730547 No.3837
Hi Atheist -
wanted to point out this thread
http://8ch.net/islam/res/3903.html2 points
first, I think this thread debunks the Islam board on 8chan. It is evidence that the Islam board doesn't believe Islam is the truth. Proof include such quotes as
Since we're human we can make mistakes about it; picking the "True" religion is just silly because we are fallible.
>I try to pick what I find the most loving, beautiful and helpful in my life and for others.and
>If only men realized their own fallibility when yelling about Truth.and
>I always liked the saying, "I have no problem with the practice of religion, but I fear people who claim to have it perfected."Since the islam board has set itself as a bastion of moderate islam, we can safely conclude that moderate slam is not a legitimate sincere belief, they dont believe in this koran or Mohammed stuff, its just a social and cultural group of them. And in my mind, lack of sincere belief amongst adherents of a religion is enough to debunk religious claims. We need not take moderate Islam any more seriously than it takes itself, and since it does not regard itself as the truth, neither should we.
second this ban seems excessive and any who raise legitimate questions about Islam seem to get banned. So my question is why the double standard - why do you constantly voice criticism about Christianity's moderation but say nothing of the even stricter moderation on Islam. Under the circumstances, can you really claim to be doing anything other than targeting Christianity specifically because you object to our particular religious views. And isnt that proof that you guys arent really atheists (people opposed to religion) so much as you are anti-Christians.
f05105 No.3838
Islam discredits itself, it doesn't need it's proponents to do that.
7c5220 No.3843
They are technically correct, humans aren't perfect. I'd wonder if they'd be willing to admit that even their prophet isn't perfect as well.
The fact of the matter is none of these religions can be claimed to be 100% true because they've gone through so many changes over the years. Things have been discovered and they needed to be updated. Morality has changed and they had to adapt. Etc.
When it comes to people like Muhammad or Paul or Buddha, etc, these are a bunch of imperfect beings trying to transcribe the message of a perfect being. If mankind is unable to understand the full mind of God, it's very well possible that all the Abrahamic faiths are based on a faulty set of interpretations.
But the fact that mankind isn't perfect also leads room open for the idea that man was completely mistaken about there being a God. We may very well have fucked up.
7c5220 No.3844
>>3837>second this ban seems excessive and any who raise legitimate questions about Islam seem to get banned. So my question is why the double standard - why do you constantly voice criticism about Christianity's moderation but say nothing of the even stricter moderation on Islam. Some of the /christian/ moderation threads are by actual christians who were banned for disagreeing with the leading mods. Part of it could also be because /christian/ is one of the top 25 boards so it's much more open to criticism.
>Under the circumstances, can you really claim to be doing anything other than targeting Christianity specifically because you object to our particular religious views. Yes, actually. Because if you browse around you'll notice that this board isn't just shitting on christians. Your board might be the most mentioned when it comes to bans on 8chan but there's a fair number of posts railing against Islam, SJWism, spirituality, etc.
> And isnt that proof that you guys arent really atheists (people opposed to religion)Being an atheist doesn't mean you're opposed to religion. It simply means you lack a belief in a god.
Anti-theism is however common among atheists.
>so much as you are anti-Christians.You have confirmation bias, bro.
946437 No.3852
tl;dr waaah muslims are bad too why do you focus on us
Because we live in the western world where Islam does not have an iron grip on society like Christianity does. The only people outside of Islam who defend it are naive religious moderate advocates and a very new idiotic strain of the SJW virus.
You're just pissy because a Christian got banned from the Islam board for exactly the kind of thing that an atheist or Muslim would get banned for on /christian/ after making exactly the same kind of observation about Islam that others do about Christianity, and rather than realizing this, you decided to whine about why atheists come after you guys too and not just those dirty Muslims.
You are both wrong for exactly the same reasons, and you both get criticized for it. If this surprises or upsets you, then perhaps you should spend more time outside of your echo chamber so you can at least build up a tougher hide, or God help us all, process new information and adjust your conclusions based upon it.
4ba62b No.3855
>>3852Different person, to be fair OP we criticize Islam all the time here, it's just the /islam/ board is pretty small, sort of out of our attention, and they seem more lenient and less obnoxious than /christian/. They still obviously have problems as you've demonstrated.
730547 No.3860
>>3852well you guys made a proposition, why don't we test that, go make a thread on Christian saying "It seems to me like you guys don't really believe in this stuff because . . . >insert reasons here<)
Maybe we are more obnoxious (as in we wouldn't s easily admit that our holy book and our main figures are faillaible and not the truth) but I think when it comes to bans Islam is alot stricter.
> If this surprises or upsets you, then perhaps you should spend more time outside of your echo chamber so you can at least build up a tougher hide, or God help us all, process new information and adjust your conclusions based upon it.what I am using this is arguement for a point, which is that atheists is not a fair label for you, the correct label would be anti-christians because you seem to be working for a world without Christianity or against Christianity rather than working for a world without religion as you claim
946437 No.3861
>>3860why don't we test that, go make a thread on Christian saying "It seems to me like you guys don't really believe in this stuff because . . . >insert reasons here<
We already have a thread about /christian/ bans. Even from Christians themselves:
>>3475
>Maybe we are more obnoxious"Obnoxious" is not specific enough. Islam is more overtly violent and domineering, whereas Christianity has a much better grasp on populist propaganda tactics. Don't think that I have less hatred in my heart for Islam than I do for Christianity. Islam is like a miserable plague which sweeps through civilization leaving death and destruction in its wake, whereas Christianity is like an STD that is treatable but never goes away once you catch it.
>what I am using this is arguement for a pointHas anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
>which is that atheists is not a fair label for you, the correct label would be anti-christians because you seem to be working for a world without Christianity or against Christianity rather than working for a world without religion as you claimFar be it from me to expect a Christian to accept the notion that they are not the center of the universe.
730547 No.3865
>>3861no you guys are deflecting and ignoring the real point here
there are several fedora therads and fedora posts on Christian now including ones that criticize and insult Christianity and our beliefs
now compare islam - a kuffir cannot say anothing negative about islam or muslims - or ban, and this is consistent with beliefs of islam (as in Kuffir are second class citizens - literally according to their law)
so when it comes to the vocal critisim about Christian moderation (and yes you have a thread about it) compared with the complete silence about islam moderation - you guys are being hypocritical and setting up a double standard.
1de2a3 No.3866
1de2a3 No.3867
>>3837>why do you constantly voice criticism about Christianity's moderation but say nothing of the even stricter moderation on IslamMainly because few /atheism/ posters (/atheist/s? /atheism/ers? /atheism/ites?) go to /islam/. There are two reasons for this.
1. /islam/ isn't in the top 25 boards so people aren't as likely to even know it exists, much less pay any attention to it.
2. Most of us have had a lot more contact with Christianity than with Islam in our lives. Speaking for myself, I have a rough familiarity with the history of Islam and strongly object to many of the social practices that it seems to encourage, but as for actually knowing anything about the Quran I'm pretty ignorant. I'd probably get instantly BTFO if I tried to debate Islam with a Muslim, so I won't try.
Meanwhile most of us have grown up in Western countries where Christianity is popular and are familiar with certain Bible passages, stories, doctrines and Christian philosophers if only through cultural osmosis, so we're much more at home debating Christians.
b15f8b No.3869
>>3867This. I disagree with Islam, and have read dumb lines in the Coran, but I'm much more knowledgeable about Christianity which I grew up with. I do not live in an Islamic country, and what they do does not affect me except when I read the news. If I saw two Muslims debating I'd prefer to take a back seat rather than having them dance around me with scripture I haven't read. If I see Christians debating I'm much more interested in shooting holes in their arguments because I've read the scripture and come to my own conclusions about their arguments.
Why should I educate myself on the Islamic minority just so I can debate them when it has no bearing on my life? I already have strong evidence their religion is full of shit, I don't see any reason to find more evidence of that. I'd rather continue to point out how inconsistent and morally flawed the bible that I read is to any Christian who has the willingness to listen to my PoV.
0684f5 No.3871
>>3869>Islam isn't a problem in the WestI wish. And it's going to become a greater and greater problem as the demographic shift continues. It may become as big of a problem if not bigger than Christianity.
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/02/28/resources-on-the-future-of-the-global-muslim-population/>The Future of the Global Muslim Population, a recent report by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life, finds that the world’s Muslim population is expected to increase by about 35% in the next 20 years, rising from 1.6 billion in 2010 to 2.2 billion by 2030.http://www.pewforum.org/interactives/muslim-population-graphic/Europe is already 5.8% of these idiots and is expected to get to 7.8% by 2030. Might not seem like much but a religion growing is always a bad sign. While Christian idiots are in decline these idiots are on the rise.
f05105 No.3873
>>3871I don't know who is worse.
946437 No.3874
>>3865
>no you guys are deflecting and ignoring the real point here Coming from a Christian who is trying to dodge criticism by pointing at another religion, this is comedy gold. Projection at its finest. In case you need this spelled out for you, you are deflecting criticism of Christians by pointing to Muslims, while claiming that Atheists are using deflection, and you are saying both of these things in the same sentence.
>there are several fedora therads and fedora posts on Christian now including ones that criticize and insult Christianity and our beliefs Once again you commit the crime that you cry about. You're upset that atheists are criticizing and "insulting" Christianity, while referring to atheist posts and threads as "fedora threads and fedora posts." This is fucking classic. Amazing. You get a gold star, buddy. I tip my fedora to you in salute.
>so when it comes to the vocal critisim about Christian moderation (and yes you have a thread about it) compared with the complete silence about islam moderation - you guys are being hypocritical and setting up a double standard.Again, thinking that you are the center of the universe does not change the facts. We do criticize Islam when it comes up:
>>3684But don't confuse yourself into thinking that we owe you that. You cannot dictate what we talk about and what our priorities are - if you want to be in the company of control freaks who like to write the script for what kind of conversations you can have, you will find yourself in good company on /christian/.
It is absolutely asinine to think you can storm on into someone else's clubhouse and dictate to them what their meetings will be about. You don't like how much heat you get from us? Suck it up or call the waahmbulance. This complaint is so fucking petty that I can't find any other way to react but to roll my eyes nearly into the back of my head when you try to call it "hypocrisy."
7c5220 No.3875
>>3865>And yes you have a thread about itWe do, you you seem to ignore the part where it was made by a christian again /christian/
https://8ch.net/atheism/res/3475.htmlThat's on page 2. I'm on the front page and I see threads on spirituality, SJWs and ISLAM, video games and atheism, rational wiki, Dawkins/Harris/Dennet/Hitchens, two related to the afterlife, Cracked.com, etc.
Again you have confirmation bias. You see a thread about the mods on /christian/, not even the board itself or the religion per say but how the board is moderated, and you completely drop your spaghetti wondering why we aren't shitting on other boards like /islam/.
But by the same standards that we're shitting on /christian/, we're now shitting on /islam/. First it was a christian shitting on /christian/ and now it's a /christian/ shitting on /islam/. So congratulations on defeating your own point.
>so when it comes to the vocal critisim about Christian moderation (and yes you have a thread about it) compared with the complete silence about islam moderation - you guys are being hypocritical and setting up a double standard.How is it hypocritical? None of us went to /islam/ and replied to a bunch of people trying to act reasonable about their faith in hopes of attracting more people with a shitting little gotcha message.
It's like saying we're being hypocritical because we have threads about the paranormal and afterlife but none on UFO mysticism. This is a small and relatively slow moving board. Clearly we're not going to get to shitting on every board at once.
730547 No.3876
>>3875>How is it hypocritical? None of us went to /islam/ and replied to a bunch of people trying to act reasonable about their faith in hopes of attracting more people with a shitting little gotcha message.exactly, see you defend moderation on Islam that shuts off any critism while critisizing less severe moderation on Christian - because you are not even handed in your criticism of religions, you attack something when it's done by christians and then defend it when the same thing is done by a religion other than Christianity
730547 No.3877
also you are right, none of you do go to Islam and bring even half or quarter of the criticism that your bring against Christianity, because again you are not even handed - while presenting yourself as liberators from false belief, you are really just here to attack one specific belief
Islam openly admits that they don't believe that the Koran is true, and they don't believe that Mohammed is the true prophet - and what do I hear from Atheistm? Nothing - silence?
Are you trying to go and use this opportunity to break poor muslikms out of the spell of false belief and fanatsies = no - crickets, utter silence. Because social conserns and freedom from false belief and everything else is just a ruse for /atheism/ you aren't sincere about any of that, what the goal here is to attack Christainity, and if it were not so, at last one of you would have gone on Islam and at least at this opening, tried to use it to free some people from their religion.
946437 No.3878
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>>3876
>exactly, see you defend moderation on IslamNo, actually nobody defended the moderation on /islam/. At all. Not even once.
>you attack something when it's done by christians and then defend it when the same thing is done by a religion other than ChristianityAgain, no, atheists are not defending other religions. How you bridge the gap between "atheists don't attack other religions as much as I'd like them to" and "atheists defend other religions" is something you'll have to explain before I can understand it.
You are seeing something that isn't there, plain and simple.
>none of you do go to Islam and bring even half or quarter of the criticism that your bring against Christianity, because again you are not even handed - while presenting yourself as liberators from false belief, you are really just here to attack one specific belief So you don't see us going to /islam/ to criticize them at the same rate that you see us going to /christian/ to criticize you. Never mind the bans that you don't see, but consider the following: when was the last time you saw a Muslim come to /atheism/ to start an argument with or fling shit at us? It's a weekly occurrence for someone to come over here fresh from their Christian Apologetics 101 tutorial to spout some long-ago debunked logical fallacy at us; this thread being a prime example. It ruffles our feathers and invites retaliation.
It's simple; Christians attempt to proselytize to out-groups a lot more than Muslims (who prefer to conquer), so Christians get hit with counterarguments much more frequently. You get this shit because you stir the pot.
That satisfy your curiosity? Or were you just here to fling shit?
730547 No.3879
>>3878> None of us went to /islam/ and replied to a bunch of people trying to act reasonable about their faith in hopes of attracting more people with a shitting little gotcha message.this statement by
>>3875looks to me like a defencde of the moderation practice on islam
>Christians attempt to proselytize to out-groups a lot more than Muslims (who prefer to conquer), so Christians get hit with counterarguments much more frequently. You get this shit because you stir the pot.so what? You focus more on Christaintiy because revenge? That's awfully childish and still not in line with stated goals of spreading enlightenment.
Here Islam is admitting that they don't really believe that stuff, which would be the prefect opening for an atheist to go and spread their message - but no silence. Meanwhile several atheist threads on christian every day.
for goodness sake just be honest - your beef is with Christianity not with religion
387368 No.3880
>>3837>atheists (people opposed to religion)That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
946437 No.3881
>>3879
>looks to me like a defencde of the moderation practice on islam That's because you lack reading comprehension. You also lack the ability to type out a full sentence without fucking up the spelling of a word and you are constantly fucking up your punctuation, so it follows that you can't quite read properly. Please try to be more literate.
>so what?Nice rebuttal. I especially like how it addresses your oversight and my point in one graceful act.
>You focus more on Christaintiy because revenge?Yes, uh…revenge. Arguing with people who frequently come to your board to start arguments with you. I would have chosen a less dramatic word to describe the majestic phenomenon known as an internet argument, but hey, if you need to couch everything in the most dramatic terms possible, who am I to stop you?
>Here Islam is admitting that they don't really believe that stuff, which would be the prefect opening for an atheist to go and spread their message - but no silence.Are you…upset that a bunch of atheists didn't come along with you on your crusade to bash /islam/? Is that what this is about? Did you think the enemy of your enemy was obligated to be your friend? Were you seriously expecting us to join your crusade against them on your whim?
>for goodness sake just be honest - your beef is with Christianity not with religionAgain with the "I'm the center of the universe" mentality. Remember when I said that Muslim fuckery is more overt and Christians are more into populist propaganda? This victim narrative you whiny fucks constantly peddle is a large part of that. You guys were the ones who invented the term "martyr" and it perfectly encapsulates your constant narrative of being targeted and oppressed by everyone around you, as if you're the only ones who ever get dumped on ever, meanwhile you completely ignore the horseshit you initiate against others.
You are acting like a kid who throws snowballs at other kids and then cries when someone throws a snowball back at you. It isn't even harmful and you're whipping up a victim narrative about it.
b15f8b No.3882
>>3879>Here Islam is admitting that they don't really believe that stuff, which would be the prefect opening for an atheist to go and spread their message - but no silence.So you read this and then your whole point in coming here, was to try and get us to attack the Islam board. If you have a problem with Islam, you and your /christian/ board can crusade and deal with it yourself. Not everyone cares as much about flinging shit at Muslims as you do.
