Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 16:36:00 329a43 No. 1508 [View All]
Alright Atheist - Christian here, a few of you have come to our board, started discussion questions and fled upon losing
like here
http://8ch.net/christian/res/13452.html and here
http://8ch.net/christian/res/13505.html so perhaps on your board someone can provide meaningful answers:
1) 95 - 15 % of the world believes in some form of God, so isn't the fact that you can't or don't evidence of some lack of capacity for religiousness on your part. Isn't your position like a blind man who says that sight isn't real just because they can't experience it, whereas the vast majority of the world's population experience it just fine. Similarly, you say God isn't real because you can't experience it despite the fact that the vast majority of the world's population do experience it?
How can you discount God just because you dont experience him when the vast majority of humanity does. Really if you want your movement to be taken seriously you have to come to terms with this and give an explanation thats a little better than - most humans are deluded / stupid / wrong.
2) Numerous recorded and attested miracles have occured in the 20th century
two examples are
i) the fatima miracles
Mary appeared to 3 children, gave them a set of prophecies and said she would prove the legitimacy by making the sun do weird things on October 13th 1917. It did, the prophecies also predicted the 2nd world war, the rise and fall of the soviet union, and other major world events of the 20th century.
ii)Our lady of Akita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Akita In 1973 a staute of mary started weeping, this was attested to by a scientific crew that was allowed to examine the staute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima Your world view requires that miracles are not possible, that there must be some other explanation, and so you close your eyes to them, or discount them. This hardly seems objective or scientific to discount evidence based on pre-concieved notions
You defined natural laws as things that can be broken and so you choose to adopt a world view in which miracles, which by definition are violations of natural law, are not possible. And you use that to shut your eyes to the enormous evidence of actual miracles that happen continuously.
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2 of 2 Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 08:27:45 329a43 No. 1881
I am going to continue with this line of reasoning to go back to chronic pain for a moment. Through a large part of modern medical history, patients were going to doctors and complaining of chronic pain. Just how they were in constant pain at even the smallest movements. Doctors, adopting this mechanical view of the universe, would do tests, find no explanation and decide that the patients were psychosomatic or delusional or lying etc. Fortunately in the 2000s the medical profession grew out of this archaic and arrogent view, and realized that if many people say they are in pain, you should believe them. You should not discount the testimentary evidence of large groups of people just because it doesn't fit in perfectly with our nice world view. Today we do take complaints of chronic pain seriously and treatment is available. . . provided you go to the right doctors. Just an example of how flawed and inadequate this mechanical view of the universe is. To truly understand the universe in any meaningful context, you must leave room for mystery, and leave room for humility, accept that the universe may not fit into our neat little views of it. and I believe that answers every other response I got - except for the pascals wager one, but that was just silly
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 13:42:55 065b78 No. 1885
The Amityville Horror is proof that God is dead and we should worship Satan. HAIL SATAN ! HAIL SATAN ! HAIL SATAN ! HAIL SATAN ! HAIL SATAN ! HAIL SATAN !
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 14:25:51 e40f83 No. 1889
>>1880 >>wi would stell be abli to communicati Okay but my point about heuristics and the insignificance of that matter still stands. Argumentum ad populum might be enough to convince someone in certain situation but it's still a fallacy.
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 14:28:45 e40f83 No. 1892
>>1881 We don't say that people who say they can feel god don't feel it. We say that it doesn't prove god exists. Just like patients feeling pain doesn't prove that there is something wrong with them other than the fact that they are feeling pain. This analogy actually works against your point.
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 14:53:09 38901d No. 1895
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Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 16:25:40 6e024b No. 1896
>>1881 It's pretty pathetic. You're wanting to believe so bad you're filling in these holes of doubt with bullshit no sane human would believe. And in your quest for find proof for your god, of trying to find him in the physical world, you're doing what he wouldn't want you to do, oh ye of little faith.
Anonymous 02/01/15 (Sun) 17:03:05 a77474 No. 1899
>>1881 >except for the pascals wager one, but that was just silly You mind addressing the fact that there is better evidence for slenderman than christ?
