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The rejection of belief in the existence of deities

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e00fc1 No.14525

"Checkhov's gun" means not including unnecessary elements in a story. You don't detail what will happen if you eat of the tree in Eden unless you're foreshadowing that you will use the tree later in the story. Jesus told Peter he will deny him 3 times as foreshadowing, except Christians call the trope prophecy.

This isn't proof that events didn't flow from one to another, but it makes sense for these stories to have become streamlined in the retellings. We don't even know the little details such as how Jesus looked or talked, or what David's palace or the pharoh's palace looked like. The writing is usually told by an omniscient narrator, and yet it is very simple, and not very photographic compared to a modern English novel. Less detail makes for a faster story, but it also makes the creator of the universe aloof, as though neither he nor Moses saw human characters as particularly distinct from each other.

The bible is full of characters that interact without faces or jewelry. Why doesn't God care to accurately educate us about ancient history, pharoh, or how the Egyptians dressed and what they wrote? Checkhov's gun means dropping a few verifiable facts about Egyptians to convert future archaeologists and appease our curiosity was less important than the including more lying wives and drama.

4b38ce No.14526

You're using the same old tired argument that it's not the historical legitimacy that's important but the message. Many people don't just have issues with the legitimacy of it but if you actually read much about other religions and philosophies, plenty of people will tell you how wrong it is morally to them.

In some cases, lying and deceit work out for its host and help it survive better. Some would argue morality is for the purpose of survival. Try to have a war without one side using deceptive tactics. Life is war. No matter what your hippie Jew and sandnigger god tells you, sometimes what your book of serpents, angels, demons, magic, miracles, etc isn't the right decision.

What other shit can you spam here that we can debunk?


4b38ce No.14527

>>14525

Also, you mention lying wives. What other things does your book say that you think is important. Mention each and every one and I can tell you why it can be considered wrong. And just because it hurts your feelings doesn't mean it's wrong. You make the mistake of thinking your book is infallible.


e00fc1 No.14528

>>14527

You missed the mark - I don't believe it was divinely inspired in any form, and was hoping to treat the bible like literature and hunt for dramatic tropes in the bible. Tropes (which are literary cliches) when amassed are strong evidence that a story was constructed by uncreative/unsophisticated people, and is probably fiction. Once you can shown the writer had a less than stellar imagination, it would be easier to use guilt by association to make the case to a Theist that the message is equally cliche filled, short-sighted and limiting.


221163 No.14529

>>14528

Yes, I know what a trope is but it looked like a thinly veiled /christian/ spam thread. They have a habit of making hit and run threads, not bothering to stay here and stand up for their beliefs the minute you give them any hard questions.


ae2ce6 No.14532

I don't know if I would call them "tropes", but I took a class once where the professor broke down the basic composition of Biblical stories in the NT, with some features being somewhat exclusive and specific to the Levant (pointless genealogies) while other where the stock and trade or new religious movements (miracle stories, riddles, ascension into the sky, etc).

Is this what you meant?


84f176 No.14533

>>14525

Dunno if it's a trope but the people who are chosen by God can act like assholes and still get what they want and their enemies get punished for just being in their way.


e00fc1 No.14534

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>>14533

>Chosen One, Moral Myopia, Might Makes Right, Broken Aesop.

I just checked and TV tropes has a bigger page on the bible than I expected too. This is the sort of classification jargon I wanted to play around with:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheBible

Political correctness & inclusiveness may have made tvtropes a confusing mess, but a few of the articles are still enlightening.




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