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 No.1877

Who are your favorite and least favorite atheist characters in fictional pop culture?
pic related, I fucking hate this dog.

 No.1882

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Shows written by atheists have more likable characters. American Kaiba was stubborn and lame, but River from Firefly was cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2XOmoD9e-Y

 No.1903

>>1882
I have never watched firefly because of the SJW propaganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joss_Whedon#Feminism_and_activism

Written by Joss Whedon

This guy is an SJW hypocrite and a money-hungry Jew. He has no honor and is a despicable human being.

 No.1917

>>1903
He wrote Alien Resurrection or some crap. Anything involved with that I don't trust.

 No.1943

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The Doctor is a pretty cool guy.

 No.1952

>>1943
Shit, this makes me want to go watch a cheesy Brit show.

 No.1991

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>>1903
Whedon is a faggot among faggots. He take's SJW feminazi dick in his ass and apologizes for being a man. That being said, he's still a good director, and I can't wait for A:AoU.

 No.1994

>>1877
For atheism to evolve, Seth MacFarlane needs to die.

 No.2001

>>1994
To be fair though, back in the early to mid 2000's before Family Guy went to complete shit, Seth Mcfarlane helped atheists at the time realize "Hey I'm not alone, there are actually people like me out there". Seeing Family Guy and Futurama rip on religion at times kinda made me question my religious standpoint.

I'll always sort of remember that episode where someone told Fry to pray for bender, and they made a joke about how that was pretty much the equivalent of doing nothing about it.

 No.2007

>>2001
>Is there any way to get my friend back?
>We could join hands in prayer.
>Great. anything that will actually work?
>no.

 No.2011

>>2001
He served his purpose.

I became an atheist when I was 7, actually. I just looked at everything and decided that it just didn't add up.

 No.2077

>>1994

Yeah, fuck McFarlane. He's a demagogue and an idiot who needs to shut his mouth for once in his life.

 No.2103

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>>1877
>pic related
>Andrew Ryan
>Safe to assume Gordon Freeman is an atheist?
>What about The Doctor? I feel like there have been some comments on religion made by him, but it's been a while since I've watched the show.
Can't think of any other fictitious atheists.

 No.2112

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Passing through. Just looking for an excuse to use my Beavis & Butthead webm.

 No.2133

>>2103
>House and Andrew Ryan
Both based as fuck, although they could both be seen as encouraging the "atheists are assholes" stereotype. Ryan's atheism isn't really portrayed as a negative trait in itself (it's there to strengthen the association with Ayn Rand but doesn't seem directly related to his villainy) but House's atheism can easily be read as him being mad at God because of his leg or whatever. But I guess if we let that bother us then we're letting what Christfags think ruin our enjoyment of something and that's generally a bad idea.

>Safe to assume Gordon Freeman is an atheist?

Is it? I don't think he's ever said anything on the subject :^)

>What about The Doctor?

I actually mentioned him here
>>1943
There's a long history of atheist subtext in Doctor Who that, I believe, can be traced back to the First Doctor. Most recently, in the last season finale the Doctor/the show sort of implied the afterlife isn't real.

Also here's some fun trivia.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
>Richard Dawkins is married to former Doctor Who cast member Lalla Ward. They were introduced by Douglas Adams, a mutual friend, who was a Doctor Who writer and script editor.
And Dawkins made a brief cameo in 2009.

>Can't think of any other fictitious atheists.

Actually your mentioning vidya characters reminded me of one, I'll put that in a separate post.

 No.2134

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>>2112
well since you posted that, it reminds me of this.

 No.2137

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I really like Altair and the story of the first Assassin's Creed game. The plot itself is pretty repetitive and the big twist is predictable but I came across the game at a time when I was just starting to become an atheist and the themes within the game really connected with me and fascinated me.

In a sense Altair starts out as an atheist (at least one of the first things we see him do is ridicule the idea of the Ark of the Covenant, which turns out to be real but not because of divinity). But if Al Mualim is seen as a metaphor for religion then the story is clearly about becoming an atheist. In the beginning Altair alternates between reckless arrogance (thinking he can take Robert de Sable on his own) and blind faith (risking death by taking a literal leap of faith just to prove Al Mualim's point about how dedicated his soldiers are). Each of the nine Templars he assassinates manages to shake his worldview with their dying words, usually along the "we're not so different" line of though, exposing him to alternative points of view for the first time. Though he's unsure how to handle these challenges to the beliefs he was raised in, he implicitly trusts his master to hand him the resolution to any cognitive dissonance and at first is mostly satisfied with Al Mualim's answers, but as the game goes further he grows frustrated with contradictions ("You speak in circles, Master. You commend me for being aware, then ask me not to be. Which is it?"). The Assassin philosophy (as portrayed in the game) is ostensibly one of enlightenment through reason and skepticism, as illustrated in this wonderful exchange:

Al Mualim: Before you go, I have a question for you.
Altaïr: Of course.
Al Mualim: What is the Truth?
Altaïr: We place faith in ourselves; we see the world the way it really is, and hope that, one day, all mankind might see the same.
Al Mualim: What is the world, then?
Altaïr: An illusion. One which we can either submit to; as most do, or transcend.
Al Mualim: What is it to transcend?
Altaïr: To recognize nothing is true, and everything is permitted. That laws arise, not from divinity, but reason. I understand now that our creed does not command us to be free; it commands us to be wise.
Al Mualim: Do you see now why the Templars are a threat?
Altaïr: [Understandingly] Where as we would dispel the illusion; they would use it to rule.