Anonymous 02/02/15 (Mon) 18:53:01 bf72fc No. 1975
>1) 95 - 15 % of the world believes in some form of God, so isn't the fact that you can't or don't evidence of some lack of capacity for religiousness on your part. Argument from popularity >2) Numerous recorded and attested miracles have occured in the 20th century Doesn't have any definitions, nor methods by which veracity is distinguished from falsity
Anonymous 02/03/15 (Tue) 15:17:56 db07a6 No. 2027
>>1975 >Argument from popularity Slow down bro. He doesn't understand those quite well yet.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 01:48:49 8c601d No. 6113
Bumping so newcomers know we've already debunked statuefag on miracles and he refused to listen to the counter-arguments and just kept repeating himself. You might as well save your breath on his newer troll threads, like the one on "Most scientists are not atheists"
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 01:54:44 8c601d No. 6114
By the way, most times when you see a miracle it just chance. Statistically speaking, unlikely things happen frequently within a month, and rarer things become more likely as the period of time increases. People are prone to being impressed when they believe any unusual occurance is a miracle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littlewood%27s_law
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 02:31:57 329a43 No. 6116
>>6114 >>6114 I'm sorry is a mathematical formulation based on a given set of assumptions a form of scientific fact. Before I came to this board I thought science was based on observations and experiments. You people have a weird definition of science.
>>6113 And I'm certain atheists can point to that post or series of posts - where it was debunked
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 03:06:17 fd6799 No. 6121
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>>6116 HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
YOU'RE STILL HERE?
Whenever an Anon here would call someone "the statuefag" I thought it was just a joke. Like when a religious person goes full retard they get called "statuefag" as a reference to this thread. Just to remind people just how fucking crazy religious people can be sometimes. But no, it's not a joke. You're still here, still posting… actively by looks of it.
This thread is about 3 months old. Anon bumps it to remind us of the statuefag. Then you, THE infamous statuefag, replies him only like half an hour later. I can barely believe it. Holy fuck.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 03:14:28 329a43 No. 6122
>>6121 Yes I posted it 3 months ago, I haven't really posted much since, because it didn't really seem like the debates would accomplish anything of worth.
Then I started posting again recently but it's starting to look like it won't accomplish much.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 03:21:23 f2fa74 No. 6123
>>6122 >yfw statuefag tried for 3 months to get banned by being a spamming, insulting and retarded faggot to prove that /atheism/ would censor him >he is still active and achieved nothing but at least
>he got labeled as statue fag because of how much of a faggot he was
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 03:39:27 329a43 No. 6127
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>6123 well I like to think I have achieved some things, such as that atheism will yell staute fag to discredit the person rather than address the argument. I know one fundamental truth, I will never convince the person I am debating again, but that was never the point, embed video related.
also it's been nice to watch you guys spazz and yell christ fag or staute fag at each other degrading the dicourse here long after I am gone, which I can be confident will continue long after I am gone.
If I may quote Jesus " a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand"
Incidently, by yelling staute fag, and throwing ad hominems about my irrationality (how ironic can you get) no one has responded to the legitimate points made here
>>6116
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 03:44:32 f2fa74 No. 6128
>>6127 > also it's been nice to watch you guys spazz and yell christ fag or staute fag at each other Yeah, it sure must be nice to act retarded over the span of a few months and somehow be surprised if people think you'd still be around here. Very surprising right? It's not like you made a fool of yourself or something.
>long after I am gone >implying you'll ever be gone>implying that if you had a reason to leave you wouldn't had done so months ago >implying anyone takes you seriously now You don't even need a trip or ID, people simply identify you by your idiocy and the way you argue.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 03:51:04 329a43 No. 6129
>>6128 >Yeah, it sure must be nice to act retarded over the span of a few months and somehow be surprised if people think you'd still be around here. I'm actually being honest I haven't been here for the entire 3 months, I've made this thread and only came back and started posting recently
But if you guys were noticing people in that span and thinking it was me, I feel extremely gratified because I know that seed of destruction and divisiveness will carry forward.
