslim than an atheist.

christcuckity and islam are more similar to each other than to atheism. People fear what they don't know.

I guess all the gullible burgerclaps also have a hard time distinguishing atheism and communism, because of the stupid McArthian in-group vs out-group politics of the cold war

Also, did you notice that "atheist" is the only category prepended with the article "a/an" ?

>>13945

he's a fucking smartass with scientific contributions more valuable than you can imagine. His politics just happen to be almost conspiranoical because he plays the role of the contrarian who defies equally stupid political views.