> for goodness sake just be honest - your beef is with Christianity not with religionI don't speak for everyone but I was a Christian and any beef I have with it is because it because it did me more harm than good, even playing a factor in what I majored in unfortunately. If I had been a Muslim who had left the faith due to problems, I would be knowledgable about it and have beef with it. If I were a Christian who'd left the religion without it causing me pain and bad decisions, I would resent it a little less. Some of us are probably like that, and those raised in agnostic households tend to be that way. I personally wouldn't go back to it knowing how flawed the bible is, and if it's working for someone I usually keep my mouth shut unless they're eager to listen to me, but if they join a cult of Christianity and it causes them pain I face a dilemna of whether to argue with them.
Does that help you to understand where one of us is coming from? Btw I'm not the guy you replied to.
730547 No.3883
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>>3881no you are lost
Islam bans OP
and your response
>> None of us went to /islam/ and replied to a bunch of people trying to act reasonable about their faith in hopes of attracting more people with a shitting little gotcha message.meanwhile Christian bans this guy
http://8ch.net/atheism/res/3475.htmlfor saying
>"Fuck your idols', and posating an image of a broken crucifix nd it has been used over and over in this thread even as an example of harsh moderation
maybe you can claim you are neutral and even handed and dont have a bone to pick with particular religious beliefs while totally being cool with others, but hey, the dishoesty shines throuhg
also - here photo of the catlog so you cant continue in your lies - the only christian attack on Atheism is this thread, and it is well deserved, so your whole claim about us constantly coming here and attacking you is bullocks
243c09 No.3884
>>3883The word attack sounds so childish for an internet argument. We deal with Christian "attacks" all the time with good grace, like from statuefag.
https://8ch.net/atheism/res/1508.htmlBtw for anyone interested they're discussing that so called miracle again on the Christian board.
http://8ch.net/christian/res/40172.html#q41434 946437 No.3885
>>3883That was not my response; that was another guy (thread IDs would really help this board for reasons such as this), and I don't think either one of us understands what he meant by that statement. In particular, the clause:
>a bunch of people trying to act reasonable about their faith in hopes of attracting more people with a shitting little gotcha message.appears to indicate that he is accusing Muslims of pretending to be moderate in order to draw in critics and slam them with "a shitting little gotcha message." But this is not entirely clear.
You are jumping to a conclusion without asking for clarification, and I condemn that. If you are upset by what that anon said, you should double check before assuming the worst and flying off the handle about it.
You also ignored the entire rest of my post, which was super awesome of you. I'm glad you expect me to take you seriously when you ignore everything I say. That's a real great way to move a discussion forward.
1de2a3 No.3886
>>3882>picI hate when quotes like that are taken out of context, like people can't tell when "God" is being used metaphorically. Same thing with Steven Hawking's "know the mind of God" thing.
2e7fb1 No.3888
>looks to me like a defencde of the moderation practice on islam
He didn't defend the moderation on /islam/. But we have proof on /christian/
that if someone reads the bible and tries to argue rationally, but says he is an Atheist and disagrees with a Christian's interpretation some scripture, the admin is capable of banning you and deleting all of your posts. See below.
>>>atheism/2886
2e7fb1 No.3889
730547 No.3891
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>>3889so if you look at one of the very few bans that were actually posted such as this one
http://8ch.net/atheism/res/2527.html#q2886notice it says long term anti christian posting as the ban reason (as in not the first time) and that the post involved a long triade basically just cursing God and calling him a tyrant in legaue with the devil
and the other post
http://8ch.net/atheism/res/2527.html#q2527was a post that was basically just nonsense posted for no reason
now compare that with Islam
>>3865this was my first time offering any critique on that board,
and the ban reason - being a kuffir and criticizing Muslims
is pretty vicious and shows a pretty vicious though process (no kuffir can say anything bad about musilims)
so you can see the difference, christianity banning for long term critique of christianity and posts that seem to be trolling while generally allowing fedora posters
meanwhile Islam prohibiting any criticism of islam or even criticism of Muslims by kuffir
and yes, you have experienced bans on christian but not on islam because you haven't engaged islam in any meaningful way
so while christian gets a long triade about why god is awful and satanic and this happens on a constant long term basis
meanwhile atheist posts on /islam/ look like picture related, always being sure to put peace be upon him after the prophet and showing sympathy for the unfair scrutiny they get
I mean seriously, the way atheists react to islam compared to christianity is probably the single greatest embrassment and the greatest indictment of the atheist movement
675ffd No.3892
>>3891You're a victim of the cherry picking fallacy even if you don't realize it. Your board is as bad as the Islam one but you refuse to dig deep enough to realize it. Both pics you posted are similar to those I've seen on christian . And what is your goal, to make us post less on christian or to rage on Islam more?
730547 No.3893
>>3892>And what is your goal, to make us post less on christian or to rage on Islam more?my goal is that you be consistent in your outrage
> Your board is as bad as the Islam one but you refuse to dig deep enough to realize itexcept my previous post just demonstrated exactly why islam's moderation is much stricter
I know atheism is ennamoured by pretty phrases like cherry picking, except I am not cherry picking because the bans I used from christian were from examples atheists posted here, and they were the first two on the thread that atheists posted not ones I selected with a given motive
2e7fb1 No.3894
>>3891What the admin calls long-term anti-christian posting is an excuse. What he means by long-term is that I posted on a thread for Atheists several times in succession, which happens in any debate, and he gave me a several week ban because he didn't like the post you saw. It'd be like if the admin here deleted your last post because it was "long term anti christian posting" since you've posted several times on this thread.
You still have the Christian mentality that anyone that questions the motives of God is evil which is why so many posts look like it's an attack on you. They're not necessarily, and you need to let your wisdom grow.
I am an apostate so I know your point of view, but it is much harder for you to understand mine because you clearly haven't been where I am. Understand that you're talking to people who knew religion and had it ingrained into them from youth. However, we didn't always take the answers for granted anymore because a book or a loved one told us so. You're talking to people who aren't content with short-cuts, but will investigate a topic until they're satisfied, and if they can't find an answer in the bible they like or in any Christian work, it will gnaw away at them and they'll keep reading. As they read they'll just find more contradictions and problems, such as God being evil in the bible.
At some point in our lives we wanted to know more, and probably found a body of work that raised good questions Christianity could not adequately explain, and/or a work that explains Christianity arose. Many people here tried to search for the truth as objectively as they could, and dare I say we came closer than the average Christian. Namely, we have concluded by the definitions of Atheism or Agnosticism that we don't believe there isn't enough evidence for God. Many of us went even further and decided the Hebrew God is evil in the bible, and it's a good thing he doesn't exist. I fall in this camp, and when I said so I was immediately banned from your board.
As an aside, Atheists are also better educated than the average population, and are better read than your average Christian in America. That even includes when Christianity is tested alone and you control for race and education. You can see the phone survey below for a source.
If you want to keep your kid a Christian I suggest you brainwash him from youth, make him get a job in High School, and never let him go to a university. That might not sound like good advice, but it's true that the more schooling, the more they know, and the less likely they are to believe in God. There are contradictions everywhere in Catholicism and the bible.
http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey/ 2e7fb1 No.3896
I meant to write, " "long term anti atheist posting." This would sound like the most insecure ban ever if we used it here.
7c5220 No.3897
>>3876You really are dense, aren't you.
If the same thing happened with a muslim on /christian/ I'd say the Muslims was in the wrong for dropping his spaghetti.
Try not jumping to conclusions so soon, boyo. And get rid of that persecution complex you silly social justice warrior.
:^)
>Islam openly admits that they don't believe that the Koran is true, and they don't believe that Mohammed is the true prophet - and what do I hear from Atheistm? Nothing - silence? Check out these posts, bro!
>>3838>>3838>>3843The very first two posts build on what that person said. The others are making fun of you because you have a giant persecution complex.
They're able to admit that they might not be right. That's not something to hate on. That's called being intellectually honest. I know Christian Social Justice Warriors like yourself has no concept of that but at least try to understand.
>my goal is that you be consistent in your outrage Number of muslims shitting up our board with their persecution complex: 0
Number of christians shitting up the board with their persecution complex: you
You're not helping your case here, sport.
>except my previous post just demonstrated exactly why islam's moderation is much stricter If I went to /christian/ and said that christians don't really believe in Jesus, would I be banned?
Chances are I would. It seems that both boards ban people for the same thing. Again, your confirmation bias and your persecution complex clouds your judgement.
730547 No.3898
>>3897>>If the same thing happened with a muslim on /christian/ I'd say the Muslims was in the wrong for dropping his spaghetti. you are full of shit and you know it
>Check out these posts, bro!yeah you do it safely on the atheist board but when you are on islam it's all the prophet . . . peace be upon him dudes
>Number of muslims shitting up our board with their persecution complex: 0>Number of christians shitting up the board with their persecution complex: youof course musilms arent complaining about atheist persection because atheists are always talking about how wonderful they are on their board see picture
>>3891
>If I went to /christian/ and said that christians don't really believe in Jesus, would I be banned?
>Chances are I would.here thread proposing the superiority of islam
http://8ch.net/christian/res/41418.htmlnon believer posing mean spirited challening questions regarding christian
http://8ch.net/christian/res/34334.htmlnot find me one where an atheist has brought any kind of critisim against islam on their board or said anything that wasn't sucking islam dick, you cant because you haven't
you post terrible shit on christian all day and cry when a ban happens but think its okay when islam bans for even less because you are acting from prejudice not reason
b15f8b No.3899
>>3898Islam made you mad for banning you, and now Atheists are making you angry. You want to stay on the /christian/ board, but sometimes non-believers slip in and make you angry again. I understand your pain! You know where you belong?
>>>/onlychristian/2None of the Atheists will ever be allowed to post without a ban. Your safety is guaranteed. It's the perfect hug box and it was made just for you.
730547 No.3900
>If I went to /christian/ and said that christians don't really believe in Jesus, would I be banned?
>Chances are I would.actually I have a thread where an atheist did just this and didnt get banned
http://8ch.net/christian/res/35574.html>>3899>Islam made you mad for banning you, and now Atheists are making you angry. Still defending your precious Islam I see
b15f8b No.3901
>>3900What are you trying to prove? That he bans the longer posts that have content you can debate,
>>2886 but sometimes leaves a few short ones if there's nothing to debate? Wow, that's great. Let's go to /christian/ and write super short sentences and maybe he won't ban us….except when he does.
730547 No.3902
>>3901geez haven't you been reading, what I have solidly proven is that atheist critisms of the moderation on Christianity is not driven by legitimate qualms but by prejudice and anti-christian sentiment - were it not at least one or two of you atheists would have gone and posted a challenge on islam and gotten banned and at least said something about the even stricter moderation on islam
the fact this hasn't happened and that all atheist posts on islam were merely kissing muslim ass
this combined with the fact that atheist are being allowed to post on Christian and criticize Christianity (something that would never be allowed on islam)
cements the position that yoru complaints over christian moderation are not legitmate complaints but are just another way the denizens of this board attempt to undermine and attack any sort of Christian presence
if you were really conserned about free speech and openness- you would bring the same complaints against islam and their moderators, the fact that you are utterly refusing to do so shows that this is not your real concern, your real concern is railing against christianity any way you can
b15f8b No.3903
>>3902There is so much wrong with this post. Doesn't help you've ignored every post that tried to engage you in a thorough and civil manner.
I give up. Continuing would be like trying to argue with a horse and then getting mad when the horse can't speak my language. On second thought, replace horse with door knob. at least my pets try to understand what I wanted when I talked to them.
946437 No.3906
>>3902
>the fact this hasn't happened and that all atheist posts on islam were merely kissing muslim ass How do you manage to breathe while surrounding yourself in such a thick coat of delusion?
Are you confusing Atheists with some of the unsavory guests on Bill Maher's show? It's the only connection I can draw to make sense of this mentality you have.
The very notion that Atheists kiss Muslim ass; it's too bizarre to even be laughable. Apologists really are something else - you never know what they're going to say next.
b15f8b No.3907
I hereby fold my knees together and kneel, so that I may offer a prayer to the soul of Galieo who resides in hell as one of the saints of Atheism. Galieo, please help me to always learn from Christian Social Justice Warriors the meaning of dishonesty, so that I may grow to be more intellectually honest. In the name of Richard Dawkins I pray. Amen.
730547 No.3909
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>>3906
>The very notion that Atheists kiss Muslim ass; it's too bizarre to even be laughable. Apologists really are something else - you never know what they're going to say next.yes prominent atheists like harris and dwarkins have made strong statements about atheism, but I am not talking about them, I am talking about you guys in particular
the fact is the moderation is much more strict on islam than it ever will be on christian and atheism is silent about it
further atheist posts on Islam seem patronizing and kissy faced,
its not even handed
>>3907thats all I ask
f2bac4 No.3912
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>>3621> There are 233 Christian bans, which is more than most boards. >>3909> Being this butt hurt we aren't mad because we aren't being banned on /islam/ as much as /christianity/ 730547 No.3913
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>>3909what pisses me off most is, I cant find it now, but there was a post on there from an atheist complementing them for being so much more lenient in their moderation than christian
its ridiculous, and just goes to show how blatantly all these complaints about christian mods is just a veiled attack on christian for the sake of attacking Christianity done under a thin veneer of protecting free speech and debate
6ec2f1 No.3914
Is 233 bans a small number? Atheism has only 2 bans so far, for obvious board spam.
730547 No.3915
>>3912> Being this butt hurt we aren't mad because we aren't being banned on /islam/ as much as /christianity/islam bans someone and shuts down discussion on an entire thread because someone said a curse world
>totally cool christianity bans people occasionally for repeated shitposting while still allowing a fair amount of debate and even hosting fedora threads
>total tyrants so much intellectual dishonesty up in here
946437 No.3918
>>3909None of the posts in the screenshot you posted were from Atheists, so what the fuck are you even on about?
Where the fuck is this ass-kissing you're on about?
>>3913You should be careful about which posts you take as being from Atheists when Muslims are involved in the discussion. Muslims have a bizarre proclivity for pretending to be converts from nonbelievers or from other religions. It's one of their favorite forms of propaganda. You can usually spot a fake-atheist or fake-former-atheist among Muslim online activity by checking for bad English grammar, as is exhibited in that post.
It is going to be especially difficult for you to detect this kind of horseshit because you have convinced yourself ahead of time that Atheists are just part of some anti-Christian conspiracy and that we are butt-buddies with Muslims or some similar nonsense. Even if it weren't for your inherent bias, it would be troublesome to pick up on these behaviors from Muslims, because, as I've stated already, Muslim propaganda is more overt while Christian propaganda is more subtle. Christian apologia usually involves backing off from big claims and delving into moral relativism, whereas Muslims will do crazy shit like this where they impersonate infidels and lie right to your fucking face. You're not ready for it, because you're from a western, Christian-dominated world where people don't generally behave like that in public debate.
I think you need to do a lot more observing and a lot less concluding, at least until you can get a few more years under your belt. It looks like inexperience is getting the better of you.
f05105 No.3920
946437 No.3922
>>3915"Intellectual Dishonesty" apparently doesn't mean "characterizing bans from /islam/ as shutting down discussions while characterizing bans from /christian/ as stopping shitposting" to you.
You are just slapping different labels on the same behavior and saying that it is cool when you do it, but an outrage when others do the same thing.
You have been relying very heavily on characterization in this thread. When Atheists say something on /christian/, it's an "attack." When Christians say something on /atheism/, it's "criticism." When /islam/ deletes a post or bans someone, they're "being tyrants," but when /christian/ deletes posts or bans people, they're "moderating their board." If an Atheist discusses religion with a Christian, they're "fedora posting," but if an Atheist discusses religion with a Muslim, they're "kissing Muslim ass."
This narrative-assigning punch-up that you're trying to do is extremely blunt and obvious. You're not convincing anyone other than yourself with it.
b15f8b No.3928
>>>islam/4071
Here is my first post on that board. I'm thanking them for banning you, and you can use this next time you try to start a flamebait. It will be the first known post from an /atheism/ ever.
You know what I honestly appreciate about their board? They banned you in red text without deleting the post they banned you for. Every single ban I've seen on the Christian board has deleted all record of the post, and frequently all posts by the IP. Even if they do sometimes delete posts, it's nice that on the post you saw fit to bring here they were transparent about who they were banning and what the post was, so we would know what is against their rules.
That alone is a little more intellectual honesty than I'm used to on the christian board, and if saying that makes me a muslim ass-licker, well, it appears their ass wasn't as dirty as you're making them out to be.
b15f8b No.3929
730547 No.3931
>>3922you didn't look at the pciture did you
>>3909an entire thread and all disucssion on it was shut ddown because soemone used a curse word
I mean the moderation on islam is extremely draconian and the board is kept like a japanese garden, perfectly trimmed, where discussion is only allowed in ways and places the mod wants
>>3929to compare that with christianity is intellectually dishonest
>>3930>>3929keep standing up for Islam and approving their banning procedures while condemning Christians it just goes to prove my point about atheist hypocrisy
730547 No.3932
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>>3931more photos
atheists will defend this while decrying christianity for the same thing
730547 No.3934
>>3918well anything to say for yourself now athiests?
are you even handed between Christian and atheists,
are all those "atheist" complements of islam just muslims in disguise?