>You don't even need a trip or ID, people simply identify you by your idiocy and the way you argue.Well that and I'm the only Christian on here making arguments other than /jesus/ should make it pretty easy to identify.
now if someone could address instead of trying to make this thread about personality
>6116
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 04:47:18 fd6799 No. 6133
>>6128 >Yeah, it sure must be nice to act retarded over the span of a few months and somehow be surprised if people think you'd still be around here. Very surprising right? It's not like you made a fool of yourself or something. Nice burn Anon
>You don't even need a trip or ID, people simply identify you by your idiocy and the way you argue.This true, I noticed that this board was getting loopier over the past few weeks. I didn't want to believe it, but now it feels obvious. Statuefag is back
>>6129 >Well that and I'm the only Christian on here making arguments other than /jesus/ should make it pretty easy to identify. No no no. /jesus/ my not be very bright, but he's no statuefag. You are dumber than a sack of hammers. You are crazier than squirrel shit. You could train chimps to type, and they'd argue better than you. You are statuefag. You are as bad as NephilimFree. You are fucking retarded.
We don't think you're bad because you're religious. We don't think you're bad because you're a Christian. We think you're bad because you are a person with a really really low IQ that's also really really detached for reality.
>>6123 If statuefag is a troll, then he's a legendary one, I give you that.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 05:23:24 329a43 No. 6135
So what is it 10 - 20 posts adhominims and insults and not one response to a very simple challenge >And I'm certain atheists can point to that post or series of posts - where it was debunked All you have to do is point to the posts where my argument was debunked.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 05:26:14 329a43 No. 6136
>>6135 challenge was issued here
>>6116 I think this is what we would call a pretty heinous defeat on your parts. If you want to make me look stupid the best way to do so is to prove me wrong and answer to the challenge. Since you have taken to much more juvenile tactic of calling names on like kids in a schoolyard I can only say that you as a board have collectively been defeated so thoroughly that you remember it several months later.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 07:26:04 bf72fc No. 6143
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 17:14:46 fd6799 No. 6160
Alright statuefag, I want to get to the bottom of this. So, I have some questions for you. 1. How old are you? 2. What country are you from? 3. What is your highest form of education? 4. Do you know what your IQ is? If so, what is it? 5. Do you have any sort of mental disorders? How about any emotional and behavioral disorders? 6. Were you raised Christian? If not, when did you convert?
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 17:37:55 329a43 No. 6161
>>6160 highest level of education was answered in this thread (not directly but through answering questions about occupation) and you should be able to guess a minimum age from that.
The fact that you haven't and need to ask shows that you haven't paid attention to the thread or to the arguements made therein
similar to
>>6143 who claims the arguments are debunked by pointing to points he supposes is unique but were made previously and dealt with and moved past much earlier in the thread.
Honestly you guys aren't very serious about debate, which is why I gave up on this sort of debate and turned instead to attacking you on the basis of your bias and irrationality rather than arguing for the truth or falsity of religion.
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:53:26 bf72fc No. 6165
>>6161 >but were made previously and dealt with and moved past much earlier in the thread. Show me where please
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 18:57:36 bf72fc No. 6166
>>6165 Also, before you bullshit your way out of them, here are the specific points from that post:
Response to your first point in the OP:
>Argument from popularityResponse to the second point in the OP:
>Doesn't have any definitions, nor methods by which veracity is distinguished from falsityThere you go. Now specifically address these two points. Don't go off on a bullshit tangent like you have been this entire thread
Anonymous 04/04/15 (Sat) 19:28:03 fd6799 No. 6169
>>6161 Yes, it's true I don't remember everything that was said in a thread that's 3 months old. So, could you please answer my questions here:
>>6160 I would really appreciate it.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:41:38 24514b No. 6179
>>1511 >95% >Literally all buddhists, shintoists, confucianists and eastern Asians in general don't believe in any kind of god whatsoever >Nontheism is widely popular in many populous European countries 95% sounds like a very unrealistic upper bound. It makes you look very careless about your claims
>doesn't popularity imply something is trueno. Geocentrism wasn't true just because nearly every single human man before the 16th century firmly believed it was true. History keeps moving on.
