/atheism/ - Atheism

>>3312

>Try to resume why not all movement is bad and where exactly shit went wrong.

>Take a while as some IRL things kept stopping me from writting a coherent argument.

>Finally post it in the wrong thread about ex religious peeps. Sink head in shame.

>Come back and see there's a war already on.

Look niggers, saying that feminism is the same everywhere is like saying every atheist has a uniform ideology or the same pollitical stance, it's just not possible.

It's frankly disturbing that people won't archknowledge the fact that women actually getting off their asses, going to work and voting is a GOOD thing. We know that SJWs are fucking everything up, we get it, that doesn't mean that full /pol/ is right by default and we should go back to keep women ignorant dependent and behind closed doors. It's not even the vote, we know voting doesn't do CRAP in the long run, it's the fact that the vote forces people to start being responsible about their shit, seeing how their decisions have consequences sometimes beyond their control.

And remember that not every feminist or woman is murican or dutch. Even the crazy spaniards actually pushed to make military service obligatory for them too, and to serve in infantry with the same tests applied to men, while mexican ones where asking for men to have right to inherit half their wife's pension if she died.

I don't know even how to close this post.

>>13950

Japanese women can vote, they can go to work and shit. If they choose not to, or to limit their hours, or just to suck your dick, that's ok too because it's a choice. I'd rather have it in their cultural values than in actual law.

I mean find yourself a woman to be your sub maine, that's your right.

Besides it's not as if your murican bitch wasn't able to be conditioned, it would take you a little more time but that's it.

Fuck off kike

>>13950

>in my country all women are feminist bitches, that's why I don't have one

>but foreign women would pay to suck my dick

don't be so fucking delusional. how old are you?

Because women are not equal to men and thus don't deserve the same or more rights.

>>14290

Then you are obviously a woman because you post is quiet stupid.

>>14290

Equal in what way? Doing what needs to be done? Birthing children, taking care of them, and for some getting jobs, etc. Women do what needs to be done to get by, just as we do. In your small world and small brain, maybe they're not equal to what you consider important in life but most mothers, especially if you look back in history in rural areas, they had strenuous duties just the same.

So many of you idiots think what's important to you and what's valid to you is what's objectively valid and equal. I get tired of the feminist bullshit too but at least here, it's the opposite, I find so much masculist bullshit that I make sure they know some truths, lest people like you wind up saying shit like that in the real world and looking like an idiot. I know it's edgy these days to be contrarian among the kids like it was edgy before to be a feminist, but you'll grow up one day and realize like most kids with part of a brain that you've said some stupid shit in the past.

Sage, as always for these trollish christkid threads.

>>14290

but you and I are unequal too

>>13948

But atheism isn't an ideology, it's a lack of one. Meanwhile feminism is garbage because it is an ideology and ideologies are garbage. Packaged ideas (ideologies) are for idiots who cannot think for themselves.

Atheists hate feminists? More like atheists are feminists.

>>14313

The did suveys within MRA's communities, so people that despise feminism so much that they organized to form their own political movements against it, and they came back with rates like 95% Atheist.

But well, what can I say. You made it clear in numerous posts that you have no idea, simply about anything. And the only thing you can do is throw aroud completely baseless smears.

>>14315

Yeah, and 100% of mass murderers named Joseph Stalin are also atheists, therefore all atheists are mass murderers like Joseph Stalin.

Try again.

>>3313

>can't trigger the giger

>>14315

>The did suveys within MRA's communities, so people that despise feminism so much that they organized to form their own political movements against it, and they came back with rates like 95% Atheist.

That doesn't suggest that atheists hate feminists. It suggests that people who hate feminists are likely to be atheists.

>>14326

>That doesn't suggest that atheists hate feminists.

I'm not sure why you are getting thid from.

It was only meant to show that an absolute statement like 'all atheists are feminists' is wrong.

I dont hate feminists, I hate Idealogs, and unfortunately, a lot of feminists are Idealogs.

>>14400

Where do you differentiate between ideology and holding to a set of principles? I have never met someone who had no values.

>>14404

It's great to see you have an ideology against ideologies and found a way to feel superior about it.

As Nietzsche would say, careful you don't become the monster you fight. Just give it up. There's plenty of people who may ideologies of kindness. They're no harm, there's no reason to be against them. No everyone who holds an ideology is bad and not every ideology is bad.

The same can be said with masculists, feminists, atheists, theists, etc. You're trying to paint a stripe with a brush wide as the world.