I think you guys soundly lost this debate
b15f8b No.3935
>>3932
Your picture does sound cooler than /christian/ where they would delete a whole post because the picture was offensive, rather than spoilering it as /islam/ does.
I also like how they allow a few shit-posting topics with anime girls. >>>/islam/3668 This would never happen on Christian where the Catholic moderator deletes whatever stimulates him.
730547 No.3936
>>3935I know you love them
that's the point you guys are hypocrites in attacking christians for one thing and complementing muslims for the same thing
>>3934>>3934if you would like to embrace that label of intellectually dishonest hypocrites than that's your business
946437 No.3937
>>3934If you're just going to feed us mountains of salt no matter what we do, then we might as well enjoy it. Keep the tears flowing, zealot.
730547 No.3938
>>3937all you did was prove my point exactly and irrevocably
>allah akhbar>islam moderation is better>it's okay when muslims to do it and I want to congradulate youyou guys are hypocrites
c2552e No.3944
>>3882>our brightest scientistThat's clearly Newton, not Einstein, and Newton was famously a Christfag who let the God of the gaps argument stop him from reaching his full potential.
c2552e No.3945
>>3909>I can't handle the fact that /islam/ is not as shitty as /christian/>I have to pretend the non-shitty posts are atheists so I can act like the atheists are friendly to MuslimsTypical christfag cognitive dissonance
730547 No.3946
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>>3945yes you would say islam is totally better than christian and talk about how great it is, that's a part of the point
sure they ban people for disagreeing
>>3932they shut down threads if someone swears
>>3909they have entire topics off limits
but you cry about christian moderation, complement Islam moderation and still somehow be able to look yourselves in the mirror and pretend you are not hypocrites
and look what Islam did, they defended Christianity and made you look petty even as you kiss their asses
atheism, both pathetic and hypocritical
> 6ec2f1 No.3949
>>3944Einstein is shorthand for genius in mainstream culture though, and there is no need for the the first name, unlike with Newton. When I say genius, the first image that comes to mind for most people is of Einstein or Leonardo first. "If I said to your father wow you're a real Einstein," that I'm likening him to a genius is clear much faster than if I called him a Newton. "Newton…who? Oh you mean I'm like a candy bar?"
c2552e No.3950
>>3946>not understanding that because something is less shitty than something else doesn't make it goodLook, I get that Chick tracts are in black and white but real life has shades of grey.
7c5220 No.3951
>>3898>you are full of shit and you know it Why don't you test it out, asshole. :^)
>yeah you do it safely on the atheist board but when you are on islam it's all the prophet . . . peace be upon him dudesOccasionally we might go out and try to debate people on other boards however it won't bode very well if we just go around shitposting trying to force a debate.
It would go almost as well as if we went onto a board bitching about being banned from another board and accusing them of favoratism because they didn't have a thread about that board (yet)
>of course musilms arent complaining about atheist persection because atheists are always talking about how wonderful they are on their board see pictureHave you ever considered that atheists might be talking respectfully on /christian/ and a lot of the more vitriol posts might be….shitposters? Again, you're one of the top 25 boards along with baphomet, bane, cow, etc. It wouldn't be too surprising for some of them to try to get some laughs out of whiny bitches like yourself.
>your linksYou really are dense, aren't you baby?
>First linkIs a guy asking christians "How can I get the most out of this debate?" It's not about how great Islam is, it's a guy wanting to really challenge himself. Seriously, you're making muslims look better than they actually are with your spaghetti bitch fest. Stop being so shitter shattered, boy.
>second link404 not found and I know that's not because it just slid away because /christian/ is behind /co/ and /co/ moves slow as shit.
That thread was deleted, surprise surprise the same thing DOES happen on /christian/ and the same consequences occur. Thanks for proving me right, buddy! You rock!
>not find me one where an atheist has brought any kind of critisim against islam on their board or said anything that wasn't sucking islam dick, you cant because you haven't This isn't about atheists criticizing Islam on it's board. This is about you going "WAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAH You had a thread (started by a christian from /christian/) about the mods on my board but not on the other board! WAAAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH Pewsacutun! Pewsacutun! WAAAAAAHHH!:
I was willing to tone down the amount of crying when quoting you but seriously, enough of your bitch tears.
>you post terrible shit on christian all day and cry when a ban happensYOU'VE DONE THE SAME ON /ISLAM/ YOU POLE SMOKER. Jesus Christ, get a clue.
Stop having such a persecution complex.
Here's your entire debate method in green text.
>Be me>Be social Justice Warrior. >Be whiny little bitch>Get banned from /islam/ for starting some shit>Like intentionally starting shit and not really proving a point, just taking what people said out of context>Go to /atheism/ hoping they'll make fun of those big meanie head doo doo brain muslims>Ignore all the threads where atheists shit on Islam>See a thread about the mods on /christian/>Ignore that it was made by a christian and not an atheist>Rage so hard I shit myself>Those were my favorite Jesus undies too>Accuse atheists of sucking Islam's dick because they're not complaining about a board dedicated to Islam>Get a bunch of replies pointing out that how wrong I am>Accuse them of being pro-Islam even more>Accuse them of just hating christians>Shift through my collection of fedoras named after famous social justice warriors>Put on Jonathan McIntosh for this hard hitting debate tactic>Post links to /christian/ that disproves my point entirely>post screen caps that disprove my point entirely>shit on the board and claim victory because I'm too dense to read what people are sayingThat's you.
730547 No.3952
>>3950no you are full of shit
your complaint about christian was not that it wasnt enjoyable, the standard we were looking at is moderation, and standards of moderation
now you would like to switich the standard to enjoyability and ignore things like modeartion and freedom of speech because you don't want to admit to yourself what a hypocrite you and /atheism/ is
but the point stands you guys are hypocrites for whining about christian moderation while complementing, defending and condoning even stricter moderation on islam
you are not advocates of free speec or atheism or secularism, you are a bunch of people with a bone to pick with Christianity and no one else
730547 No.3953
>>3951>YOU'VE DONE THE SAME ON /ISLAM/ YOU POLE SMOKER. Jesus Christ, get a clue. like i said you are full of shit comparing the moderation on islam with the modeartion on christianity and pretending it's the same or better despite evidence after evidence pretending it's much strictier
and I can't expect you to be intellcutally honest because atheism just openly compelmented and advocated banning people on islam who disagree with them
>>3929>>3930so you can lie to yourselves all you want about how you are being even handed, but that's all it will ever be lies
7c5220 No.3954
>>3953You haven't provided any evidence either way, son. Get your head out your ass and stop taking Discourse 101 from Jonathan McIntosh.
Also way to ignore everything else about my post that proved you were full of shit. You might not be convinced but anyone else reading will be.
Either way /atheism/ is best board because even shitbirds like you aren't banned :^) c2552e No.3955
>>3952>implying /islam/ has worse moderation than /christian/This is only my third post ITT.
I didn't say any of the shit you think I did. Stop lumping us into a monolithic group like you're a fucking caveman.
730547 No.3956
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>>3954posted it over and over
>>3932 ban for disagreeing with admin
>>3909 ban for swearing
anything anti jewish - banend and not allowed - only approved topics
this is a controlled speech zone but in your dishonesty and indifference to the truht you will likely pretend Islam is a Bastian of free speech rather than admit your arrogent self was ever wrong about something
>>3955well at least be consisnsitent in your arguements then
do you think islams moderation is less or more strict than christianity
is the standard all the sudden how much you subjectively enjoy it rather than administrative abuse or moderation (Whic was always the standard before certain faggots decided to move the goalposts because they couldn't look at themselves and their won hypocritical selves)
c2552e No.3957
>>3956>well at least be consisnsitent in your arguements then I have been. /islam/ is more enjoyable and better moderated than /christian/. Deal with it.
730547 No.3958
>>3957>better moderated than /christian/. Deal with it.adding in that little caviat now without clarifying what it means
anyways I'm starting to realize that atheism has not a shred of intellectual honesty or integrity so I can just repost these again
>3932 (You) ban for disagreeing with admin>>3909 ban for swearing
>>3956 anything anti jewish - banend and not allowed - only approved topics
to show that moderation is much more strict and speech is much less free and administration and banning much more harsh
so we can easily see you opinion is based on anti-christian prejudice and nothing objective
c2552e No.3959
>>3958You've shown their moderation sucks, not that it's worse than /christian/'s. Stop throwing around phrases like "intellectual honesty" as if you understand what they mean. If it's really worse on /islam/ you should have a mountain of examples of bad moderation. Specifically, you should have a bigger mountain than there is for /christian/.
7c5220 No.3960
>>3958You've yet to show that /christian/ doesn't ban people for the same thing.
In fact, there's even a thread on this board by a christian demonstrating that you can be banned for discussing things that the mods don't like.
730547 No.3963
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>>3959>>3959
>You've shown their moderation sucks,
>You've yet to show that /christian/ doesn't ban people for the same thing.so lets say that I have the burden of proof as to a negative - that christian moderation is not as bad
and lets imagine that I havent already met that burden by posting all those atheist threads and threads criticizing Christianity and saying that Christians dont really believe in that stuff
lets imagine for a second that atheist thickheaded and ability to willfully ignore evidence psoted makes them right
and maybe that would have meant I lost the agrugmenet before but
>>3957
>I have been. /islam/ is more enjoyable and better moderated than /christian/. Deal with it.and more importantly
>>3930>>3929where you actually went on islam and complemented them for their moderation
so even if we take it as the same,the fact that atheism compelements islam for the same thing that the critisize christianity for is indisputable proof that you are not even handed, you are hypocritical and you have a bone to pick
there is no arguing with that and you are only embarrassing yourself by trying to continue
730547 No.3964
>>3962real mature, but I understand the ad hominims, Id be upset too if I lost a debate this badly on my own board
c2552e No.3965
>so lets say that I have the burden of proof as to a negative - that christian moderation is not as bad
No you have the burden of proof that /islam/ is worse.
>lets imagine that I havent already met that burden by posting all those atheist threads
Let's imagine you meet the burden of proof for this claim right now by showing us where you posted such evidence.
>atheism compelements islam for the same thing that the critisize christianity for is indisputable proof that you are not even handed, you are hypocritical and you have a bone to pick
/atheism/ is not one person. I have entire skeletons to pick with both /christian/ and /islam/ as well as the religions they represent. Incidentally, I'm jaded beyond the point of being able to feel embarrassment.
7c5220 No.3966
>>3963>Your picYou came here, dropped your spaghetti, and you're surprised that people went over to Islam and decided to give them some props just to spite you? How dumb are you? Is this your first day on 8chan, kid?
>so lets say that I have the burden of proof as to a negative - that christian moderation is not as badYour burden of proof is that the moderation of /christian/ isn't the same as /islam/. It should be easy because people have pointed out that /islam/'s moderation is less shitty.
>and lets imagine that I havent already met that burden by posting all those atheist threads and threads criticizing Christianity and saying that Christians dont really believe in that stuff You haven't, kid.
>lets imagine for a second that atheist thickheaded and ability to willfully ignore evidence psoted makes them right You seem familiar with ignoring evidence. This entire thread shows you're a total pro at it.
>real mature, but I understand the ad hominims, Id be upset too if I lost a debate this badly on my own boardYou didn't win the debate. The other side just got tired of explaining the same thing over and over again to someone too thick to listen and evaluate himself.
8e8da4 No.3967
I'm starting to think you've watched the news, and are just envious the jihadists are less whinny than you. It's like you go to other boards daring someone to flip the mousetrap so in your mind you can tell yourself you were badly persecuted like Christ, like a good little Christian hero. But in fact, you're just bullying other boards.
730547 No.3968
>>3965>/atheism/ is not one person. I have entire skeletons to pick with both /christian/ and /islam/ as well as the religions they represent. Incidentally, I'm jaded beyond the point of being able to feel embarrassment.bullshit, not one of you critisized islam on their own board and the only post that was posted there was a complement, with several defences on here now including the one that is right below you
so maybe you can pretend you are right
>ou came here, dropped your spaghetti, and you're surprised that people went over to Islam and decided to give them some props just to spite you? How dumb are you? Is this your first day on 8chan, kid?implying you have ever done anything else
I mean first there were anons claiming they were fake atheist posts and now you are claiming that its just to spite me because like I said you dont have a shred of honesty in you to admit that what you did is just what you did - which is compelment islam for the same thing that you insult christianity for and its not the only example I posted on this board for atheism kissing muslim ass
>>3913>>3891but its going to be the same game, you are going to pretend the evidence doesn't exist, then you will pretend its made up
because you are dishonest
7c5220 No.3969
>>3968Just because we didn't criticize them on their own board doesn't mean we prefer them and just because someone thanked them for banning your whiny ass doesn't mean we're buddy buddy.
Grow the fuck up, kid. Grow the fuck up.
>implying you have ever done anything else I haven't been banned on a board but if I were I wouldn't go to /christian/ going "WAAAAH DA MEANIEDOODOOBRAIMS BANED ME!!!"
>I mean first there were anons claiming they were fake atheist posts and now you are claiming that its just to spite me because like I said you dont have a shred of honesty in you to admit that what you did is just what you didI didn't make that post though. You're so paranoid that you're now linking together everyone who replies to you. Again, stop being such a little bitch.
>because you are dishonestsure thing, McIntosh. Pic related, it's a dramatic reenactment of the cross you bore.
730547 No.3970
>>3969>Just because we didn't criticize them on their own board doesn't mean we prefer them and just because someone thanked them for banning your whiny ass doesn't mean we're buddy buddy.right, constant critisim on the christian board from atheist, nothing but love and complements from atheism on the islam board
just a coincidence right, how far will you go to assassinate the truth
>I haven't been banned on a board but if I were I wouldn't go to /christian/ going "WAAAAH DA MEANIEDOODOOBRAIMS BANED ME!!!"then this conversation is not about you faggot because I specifically directed it to those atheists constantly compaling about moderatin on christain
7c5220 No.3971
>>3970Constant criticism that again, might not even be from /atheism/ itself. Ever realized that there's other religions on the board. Ever realize that your board is one of the more popular and thus will attract more people and thus would attract more debate.
>then this conversation is not about you faggot because I specifically directed it to those atheists constantly compaling about moderatin on christainYour last comment:
>I mean first there were anons claiming they were fake atheist posts and now you are claiming that its just to spite me because like I said you dont have a shred of honesty in you to admit that what you did is just what you did - which is compelment islam for the same thing that you insult christianity for and its not the only example I posted on this board for atheism kissing muslim ass Also watch your language son, these are virgin eyes. Jesus don't want no potty mouth in Heaven. I think you ought to crack open the good book and try to calm down. Maybe be a little Christ like and try forgiving /islam/ for banning you. Can you do that for me, sonny?
c2552e No.3972
>>3970>nothing but love and complements from atheism on the islam board Jesus fuck dude. You're further divorcing your story from reality in a desperate attempt to maintain your frame of reference. Now I'm hooked. I've gotta see how far you'll take this.
730547 No.3973
>>3971
>I didn't make that post though. You're so paranoid that you're now linking together everyone who replies to youI love how this is always the response,
I didnt do this, I didnt say this, it wasnt me
so evasive
the fact is not one of you complained about islam moderation, while complaining everywhere about christian moderation, and even starting threads and boards devoted to it
the fact is not one of you critisized islam or debated islam on their own board despite doing so with Christian on a regular basis
and there have been several examples of people completementing
so as much as you faggots constantly cry it doesnt apply to you, it does
you not even handed, you are hypocrites and you have a bone to pick
>>3972yeah post cute faces, but find me an example, find me a single example of atheist critism, nothing, I gave you sevearl examples of atheist kiss ass
but like I said before, evidence doesnt matter in this dicussion because I am discussing with the dishonest
7c5220 No.3974
>>3973>I love how this is always the response, >I didnt do this, I didnt say this, it wasnt me >so evasive You are coming here and accusing everyone on the board of kissing /islam/'s ass so yeah, people are going to want to make the distinction. If I said that everyone on /christian/ was a ban happy mod, would you want to announce your innocence?
>the fact is not one of you complained about islam moderation, while complaining everywhere about christian moderation, and even starting threads and boards devoted to it None of us ran into /islam/'s moderation as far as I know. And you have no evidence that any of us are the ones shitting up /christian/. Hint hint, we're all anonymous. It could be someone from Baphomet or cow or GamerGate or even fucking Pol.
>so as much as you faggots constantly cry it doesnt apply to you, it does You have no evidence of thag buckaroo. And what did I say about your potty mouth? Tsk tsk. Jesus is very disappointed in you, son.
>you not even handed, you are hypocrites and you have a bone to pick It's not required to shitpost on /islam/ to view both the religions of christianity and islam with an equal amount of disdain. Hell, I've even have better opinions of christians simply because most of them modernized.
But keep throwing blind accusations. It's really helping your case, boy.
>yeah post cute faces, but find me an example, find me a single example of atheist critism, nothing, I gave you sevearl examples of atheist kiss ass There's threads on /atheism/ dedicated to shitting on christianity AND Islam. Hell, I'm kind of upset that there's none calling the jews or hindus out on things. Does that mean that atheists ass kiss jews and hindus.
