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 No.3413

If you could start an "Atheist School" for the sons of Atheists, what would it be like?

I would make the "Catholic School girl" look the official uniform, and have film studies on Star Trek episodes. My school would specialize in math, science, and computer science, but it would also include "bullshit detection training" courses. It would offer a class in religious studies for a semester that covered the history of all major religions, and which discussed superstition. Philosophy / Critical thinking would also be required in 10th grade, and there would be a few courses in geography/world history.

 No.3414

Like a normal school, but without theology

 No.3415

>the complete history of all major religions
>one semester

 No.3416

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>>3413
I like school girl uniforms just as much as the next guy but this is silly idea.

Atheism doesn't have an Agenda or a Dogma. Some Atheists want to spread the word, some Atheists tolerate religion, some atheists don't care either way.

I suspect a lot of religious people are actually atheists,, They just follow their traditions and avoid thinking about it.

 No.3419

>>3413
If by "Atheist School" you mean a school that teaches students to be atheist and flunks them if they say that God is real, then I wouldn't start one. I do like the idea of teaching philosophy early on, particularly logic and epistemology and I would ensure that arguments for and against God were taught and the arguments against weren't weak shit.

 No.3423

Personally I'd like to see a school that completely lacked liberal arts in the curriculum except for technical writing. The point is to minimize all political indoctrination.

 No.3425

>>3423
By engraining autism?

 No.3426

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>>3425
>triggered

 No.3428

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>>3426
>chaffed

 No.3429

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>>3428
>traumatized

 No.3431

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>>3429
>$165.4 million

 No.3432

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>>3431
>$13.25 billion, actually looks aesthetically pleasing (doesn't require postmodernism to sell to dipshits), and actually does something

 No.3433

>>3423
>>3426
>>3429
>>3432
m8 are you literally autistic? Besides, if anything not teaching any liberal arts would leave people more open to indoctrination because they wouldn't know shit about history.

 No.3434

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>>3432
>Rich folk pay for it out of pocket
>Doesn't require government subsidy to operate
>8% of monetary value for 1/billionth of the work
>Can get you in bed with the oodles of young women going through liberal arts

 No.3436

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>>3433
Wrong, the whole point of liberal arts was to indoctrinate the future intelligentsia with the poetically correct outlook.

The history you learn is from the official book but isn't necessarily the truth of what happened, it isn't objective like STEM. History is written by victors and they always spin the accounts so they sound favorable to them. There would be a logic class so that students will be taught skepticism and to question everything which will make them resilient to indoctrination. Meanwhile your liberal arts system is indoctrination.

 No.3437

>>3434
And how many pomos tried to sell this garbage and are penniless? Most. You probably have better odds of winning the lottery than selling a piece of garbage like that to some rich idiot.

 No.3439

>>3436
politically correct*

 No.3440

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>>3437
It's fine, because the art and poetry majors that don't make it can always rely on welfare checks extracted from the tax dollars of engineering and physics majors. We really appreciate your guys' aid towards the humanities

 No.3444

>>3436
>History is written by victors and they always spin the accounts so they sound favorable to them.
Then why are people so sympathetic to Native Americans?

 No.3446

>>3440
#ouch

 No.3447

>>3444
Because SJWs are the current victors.

 No.3449

>>3447
Bullshit, sjws don't control shit.

 No.3452

>>3449
SJWs, egalitarians, libertarians, secular and non humanists, etc.

If Hitler won we'd be singing a different tune. If USSR won who knows. Modern history is written sympathetically for Native Americans because of how liberalism developed and since that's mostly what people are exposed to so wonder why.

 No.3453

>>3452
*non secular

 No.3454

>>3452
*liberals not libertarians

I'm so fucking tired, today has been too long. Night, atheism.

 No.3455

>>3452
>libertarians
Yep, because there are so many of them in federal offices. What are we up to, three or four if you count Republicans with libertarian leanings?

>If Hitler won we'd be singing a different tune

I don't doubt it but only because then the humanities actually would teach nothing but propaganda.

 No.3456

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>>3455
>implying humanities don't teach anything but propaganda now

Not libertarians. Misspell-corrected.

Anyway, night.

 No.3457

>>3456
>implying humanities teach anything but propaganda now*

I'm so tired of this and today, why can't we have a delete post button?

Just 1 thing, the fact that media took Goebbels' books on how to control a populace is quite telling. So to say this is any different, yeah more or less aesthetically, but I don't like rap.

Now really night. I'm too tired.

 No.3458

>>3452
It's not worth editing your typos over and over until you make a thread unreadable.

 No.3459

Ignoring the inane idea of an atheist school when schools are supposed to be secular…

I do think a school that teaches a course in philosophy/discourse would be good. It can help students develop critical thinking skills.

The sciences would obviously be necessary but I think the arts would too. I know a lot of people here are "hurrdurr art can't get jobs" and shit but a class that actually teaches the fundamentals of art such as perspective, color theory, etc would do students looking to get into the arts well.

Would you rather have some people with actual knowledge about art trying to make their mark on the art world or would you rather it all continue to be bullshitters saying random paint thrown on a canvas is their criticism of the patriarchy or some shit?

 No.3463

>>3440

yes everyone just aims to be on welfare checks people are so happy and content with that.

