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f69602 No.4560[View All]

Islam's basically going through it's own dark ages. How do we speed it up so it stops shitting up all of Europe?
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9a22c3 No.5068

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>>5065
>>5053
>>5045
>I'm out
Don't forget, you're here forever.

0cf629 No.5076

>>5061
>They're both Abrahamic religions. They are VERY comparable.

not really because they take completely different points

Christianity is based completely off Jesus and the apostles comments on them

Islam is based completely on the works of Mohammed and the writings about the lives of him and his companions.

Yes they are similar in that Mohammed used many Christian themes and stories, and names but the similarities end there because he established a completely different set of rules and different set of world views.

The rules of Christianity, (turn the other cheek, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword, blessed are the persecuted etc) are a far cry from the rules of Mohammed.

You have to show that they are similar enough that a comparison of Christianity and Islam is like comaring firday the 13th and nightmare on elm street, you have to demonstrate that this is an apt analogy and I dont believe that the mere fact that they are Abraham is enough to establish that.

For example modern reform judaism is a far cry from the Judaism of the iron age where they regularly stoned people and were constantly at war, the mere fact that both are abrahamic doesn't mean that they are similar enough to be compared alongside each other like two slasher flicks and that its not more apt to compare modern Judaism to a Disney flick and ancient Judaism to a slasher flick.

Similarly I think Christianity has much more in common with modern, reformed judaism whereas Islam is much more similar to ancient blood bath death cult judaism.

9a22c3 No.5088

>>5065
You're just acting overly defensive by refusing to analyse them. Which make's you look like you've realized you're wrong and just don't want to admit it. Backed into a corner and desperate. Hell, analyzing the Quaran and Bible would take longer than two movies. One of the reasons I chose those two because their large fan bases. There are plenty of resources out there for you. You could probably find a super cut of all the violent parts. It's not due tomorrow, take as much time as you want.

19ca20 No.5123

>>5076
Can you compare Christianity to Islam? How would you compare them? I don't know, you tell me. I know their are differences between them, but that's beside the point. The point being, can you objectively prove Christianity is more violent than Islam? If you could, then you could also objectively prove that one of the two films (A Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th) is more violent than the other. In fact it would be easier. Combing over and analyzing the Quran and Bible could take months, maybe even years. Analyzing those two movies would only take few days to a few weeks. I'm just making things easier, so you can put your money where your mouth is. If you can demonstrate that you can objectively prove which film is more violent, I will believe you when you say you can do them same with two religions.

So, I'll ask again. What film is more violent A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) or Friday the 13th (1980)?

0cf629 No.5124

>>5123
yeah but like I said before we do that you have to show that comparing Christianity to Islam is like comparing Nightmare on elm to Friday and not like comparing Bambi to Friday you haven't yet demonstrated that yet and thus your analogy cannot stand.

This whole argument that the comparison is fair because they are both Abrahamic doesn't hold up.

Nightmare and Friday, it's difficult to tell which is more violent because they both have huge quantities of violence

So is it the same with Christianity and Islam? Do we have to sit here and compare verse by verse by reading both texts?

No because someone else has already done that for us and posted it on this board in another thread

http://8ch.net/atheism/res/4935.html

and clearly demonstrated that Islam is much much more violent than Christianity and so it's not like comparing two similar slasher flicks, as you, for no reason, suggest it is

19ca20 No.5129

>>5124
It's a demonstration. I'm asking you to demonstrate what you claim you can do. That's it. If you can demonstrate it, I will be inclined to believe you can do it.

>This whole argument that the comparison is fair because they are both Abrahamic doesn't hold up.

Then you've lost the argument by admitting you can't compare them.

>Do we have to sit here and compare verse by verse by reading both texts?

That's up to you. You're the one making the claim.

You know what, I think I'm talking to a different guy. Are you the same guy I've been talking to ITT, or are you some other guy just wondered in and is lost?

>No because someone else has already done that for us and posted it on this board in another thread

Yeah, you're some other guy, who has absolutely no clue why I keep asking about horror movies, and why it's relevant. Never mind, you are at the tail end of a very long conversation. Just forget it. I would suggest you lurk more.

>and clearly demonstrated that Islam is much much more violent than Christianity and so it's not like comparing two similar slasher flicks, as you, for no reason, suggest it is

No, that's not what I'm suggesting it is "Mr. Buts-into-a-conversation-without-knowing-what-it's-about-first". What I'm asking is, did he prove it objectively like he claims he can. Like as an obsolete indisputable fact. Not a matter of opinion.