Or maybe it's because it's a small, slow moving board and people wanted to discuss other things at the moment.
>but like I said before, evidence doesnt matter in this dicussion because I am discussing with the dishonestIf you don't want to discuss with the dishonest, don't talk in front of a mirror. By the way, I updated your picture.
Never forget the Christian Holocaust on /islam/.
730547 No.3975
>>3974>>You are coming here and accusing everyone on the board of kissing /islam/'s ass so yeah, people are going to want to make the distinction. If I said that everyone on /christian/ was a ban happy mod, would you want to announce your innocence?see you are twisting the arguement
1. there are threads and boards from members of atheism set up to critisize christian moderation
2. there is not a whimper about moderation of islam
3. the ONLY and I emphasize ONLY as in nothing but thing I have seen from atheist about islam moderation is complements (done repeatedly and in fact posted in this thread)
1. there are several posts daily on christian from atheists critisizing, insulting Christianity
2. there are 0, no posts on islam from atheists doing any kind of crituqe of islam
3. there are several posts from atheists on islam complementing islam and the prophet
so in the face of that I realize every single atheist is giong to say - but dat wasnt me, and to a degree you are all dishonest in that because you participated in this and created this to some degree
if there was even 1, even 1 critisim of islam by an atheist ever, then you could claim evenhanded ness
but in the face of extreme critism of christian both for content and moderation and everything else, while at thesame time no critism and nothing but complement
and in the face of that you still have the gall to pretend this is nothing and you are still even handed because you dont give a fuck about evidence or truth
c2552e No.3976
>>3973> find me a single example of atheist critismSee >>170
730547 No.3977
>>3976no nigga, you ignore the context, sure you ctique everyone here, but has any of you ever crtisized islam on their own board the way you contsantly do with christian
with critiszing others, its a nice circlejerk here, with christians you gotta take the fight to us for some reason and disrupt us
7c5220 No.3978
>>3975>1. there are threads and boards from members of atheism set up to critisize christian moderation One of them being made by a christian. When people from your own religion come on and say that the board sucks, maybe you should stop and think for a moment.
>2. there is not a whimper about moderation of islam Doesn't matter. That doesn't mean we're kissing /islam/'s ass. At best it means we're neutral toward it. We also don't have threads about /co/, /cow/, /pone/, etc. That doesn't mean we're kissing their ass.
>3. the ONLY and I emphasize ONLY as in nothing but thing I have seen from atheist about islam moderation is complements (done repeatedly and in fact posted in this thread)Seriously, you're just shitter shattered that you were banned on Islam. Grow up, kid.
And take note, that ONLY thing you saw was ONLY after you came here and whined a bunch. If you weren't such a little bitch, there wouldn't be anyone on /islam/ saying "Hey, good on you for banning that whiny faggot lol"
>1. there are several posts daily on christian from atheists critisizing, insulting Christianity Like a true Christian not knowing his math. 4 comes after 3. 1 comes before both 3 and 2.
Also….and? Are you really so assblasted that people go to your board and try debating.
>2. there are 0, no posts on islam from atheists doing any kind of crituqe of islamBoo hoo. If you want a critique of Islam, browse /atheism/. If you want to be banned for having a different interpretation of christianity than the mods, browse /christian/ :^)
>3. there are several posts from atheists on islam complementing islam and the prophet There's several posts on /christian/ of people kissing Jesus' ass. Your point?
>but in the face of extreme critism of christian both for content and moderation and everything else, while at thesame time no critism and nothing but complement That sentence doesn't make any sense. I also notice your spelling and grammar gets worse and worse the madder you get.
>>3977
>no nigga, you ignore the context, sure you ctique everyone here, but has any of you ever crtisized islam on their own board the way you contsantly do with christian You're once again assuming it's /atheism/ on /christian/ which you have absolutely no evidence for and you're just acting like a butthurt bitch because you were rightfully banned.
Clean your pants and come back tomorrow. You're clearly too mad to think right now.
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As for everyone else, here's a Christian McIntosh template. What oppression does our brave Christian face? Only you can make the story!
c2552e No.3979
>>3977>the way you contsantly do with christian see
>>3951>you're one of the top 25 boardsProve that that's us and not random fuckers who want to start shit. You're also moving goalposts. You asked me to provide an example of /atheism/ criticisizing Islam. I did. If you're not satisfied with that, maybe you should stop fucking equivocating these boards with the religions for which they're named.
0684f5 No.3980
>>3974>dat picFukken saved.
730547 No.3981
>>3978>You're once again assuming it's /atheism/ on /christian/ which you have absolutely no evidence for and you're just acting like a butthurt bitch because you were rightfully bannedthere is a fucken thread on atheism now complaining about how people are being banned from christian
so now you gonna deny that those are atheists on christians despite this because you have no integrity
but my point still stands
and as for my compalints about even handedness and hypocracy if all you can say is boo hoo neither you nor your movement has a shred of integrity or value
>>3979and that arguement would have workded before until
>>3957 >>3978>>3929>>3930started defending islams moderation practices showing complete disregard for fairness or intellectual honesty and not caring about being hypocrites all the while calling christians hypocrites
2bd9ea No.3982
>>3980Okay, you got us and the gig is up. As your investigation has uncovered know Atheists are all Satan worshipers, which means we are secretly in love with Islam since they're also Satan worshipers. We go to frat parties together to lick each others' asses and play with oujia boards for hours. Atheists have hidden tunnels because no one can know we work together. We have dug tunnels from Freemason clubs and porno shops that lead directly into the mosques where we do blood sacrifices. The Mormons and Hindus are in on it too. Most of the religions are part of the conspiracy to fight God and destroy Christianity.
The distinction between us and Islam is minor, and it's a lot like divisions in Protestantism. Everything you see is just a deflection we put on the surface, but we're both brothers and we go to each other's parties and stuff, where we conspire on how best to destroy America. All we need to do is destroy Christianity and then when the faith is weakened there will be no defenses and we can open a hell-hole to unleash demons that will possess everyone on Earth. Drat, our 200 year old plan to kill God and take over the Earth has been foiled. We'd have gotten away from it too, if only you meddling kids hadn't confronted us with proof of our mutual ass licking.
730547 No.3983
>>3982I think if you were honest with yourselves the real issue you have been caught for is that atheists on this board are soft on islam and while all to willing to critisize christianity on the slightest thing and try and discredit and demobilze anything we do while also sympathizing with a and going soft on islam and not daring to critisize them for anything
the /atheism/ board is a bunch of intellectual cowards who want to attack Christianity who would never dare say anything about islam in public
7c5220 No.3984
>>3981>there is a fucken thread on atheism now complaining about how people are being banned from christian https://8ch.net/atheism/res/3475.htmlAlright Christian, let's try reading. Follow with me.
>Just got banned from /Christian/ (I am a Christian) for teaching them about their own bible, but those fucking fake Christians didn't acknowledge anything. >The image below was posted by me with the caption 'Fuck your idols', as in the Protestant tradition I speak rather crudely. >Just here to tell you that not all Christians are right wing idiots who don't know shit about their holy book.Oh surprise surprise, it still wasn't us. It was a christian. In fact, this lends more credibility to all the people criticizing christianity are really just christians with different theological views.
Sorry, bub. You lost again.
>so now you gonna deny that those are atheists on christians despite this because you have no integrity There's more evidence that there's christians on /christian/ starting shit, buckaroo.
>but my point still standsOn pillars of salt
>and as for my compalints about even handedness and hypocracy if all you can say is boo hoo neither you nor your movement has a shred of integrity or value I didn't realize I was part of a movement. I just come here to discuss religion, science, and philosophy. Shit, I'm already part of GamerGate. Do I favor one or the other?
>started defending islams moderation practices showing complete disregard for fairness or intellectual honesty and not caring about being hypocrites all the while calling christians hypocritesWe do it because it makes you mad, son. Your tears are delicious.
730547 No.3985
>>3984http://8ch.net/atheism/res/2527.htmlI love how you go back to that one guy who said he was a christian and posted fuck you idiots with a borken crucifix as an example of our unfair banning practices
and I love how you are so much of a liar that you will still ignore the other therads with you guys complaing about our moderation (as in there are musliple threads)
http://8ch.net/atheism/res/2527.htmlbut with so little integrity to you would pretend it doesnt exist and that there has never been a movement on this board critqiuing moderation on christian
730547 No.3986
>>3984>We do it because it makes you mad, son. Your tears are delicious.and you would stil argue this despite most of my examples of atheist islam asslick was from weeks or even months ago and I was alos pointing to a compeltel lack of critisim of islam
but again, intellectual dishonesty
2bd9ea No.3987
Serious question OP, are you still in High School? Because if you are that would explain everything.
730547 No.3988
>>3987I would have expected a little more integrity and intellectual honesty from atheism in at least being able to admit that you are not being even handed and its pretty pathtic that you cant even do that and instead resrot to adhonminims and lies
b15f8b No.3989
>>3988It was a serious question. I'll provisionally take that as a yes.
7c5220 No.3990
>>3985>I love how you go back to that one guy who said he was a christian and posted fuck you idiots with a borken crucifix as an example of our unfair banning practices He said "fuck your idols" as to imply that Jesus being on the cross isn't treated as a reminder of Jesus as much as it's an idol in of itself. That that it represents is meaningless to what it is.
I'm not even a Christian and I got that.
>and I love how you are so much of a liar that you will still ignore the other therads with you guys complaing about our moderation (as in there are musliple threads) What's a musliple? Are you speaking in tongues?
>but with so little integrity to you would pretend it doesnt exist and that there has never been a movement on this board critqiuing moderation on christianI didn't pretend it doesn't exist. It just doesn't matter. None of this does. You're making a mountain out of an ant hill with your butthurt.
>and you would stil argue this despite most of my examples of atheist islam asslick was from weeks or even months ago and I was alos pointing to a compeltel lack of critisim of islam And you'd still argue we're being pro-Islam despite people pointing out that Islam gets shat on in this board as well. There's probably a board dedicated to ghosts. We have a thread about how dumb the concept of ghosts are. Does that mean we're asskissing ghost believers as well?
>I would have expected a little more integrity and intellectual honesty from atheism in at least being able to admit that you are not being even handed and its pretty pathtic that you cant even do that and instead resrot to adhonminims and lies"GUUUIZE! Not complaining about the modertaion of every board equally is FAVORATISM YOU SHITLORDS!!!!!!!! UR HUWTING MY FEEWINGS!"
That's you.
Also big words coming from a guy who can't even comprehend that the people shitposting in /christian/, while they may be atheists, might not be from this board.
If we're to take your word for it, /christian/ is filled to the brim with shitposting yet there's what? 2 or 3 threads about it here with like 15 replies in them? Wow, we really are dedicated to your board, bro.
Another picture for you.
730547 No.3992
>>3990you game is deny swear and insult because there is nono substance to you , you dnt give a shit about truth, you just care about being right
look at you, even after I pointed out the thread with athiest complaining about moderation on Christian, you pretend that those atheists werent posting on christian
even after I pointed out islam compelments and islam supoort here you now go back and ignore and pretend like I am argueing from silence rather than outright complements
and youpretend that it means nothing nothing athesim attacks one religion while doing nothing but complementing another, because you have no intergrity and are not worth talking to
730547 No.3993
look at atheist in this thread, have you meaninted civility, have you put foward honest arguments and engaged in honest debate
have you sought civil dicussion or immature namecalling and pranks and acting aout of spite
the atheism board is nothing that it claims to be and everything that it claims to hate
7c5220 No.3994
>>3992>you game is deny swear and insult because there is nono substance to you , you dnt give a shit about truth, you just care about being rightYou've done nothing but deny, swear, and insult, kid. Don't even try to high horse.
>ook at you, even after I pointed out the thread with athiest complaining about moderation on Christian, you pretend that those atheists werent posting on christian I didn't pretend that those atheists weren't posting on Christian tho. Now you're putting words into my mouth.
>and youpretend that it means nothing nothing athesim attacks one religion while doing nothing but complementing another, because you have no intergrity and are not worth talking toBut we're not complimenting another religion. We shit on Islam as well. We may compliment the mods of /islam/ but complementing the mods of an 8chan board =/= complimenting the religion.
730547 No.3996
>>3994right you can ignore these
>>3891 when you claim you do insult islam just complement its mods
all I done was call you dihonest and lacking in integrity and I think that's a fair assessment not an ad hominim
b15f8b No.3999
>>3996It gets so trite hearing you misuse words you just learned which people have heard a hundred times. Use tu quoque so at least you can pretend you have a broader vocab. You realize that when you argue you come across as a boy whoose Jesus panties are giving him a wedgie. You're not going to convince anyone you have won an argument, and if you were being intellectually honest (theres that word again. Look it up and learn what it means) you wouldn't care as much about winning an argument as coming closer to the truth. The fact you are so hung up on winning in a discussion is one of a hundred signs you are too immature to be taken seriously by this board, or probably even the Islam board. But Christian will still take you not because they like you, but because you are one of their own.
7c5220 No.4000
>>3993>look at atheist in this thread,There's more than one of us
>, have you meaninted civilityYou've called us faggots, swore at us, etc. that's not civil. Don't rewrite history.
>>3956>>3970>>3973
>have you put foward honest arguments and engaged in honest debate ….Yes. That's what we've been doing the entire time. We've pointed out time and time again that we don't favor Islam over Christianity, that how much we complain about board moderators has no bearing on this, and that you have a major persecution complex.
We've shown that even christians get banned from /christian/ and that you were banned for being an asshole, not because they're shittier moderators than /christian/.
I defy you to return to /islam/ and try to start an actual debate.
>have you sought civil dicussion or immature namecalling and pranks and acting aout of spiteAt first we tried to be civil but you acted so thick headed and ignored everything that we said that we decided to just have some fun with you while you're here.
>the atheism board is nothing that it claims to beWe never claimed to be equal opportunity bitchers about 8chan board moderators
>and everything that it claims to hateDidn't know we were all actually SJWs and theists. Oh wait.
The reason people, myself especially, were so disrespectful to you is that you haven't earned our respect. Immediately you've shown you're just an a-hole from your OP picture where you jump up and down saying "SEE! Muslims don't really believe in Islam!!!!" when it was just people being intellectually honest that yes, as humans they can't be 100% certain of anything.
Why would we, people more inclined to agree with that notion, defend you for obnoxiously disagreeing with it? Before you go "Hurr durr see I knew you favored Muslims", realize that if the roles were reversed and it was the christians being intellectually honest, I'd say the same thing.
Then when accuse us immediately of favoring /islam/ over /christianity/ and equate that with having a bigger grudge against christianity in of itself than islam as if how much we talk about boards on 8chan is representative of our views on the religion as a whole.
The discussions about /christian/ were about how it's moderated, not specifically against the religion itself. There's threats and posts on /atheism/ about christianity and there's threads and posts on /atheism/ about islam.
If anything one can easily say that we don't give as much a shit about christianity as we do about shitty mod practices.
You have such a persecution complex that you think just because we aren't being obnoxious assholes on /islam/ means we have it all out for /christian/ but fact is, that's wrong.
If /islam/ was one of the most popular boards on 8chan and /christian/ was this crappy little board that barely anyone visits, I can guarantee you that things would go the same way. People would be shitposting on /islam/ because it's a bigger target and more likely to get replies.
>>3996
>all I done was call you dihonest and lacking in integrity and I think that's a fair assessment not an ad hominim>All I donebut that's not all you did. You're rewriting history again..
>right you can ignore these >>3891 when you claim you do insult islam just complement its modsIndeed, I can. Because I have insulted Islam. I've drawn the Charlie Hebdo Muhammad for crying out loud, something that pisses muslims off enough to murder.
Just because we're willing to give credit where credit's due when it comes to moderation doesn't mean we like or respect the religion they're a part of. I don't see how you can be so stupid not to understand that simple concept.
If I were to say "Francis Collins is an intelligent man." That simply means I'm giving Francis Collins a compliment, it doesn't mean I respect his religion.
You seem to have a major issue with equating things, cherry picking, and trying to make your board out to be the victim and us the monsters constantly attacking it.
730547 No.4001
>>4000>Just because we're willing to give credit where credit's due when it comes to moderation doesn't mean we like or respect the religion they're a part of. I don't see how you can be so stupid not to understand that simple concept.I loves this, you gonna pretend that islam moderation is fair and even handed now
you gonna make up all sorts of lies rather than simply admit that you are not even handed and that you do have a bias against christainity
atheist at the beginning of this thread were more honest, they said things like oh well Christianity is bigger, or they had more experience with christainity, they admitted they were not even handed and gave reasons
you, you are such a liar its incredible
7c5220 No.4002
>>4001>I loves this, you gonna pretend that islam moderation is fair and even handed now We never even totally claimed it was fair. We're just willing to give them props for that one ban because quite honestly, you deserved it. But do continue lying o yourself.
>you gonna make up all sorts of lies rather than simply admit that you are not even handed and that you do have a bias against christainity Once again it must be pointed out that how much we bitch about moderators of boards is of no reflection to our opinions of what those boards represent.