If anything we can conclude that the probability that a religion is true is exceedingly low because there are too many, they are indistinguishable from mere cultural constructions that grow at very specific times and places, like languages, and unlike educated competing hypothesis; none of them is substantially more plausible or testable than the rest, many of them have been completely abandoned despite having millions of firm believers in the past, they are highly incompatible with one another, they have been scientifically proven wrong at many important claims about the nature of things and therefore have had to adapt their beliefs in spite claiming to be absolute truths, none of them has ever reached the point of gathering half the human population, etc.
>How can you discount God just because you dont experience him when the vast majority of humanity does.false aggregation. It turns out most of them think you are plain wrong about your religions beliefs, they think your peculiar view is stupid, and then you all will continue slaughtering one another like you have been doing since the dawn of civilization because you are aware that your worldviews are contradictory. Eventually you take a break and bash on atheists together because they are truly off your category of insanity.
>Numerous recorded and attested miracles have occured in the 20th centuryif you were really interested in discovering the truth you would know that serious studies (not the kind of sensationalist and corruptible pseudo-scientific, economically interested shows you see on TV) show that all religious denominations on Earth claim about the same amount of miracles, of which about the same tiny percentage (less than 1%) can't be conclusively proven false, which is not to say they have been proven true as you delusional superanatural people like to think.
/atheism/: remember to SAGE shitty threads
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:45:45 24514b No. 6180
>>1516 >I can't honestly explain something >therefore it is a supernatural event and it is explained by the random story I happen to want to believe in >you are not offering evidence against the miracleI have never seen evidence against the existence of Zeus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, yet none believes in them.
You might as well go try to believe in every single religion in the world at the same time please
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 00:54:31 24514b No. 6181
>Numerous recorded and attested miracles have occured in the 20th century Really? An unexplained petty phenomena that somehow proves that a particular religion is true and that their particular god exists? Why did I never read about these important things in my biology or chemistry textbooks? THEY FUCKING PROVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE AND YET NOT A SINGLE MENTION IN A SINGLE WIDESPREAD SCHOLARLY TEXTBOOK!!! Why would the worldwide scientific community hide such a fucking great thing from us? I though about half of them still were theists of some kind.. yet no miracles mentioned as a matter of fact.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:12:57 24514b No. 6182
>>1576 > we had a scientist >a scientist >a >scientist Akita theory of electrostatic fluids when? I would really love to study a masters program in Akita science
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:15:10 24514b No. 6183
>>1578 >being inanimate cant cry so you accept that it didn't happen?
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 01:50:56 24514b No. 6184
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>>1809 >adopt buddhism while rejecting the gods, cosmology and everything else that makes it buddhist the fact that Buddhism derived from Hinduism doesn't mean Buddhism posits that Hindu mythology is metaphysically true, and the fact that Eastern religions are full of superstitious doesn't mean Easterns are generally theist.
Gautama himself taught about rejecting the existence of deities, moreover, he wasn't even a soft atheist but a positive one who claimed that no gods existed whatsoever.
>stick to the dictionary definition of religionno gods involved. I don't know what shitty dictionary you got that from, but it's quite a biased and schismatic definition of religion
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 08:02:27 329a43 No. 6195
>>6169 I have answered, it was if you cant be bothered to read the thread GTFO
same goes for the two of you
>>6165 >>6164 as for
>>6180 well if the zeus or the flying spagetti monster statutes start crying the world over, maybe people will feel differently
>>6179 >careless claims nigga your are a tiny tiny minority of humanity
>no. Geocentrism wasn't true just because nearly every single human man before the 16th century firmly believed it was true. History keeps moving on.you see to miss the argument altogether, it was about popular perception not popular opinion, most peopel say they feel something, they feel Gods presence etc. so you are either going to have to say that the majority of humanity is deluded in their perceptions, or admit that maybe you just dont feel it
>>6181 this was dealt with in the thread previously, this is one of the big reasons I stopped responding, people keep repeating the same arguements over and over again out of stupidity
>>6183 well not because I have a scientific mind not an asshole mind, thus I observe and draw conclusions from observations instead of dismissing things outright because of preconceived notions of what can and cannot happen
>>6184 I dont believe it is wise to dignity this jargon laden stupidity with a meaningful reply
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 10:46:03 bf72fc No. 6213
>>6195 >I have answeredOkay then, show us where, so we can all see it isn't incoherent gibberish like the rest of your replies
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 15:10:35 827ab3 No. 6222
>>6195 You didn't respond to one key point regarding heuristics
>>1889 >>1837 which pretty much summarizes why us believing in chink chonk sounds doesn't mean it's rational. You accuse us of not reading your points, while you fail to respond to one of ours, fo shame.