19ca20 No.5130

>>5129
>obsolete
*absolute

b153af No.5131

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>>5088
>>5123
Jesus fuck you're a gibbering numbskull. No one will waste weeks to prove an obvious implication of the methodology. All the study will show is that each movie will for each metric is either greater than, equal to or less than the other. If you want to say the movie with more blood, more violence, longer depictions of violence is actually less violent then your subjective opinion is wrong. The objective measures would not support it, your interpretation would be full of shit and only true to you and not based on the reality. If they're about the same then they're about the same.

You're practically looking at dinosaur fossils after being carbon dated and saying that "hurr we still could interpret it that they are 10,000 years old durr". See there are limits to subjective interpretation of data, if your interpretation is based on feeling despite what's demonstrated you're full of shit. If your conclusion is based on the evidence that is objective interpretation.

Holy fucking shit, it's like I have to spoonfeed basic logic into your retarded skull. I seriously doubt you're an atheist, probably some retarded Islamist pretending to be an atheist. You lack all semblance of reason.

And look here's a quick comparison proving these religions are different:

Quran: 77,429 words
http://corpus.quran.com/releasenotes.jsp
Bible: 930,243 words
http://www.artbible.info/concordance/

And you can show Islam is more violent than Christianity just as you can show Uganda is more impoverished than Canada. But you're a retarded postmodernist whose dogma is that everything is the result of poverty. This is really why you're having such a hissy fit, you can't stand that poverty might not be the end all and be all that there might be other factors that influence these complex behaviors and events. But lets keep our heads up our asses instead of developing a model that takes into account all the variables being computed.

Or is it because Muslims are brown and anyone criticizing Islam is racist? You're pathetic for an atheist if you're going to bend over for a religion because they aren't cis white males.

Fucking hell why am I wasting my time when I have a Capstone design report to finish?

>>5068
You said it, but I'm going afk after this.

>>5124
Well to be fair there was no formal tabulation of the count of verses. Just methodology and one set of studies looking at word count of violent words. It's written why it's incomplete in the thread.

However it's looking like Islam is more violent overall. Especially given the word count of their books being smaller.

>>5129
>Not a matter of opinion.
So you can have the opinion that Uganda is as impoverished as Canada and you'd still be right despite all the evidence showing that isn't so? No because that's objectively wrong, it is in contraction to the evidence. I'm sorry if you are on LSD and the charts evened out in your drugged up brain.

This is the point, dipshit. You can demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that the contrary is wrong leaving you with the other hypothesis.

Seriously lay off the hippie drum circle bong.

Peace out, niggers.

b153af No.5132

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Guys look the world is equally impoverished all around, who cares what the data shows? My opinion is supreme. My opinion can disagree with the facts and therefore debunking them.

I'm a postmodernist.


And fuck you I'm out.

19ca20 No.5134

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>>5131
>>5132
You're try to hide behind the comparison of poverty, but I'm not buying it. I don't think saying what is more violent, is like saying who is more poor. Nah, that analogy doesn't really hold up. Because it's not about mine or your opinion, it's about finding a method that can demonstrate what's more violent. There are methods to measure poverty sure, but I haven't heard of a method to measure how violent something is.

You know what would hold up? Answering what film is more violent A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) or Friday the 13th (1980)?

>Hurr durr you're a postmodernist

Nope

0cf629 No.5136

>>5132
Dude that's totally like two horror movies, totally no difference

0cf629 No.5138

>>5134
actually it's almost exactly the same thing because poverty is subjective

do we measure poverty by GDP, per capita GDP, purchasing power parity?

If the people in a given town have money but lack of infrastructure and corrupt government causes them not to be able to get everything they need is that poverty?

So we can see that in any measure there are grey areas and confusion. Does that mean that poverty is the same everywhere and Poverty in America is the same as Poverty in Zambia just because both countries are examples of post colonial English culture.

No way, because by any sensible measure America is much less improvished than Zambia and the pockets of poverty in America won't change that.

Same with Islam and Christianity, yes there are violent verses and examples of violence in Christianity. But Christianity doesn't form hundreds of militias hellbent on Jihad, have bloody borders in nearly every nation that it's been a part of, doesn't kill apostates, doesn't stone adulators or hang homosexuals.