>atheist at the beginning of this thread were more honest, they said things like oh well Christianity is bigger, or they had more experience with christainity, they admitted they were not even handed and gave reasons We're all anonymous here. How do you know it wasn't me?
>you, you are such a liar its incredibleAnd you're so dense it's incredible. Jesus Christ I've even admitted that I prefer Christianity to Islam and you still act like I hate the former more than the latter simply because I don't think that your whiny ass getting banned from a board is a giant case of persecution.
Also stop misusing the word 'liar' and 'intellectually honest', it's embarrassing to read. I can only hope that English isn't your first language or you really are some edgy high schooler.
b15f8b No.4003
this guy is a lost cause. Let's just start pointing out the logical flaws in his arguments instead.
>>4001Strawman Paragraph 1
Appeal to hypocritsy paragraph 2
Strawman again, and he says the throwaway appeal to authority "I was a christian" worked on him paragraph 3
Ad hominem paragraph 4
730547 No.4004
>>3999>>4002
>>We never even totally claimed it was fair. We're just willing to give them props for that one ban because quite honestly, you deserved it.but the christian moderaiton and atheist dont deserve it for the same thing
I mean seriously I cant believe that you would be proud of your own hypocracy as if its something nobel and not something obvious
>>4003appeal to hypocracy
so youve taken to making up logical fallacies now
you are hypocrites and as much as you would like to call it a fallacy or cover it up and obscure it someway it is clear to anyone who looks
7c5220 No.4005
>>4004>so youve taken to making up logical fallacies now >you are hypocrites and as much as you would like to call it a fallacy or cover it up and obscure it someway it is clear to anyone who lookshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoqueIt's a real logical fallacy, bro.
>but the christian moderaiton and atheist dont deserve it for the same thing I have no idea what you're saying here. Let me rephrase myself so that you can understand.
We're not saying that every action done by the mods on /islam/ is good. A lot of us however do agree that THAT particular ban that you suffered, was in the right for varying reasons.
Thinking one action is good does not mean thinking all actions that person/organization/etc is good.
>I mean seriously I cant believe that you would be proud of your own hypocracy as if its something nobel and not something obviousWho the hell's proud here? Now you're making shit up.
730547 No.4006
>>4005To Quoque is when you critisize a behavior or arguement by saying someone doesnt follow it - like if I were to crtisize recylcing by saying you dont recycle
thats not what I am doing here what Im doing is pointing out your hypocracy in arguing vehlemently against something when Christians do it and keeping quiet, or even applauding something when islam does it, and I am using that as evidence for your bias
and you and your compatriots are trying to hide from them and veer away from that in often sleezy and downright manipulative manner instead of facing it head on like a man
b15f8b No.4007
>>4004I assure you appeal to hypocrisy is a fallacy, and its even written in latin a few posts back. But you're right, if I keep talking to you I might discover logical fallacies that haven't been named yet, At first I thought you ,were an ass and maybe a troll, but I thougt you were pretending to be dense until it has become obvious it wasn't an act. Congratulations, you win the prize for being more special than anyone else. The only person with as much autism to try and debate us before with the same details over and over was statuefag.
730547 No.4008
>>4007and I just explained why its not and you uused to quoque wrong
>>4006you guys are logic armatures and its clear from misuse of logical fallacies combined with insults
you are just a rather mean spirited group of people who happen to have an irrational hate of Christianity out of sheer prejudice
and no I would not have had to debate the same issues over and over again would atheism not repeat the same arguments over and over despite having been dealt with before
b15f8b No.4009
>>4008I can't believe when I misspelled hypocritsy as hypocracy you did it too in your reply as though you were unfamilar with a common word of the bible and took it on blind faith I had gotten it right, and then got the latin version of the same fallacy spelled wrong when it was on the post above yours. In fact I see you trying to turn all the terms that are thrown around against the speaker as if you know what they mean or that ansolves you of anything. I have a strong feeling you learned about cherry picking for the first time on this thread.
7c5220 No.4010
>>4008
>you are just a rather mean spirited group of people who happen to have an irrational hate of Christianity out of sheer prejudice There's that persecution complex again. We've pointed out time and time again that shitting on board mods does not represent our views of their respective religions as a whole and you completely ignore it.
We've pointed out that you were indeed being an ass in a thread that you started about your post and you're complaining that we have other threads like this about /christian/'s mods.
We've pointed out that we are against Islam just as much as we are against Christianity and you just flat out ignored that.
>and no I would not have had to debate the same issues over and over again would atheism not repeat the same arguments over and over despite having been dealt with beforeClaiming you've dealt with them does not mean you've dealt with them. You've simply plugged your ears whenever we've pointed out nuances are pointed out the context of things and continued believing you were falsely persecuted.
>>4009Don't tell him about the fallacy of Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. We've been utilizing that fallacy the whole time and he's none the wiser!
b15f8b No.4011
>>4009Wait I didnt misspell it as hypocracy but left out the t and when he replied to that he got the spelling totally wrong. Man…I can't tell if he's trolling or not now.
730547 No.4012
>>4010I am not saying we are persecuted so maybe just once in your life you can stop talking in catchphrases and be your own man
>We've pointed out that we are against Islam just as much as we are against Christianity and you just flat out ignored that.because all you have is empty words, and maybe a thread crtisizing Islam where most posts defended it
the fact that you take your blind meaningless assertions as gospel doesnt mean that everyone is obligated to
Ive posted evidence in this thread showing otherwise and you think your mere words match that because you have such a high opinion of yourself
the fact is you just admitted tat Islams mods were right to ban me for crtisizing islam in the same breath as you critisize christian mods for banning people who critisize christianity
and yet you still want to be considered even handed and something other than a hypocrite because you are so self deluded
>>4011yes trolling kid, i mean it was a simple premise that I was propounding, I proved it in this thread and now youve resroted to throwing insults and ad hominims to make yourselves feel better
7c5220 No.4013
>>4012>I am not saying we are persecuted so maybe just once in your life you can stop talking in catchphrases and be your own man Big words coming from the guy who loves to throw out the word 'hypocrisy' more than a Tumblr trier feminist uses the word 'misogyny'
>because all you have is empty words, and maybe a thread crtisizing Islam where most posts defended it Show us people on /atheism/ defending Islam. Go on.
Take note that defending the actions of mods banning your whiny ass isn't defending Islam. I want a post made by someone here defending the religion of Islam. I've got all night.
>the fact that you take your blind meaningless assertions as gospel doesnt mean that everyone is obligated to Except our assertions aren't blind. You really are a whiny little bit. It's plain as day when reading your comments.
>Ive posted evidence in this thread showing otherwise and you think your mere words match that because you have such a high opinion of yourself Now that's what I call a blind assertion.
>the fact is you just admitted tat Islams mods were right to ban me for crtisizing islam in the same breath as you critisize christian mods for banning people who critisize christianity You really are a special little one, aren't you. I never defended the people banned on /christian/. I never said that /christian/'s mods were in the wrong or the right. That's the big thing you're missing here.
I said that /islam/'s mods were in the right to ban your ass because you acted like a total chode. How does that translate to hating the /christian/ mods more if I haven't even said anything about them?
Stop putting words into other people's mouth, kid.
>and yet you still want to be considered even handed and something other than a hypocrite because you are so self deluded You love the word hypocrite, don't you. Are you a fan of hippocrates? :^)
>yes trolling kid, i mean it was a simple premise that I was propounding, I proved it in this thread and now youve resroted to throwing insults and ad hominims to make yourselves feel betterYou didn't prove shit, son. This is actually getting embarrassing. You haven't even proved your main premise that people here favor Islam over Christianity.
b15f8b No.4014
>>4012I'll give you some heart to heart advice. For the next few years if you ever get banned from any chan, anywhere, no matter why they ban you, it's not because of unfair censorship, but because the mods realized you were up past your bed time and your parents would want you to get some sleep and study more. You should lurk for a year and debate the world when you're older and wiser, and less obnoxious. Oh and you don't have to be a great speller but you should make an effort to at least know without a doubt the meaning of words. You should also incorporate as much of your opponent's argument into your post as a courtesy instead of cherry picking the parts you want to ignore and the parts you want to respond to, while typing as fast as you can.
730547 No.4015
>>4013>>4014so in the end atheist offers insults, defends islam moderation and I cant even tell if you are still denying you are critising christian mods or agreeing that you are but who cares at this point you just say whats convenient right
>You really are a special little one, aren't you. I never defended the people banned on /christian/. I never said that /christian/'s mods were in the wrong or the right. That's the big thing you're missing here.then why are you here
this whole thread was directed at people comlaining about christian moderation, so why did you start a big arguement and then at the end claim
but wait, I wasnt one of them
I mean serously, are you arguing for the sake of arguing
and yet you still want to argue that its justified somehow
I mean seriously
either you are a liar or an idiot
7c5220 No.4016
>>4015>so in the end atheist offers insults, defends islam moderation and I cant even tell if you are still denying you are critising christian mods or agreeing that you are but who cares at this point you just say whats convenient right It's almost as if people get tired of hearing the same bullshit over and over again. Do we have to answer your crap in another language to get through to you?
>then why are you hereBecause you spilled your spaghetti all over the place
>this whole thread was directed at people comlaining about christian moderation, so why did you start a big arguement and then at the end claim Because what you said was false. You equated people's opinions on board moderators with their opinions on the religion of those moderators.
>I mean serously, are you arguing for the sake of arguingIf irony can kill….
>either you are a liar or an idiotI've explained the same things several times to you. This thread got over a 100 posts simply because you're too dense to listen to what everyone is trying to tell you.
I'm done repeating myself and I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with someone who refuses to listen or even respond properly. Keep cherry picking parts of people's replies that you can repeat your horse shit to.
I'm going to get some sleep. You should to. You have school tomorrow.
b15f8b No.4017
Guys care to help me out?
>>4015
>so in the end atheist offers insults, defends islam moderation and I cant even tell if you are still denying you are critising christian mods or agreeing that you are but who cares at this point you just say whats convenient right Strawman
> I mean serously, are you arguing for the sake of arguingProjection
b15f8b No.4018
>>4015Either you are a liar or ___
false dichotomy
730547 No.4019
>>4016>because you spilled your spaghetti all over the placeno heres the thing
OP spcifically said you complain about christian moderation while not saying anything about islam moderaiton
this whole thread is directed to that, the uneven critism
so now to turn around and say at the end
'I have no critism of moderation on christian' I was just arguing because I think you are false and spagetti
is a little disingenuous
but i did call you a liar didnt I
>>4017that's not a strawman you buffon
730547 No.4020
>>4018thats not an arguement, you daft fool , logical fallacies apply to arguments not me calling someone a liar
7c5220 No.4021
>>4019>'I have no critism of moderation on christian' I was just arguing because I think you are false and spagetti Wow, you really do just parrot what people say in hopes it sticks to them too.
730547 No.4022
>>4021fine
Ill just take this thread as evidence that atheism doesnt have any complaints about christian moderation, and should you bitch about it again, Ill come and take you faggots to task
7c5220 No.4023
Look at those multisyllabic words. Our little boy's hitting the thesaurus.
He's going to end up being the best debater on all of /christian. I'm so proud. ;_;
730547 No.4024
>>4023I can be riding the short but to school and still take out you nitwits, look at how this ended, with you faggots admitting you have no complaints about moderation on Christian
7c5220 No.4025
>>4022Never said that Atheism had any complaints about christian mods. I said that I haven't expressed any.
Learn to read before you post. I'm going to make sure your English teacher knows about your reading comprehension.
7c5220 No.4026
>>4024>Admitting you have no complaints about moderation on ChristianYou're so mad that you forgot it's called /christian/.
You're so mad that you've applied the views of one person to the whole of people arguing against you in this thread.
You're so mad that somehow you you hit t instead of s for 'bus' despite them not being close enough to be a simple slip of the finger which indicates that you're so mad you type before you think.
Why u mad tho?
730547 No.4027
>Never said that Atheism had any complaints about christian mods. I said that I haven't expressed any.
right its always someone else that might still feel that way . . . gotta save face while perserving that right to critisize christian moderation by leaving it to someone else
well if anyone else does they are being awfully quiet hoepfully theyll speak up soon
730547 No.4028
>>4026fuck, if someone else has a different view, they can speak up you guys are awfully quiet when its conveienent and awfully loud when its conveinent, part of that intellecutal dishonesty I suppose
save face by getting to defend islam mods while preserving the right to critique christian mods
7c5220 No.4029
b15f8b No.4031
>>4027Strawman again and implying the absence of information implies anything
>>4028Believing in the power of getting the last word to win arguments
730547 No.4032
>>4031you are incredibly dense
7c5220 No.4033
>OP's thoughts when banned from /islam/
b15f8b No.4034
>>4032Ad hominium.
Its been so nostalgic, like arguing on the playground again.
730547 No.4047
>>4033kinda like you guys with that thread complaing about chrsitain moderation - or should I say guys that you guys are going to deny beng now
>>4034part of being a fedora is yelling out random logical fallacy names that don't apply - and doing that makes you an idiot
so ad hominim would be if I said I shouldn't believe your arguement beause you are an idiot
ad hhominion is not when I call your idiodic actions name calling
ad hominim is where you discredit my arguements by saying I'm making logical fallacies, putting up pictures like so
>>4029calling me kid etc.
get it - nah, you'll probably never get it
7cd829 No.4048
Owner of /islam/ here. This thread was linked on my board.
It has been an interesting read.
I only want to address one thing of any real importance: I ban people for speaking harshly against Christians, too. I don't protect Jews any more than I protect anyone else. My board is not a debate board, but for discussion and learning. There is no discussion or learning to be had from insults and epithets.
Though I'm glad someone screencapped my defense of Jewish people. That was a while back, but nothing has changed. I still don't let people use my board as a megaphone for hatred.
Anyway, thanks for the read. Nice board you have here.
730547 No.4049
>>4048abdul, the issue isn't your ban or the moderation, I can understand the ban, (If you look at my preivious post on your site, you can see I usually speak well of islam and defend it - I was pissed off at the moral relativism you adopted on that thread I got banned in, which is what I was commenting on)
the issue here is the hypocracy of this board in leveling contsant critsim against Christianity and christian moderation but remaining silent about islam where the level of moderation is the same if not stricter which is what this therad is about - how these people claim to be secularist but what they really are is a society devoted to attacking Christianity and no one else
f05105 No.4050
>>4048>It's okay, guys because I ban everyone fairly.>Megaphone of trolling.Here we go again…
f05105 No.4051
>>4047Ad hominem is when you attack someone's character rather than their argument.
730547 No.4052
>>4050remember when alex said the same thing your board owner and everyone was like - "but you hould allow debate" "not allowing dissenting opinions is for cults"
is anyone from atheism bringing those elequent arguements here?
no - because you guys are a bunch of intellectual cowards driven by prejudice and not reason
7cd829 No.4053
>>4049I see.
Well, I will admit that I have handed out bans a bit harshly in the past; but it was important to nip certain things in the bud or they would take over and consume the board.
I can't speak for this board, of course.
>>4050My board is a masjid and Islamic cultural center. I would no more let people come to my board to use it as a springboard for hatred anymore than someone could walk into a mosque and not be kicked out for hanging pictures of "le happy merchant" on the walls.
I expect a certain level of decorum and people should be made to feel welcome in the House of Allah, regardless of their religious beliefs.
f05105 No.4054
>>4053At least you admit it. Most Muslims I've met have never had that degree of humility. You're not too bad.
730547 No.4056
>>4054now if only atheists could admit their own hypocrisy in complementing abdul but throwing hot coals at alex . . . but I guess your lot is not known for it's humility
f05105 No.4057
>>4056Alex bans anyone who disagrees with him. Protestants on /christian/ are persecuted mercilessly.
7cd829 No.4058
>>4054I can't speak for the Muslims you've met, but humility is an important thing. We're not here on this planet to force you to be like us. We're not here to demand we be treated in any special way.
We are here for one purpose only: To praise Allah(religion) and to learn of His creation(science). We don't separate knowledge and faith. That's a bit lengthy, though, and not appropriate for the topic at hand.
>>4056I'm sure folks here see me as just as silly and ignorant as anyone with faith in a magical sky daddy, but from what I can tell, alex brings it on himself.
You don't have to be rude to someone just because they don't pray like you do. There is to be no compulsion in religion.
Allah created all things and all people. It is not for us to determine who is and who is not righteous. To despise any one of the world's people is to despise Allah's creation.
Kindness is its own reward.
730547 No.4059
>>4054>Alex bans anyone who disagrees with him. Protestants on /christian/ are persecuted mercilessly.Alex is a a protestant, but hey not like atheism cares about facts, just hating anything chritian
>>4057>I'm sure folks here see me as just as silly and ignorant as anyone with faith in a magical sky daddy, but from what I can tell, alex brings it on himself.I dont think so because as you admitted yourself, the moderation on Islam in the past has been awfully harsh including with complaints on many muslims, so to be fair, if anything you and alex are pretty much the same in your level of moderation
f05105 No.4060
>>4059Hello, Alex.