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 22:36:13 329a43 No. 6233
>>1837 >>6222 >Now that you've gone away from the statues, you're hanging on this argument and it's been explained before. Many people have that same feeling but they don't believe in gods. This "feeling", this spiritual part of people, has been hijacked by various religious leaders, prophets, and other new age, psychic, and spiritual people throughout the ages. It's the same feeling, just filled with different words and ideas. You claim your ideas and words that tingle your spiritual senses are true while not giving credence to everyone else's that don't believe in godsI don't think there are many spiritual atheists, I have yet to meet any atheists who claimt o have such a feeling Either way when I look at the world it seems like most religious people (and by this I mean actual believers and not cultural christians who go to church because that's their culture or what they were raised to do) are religious either because they have this perception or they give creedence to others who have this perception. Most atheists are atheists because they deny this perception or deny it's reality.
If you want to eke out a form of atheism that does have spirituality, I would be interested. Sam Harris has claimed to but it seems to be nothing more than some rather pointless and extremely dubious mind exercises that any other neuro-scientist would be ashamed to endorse.
As for your claim that this is a key point and the reason why most of you are atheists, I disagree, I think this thread + most atheists I have talked to seem to resort to denying spirituality and spiritual feelings altogether not attempting to fashion some for of godless spirituality
Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 22:44:32 574be7 No. 6234
Hey guys I found instructions on how to make a weeping statue on the internet. Do you think I could make one with an anime figurine I worship, and convince Catholics I have a legitimate region?
Btw here is a list of a bunch of copycat fake weeping statues that were so obvious the Catholic church rejected them. Guess they only wanted there to be one weeping statue to leave room for doubt. If they kept admiting weeping statues as miracles they would definitely be caught by a whistleblower someday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeping_statue#List_of_weeping_statues
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 00:28:53 6d8dc4 No. 6246
>>6234 Seriously guys, I think a bleeding statue would make a grand paperweight for my desk in the office. I would need to make at least two anime statues, so I would have one more than Catholics and be able to convert them. Then I'd just need to find a scientist (any scientist would do, even a Paleontologist friend) to verify blood dripped out. I just need to find a way to make the plastic porous, but hollowing out the head should be simple.
In fact if I ever run a night club I'm going to commission an water fountain with a nymph that menstruates and then dye the water red. Maybe Catholics would stop being so stuck up about having sex if there were more miraculous sculptures that were completely lewd.
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 03:28:31 cf24b1 No. 6248
>>6233 > I have yet to meet any atheists who claimt o have such a feeling I'd be surprised if you know very many atheists at all, statuefag.
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 10:05:02 4d4bb9 No. 6262
>>6233 I said it's a key point against your korean consonants example, because you still seem to believe your ad populum is valid based on that.
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 13:14:38 a5480b No. 6264
>>6233 > Most atheists are atheists because they deny this perception or deny it's reality. >denying the possibility that there could actually exist people who don't feel self-delusion like himstatuefag confirmed for being a mind reader who can introspect into the purposes of atheists minds
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 15:10:48 329a43 No. 6271
>>6262 I'm not certain I understand you, how does it negate the Korean example?
Ad populum is valid if it's based on common perception rather than common opinion. If everyone sees red, but someone else doesn't, we can know that one person is colorblind, we don't question the existence of red. This is what the Korean example is intended to demonstrate.
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 16:54:15 6dd4b8 No. 6278
>>1525 >God is not so narrow minded as to turn away from good souls and sincere worship just because they do it in a slightly different way, this is the divine creator of the universe after all So are you saying you don't believe in the ten commandments?