The biggest fear in the middle east is that their nation will fall to Islamists. This is why any involvement in an Islamist group leads to imprisonment and torture in nations like Syria, Egypt, and any Muslim country with secular rule. This is why we have instant secretarian warfare the moment a dictator collapses (see Iraq, Libya).

This is why governments like the Taliban exist and nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan support them.

To pretend that's the same level of violence as your average christian couple protesting homosexuals and abortions is just willful ignorance, ludicrous, and I can't even imagine what could motivate it other than crass stupidity and a hatred for Western civilization. This isn't even anti-Christianity anymore, it's just anti-humanity.

b153af No.5140

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>>5134
>You're try to hide behind the comparison of poverty
No I'm trying to show you how they relate, you goddamn retard.

>but I'm not buying it.

I wouldn't expect someone as retarded as you to get much of anything.

> I don't think saying what is more violent, is like saying who is more poor.

Your opinion. See you're pomo.

Case in point:
>Nah, that analogy doesn't really hold up.

>Because it's not about mine or your opinion

You even contradict yourself. All you have is you opinion.

>There are methods to measure poverty sure, but I haven't heard of a method to measure how violent something is.

I gave you plenty throughout the thread, dipshit. Count the number of times it engages in violent behavior, violent behavior defined strictly as actions one does to another inflicting harm and death (we can also add intent because a doctor technically does poke through some tissue when injecting a flue shot, but lets not because this more complex things get the harder it gets for people as cognitively deficient as you) . There's one measure. Do you not know what a measure is? Do I really have to spoonfeed this much? Man you're more retarded than I gave you credit for. Look we've been measuring violent behavior for a while:
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats

And the CDC has about 400 pages going over some measures:
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/yv_compendium.pdf

Plus some shit to hurt your pomo ass:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2922855/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912004047
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/mp2014130a.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22297589
Look another factor besides poverty and culture that needs to be considered in modelling violence. You must be so sore right now. Oh but let me guess this is just whitey oppressin?

It's like you have trisomy 21 or very something alike.

>Answering what film is more violent A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) or Friday the 13th (1980)?

Frozen or Friday the 13th? Or which is more impoverished Botswana or Uganda? You've been dodging this.

Besides as I've said before but apparently no amount of repeating will get shit through your think but hollow head. All the study will show is that for each movie each metric will either be greater than, equal to or less than the other. If you want to say the movie with more blood, more violence, longer depictions of violence is actually less violent then your subjective opinion is wrong. The objective measures would not support it, your interpretation would be full of shit and only true to you and not based on the reality. If they're about the same then they're about the same.

There's no point in this exercise.

>Nope

Denial, fucking hipster pomo.

Even Christards are more reasonable than you.



Why can't I leave? I have lab in the morning. It's like your autism is contagious (that's a joke by the way). Fuck it, I'm out.

19ca20 No.5177

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>>5138
>>5140
>Poverty
No, and I've already explained why. This is about finding and using a method that can demonstrate and prove objectively what is more violent.

>Frozen or Friday the 13th?

Nope, you don't get to pick the films. If you do, I can always say it wasn't a fair comparison. But if I chose the films, I can't back peddle if you prove your point.

So, what film is more violent A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) or Friday the 13th (1980)?

19ca20 No.5178

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>>5131
>>5140
You need to learn what the words fact, opinion, objective and subjective mean.

19ca20 No.5179

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>>5140
>Why can't I leave?
I tried to warn you.

b153af No.5186

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>>5177
>This is about finding and using a method that can demonstrate and prove objectively what is more violent.
I can only demonstrate, even evolution isn't proven formally with how many vast resources employed and you expect me to prove this? Fuck off. It's just demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt at this point. Be realistic.

So let me demonstrate this whole thing for the last time:

First we have to define what we mean by violence. Strictly as behaviors that inflict harm (including death) upon others. So real world events that literally meet this description.

Then simply count the times this is met and see which is greater than, equal to, or less than the other.

Now lets say you had a problem with my definition, you can have your own definition of violence and still count the times something happens that meets your description. If you don't catch it it is your error, not the methodology's.


But how do you think poverty is measured, dingus?