Of course the moderation on the Islam board has been harsh. It's Islam.
>Alex>ProtestantOy vey.
730547 No.4061
>>4060its a sign of the maturity level of atheism that rather than meeting the issue head on and at least offering an apology, or retraction or anything you guys are responding with lame jokes
7cd829 No.4062
>>4060> It's Islam.We do seem to be a bit "no fun allowed", but that's not always true. Oh, sure, groups like the Taliban are incredibly harsh in their treatment of anything that isn't Qur'an. I mean, they don't allow music or dancing!
But the Taliban are like our Lubavitcher (Jews) or Pentecostal snake-handlers (Christians). They're a laughable oddity, but in no way represent the whole. Just another tree in the forest. Doesn't mean I want people speaking harshly of them, though.
My brother is still my brother, even if he is a criminal.
7cd829 No.4063
Anyway, it has been nice, but I have things to do.
I'll leave with this, though:
I was made to feel very welcome on /christian/ as well as people here seem accommodating. I have nothing bad to say about either board nor the owners thereof.
No one of us will do all the things that please all of the people all of the time. Being a board owner comes with the price of scrutiny and constant questioning of motives. It's how we react to it that matters. My board is an open book. The board log is public, the bans are public (and often amusing), and I can be reached via email easily. I have also made it clear that my personal views are not representative of Islam or /islam/. I am a caretaker, not a ruler.
That said, I'm off to do real life responsible things. Thank you for the conversation. I look forward to many more.
f05105 No.4064
>>4061This is why a discussion exists. At least we don't ban these people.
>Tips fedora>>4062I understand that, but Islam in general has a stringent doctrine in comparison to what most people are familiar with. That's the point I was trying to make.
>>4063Good to have you here.
730547 No.4065
>>4064>This is why a discussion exists. At least we don't ban these people.are you kidding me - you would sit here like a jackass and still complain about christians moderation while in the same thread right now abdul admitted he did the same thing and you faggots gave him a free pass
your previous response to that with lame jokes was actually better
atheism, why are you so hypocritical - when did you lose your integrity
f05105 No.4066
>>4065Nobody gave him a pass for anything.
It's still a reprehensible position. Abdul admitted it though, while you denies it.
Please try not to get so butthurt, Alex
730547 No.4067
>>4066>>Nobody gave him a pass for anything.denial is a river in egypt - I dont know how many so called atheists in this thread now, but if you are reading this you are a faggot because none of you said anything
>>It's still a reprehensible position. Abdul admitted it though, while you denies it.I love the intellecutal dishonesty atheists are capable, its okay when abdul does it because he admits he has been harsh in the past
but hey if there were anything redeeeming or any integrity in this board, you guys would have apoligzed and retracted rather than continuing on
Im not being butthurt, Im just pointing out the hypocracy of atheism, but I guess if you lacked the intellectual honesty to be such hypocrites in the first place you probably lack it enough to see your own hypocrisy and desperate treatment
b15f8b No.4068
>>4063Thank you for coming.
f05105 No.4069
>>4067If you hate atheists so much, why are you even here?
>>>/pol/Go whine about degeneracy.
730547 No.4070
>>4069well your degeneracy is a whole another topic, we are talking here specifically about your hypocrisy, dishonesty, intellectual cowardice in attacking christianity while being apologetic towards islam
what's the problem atheism, I thought you guys wanted more christian atheism debates, not so fond of it now that you're getting browbeaten and exposed for the biased, hypocritical cowards that you are?
b15f8b No.4071
>>4070We want debates with adults which you are clearly not.
15f5f3 No.4072
>>4070
>while being apologetic towards islamWhere?
730547 No.4073
>>4071you want debates where you win, which isn't possible
>>4072every fucken where, read the thread I'm not pointing it out again becase there isn't much point repeating points and arguments over and over again while you deny or pretend it doesn't exist over and over again like faggots
b15f8b No.4074
>>4073There you go projecting again.
730547 No.4075
>>4074look you guys want to engage the points fine, you want to shout buzzwords like assholes might as well end this here
b15f8b No.4076
>>4075Okay. Come back when you've finished school. For your information these aren't buzzwords if you're used to them, but they seem like that when you're hearing them for the first time. You're so far out of your league you don't realize it, and there is a phenomenon for when a person Has below average ignorance but imagines themself to be about average and more knowledgable than they are. As you become more knowledgable you lower your confidence in the amount of your knowledge to more realistic levels.
When I go to the Christian board I don't care about civilness but I look for thoughtful debate, which you are not providing with your repetiore of logical fallacies that have caused some of us to give up on you. I personally am interested in what some call civility, but what I call being intellectually honest, in all my debates with Christians
b15f8b No.4077
>>4076*Above average. I should proofread more.
4ba62b No.4078
>>4075"projecting" is a buzzword to you? Holy fucking shit dude.
730547 No.4079
>>4076
>When I go to the Christian board I don't care about civilness but I look for thoughtful debate, which you are not providing with your repetiore of logical fallacies that have caused some of us to give up on you. I personally am interested in what some call civility, but what I call being intellectually honest, in all my debates with Christiansfirst of all you are not interested in civility you are just a manipulative and passive aggressive cunt who says things like
"there you go projecting again" to demean instead of really arguing
so let me kick you off your little high-horse
the last arguement in this thread was here
>>4067which no atheist has responded to and has instead resorted to insults, ad hominims and whining about why are you here
so really you can keep manipulating and trying to steer this away from the main pint to be about me and my character (the definition of ad hominion)
all the while shouting ad hominim and any other buzzword you can find
but the fact remains, you lack integrity and have tried to weasel around instead of addressing the point of your hypocracy and desperate treatment
b15f8b No.4080
>>4079If you had a main point and weren't here just to stir 100 pages of drama, people might still take your arguments seriously.
730547 No.4081
>>4076maybe you dont realize it because you are one of them but people on this board talk in buzzwords rather than clearly and thoughtfully enunciated points and think they constitute arguments
730547 No.4082
>>4080>f you had a main point and weren't here just to stir 100 pages of dramyou know whta that is, that's an adhominion
rather than addressing or arguing with my point you are trying to dimiss my point by attacking my character
I mean earlier in this thread ahteists were trying to address the point, but now that you lost so badly nothing but insults and ad hominims like the den of vipers that you are
but what can we expect from people with so little integrity,
b15f8b No.4083
>>4081You sound mad because we are using big words you're not used to. You ignored all the long arguments in the first 50 pages and you expect us to deal with you as an equal? Your special bus is here, don't be late.
730547 No.4084
>>4083no i adressed the arguements and it was continuing right up to here
>>4067where you stoppded responding and started the whole
"Whahh why are you here" you are mad, and everything else but replying to the point at hand, because that's how worthless men behave
7c5220 No.4085
>>4084Bullshit, kid. You simply stated the exact opposite of what we said, added nothing new to the conversation, parroted any new words you learned, and continued doing so for over a hundred posts.
It's no wonder people are getting tired of putting up with your bullshit. When I watch a debate between an atheist and a christian, it's usually point, counterpoint, new point, counterpoint, newpoint, etc
In this thread it's more "Alright, you're seriously misrepresenting what we say here. etc etc." followed by you saying "See, you're intellectually dishonest because you praised /islam/'s mod that one single time and never kissed Alex's ass!"
You're a fucking terrible debater kid. I wouldn't be surprised if you're Alex himself.
730547 No.4086
>>4085look prick,
the last point is here
>>4067
>I love the intellecutal dishonesty atheists are capable, its okay when abdul does it because he admits he has been harsh in the past
>but hey if there were anything redeeeming or any integrity in this board, you guys would have apoligzed and retracted rather than continuing on
>Im not being butthurt, Im just pointing out the hypocracy of atheism, but I guess if you lacked the intellectual honesty to be such hypocrites in the first place you probably lack it enough to see your own hypocrisy you have a response to that spit it out
if all you have are insults and rage than I have no time for worthless men
b15f8b No.4087
>>4086(Pic aside, I think he'll keep posting unless he gets he last word which in his mind is a guarenteed way to win arguments.)
7c5220 No.4088
>>4086>look prick,Don't start crying yet, boy.
>I love the intellecutal dishonesty atheists are capable, its okay when abdul does it because he admits he has been harsh in the pastOnce again it must be pointed out that people only praised him for YOUR ban and not anyone else's. No one said anything else about the guy until you came here crying about how you were banned.
I know you have a terrible memory but if you would browse through this board, you'd see that I'm correct with that statement.
>but hey if there were anything redeeeming or any integrity in this board, you guys would have apoligzed and retracted rather than continuing onStop using words you don't know the meaning of. And no one's going to apologize to someone as obnoxious as you were.
>Im not being butthurt,Oh yes you were, boy. You've been shitter shattered this entire thread. Stop with the persecution complex already.
>Im just pointing out the hypocracy of atheism,You're yet to show any hypocrisy. You've just bitched that we've made fun of /christian/ mods for being so ban happy. Has it ever occurred to you that no one has checked /islam/'s ban list yet? Has that ever crossed your mind, boy?
Of course not because you just want to act like we're hypocrites so you can sit on a moral high horse.
>you have a response to that spit it outDon't make me call your parents and tell them you've been very un-christlike on the internet. :^) :^) :^) :^)
>if all you have are insults and rage than I have no time for worthless menBye then. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
730547 No.4091
>>4088>Once again it must be pointed out that people only praised him for YOUR ban and not anyone else's. No one said anything else about the guy until you came here crying about how you were banned.like I said you are a liar but we did this all thread and you are just goign to lie over and over again so whats the point in talking to you
>>3913>>3891atheist praise of islam from months ago
not to mention abul even coming here and admittingto his moderation strategy of no debate allowed and admitting its harsh and atheism being so nice to him in counterpoint to alex and christianity
but whats the point, you lie you deceive you manipulate
you are not someone worth talking to
730547 No.4092
>>4091but this has been this debate over and over again,
I tell you why you are wrong with evidence
you rage, scream and throw adhominims and insults and profanities like animals
then you make the same points again that I refuted just earlier
15f5f3 No.4094
>>4073>every fucken whereThat sounds very specific. Do you understand that without specific examples of what you're claiming, I have no reason to take you seriously?
730547 No.4095
>>4094here two threads above you and I posted them again here :
>>3913
>>389there are also tons of other exampels [osted here but what does it matter, you are just going to pretend it doesnt count, shout adhominims and curses for a few posts and then come back and argue pretendeding like this evidence hasnt been posted like atheists have been doing all thread,
you and your ilk are not wroth talking to because there is not a shred of integrity in you
7c5220 No.4096
>>4094If we're not specific then what the fuck is…
>atheist praise of islam from months ago?
You're getting spanked hard, kid.
7c5220 No.4097
>>4095Damnit, don't use the word integrity. Now he's going to repeat that word a bunch of times.
7cd829 No.4102
>>4091Wait wait wait … I never said debate wasn't allowed. I said I expected debate to remain civil.
The atheists I encounter are kind to me because I don't treat them like children. I believe and they do not. There is no argument to be had. Qur'an tells me "there is to be no compulsion in religion" as well as tells me "Allah decides who will believe and who will not".
I don't see an atheist as a "Muslim waiting to be converted" and I do not preach at them. I will answer questions they have about Islam, but not from a perspective of "I'm right and you're stupid".
Qur'an also tells me to treat people equitably and with kindness and to not be the aggressor, but only act in self-defense. If I am attacked, then I will react accordingly; but words are just words and aren't really an attack. One doesn't respond to words with violence.
730547 No.4104
>>4048
>My board is not a debate board, but for discussion and learningsame thing alex said about christianity and got shit from this board for a while
I realize that you appreciate atheist enuqiry now, but I think this thread has pointed out again and again that ahteists have not really brought any real challenge or debate to your board or to islam, in fact atheism has propped up, defended and supported islam both in this board and previously
this is through no fault of yours abdul but it does show the hypocrisy of atheism -
7cd829 No.4105
>>4104Oh, I see. I may have used bad wording there. Instead of debate, I should have used the word "arguements".
I consider debate to be civil discussion, just a disagreement of ideas. Such things are not only tolerable, but necessary!
If they wish to bring debate to my board, then they are welcome to do so. I will remain civil, of course, but I don't demand my users do the same. If someone is offended, then they are allowed to express that.
The only thing I won't abide is overt racism, use of epithets, we're not keen on swear words, etc. I like to tell people, "Imagine you're going to visit a friend's grandmother. You have to learn what is and is not acceptable and, if you transgress, be willing to accept rebuke."
730547 No.4106
>>4102also abdul, as a Christian I have spent some time with muslims and have been close with devout muslims and I believe sincere muslims will go to heaven
however your words
>I try to pick what I find the most loving, beautiful and helpful in my life and for others.and
>If only men realized their own fallibility when yelling about Truth.and
>I always liked the saying, "I have no problem with the practice of religion, but I fear people who claim to have it perfected."these things I have seen posted in the thread, this is advocacy of relativism and universalism in religion and it is digusting
and look how the infidels speak well of you for it
>>3843I question the sincerity of the belief of a muslim who seeks to have non-believers say nice things to him, and a muslim who denies that Islam is the only turht, that the Koran is the world of god, and Mohammed is the prophet of god = this is not islam, this is universalism and it is a shameful position for a Muslim to hold
730547 No.4108
>>4102Frankly Abdul, it is your board to moderate and the important thing is how muslims feel about it, not how outsiders feel about it,
the only point I am making here is that moderation on your board is no less strict than on christian and so atheism is hypocritical for throwing coals at alex while having a lovefest with islam
7c5220 No.4109
>>4106>and look how the infidels speak well of you for it Atheists praising a religious person for admitting that they may not be 100% right about things and that as humans, they are able to make mistake. Color me shocked. I never would have imagined atheists would appreciate intellectual honesty from people.
>I question the sincerity of the belief of a muslim who seeks to have non-believers say nice things to himPeople want people to say nice things to them and this guy sounds like the kind of person who wants calm respectful debate instead of shit flinging.
>the only point I am making here is that moderation on your board is no less strict than on christian and so atheism is hypocritical for throwing coals at alex while having a lovefest with islamThere you go equating people's opinions about board moderators with their opinions of religion again, kid. No video games for a week.
730547 No.4111
Abdul? Certainly you are not going to let an unbeliever speak for you in this matter and leave it be?
>>4106this is a rather important question don't you think
do you think the quran and the prophecy of mohammed is prefect or do you fear people who claim to have religion perfected?
do you believe that there is no god but god and that Mohammed is his prophet or do you reject "big t truth" and favor relativism where you admit that mohammed and allah and everything else may be wrong?
b15f8b No.4115
7cd829 No.4116
>>4106You seem to be forgetting that Islam applies only to Muslims. Unless we're running the nation, we're not entitled to impose shariah upon non-Believers.
We are supposed to hold fast to our deen, but I can't proclaim what is truth for you. Only Allah knows what's in your heart.
And I seek not the glory of men. How they respond to me is a measure of how I treat them. Isa's rule of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" was not rendered invalid by Qur'an.
I can assure you that Qur'an is the only truth for me. As for you, well, that's between you and Allah.
If that makes me a bad Muslim, then Allah will judge it so. But I've yet to run into a Muslim who wants to force everyone to follow Islam. It would be nice and we very much wouldn't be against global Islam, but we're not allowed to force it.
Neither are you. However, I appreciate your concern over my value as a Muslim and will take all of the words you've said into their due consideration and import.
7cd829 No.4117
>>4111I don't let anyone speak for me - hence the tripcode. But I do have a wife and children and a life outside of the internet. I won't always respond in haste.
7cd829 No.4118
I suppose I should also point out that it's impossible to have a universal truth when it comes to humans.
Some say that it is universal that all humans sin. Except Qur'an tells us that Mary was stripped of all sin when she was in her mother's womb and, thus, could not sin in life.
But she was a human. A human without sin. Thus, not all humans are capable of sin.
Any time you can make an exception, then truth becomes relative. Qur'an is the Truth, but how many people take that Truth to mean "I can kill bunches of people!"?
At the end of the day, any man who tells me a thing, I will listen. If that thing contradicts Qur'an, then I will say, "I don't agree." and be done with it. I will not change his beliefs, nor he mine.
Point of Contention: Christians also hold relative truth. The biggest difference between Islam and Christianity is Original Sin. We believe humans are born pure and perfect, but learn to sin through conditioning and must return to the path of Allah; while Christians believe that humans are born in sin. We believe what we believe because Qur'an tells us that Adam was forgiven and, further, that the sins of the father do not weigh on the son.
So, they have their truth and we have our truth, but which is Truth? It's all relative.
f05105 No.4137
Someone got banned for 10 years for posting a Mariah Carey video.