>>14404

>a non ideological person can have any opinion economically or socially, and can change or have any combination of these opinions without having them be supported on any central unchanging underling principle or having them rely on each other.

Sounds like a recipe for inconsistency & hypocrisy. What you're saying is "If I come up with my own system of beliefs and wrote a book on economics and political thought that I clung to, that's fine and not dogmatic. Yet, if I happen to subscribe tightly to the same beliefs held by someone else then I'm an "idealogue" and shouldn't be taken seriously.

I also think you've oversimplified Marxism.

>>14405

"It's great to see you have an ideology against ideologies and found a way to feel superior about it." nope, an ideology is a system of ideals and ideas. my one ideal against ideologys is not a system nor is it reliant on any other of my ideas so by definition you are wrong.

"As Nietzsche would say, careful you don't become the monster you fight. Just give it up. There's plenty of people who may ideologies of kindness. They're no harm, there's no reason to be against them. No everyone who holds an ideology is bad and not every ideology is bad." so apparently because there are good nazis who dont advocate for killing people and just want to talk about their nazism, I shouldn't dislike nazism. Now, because there are good Islamists that dont go and blow up buildings with their children, I shouldn't dislike Islamists. hey guys, Islam is a religion of peace you know? thats why they're constantly blowing themselves up and going holy crusades, but its kindness and peace so you shouldn't argue against Islam. and apparently because I argue against certain systems of belief and the idea of systems of belief in general I am now as automatically as bad as the thing as im arguing for no defined reason. wow solid arguments created by other people, really solid and not at all bankrupt and lacking in substance

you can sit there and quote people smarter than you all day rather than have an argument, but it doesn't make them or you right. you actually have to have substance to your arguments for them to be valid.

"The same can be said with masculists, feminists, atheists, theists, etc." Congratulations, you have turned ideology into a meaningless word. theism, and atheism by DEFINITION are not ideologys, they are singular stances on a singular subject. they are not reliant nor do they rely on any other belief a person holds. The only thing you know about a person when they say they are atheist is thier position on religion in general. You dont know what they think of spiritualism, you dont know anything about thier political leanings, you dont know jack shit about any other aspect of that person other than they dont take stock in religion. If that is an ideology to you then your definition of ideology is an idea. youre trying to frame me as against ideas. could you quit straw manning and actually come up with an argument please? I am against systems of beliefs and those who adhere to them. This is one opinion and not a system of opinions, so by definition it is not the thing im arguing against. please stop the idiocy of trying to turn my point against me, when you cant even understand my point.

also the whole "oh there are good people in ideologys" does not validate ideologys. Just cause there are good nazis, does not mean I shouldn't argue against nazism. just because there are good Maoists doesn't mean I shouldnt argue against Maoism. the same applies to feminists. I understand there are GOOD feminists and not all of them are bad, which is why in my previous post I put "Again, not all feminists are ideologues (like Christina Hoff summers for instance) but a lot of them are, enough to be a problem that is surfacing in universities, media outlets, and even government in some cases". Its almost like you didnt read what I said.

>>14406

"Sounds like a recipe for inconsistency & hypocrisy" and believing in a system of principles/beliefs dogmatically so the rest of the system doesn't fall apart doesn't lead to hypocrisy? real intelligent argument there buddy.

"What you're saying is 'If I come up with my own system of beliefs and wrote a book on economics and political thought that I clung to, that's fine and not dogmatic." no, the definition of dogmatic is inclined to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true. So by clinging to a system of beliefs, regardless of if they are yours or someone elses is ideological. If each idea is reliant on another idea in the system, then you have created an ideology. an ideology is almost impossible to modify without the aid of the authority of said ideology.

for instance, unless the pope comes out and says that god is ok with gay people and adultery, arguing with a catholic about it is like arguing with a brick wall, because they must hold that belief or they are not being a good catholic. them being good in the eyes of god relies on them believing all the words of god. You can argue with a feminist all day about the faulty studies that support their wage gap theory, they will not budge regardless of how much evidence you provide or how good your arguments are, because they must believe that otherwise a huge talking point of feminism falls apart and they will not be a good feminist in the eyes of other feminists. This is the main reason im against ideology, because it promotes believing ideas regardless of if they are actually supported solely on the basis that they are required to support the rest of the system.

ideologues, should be taken very seriously and argued against on public forums whenever the opportunity presents itself. The only way to stop the spread of an ideology, is to point out how fucking stupid it is to the people not already indoctrinated.

"I also think you've oversimplified Marxism" I wasn't trying to explain Marxism, I was explaining a central tenant of Marxism that must be believed for the rest of the system to make sense.