 No.3465

>>3415
semester is like what? 14 weeks or so?
one weeks for introduction and prehistorical tribal religions
four for Roman, Greek and Norse mythology
two for christians and jews, another for the new testemony
two for islam
three for eastern such as buddhism and hinduism
two for modern religions, including "atheist" ideologies like communism

that's plenty of time to learn the basics of each mythology, effects it had and has on the world, where it started, where it's popular and so on

nobody said anything about complete history of religions

>>3436
I do too like 1984 and Fahrenheit 451, but that's hyperbolical fiction, not factual decription on how dictatorships work, let alone western civilisation

sure, history isn't 100% objective, but there are shitloads of evidence, literal or archeological, for 20th century there are still fair amount of people who actually remember WWII
sure, middle ages are relatively open to some interpretation, partly because almost nobody could write beside christian scholars, but from about 16th century, history is pretty unbiased

 No.3469

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>>3434
This is the sort of thing I hate so very very much about post modernist art. (see picture)

This is a Rothko. Anyone could make one of those, and no one would care. But this particular piece of trash is worth thousands of dollars because Rothko slapped the paint on it.

A work of art should be able to stand on it's own.

 No.3478

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>>3465
>let alone western civilisation
Brave New World is better at hyperbolic description of that.

>but there are shitloads of evidence

And shitloads of interpretations of that evidence.

>are still fair amount of people who actually remember WWII

Personal accounts of people who hate the Nazis may actually make the Nazis seem worse than they actually were. Also perception is really a bad thing to use as evidence as its subject to so many blunders.

> but from about 16th century, history is pretty unbiased

You're kidding right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_9/11_Commission#Conflicts_of_interest

Also video very related.

 No.3521

>>3478
>shitloads of interpretations of that evidence.
yes, but some of them are closer to reality than others
It's not like historians just make random assumptions. And there are many ways to experimentally prove that artefact/documnet XXX is from n-th century or not.

>make the Nazis seem worse than they actually were

there are also still living nazies
but I think I see where are you going with that, the problem with that view is that there is more evidence against them than say, communists saying "I hate nazies, they bad" and writing down how bad.
There is a difference between scepticism and denial. There are actually flat-earthers and people who don't believe in moon or evolution, you can disprove anything by not acknowledging evidence by denying their validity (denying, not disproving)

>perception is really a bad thing to use as evidence as its subject to so many blunders

that's why it's not used in courts as possible evidence either, right?

what I meant were major historical events that are well documented, with many independent sources, not written by essentially a single source.
Sure, we can speculate whenever (for example) Elvis liked chicken or not, but events such as WWII are pretty much crystal clear.

I'm not sure what your point is. That history isn't 100% true, therefore it can be dismissed altogether? Not bother learning anything from it because there are couple of uncertainness? Don't even bother with writing history because in thousands of years it will get misinterpreted?

 No.3527

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>>3521
>It's not like historians just make random assumptions
Many spin history to their ideology even to this day. It's a subjective interpretation, there's bound to be even accidental political spin. Especially given this attitude that there is no political spin, it's the perfect climate for spin. Political control works best when the party under control isn't even aware of it.
>And there are many ways to experimentally prove that artefact/documnet XXX is from n-th century or not.
So you can carbon date it. Prove that this long lost artifact actually belonged to said person, this is not that simple. There were many people that owned a similar artifact, lets say it was a musket from the civil war. How do you know this was used by a black confederate? It was only found on the battle where there were black confederates but they weren't alone.
> the problem with that view is that there is more evidence against them than say, communists saying "I hate nazies, they bad" and writing down how bad.
I'm not saying the Nazis were good guys, just that the way history is probably written in a way to exaggerates their perceived evil. Also how much Nazism is used to label anyone who isn't politically correct.
>There is a difference between scepticism and denial.
Well yeah, denial isn't a position found through skepticism.
>what I meant were major historical events that are well documented
So is scripture. And like scripture there are contradictory accounts.
> with many independent sources, not written by essentially a single source.
Asch conformity.
>Sure, we can speculate whenever (for example) Elvis liked chicken or not, but events such as WWII are pretty much crystal clear.
Don't mistake me as a holocaust denier buy why is it against the law in certain countries to question the official story? The offensive to Jews and Gypsies argument sounds more like an excuse. Seriously, if history is going to be like science, everything needs to be scrutinized, whats stands scrutiny is what approaches truth. Questioning evolution is not illegal and shouldn't be but the little details are constantly studied and adapted to new research (not contradicting evolution, just adding to it like the stuff with those thermodynamic models in abiogenesis and whatever).

But there is real suppression to historians (video very related) who question the accuracy of official accounts, the fact is history also plays a political role. What is deemed the official truth may not be but people will believe it because it has the official seal. And so many things that were at the time conspiracy theories came true. Look at Wikileaks. If anything there is so much evidence this society fucks with its citizenry idk why you would trust the ivory tower guys who write the policies. If we're going to talk skepticism, then history should be taken with a grain of salt.

And regarding salt I think the further back you go the more objective things may actually get because people have less emotional ties to it. So what if the ancient Egyptians did something years ago? People generally won't care. But communists, nazis, capitalists, whoever doing something a bit back? That's the shit Orwell was talking about and yeah it was hyperbolic exaggeration, it's not quite like that, but he got at the core idea. Why controlling history controls the future and how real it can be made.
>That history isn't 100% true, therefore it can be dismissed altogether?
No, that history is best learned in after having a strong background in skepticism and critical thinking without someone lecturing you on how to ideologically look at something or fail or be taken to prison. History should be taught as an approach rather than regurgitation of facts and factoids.

 No.3528

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>>3527
That should be: "so is scripture to those who believe in it."

 No.3602

We don't need atheist schools. We need regular school that isn't biased towards any religion.



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