/atheism/ - Atheism

Probably an afterlife where you can explore every possible universe that can exist. You'd never get bored of that

>>3462
>It seems likely that humans will one day find a way to escape death and might even create some kind of afterlife.
No it doesn't.

>>3474
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I'd let people have whatever afterlife they wanted. Honestly, it seems like the most interesting one would be that you get put in a robot and explore the universe for billions of years. Let people have the virtual reality option, though. There would probably be a lot of demand for people to design afterlives, actually. It'd be fun to dip in and try living in a fantasy world sometimes, but I'd rather fly around the universe looking for dank aliens or getting my own planet (like a Mormon) and creating life there so I could study it.

>>3474
You don't think that humans after constantly trying to extend life through medical science will one day find a way to escape death by some means?

>>3474
probably true, but irrelevant
the topic is "design heaven", not "is afterlife possible?"

>>3518
>sir
Back to Reddit with you.

>>3513
Yes, I don't think so. If humans are able to manipulate their life forever, and escape their own death and live forever without any natural disasters in space or earth, they would be god like.

>>3531
But I'm not saying they ARE able to do that. I'm postulating that they might EVENTUALLY be able to do that. As in the future.

>>3552
You assert it's impossible with absolutely no reason other than stating it's impossible.

>>3569
God damn that's a nice painting

>>3570
Got to love those Dutch Masters!

>>3571
>>3570
Alchemy

>>3569
Now you're using false equivocation. You still haven't demonstrated to any degree that what OP was talking about is impossible.

And that's on top of the fact that you're just bitching about a minor comment rather than addressing the actual question.

You really suck at debating, dude.

>>3569
It's funny because modern nuclear science has indeed found a way to turn other metals into gold.

>>3592
Not the other anon but
>Through out history, everyone who was ever born has died
False, there are tons of people who haven't died, including you and me :^)
You should have said something like "No one has ever lived longer than 150 years".

>>3592
>>3603
Congratulations, you've finally made an argument that isn't just stating the contrary or using a logical fallacy.

First of all, that's not god of the gaps logic. God of the gaps logic is inserting a non answer (usually a supernatural one) into what we currently do not know. We don't know how life started thus God must have done it.

You have the chart right in front of you and you still got the fallacy wrong.

Also what you've stated is composition/division fallacy. That because everyone who has been alive (more accurately let's say anyone who has been alive 150 years ago) has died, that means that it's impossible that by some technological means people will find a way to "live forever."

Now I don't know what goes on in your mind but it sounds like you think the only way to live forever is some wildly impossible means like literally having a human being be immortal flesh and all.

However that's not the case. If we accept the notion that a person is the sum of his experiences, that means that only the memories have to be saved in a way that they don't deteriorate in order to live forever. To argue against this would be to argue against what truly constitutes as a person but not necessarily how to live forever.

Considering that memories are a phenomenon that occurs in the physical world, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch of the imagination that medical and neurological science might find a way to save that part of the brain and convert it into something more permanent.

Will this happen in the next 5 years? Very very likely no. Hell, I'll probably be dead before such a thing even becomes remotely possible but you seem to act like just because something is outside of our current technological ability means that it will be impossible until the end of time.

You think too small, anon.

>>3520
>Being this euphoric
Back to /christian/ with you.

>>3604
I'm not happy about morality either, but I accept it.

Progress in not limitless.

In fact, it's coming to end in this century. goggle peak oil, peak phosphorus, fossil aquifer depletion, over fishing, deforestation, and Malthusian crisis.

Praying won't stop what's coming and neither will blind faith that someone will just invent something that will make it all better.

>>3623
No one's praying and no one has blind faith. Time and time again you've just asserted the most basic of things without bothering to back them up.

"This is impossible because I, the poster here, say it is." You're content with your own mortality. Good for you, champ. I'm sure you'd fit nicely with the people content that diseases can't be combatted or that religious intolerance will always exist in the world.

Meanwhile, try not to step on the toes of people who see a problem, assert a solution is impossible, and then declare anyone trying to postulate a possible solution to be alchemists. Okay, bucko?

>>3617
>Unironically using euphoric as an insult
Back to Tumblr with you.

>>3634
You must realize that downloading your brain's contents into machine won't make you immortal. You'll have a copy. You'll have a machine that thinks it's you.

You will die with your consciousness.
Your individual consciousness is the result of biological processes in your brain that we don't understand.

When that mass of tissue stops functioning you cease to exist.

and your comparison to flight is invalid.

The existence of flying creatures proved it was possible. It was only a matter of finding light enough materials and generating the thrust.

>>3663

>The existence of flying creatures proved it was possible.

There also are creatures that show biological immortality.

For example planarian flatworms exhibit limitless telomere regenerative capacity.

The comparison to flight is valid.

>>3663
Your point?

>>3667
Great!

I hope you enjoy living forever with the intellect of flatworm.

>>3668

The point is that transhumanism is a fantasy.

>>3670
>intellect of flatworm.

That would be enough to fend off your style of arguing.

>>3663
>You must realize that downloading your brain's contents into machine won't make you immortal. You'll have a copy. You'll have a machine that thinks it's you.
Fair enough though not exactly what I was discussing.

>and your comparison to flight is invalid. The existence of flying creatures proved it was possible.

Your refutation does not cover my argument. The argument in the comic was if humans, without the use of technology, would be able to fly.

The fact that other creatures can fly and have biological mechanisms that allow them to do so proves the point of my comics. Why is it impossible for humans to fly without technology? Because we lack features like wings.

Why can't humans transfer their consciousness into a machine.

"……."

>>3674
You're not ripping anyone to shreds here, bro. You're misrepresenting other people's arguments, using various fallacies, and have now resorted to quick one line zingers in the face of people making arguments against your position.

What do you have to say about the fact that flatworms technically exhibit biological immortality other than "Hurr so ya have the brain of flatworm!!! xDDD".

>>3670
Transhumanism is not a fantasy, and it's already in it's early stages.

>>3730
Considering how amnesia exists it's not unreasonable to assume that maybe people might find a way to selectively wipe memories. It would be great for psychological purposes.

Oh wait, I'm sorry. The technology doesn't exist yet so it's impossible. Replacing god with science yada yada you're a flatworm hurrdurr.

>>3731

>find a way to selectively wipe memories

This would be the consequence.

>>3690
Who the fuck wants to live forever. The fact that you accuse another atheist of that tells me that you yourself are afraid of death.

The only people who are afraid of death are those who have not lived life.

>>3761
Whoa. Capitalism turns everything into a commodity.

>>3764
>Who the fuck wants to live forever.

You would be surprised.

I have close relatives who work with cancer patients, daily, and there are a lot of people in a state of relative healthiness who say that they'd reject any life-extending treatments, arguing that such an unbearable existence hardly constitutes life.

But when it really comes down to it and death came/comes close a lot of people become increasingly satisfied with it and bear it.

>>3813

Oh, I'm sorry. I worded my post poorly since English isn't my native language.

I was agreeing with you. What I was trying to say that these people become cling to live even with life-extending measures, even if they said before that they wouldn't do it.