7cd829 No.4142
>>4137That's hilarious, though the board owner did admit that bans in an era of easy IP change are nothing more than symbolic gestures.
b15f8b No.4143
>>4137Okay, I looked up the ban list for /islam/ and they actually all fit on one page. The bans on /islam/ tend to be more for obvious shit posting & spam than on /christian/ where apart from the regular shit posting bans, I've seen a dozen active discussion threads completely deleted, because the poster didn't agree with the same doctrines as Alex, or his Catholic moderator. Which in theory means Catholics or Protestants could be banned depending on who is moderating. "calling catholics heretics" was a great ban.
Alex also tends to click on "Ban and Delete all" especially if someone admits they're an atheist and doesn't grovel and profusely apologize for being an Atheist. Consequently, there are often missing posts on topics all over the board whenever he bans an active poster.
7cd829 No.4144
>>4143Some of that, too, is deliberate shitposting designed on another board. I'm a pretty smart and capable guy when it comes to this whole internet thing and am a regular on several boards.
It's not difficult for me to spot a thread on another board where someone says "post this on /islam/ for lulz". But I don't hand out bans often. I leave a lot up to my volunteer, who does good work.
730547 No.4447
>>4142So true dude, there have never been any atheist threads ever on Christian because they are all deleted, and should anyone check now and see you are full of it, well . . .
and ban reasons like filth and nobody likes you, well. . .
I don't think anyone buys at this point that Atheism isn't completely motivated by bias and prejudice and not reason as they claim
it's just an anti christian hate group
>>4116
>You seem to be forgetting that Islam applies only to Muslimstruth applies to all people equally or it is not truth
The quran explictly says that Islam is the truth for all people at all times and all men should accept it
15f5f3 No.4471
>>4447
>it's just an anti christian hate groupYeah man, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is just a Christian hater
b15f8b No.4473
>>4447>>4471And Muhammad was just a Christian hater too.
730547 No.4484
>>4471>>4471unlike the people of the atheism board she has the guts to stand up to Islam and critique the bad ponts of Islam, you guys lack this courage even when anonymous
4ba62b No.4491
Reposting what this guy said from this guys repeat thread, sorry all I forgot because I was tired as fuck:
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atheism, how do you justify your staunch defense of Islam even as you attack Christianity? Don't get me wrong, I understand many leading atheist figures do attack Islam, but I'm talking about you 8chan atheists in particular, you are such a group of islam apologists, Dawkins and Hitchens would be ashamed of you.
I suppose you could argue that oh you just know more about Christianity, But it's hard to take that position with posts like this showing that atheism supports and lauds islam.
And is it any coincidence that this sort of praise, and this sort of love in with Islam is occurring at a time when groups like ISIS are committing a mass genocide.
I think the conclusion is simple, the fact that you could so hate one Abraham religion while loving another even more extreme and more deadly Abraham religion that has much graver consequences for the world suggests that your position is not driven by reason or a proper analysis of the facts but by your passions and your emotions. You are driven by raw hatred of Christianity, not a desire for secularism or a wish to promote your unbelief or whatever it is you think you are achieving with these groups.
And given that atheism is really based on the proposition that it is the more rational way forward, we really need not pay attention to the sensation driven denizens of /atheism/ and would be much better off following another atheist community elsewhere.
and before you you stop me with you but christianity arguements may I remind you that even the premise of this board assumed that islam would be a target - because the founder of this board legitimately expected that you would attack Islam rather than apologize for Islam and defend Islam as you have been doing
>Q: Why do you guys mostly discuss the Abrahamic trio (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam)?
>A: That is true to an extent. This is mostly because at the moment Christianity and Islam are very huge religions in the world right now. Keep in mind that many Atheists on this board live in the western world, where Christianity is practiced by most people. We've dealt with Christians the most, many of us were raised Christian, had parents who weren't very happy to hear about our switch to various degrees, and Christians are usually the people we encounter off the net who want to talk and debate with us about our beliefs. So they are usually on our minds when discussing atheism. As for Islam, when you look at the world, you can see all the radical Islamist out there who have done many horrible things in the name of Islam. Some of them try to masquerade as peaceful Muslims and use political correctness to cover up their crimes and/or gain influence. Some are simply misguided when using political correctness
the solution is clear, this /atheism/ community is not the place to promote atheism, it is a place for whiny teens to air their grips with Christianity because mommy and daddy forced them to go to church and stopped them from masturbating
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15f5f3 No.4493
>>4491Here we go:
>atheism, how do you justify your staunch defense of Islam even as you attack Christianity? >addressing atheism as one person
>stauch defense of Islam>while Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, etc. (who I'm apparently supposed to consider 'leaders' of my 'faith', even though I don't) have shat on Islam numerous times
>I think the conclusion is simple, the fact that you could so hate one Abraham religion while loving another even more extreme and more deadly Abraham religion that has much graver consequences for the world suggests that your position is not driven by reason or a proper analysis of the facts but by your passions and your emotions.>this conclusion is based on three posts, with no context
>this /atheism/ community is not the place to promote atheismIndeed it isn't, it discusses religion/lack of religion
>it is a place for whiny teens to air their grips with Christianity because mommy and daddy forced them to go to church and stopped them from masturbating>end whiny post by playing the cliched adult/mature/'I'm the grown up here' card
>mfw 730547 No.4495
>>4493
>while Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, etc. (who I'm apparently supposed to consider 'leaders' of my 'faith', even though I don't) have shat on Islam numerous times read again
> Don't get me wrong, I understand many leading atheist figures do attack Islam, but I'm talking about you 8chan atheists in particular, you are such a group of islam apologists, Dawkins and Hitchens would be ashamed of youIndeed it isn't, it discusses religion/lack of religion
no its a place to attack Christianity while promoting and apologizing for Islam
see photo from your board owner
>>4491 15f5f3 No.4498
>>4495>I'm talking about you 8chan atheists in particularAgain, this conclusion is based on three posts, without any context whatsoever. Three people != the whole of this board
By your logic I can say that /christian/ is an anti-science board if I find three posts of hardcore creationists
730547 No.4500
>>4498I count a lot more than 3
combine that with the lack of critism and you get a fairly incriminating revelation particularly when we contrast it with real respected atheist spokespersons like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris and Bill Mahr who are all very vocal in their criticism of islam, because unlike the people on this board they are logically consistent in their criticism of religions
you however, the silence is deafening the the apologetic is damning
15f5f3 No.4502
>>4500
>I count a lot more than 3 Again, some people != the whole of this board
>combine that with the lack of critism and you get a fairly incriminating revelationHaha, what? What the fuck are you even talking about? You keep insisting that a few people represent an entire group and that watching this board for about 2 minutes gives you the foundation to base an entire character profile of all of the people here. And incidentally (and of course completely by chance), the conclusion is exactly in line with your beliefs. And yet you people still wonder why religious zealots aren't being taken seriously
730547 No.4503
>>4502fine, I will amend my statement - everyone except that one guy in that one thread who once said something negative about islam only to be promptly shouted down by the rest of you so much so that another anon commented that this board was full of muslims
hows that - better
730547 No.4504
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here more damning evidence with people promoting salafi islam on this board (the denomination of ISIS alqaeda and the Taliban) and it was being promoted as no different from any different from any other ideology
how many people rose up to question bad or wrong religious ideas that time - 1 light piece of opposition
you are Hitchens weeping embarrassment
7c5220 No.4506
>>4504It only looks like one of those posters are one of us. OP admitted he's not an atheist. The second post was by one of /islam/'s mods, the post below that was OP replying to that mod, the post after that is the only one who might be an atheist, and the final post is OP again.
So far you have 1 atheist being "nice" to Islam and his comment was just "these states are less batshit insane than those states". That's hardly "damning evidence", boy. Now go do your homework.
730547 No.4507
>>4506I dont think OP was clear on his religion, he just said right wing conservative, which could easily mean religious
but even if we grant that OP is not one of you, you are missing the main point of the critism,
which is that by silence you consent and by your silence you are damned because your silence on the issue of Islam, in contract with your vocal loudness on the issue of Christianity and in further contrast with the vocal loudness of respected atheists on the issue of Islam really speaks volumes about you
7c5220 No.4510
>>4507>I dont think OP was clear on his religionThe OP clearly stated that he's not an atheist you illiterate. If he's on /atheism/ then that's kind of a big deal to post as it gives context as to who's talking.
>but even if we grant that OP is not one of you, I honestly thought you were a middle school kiddie but your reading comprehension places you lower.
>which is that by silence you consent Wow, you really are an SJW.
> and by your silence you are damned because your silence on the issue of IslamI for one have not been silent on the issue of Islam. On various sites I've given the religion as good a railing as any others. Here you are again making assumptions that you cannot back.
> in contract with your vocal loudness on the issue of Christianity and in further contrast with the vocal loudness of respected atheists on the issue of Islam really speaks volumes about youConsidering you were already wrong about me not taking about Islam, I'm going to go ahead and say this is all total bullshit you pulled out of your ass as well.
To make this point perfectly clear; try actually reading this time-/atheism/ does not have to exactly mirror what people like Dawkins/Hitchens/etc talk about during the whole of their careers.
You might notice we haven't talked about creationism all that much. Does that mean we as atheists unfairly give creationism a pass? Or Hinduism, or scientology, etc?
Or could it be that as a small slow moving board, we talk about various subjects and simply haven't gotten to those subjects yet because they weren't within anyone's interests at the moment.
The latter seems far more likely especially since people have already pointed out to you in the past that no one here's buddy buddy with Islam of all things.
You sound as dumb and ignorant as you would assume someone would be if he went onto /christian/ and accused them of being sympathetic to Taoism because they attack atheists all the time but never taoists.
b15f8b No.4513
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>>4503>>4504Why continue to lose internet arguments to grown ups like a troll, when you could use your computer time to look at porn for the first time? You might even mellow out and not feel so oppressed, by Atheists, your father, and your other father in the sky. That is if Christian kids can look at porn.
I bet Alex installed a tight firewall on his computer in case his son borrows it. Alex probably also punishes this kid if he looks at any women outside, by forcing him to stand in a corner and recite the Lord's prayer for 4 hours everyday for 3 months, so now he runs away when women approach.
730547 No.4514
>>4510>I for one have not been silent on the issue of Islam. On various sites I've given the religion as good a railing as any others. Here you are again making assumptions that you cannot back. but this is all we have with /atehism/ bare assertions about how you heroically railed against islam just like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Hitchens and all those brave atheist spokespersons before you
except what we don't have is evidence for that. with Hitchens and Ali we can see a body of work they can point to which shows them critiquing islam. With you all we have is allegations and when we look at your known habitation (8chan) we find that we are hard pressed to find any critique of Islam and find only complements, praise and even defence
which I think calls your credibility as well as the credibility of others on the board nto question when you talk about how you heroically railed against islam
and yes we can infer your views from your silence, for we can expect that if someone comes on your board and says something terribly wrong or something to be disagreed with, that someone would speak up, this is not a court, it is not a criminal trial and I think therefore it is prefectly reasonable for me to use your silence as evidence against you. In fact my point is that you don't critque Islam so your silence is the prefect evidence in such a scenario.
730547 No.4515
>>4513dare I say ad hominim . . . nah naiming of logical fallacies instead of engaging people in argument is obnoxious behavior
thus I will simply say I don't think you have brought anything to the table here in refuting the allegations I have made against you and I take your anger and aggressiveness as evidence that you don't have anything to bring to the table and there is truth in my allegations
thank you
b15f8b No.4519
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>>4515Click the banner ads son.
730547 No.4520
>>4519yes yes I get it, when logic and arguement fail you, you resort to posting weird sex banners and stuff that I guess is supposed to be insulting
nice good for you, congratulation
b15f8b No.4522
>>4520I'm trying to save your soul for being condemned to eternal boredom son.
7c5220 No.4523
>>4514>but this is all we have with /atehism/Can someone please make an /atehism/ board
>bare assertions about how you heroically railed against islam just like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Hitchens and all those brave atheist spokespersons before you And all we have with you are cherry picked screencaps where you aren't even able to see that the people in them aren't atheists to begin with.
>except what we don't have is evidence for that. with Hitchens and Ali we can see a body of work they can point to which shows them critiquing islam. Gosh, it's almost as if everyone here is anonymous so it's almost impossible to trace people back to specific posts and even more difficult to trace them to places outside of 8chan. Who would have thought?
>we find that we are hard pressed to find any critique of Islam and find only complements, praise and even defence Except even in your shitty screen caps there's people railing against Islam.
>and yes we can infer your views from your silence,What fucking silence, dipshit? I and other people have already flat out told you that we don't like Islam. What, do we have to have "fuck Islam" as one of our banners?
You're so fucking dense, kid. When people tell you outright that they don't like Islam but simply haven't posted it, that's not defending it nor is it even being willingly silent about it.
>n fact my point is that you don't critque Islam so your silence is the prefect evidence in such a scenario.Except I have. Again, ourside of 8chan. Do you want me to link you to the places I've critiqued Islam at? would that make your day, boy?
I notice you or /christian/ haven't critiqued Scientology at all. Why are you defending scientology? The fact that you've been silent about Scientology this entire time shows me that unlike many christians, you're hypocritical and actually defend scientology.
See how terrible logic that is? See how it assumes that a board must cover every single subject whether people want to talk about that subject at that moment or not which is faulty reasoning in of itself.
Here, let me make you a deal, kiddo. Wait until Islam starts up another big shitstorm. Maybe another cartoonist is killed or an embassy is bombed or whatever.
If there's no thread about it on /atheism/ within a week of the event, you can parade around about how right you are. Until then, stop making such braindead assumptions about people that you clearly aren't able to back up.
730547 No.4526
>>4522I think the real issue here is your ratios 2 furry for 1 human . . . I think we can see the grotesque perversions to which the atheist lifestyle leads may god have mercy on your perverted souls
>>4523
>I notice you or /christian/ haven't critiqued Scientology at all. Why are you defending scientology?except we don't crtique religions, you sit back and critique Christianity in every single thread under the veneer of atheism
plus I have screencaps of atheists actually defending islam
>Here, let me make you a deal, kiddo. Wait until Islam starts up another big shitstorm. Maybe another cartoonist is killed or an embassy is bombed or whatever.but you didnt did you, when Hebbo happened it was January of 2015, this board was still up then and you posted shit all about islam,
and thats just the rub which throws your cherry picking claims to the floor and the rub that you dont wnat to address, the fact is if you were critqiuing islam there would be evidence of that on this board, or on 8chan, but the only evidence we have at the moment is this board sucking off islam, even in the midst of the Hedbo attacks and before and after hedbo
and all we have to counter that is your bare assertion that you were hard on islam on other sites, which really I dont buy because if you were in fact hard on islam, we would see evidence of it here
b15f8b No.4527
>>4526> but you didnt did you, when Hebbo happened it was January of 2015, this board was still up then and you posted shit all about islam. This board hardly had any posters in January. You could go like 4 days without getting a new post. Besides, do you realize how stupid you sound getting mad at a group of people for not getting throwing a tantrum at the same things you throw tantrums at? Is your autism even curable?
But the internet has a cure. Porn has been proven to do wonders for combating several Christian ailments. Click the banner ads, and you may just find a cure for your angst baby.
7c5220 No.4528
>>4526>except we don't crtique religions, Exactly and by your logic, by what you've been railing about recently, being silent about any religion is defense of it so again, why do you defend Scientology?
>plus I have screencaps of atheists actually defending islam You have one screen shot of non atheists discussing Islam. Good job.
>but you didnt did you, when Hebbo happened it was January of 2015, this board was still up then and you posted shit all about islam, Either you suck at typing or you just admitted that atheists talk about Islam.
>and thats just the rub which throws your cherry picking claims to the floor and the rub that you dont wnat to address, the fact is if you were critqiuing islam there would be evidence of that on this board, or on 8chan, but the only evidence we have at the moment is this board sucking off islam, even in the midst of the Hedbo attacks and before and after hedbo Give some screen shots from during the time Atheists defended Islam during the Hebdo attacks or hell, give screen shots of when atheists here did anything more than simply politely discuss it. you seem to believe that if people aren't ranting and raving about things it means they automatically like it or defend it when in actuality, people might just be trying to have a mature conversation. There's been mature discussions on here about christianity as well along with other things.
Anyways, I'm done putting up with this bullshit. No matter what anyone says or what anyone posts or what screen caps people bring up, you can't seem to grasp the fact that this board is not an Islam circlejerk. Fuck off back to your hugbox because I'm done talking to you.
Inb4 "Hurr durr I annoyed an atheist enough for him to leave that means I win yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!"
730547 No.4530
>>4527>>4528
>You could go like 4 days without getting a new post. Besides, do you realize how stupid you sound getting mad at a group of people for not getting throwing a tantrum at the same things you throw tantrums at? Is your autism even curable? I think you are missing the point,
The point is that you are defending apologzing and failing to critique islam
this makes you unlike famous atheists who do critique islam
and the fair conclusion is this
> think the conclusion is simple, the fact that you could so hate one Abraham religion while loving another even more extreme and more deadly Abraham religion that has much graver consequences for the world suggests that your position is not driven by reason or a proper analysis of the facts but by your passions and your emotions. You are driven by raw hatred of Christianity, not a desire for secularism or a wish to promote your unbelief or whatever it is you think you are achieving with these groupsI think what makes this so patently clear is that instead of asking for instances where you defended islam you have to qualify and ask for things like during the Hedbo attacks when trying to deny that you are defending islam
>Give some screen shots from during the time Atheists defended Islam during the Hebdo attacks 702b41 No.4531
>>3837So you started this thread by linking to the /islam/ thread where you made a fool of yourself with countless logical errors. And now you've linked to this thread on /christian/ even though you lost. All you're good for is stirring things up like a High School drama queen, and not debating.