>Thou shalt have no other gods before me >Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 17:58:30 329a43 No. 6283
>>6278 I have repeatedly said this is not the point of the thread, I was trying to prove that there is a rational basis for believing in the existence of God. As to which religion is correct is not the subject of this thread nor is it relevant to any of the points described here.
New covenant Christianity is based on love not on a set of rules - thou shall not kill has been repeatedly disregarded as well as the graven images commandment. Read about new vs old covenant theology in Christianity.
Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 20:09:52 8c601d No. 6289
>>6278 >I have repeatedly said this is not the point of the thread, You're out of new counter points to discuss, which haven't been repeatedly refuted, so perhaps you should follow our lead now.
>I was trying to prove that there is a rational basis for believing in the existence of God. And you failed to prove anything except how dense you are. I'm sorry your parents abused you with Christianity bro. You might have become a very smart man by now.
> New covenant Christianity is based on love not on a set of rules…Show us the love you preach of statuefag. Practice your tolerance by tolerating our dissenting opinions in your mind.
>….thou shall not kill has been repeatedly disregarded as well as the graven images commandment.1) if thou shall not kill is repeatedly disregarded, it sounds like there was more love under the old covenant
2) why did God need to make a new covenant in the first place if he's so perfect? (Why don't you pause for a moment to about it……………………?)
Did you think of a reason?
Does what you were told not make sense?
Are you lost?
We can help you if you'll open your mind.
(Hint: Christianity is not divinely inspired and you could stand to do more research from secular historians and non-Christian sources. Christianity began as one of many ancient cults. It hijacked an older religion and it's leaders replaced the old covenant to make it easier to asser their own power by invalidating the power of existing priests. This thereby gave themselves even more power influence over the lives of the gullible sheep, who would leave their mother and father to follow the apostles, while donating all they had to his ministry.)
3) Catholics make graven images to Mary, Jesus, the saints, and their churches have made over a dozen fake bleeding statues after Akita. You don't call this a violation of this commandment because you're suffering under Catholic delusions, but the Protestants saw the problem and removed those statues to Mary and the saints. Iconlogy is false worship of things other than God, and was thrown out according toa more literal interpretation of the bible.
> Read about new vs old covenant theology in Christianity.No sense in implying we don't even know the basic premises of Christianity any less than you do. You can't live in a Christian majority country without learning a lot about it, and most Atheists here probably were former Christians. Just because you have a weaker education, and attach great significance to the little you know about your own faith from diluted sources, doesn't mean there aren't (many) Atheists who are more rigorous about their beliefs than you, and who have taken more time to read more about the things that matter than you've bothered to do.
Anonymous 04/07/15 (Tue) 07:41:37 765346 No. 6316
>>6271 You said that ad populum is a valid way of reasoning because we believe that koreans have different sounding consonants without hearing them for ourselves, so we should also believe in god because people feel god.
Just because everyone believes in korean consonants doesn't mean it's valid reasoning. Ordinary people don't always have enough resources to examine everything and collect solid evidence of facts they believe to be true, so they resort to heuristics. Such heuristics as believing in the perception of others.
If koreans didn't actually have different sounding consonants and were bullshiting all along for kicks or whatever reason and were able to convince people who learn their language to jump in on the bandwagon everyone would fall for it. At least until they performed a double-blind test I proposed earlier for example or disprove it in another way. People are satisfied with incomplete evidence not because that's correct reasoning but because they don't have enough resources to investigate matters that are insignificant to them.
無神論について (日本語で話せ) ピタルさん 04/11/15 (Sat) 23:23:17 064693 No. 6568
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. 日本語でバイブルを見に行った。 イエスは親分みたいです。
その時,イエスは彼に言った,「サタンよ,わたしの後ろに下がれ」(Matthew 4:10)
http://biblehub.com/jpn/matthew/4.htm 馬鹿らしい、やくざみたいです。 英語に比べると、日本語の方が楽しいです。 それじゃ、偶像ファッグとかサム・ハッリスを話しましょうか?