And this is the philosophy Altair accepts (and comes to understand more deeply throughout his journey). But what he gradually realizes is that there is an inherent contradiction between that ideal and the way he is expected to unquestioningly serve Al Mualim. In the end Altair realizes Al Mualim is at bottom no different than the Templars (in fact, he is and ex-Templar) and that his own loyalty lies with the Assassin's creed itself (and only those parts that are true to the spirit of the above conversation) rather than the Order or its master. In other words, the abstract ideals of morality are liberated from their ties to concrete religious institutions. Finally, in the game's climax Altair stands in open defiance of his former master. Their final confrontation is probably one of my favorite cutscenes in video game history. Good stuff starts at 3:14.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fod7b7_pT90

And that's how his story ends. Al Mualim is dead and we killed him. And now Altair has to decide what to do on his own with more questions facing him than ever. Good for him.

tl;dr: Altair's transformation parallels the experience of many people who become atheists. Also I really like this game.

 No.2162

>>2137
I agree, too bad Ass Creep has now been Social Justified and the newest additions to the game collection are utter shit.

Thanks for ruining a good series, Ubisucks.

Though, what can you expect from a series made by a woman. It was bound to happen.

 No.2163

>>2133
In Bioshock 2 it was outright stated that Ryan banned any sort of public display of religion and that anything religious that was found was burned immediately. He said that people are free to worship within their own homes but let's say you're a Christian in Raputure. Where would you get your Bible? Book stores aren't allowed to sell them. There's no churches.

Ryan's kind of an example of what an atheist shouldn't be.

—–

Anyways, Isaac from Dead Space is a confirmed atheist.

 No.2164

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>>2162

>what can you expect from a series made by a woman


MRA as fuck.

 No.2165

>>2162
>>2137
The next game is going to be set in Victorian London. While technically evolution is false in the AssCreed universe (AssCreed 2 mentioned that Lucy really was a hoax.), I do wonder if it will touch on the push for a more secular science that went on during that time period.

Or if it will all be clipping through the floor and people with inverted faces.

 No.2170

>>2165
What they should have done was Feudal Japan like everyone wanted, or Ancient Egypt, but instead we got Civil war, and fucking pirates. And the most recent one was about the french revolution was it?

 No.2171

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>>2162
>what else can you expect from a multicultural team of various religious beliefs and faiths?
FTFY

 No.2173

>>2171
True.

 No.2174

>>2134
that reminded me of how great futurama is, I need to rewatch it for the 3rd time

 No.2176

>>2170
Yeah which to the period's credit, there was a push for secular philosophy in France at that time and if I recall correctly, Marcus De Sade (Something like that) was in the game he was a bit of the George Carlin of his time.

I haven't played AssCreed unity but I've watched the cutscenes on Youtube. I've thought of pirating it to see what the fuss is about.

The only game I've played is AssCreed 2 and the save file got corrupt when I was almost finished with it

 No.2177

>>2163
Ah. I never played Bioshock 2 but now that you mention it I do remember a lot of smugglers crates full of Bibles and crucifixes in Bioshock 1.

 No.2178

>>2177
The entire philosophy of Bioshock is any philosophy taken to an extreme is ultimately bad, including Andrew Ryan's. The only exception came from Daisy Fitzroy thanks to the Burial at Sea part 2 DLC where it turns out that her extremist philosophy doesn't inherently lead to terrible shit like everyone else's but she was told to be an evil asshole by those Dr Who whatever the fuck Lettuce twins.

 No.2183

>>2162
> the newest additions to the game collection are utter shit.
I've heard bad things about Unity but Assassin's Creed 4 was actually quite good. Like all the AC sequels it failed to live up to the original's thematic depth but it was still a very fun pirate game.

 No.2189

>>2183
Which one was 4?

 No.2190

>>2189
Black Flag, the one where you play as pirate Edward Kenway. Widely praised for its naval combat and exploration, also it contains some assassin stuff.

 No.2196

>>2103
>>Safe to assume Gordon Freeman is an atheist?
G Man is pretty much a deity, though.

 No.2197

>>2137
Same here. Altair becoming skeptical after falling from grace was something I could identify with after leaving the church I was part of.

I thought the debates he and Al Mualim had were an interesting concept that should have been executed better in future games. I wish they had developed them after that one instance in the second game where Ezio and the Pope have a boilerplate religious debate while fistfighting.

 No.2198

>>2164
>if you think men should have rights, you hate women
>>>/feminism/

 No.3327

>>2162
How the hell has it become Social Justified?
>>2183
Assassin's Creed unity has had a lot of criticisms. The game breaking to immersion breaking glitches, the combat system, the historical inaccuracies.

The last I find most humorous considering Ubisoft is a french company with a pretty clear bias in favor of France. Hence why despite France being incredibly opposed to Piracy, there weren't any French enemies in Black Flag because that would put them in a negative light.

However they took many liberties with the French Revolution and misrepresented the entire event as nothing but unrest and violent revolution.

What's interesting is that the game took the side against the revolutionaries.

 No.3335

>>2112
Why does it look so clean?
This is fucking garbage

 No.3377

>>2137

Wow, what an awesome write-up, Anon.

 No.4298

>>2077
>>1994
Yep. I can't stand that hip reddity faggot



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