>>>/christian/47064 730547 No.4532
>>4531thats great Im glad youre mad and Im glad you are declaring victory even though you still havent answered it
231 posts later all we have is more and more evidence about this boards duplicity and responding with furry porn like
>>4519>>4522 730547 No.4533
>>4531well is anyone going to defending this idea
the last I saw was certain atheist faggots deny that they had any problem with christian moderation and run off pretending to be even handed like the lying dogs they are
is there anyone here with the courage of their convictions
15f5f3 No.4562
>>4530
>The point is that you are defending apologzing and failing to critique islamAnd as we've been trying to tell you this entire thread, this conclusion is based on a few anonymous posts, in a picture, without any context whatsoever.
730547 No.4570
>>4562repeat bad arguements until they become true
it's the majority of posts, combine that with scant and light criticism of islam (which we actually saw getting shouted down in a thread) and this was the case even during the Hedbo attacks, no criticism of Islam,. embarassing
15f5f3 No.4572
>>4570
>repeat bad arguements until they become trueNo, I repeat the fact that you post shitty justifications for your claims until you listen, which you have yet to do
>and this was the case even during the Hedbo attacks>>4527>This board hardly had any posters in January. This has also been explained already. Are you just going to endlessly ignore every refutation that people post here?
730547 No.4575
>>4572nigga january was 3 months ago I can't imagine the situation being that different
you would have something if you could counter with evidence of posts criticizing Islam, but you can't
so you have to make up goofy stuff like
:oh our defences were not us, they were fake atheists pretending to be us to discredit us
and
"oh the board was totally different 3 months ago, no one was here"
b15f8b No.4576
>>4572To be fair January was around when this board was reborn and people noticed this board could have discussions again. Before that it was a shit posting wasteland. Imo statuefag's argument thread was when this board first cohesed and asserted itself, and coming into its own legitimate board for discussion without relying only on stale memes for arguments.
>>311 b15f8b No.4580
>>3837Of course, I've suspected the op is statuefag for a while now
>>1508 15f5f3 No.4589
>>4575
>I can't imagine the situation being that different >therefore it wasn't different
>so you have to make up goofy stuffI don't make up anything. Three anonymous people != an entire group on a board. The fact that you still haven't figured this one out shows just how dense you actually are.
Also, if you're statuefag, it would explain a lot. After all, you think that arguments from popularity are valid and that 'miracles' which are never once verified by anyone except a few religious dimwits count as evidence.
I'm going to stop this conversation now, since it's blatantly obvious you're not interested in any conversation. I've told you about five times now that three anonymous people is not a large enough sample to base conclusions on. Also, you never told me once why the pictures were defending and apologizing for Islam. No doubt you will claim this as some kind of victory, I'm just writing this to other people to let them know that they shouldn't bother with you
Also, capitalize the first letter in your sentences. It looks like your posts were written by a 13 year old
730547 No.4597
>>4589>>4589I count 6 people, and that's not including all the other posts sucking islam cock, now find me the converse instead of attacking grammar
this debate should be so easy for you to win, all you have to do is point to evidence showing this board attacking islam and bang, I shut up forever, the reason you are having so much trouble and having to result to whining about capitalization is because that evidence doesn't exist, because I'm right and you have failed to bring any meaningful criticism of Islam
7c5220 No.4600
>>4580>Both users are dumb enough not to know how to use the plural form of atheistBoard owner, can we get confirmation?
7c5220 No.4601
>>4597>Someone points out that a small handful of people don't represent the whole board>Bu-bu-but 6!!!! And I have screen shots!Let me break this down for you. Get your screen caps ready.
Are these really defending Islam?
1.
>Being American. Fuck off this board
This is obvious shitposting and has nothing to do with Islam at all for or against. It would be no different than if I said "Prometheus was a terrible movie", mentioned that I saw it late because the country I was from released it late, and then someone insulted my country rather than talked about the movie.
So now you're down to 5.
2. Oy vey
Also says nothing of Islam. It could either be someone implying that OP's Jewish and thus has a thing against Islam or it could be someone simply using a rather common expression for "good grief" or whatnot.
If it is indeed the latter, then the possibility is open that person was saying "oy vey" at the fact that Islam is such a violent religion. However because there's no evidence either way, one cannot reasonably state what the intention of that post was.
3. "pacifism is shit and the only respectable religions are the militant ones."
This is the closest you've gotten to a pro-Islam comment but it's worth pointing out that this person's praise isn't exclusive to Islam but any militant religion and likely any sect of a religion that is militant.
But for the sake of generosity, I'll give you this one because you definitely need it.
4. Wow, you're pretty cool`! such a difference with the mods of /christian/
I have no idea what board this is on given how the name is custom and it has a flag (something that /atheism/ doesn't have) but to make this clear, even if this was a guy that was talking to a muslim mod, there's a few points to make.
1. This person hasn't mentioned he/she is an atheist let alone from /atheism/
2. Just because you're insulting the moderators doesn't mean you're insulting the religion. If the /christian/ mods are ban happy and the /islam/ mods are not, it's no kissing Islam's ass to point out that fact and to praise it. After all, a lot of people in general are on 8chan because mods became too ban happy over topics like GamerGate. It wouldn't be out of the question that people would prefer lenient mods.
Anyways, due to there being nothing that ties this to /atheism/, it doesn't count.
5. That whole greentext
Not on /atheism/. You seem to have a hard time understanding that just because you're an atheist on 8chan doesn't mean you browse /atheism/. Because your criticism is that this board kisses up to Islam and there's nothing in that comment that draws back to this board, this one cannot be accepted.
6. The same applies.
After all that you only got a very generous 1 of 6 and even that's shaky. This is hardly good proof that /atheism/ kisses Islam's ass and only demonstrates your terrible reading comprehension skills.
730547 No.4621
>>4601here's the inconvenient part that you are ignoring - contentiously and willfully
you could BTFO me in a second just by pointing to anything critical of islam
I could easily find stuff critical of islam
I have posted stuff extremely generous to Islam
so why isn't there anything meaningfully critical of Islam ?
I think until you acknowledge that the non-existence of criticism, (like the non-existence of god in your opinion) is important and meaningful a fact that we can draw conclusions from we are going to go back and forth like this
7c5220 No.4625
>>4621Alright then.
>>4597>forcing your daughter to suck Allah's cock>RespectableYour own shitty screen caps have one. And that's from the thread on /atheism/ and is actually critical of Islam in the sense that it promotes child abuse and thus is not "respectable".
Boom, bitch.
730547 No.4633
>>4625that's not really a criticism of Islam so much as a criticism of the guy who promotes Islam
see. . . it's not that easy is it . . and therein lies the problem
54715e No.4637
>>4633>Moving the goal post backI'm not ever the guy you're responding to, and even I think you're a faggot. You lost. Game over. He did what you asked. Now be an honorable man and keep your promise, and shut the fuck up.
730547 No.4639
>>4637well of course you think I'm a faggot, I'm being critical of you and calling you and your friends on the board a group of hypocrites
now notice how hard it is to find criticism of Islam on this board, notice the extreme dearth of criticism and deal with it
really all you have is the OP of the thread I posed who was trying to critique jihad before, astonishingly getting shouted down
54715e No.4645
>>4639There's a thread about Islam right now. You've seen it by now if you weren't so busy throwing out evidence that contradicts your bullshit.
Here I'll link it to you:
>>>/atheism/4560Also, you were really worried about what we thought of Islam, you just ask us. Instead of using obviously flawed means of gathering data. It just show you have a conformation bias.
730547 No.4646
>>4645yeah that was started yesterday after I started berating you guys . . . and it only has a few posts. . . and the last post on there is me trying to argue against people trying to excuse Islamic violence by saying it's just a product of national circumstances
54715e No.4648
>>4646>and the goal post moves backSo? At all those things. So what?
We're not any more pro-Islam than we are pro-Christian. Your data is shit. You logic is shit. Your excuses are shit. You're shit.
730547 No.4649
>>4648So?
well lets think about this the way a reasonably objective person might
the only critism you can bring forward on islam is a scant thread started yesterday, after a christian came and be-rated you for not critisizing islam
does that sound like legitimate even handedness on your part, or does it sould like compensating and covering in reaction to outside criticism?
yes it's good that you are cristizing islam but I don't think it defelects from my critism here any more than if you were to just post
pisslam is shit
now in this thread and then turn around and attempt to use that as evidence of evenhandness . . . it wouldn't be all that convincing
b15f8b No.4652
>>4649>well lets think about this the way a reasonably objective person might Noooo, you already have to earn back the right to use that terminology. You can't spout illogical shit and flame everyone on at least 2 boards, and then ask people to see things logically like you do.
54715e No.4661
>>4649So, let me get this straight. Any anti-Islamic post made before your bawing about perceived unfairness, isn't good enough by standards set by you and only you. Not only that, but any post made after your shit posting is irrelevant because this entire board is conspiring against you. Because the anonymous posters on this board care deeply what you, a potential troll, think about them.
Does a tin foil hat come with that opinion?
How about the more obvious and likely answer:
You have a confirmation bias.
730547 No.4663
>>4652>>4652alright, lets go back to the thread you just refered to - currently it's in a debate with atheists defending islam and trying to explain away vilence in islam as merely a result of national and social factors unrelated to religion
>>4661
>So, let me get this straight. Any anti-Islamic post made before your bawing about perceived unfairness, isn't good enough by standards set by you and only you.oh really, so now we're going to pretend we posted evidence and then slowly ignore the fact that you can't point to it, class atheist classy,
at least we can admit that we base things on faith, making up evidence is just
54715e No.4666
>>4663>oh really, so now we're going to pretend we posted evidence and then slowly ignore the fact that you can't point to it, class atheist classy, Oh really, so you're just going to ignore all the evidence that was pointed out, class Christian classy,
At least we try to find evidence to support our position, instead of just believing what ever we feel like.
d4838a No.4667
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>>4663New request. Op, I want you to go to the Christian board, say you're an Atheist and start flaming them as ferociously as you did here or on /islam/ Watch how long your thread remains. Then come back here and demonstrate if you still have your confirmation bias.
If your thread is deleted without a trace, you have proof the islam and atheism boards are fairer places for honest discussion.
54715e No.4668
>>4663>currently it's in a debate with atheists defending islam and trying to explain away vilence in islam as merely a result of national and social factors unrelated to religion They've mostly agreed the violence is because widespread of racial Islam. Now they are just debating what causes radical Islam to be so prevalent. Is it education and standard of living?
946437 No.4679
>>4663
>alright, lets go back to the thread you just refered to - currently it's in a debate with atheists defending islam and trying to explain away vilence in islam as merely a result of national and social factors unrelated to religion There is only one person defending Islam in that thread, and that person is you. Specifically, you posted incomplete statistical data and used it to make a misleading and very favorable claim about Saudi Arabia's economy and education.
For you to claim that atheists in that thread are defending Islam is for you to look at something and somehow see the exact opposite of what is happening. It is impossible to debate with such insanity.
730547 No.4724
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>>4667as feroucsiously as I did on islam - that part has already been debunked in this thread when I posted a person saying you dont actually believe in this stuff, which is what I did on islam and go banned for
>>4679keep reading the thread - raising economic and social conserns as the reason for islams violence suggests that islam is not inherently violent, and is thus a defence of islam
also latest ban on islam, I think muslims are much more critical of the moderation there than you are, which I believe is typical, I find that muslims tend to be much more critical of islam than atheists do
b15f8b No.4727
He banned a troll. And no, I'm still challenging you to post on the /christian/ board as an Atheist. You have no problem with posting limks to this thread there, or trying to stir up drama in an unchristian way, so I want you to start a thread there and see the manner in which you are banned. Say you're an Atheist and have problems with the religion, and then call Christians stupid assholes, etc as you've clearly done elsewhere. if you don't do it that's because "you have no conviction." See, two of us can play the shifting of the burden of proof game.
946437 No.4732
>>4724Direct quotes from every poster in that thread until you showed up:
>Islam will stop shitting up Europe when Islam no longer exists.>Even if Muckslimes stop being violent, they will still be retarded.>As long as Islam exist someone will be attacking>Islam is a very violent religion. There's no dancing around that fact.Somehow, amidst all of this, you interpret a "defense of Islam" by these atheist posters.
You are making it impossible to discuss anything with you. You take cherry picking and cognitive dissonance to an amazing new height. You completely epitomize drawing your conclusions first and then selectively seeking only whatever information could conceivably be used to support your conclusions.
We cannot discuss anything with you if you are going to behave like this. It would be easier to teach language to a dog.
54715e No.4768
>>4668>because widespread of racial Islam.because of widespread radical Islam. Fuck you auto-correct.
730547 No.4770
>>4732yes, I have to admit that some of the posters did get it
but not all,
for example the last guy you quoted
>Islam is a very violent religion. There's no dancing around that fact.if you read his full quote he seems to imply that this violence is a result of social and national circustaimes of muslim countries.
And that's the problem because that's saying, islam is not really violent, it's just cultural and national circumstances that have made it violent.
So in a roundabout way, it's a denial of the violent nature of islam because it attributes the violence to factors other than islam
if that doesn't make sense, please read the rest of the thread, I will try and clarify there
7c5220 No.4780
>>4770>No one on /atheism/ says anything bad about Islam>N-n-they didn't say it before I pointed it out!>T-t–not everyone said bad things about Islam and I made up this loophole for one of them!Jesus Christ, dude. You lost. Get over it.
7c5220 No.4784
>>4770Oh, and the full quote you're referencing
>Islam, as far as their holy book goes, is just as violent as Christianity and Judaism. It's just Islam is less modernized in most places where it's widely believed. Maybe one day people all over the world will be well educated enough and the standard of living will be high enough that no one will believe in any religion. Maybe one day, in a utopian future.
>But yeah, you're right. Islam is a very violent religion. There's no dancing around that fact.All this vs what you said
>if you read his full quote he seems to imply that this violence is a result of social and national circustaimes of muslim countries. That gives absolutely no defense of Islam if you actually bother to read it and not shove your head up your own anus.
The guy's saying that the reason Christianity, despite being as violent as Islam, isn't as violent as Islam today is because it was able to be modernized. Islam is not modernized so it's as violent and abhorrent as any other religion and doesn't have that special filter of its followers not following the faith to the letter for the sake of the modern world.
He's not saying Islam is violent due to social circumstances he's saying it's violent in spite of social circumstances.
You've completely misrepresented that comment for the sake of trying to say "BU BU BU DA DUN COUN!!!!!!" like Jonathan McIntosh. Check the picture, that's basically you right now!
How fucking dense are you, boy?
b15f8b No.4785
>>4780The op has never lost an argument to anyone in his entire life. That's why he talks back to his mother. The Op knows that if he argues long enough, and changes what he says when he loses on a point, everyone will give up which means he was smarter than everyone else. Then he can stick his tongue out and dance around his mom, laughing at her. People might call this being stubborn, but OP knows he is just standing up for his convictions, and persistence doesn't make him a poor loser. It makes him a true hero, like David.
730547 No.4788
>>4784>>4780fine you guys win you guys said something bad about islam after I pointed out to you that you never said anything bad about islam and after I started this thread, thus making me lose the argument
now if we can focus in a honest and sincere manner on the lack of ciritism of islam that comes from this board - perhaps just this once we can accomplish a little more than voice smart-alec remarks
730547 No.4789
>>4784>>Islam, as far as their holy book goes, is just as violent as Christianity and Judaism. It's just Islam is less modernized in most places where it's widely believed. I'm not certain how you interpret that but to me it appears that he is saying that islam is violent because it is less modernized where it is believed
and that the koran is no more violent than Christianity or Judaism
d60233 No.7704
Muslims are theologically attached to human imperfection, so according to them we should stick to the Quran, which is the uncreated word of God. In short: Dog is perfect, humans aren't, who should you trust?
That's also why muslims "tolerate" so many sects (the Sunnis, the Shia, which are themselves divided into sects such as the Hanbali, the Maliki, the Hanafi, and so on). The salafis are an exception, as they destroy muslim buildings they disapprove, such as tombs of Sufi saints.
Of course, you could say that Muhammad created the Quran by himself, but if you really want to rustle some muslim's jimmies, say that some verses have been dictated to Muhammad by Djibril, and others by Sheitan (the so-called satanic verses), and therefore the Quran cannot be trusted. That is why Salman Rushdie was threatened to death a few decades ago.
>>4784
>that picture
Why should I keep living?
d60233 No.7705