It's defined as severe economic disadvantage. It's arguably even more subjective the way it's defined because what's severe? It's not merely disadvantage because the second richest person is disadvantaged to the richest or maybe relatively speaking. Also based on money that has a value which is entirely based on subjective demand. At least with violence measures it's based on a direct physical action. Every time the physical action happens you count it. It's like counting the times the there is a voltage between the nodes.

Now poverty could be defined as getting less than your nutritional needs but that doesn't get the whole picture. Because people also need clothes but is that 1 set or 2 because you need to at least have clothes while you wash? Shelter but designs vary so much and material costs, material access, I guess it could be access to cheapest available.

Lets talk about how money gets its value which all these measures are based on pretty much, I doubt anyone really does the minimum calorie and micronutrients counts, those are at best just estimates based on economic analysis.

Why Do you know Canada is less impoverished than Uganda? Despite all these caveats to measuring poverty?

And we haven't even really discussed these measures. Like where people sit in relative position in income distribution. Doesn't seem like a bad measure, it would meet the definition since being in the 1st quartile is more economically disadvantaged than being in the 3rd. But so is relative position in violent crime offending distribution for violence. If someone killed 7 people they were more violent than someone who killed 3. And someone making 80k is less impoverished to someone making 30k. 80k eventhough money is subjectively valued, 80k is still more than 30k. Just like 8 people dead is more than 3 people dead.

It's simple inequalities.

And saying "go kill them" 10 times is more than saying that 3. Unless you want to be a total Christard right now and say when the book says "go kill" it really means go pet a bunny.



>A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) or Friday the 13th (1980)?

Which is more impoverished Uganda or Botswana? We know they're impoverished but how?

You've been trying to say all 3 of the desert cults are as equally as violent in their texts, they're all equally retarded but that's another matter. This is your mistake that I think the Christard was trying to get you to understand. Abrahamic is the authors. Slasher flick is a descriptor, it describes a movie involving killing and horrific violence based on the content. Just by using these two films this you're admitting you know when violence happens [and you don't thin it's petting bunnies like in Frozen (haven't seen it) or whatever]. This is your error.

You can't be reasonable and say comparing Spielberg movies is the same to comparing Romantic comedies. These are different types of categories. Even if it was the same author could for one book write it as a gore fest, the second book as a romantic comedy and the third as a horror even in the same series. While romantic comedies will all have the intention of being funny and romantic in some way. But in this case Spielberg was different people in different places at different times merely one set that built on the previous while the third rewrote the books entirely. And just as you can rewrite Frozen into a slasher flick you can rewrite past books and make them even more violent.

>>5178
samefag

>A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.

Someone actually wrote shit in the book or captured things on film, it's not a skywizard. I know you want it to be some magical man but there is absolutely no evidence for it.

>In general, an opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective

b153af No.5187

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>>5186
How do we know Uganda is more impoverished than Canada?

Are there things we measure to compare them in terms of what we define as poverty?

How did we ever come to this conclusion?

We're pomos, it's just our opinion.

Like whitey being evil. That's why when a Muslim flies a plane into a building, it's actually all whitey's fault. The fact he was screaming Allahu Ackbar had nothing to do with it. It's just whitey and his patriarchy.

b153af No.5189

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>>5187
btw guys in pic are Christarded, funny how they resemble white liberal hipsters so much.

b153af No.5191

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b153af No.5193

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>>5186
If the problem is with the word harm, physical injury is a better term.

Violence is the application of physical force to injure someone.

So we can count the instances of the application of violence. Whenever the action described occurs count it. There measure.

b153af No.5194

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>>5177
>I've already explained why

19ca20 No.5195

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>>5186
So, are you admitting that you can't objectively prove what film is more violent? Or is this another rant about how you could in theory but refuse to do so in practice? In your fit of rage you've written quite the essay, but still refuse to answer my question. Why not just answer it?

What film is more violent A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) or Friday the 13th (1980)?

>samefag

So, I made an after thought post. So, what? You do it too, even more so than me.

>>5187
Straw man

I'm not a postmodernist, but I am a skeptic. If you were one too, you wouldn't be so desperate to prove me wrong just because I piss you off. You'd be listening to what I'm saying more, and trying to understand the message I'm trying to convey.

>>5193
Nope, that's not the problem.

b153af No.5201

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>>5195
>So, are you admitting that you can't objectively prove what film is more violent?
Holy shit, actually read what I wrote.

>Or is this another rant about how you could in theory but refuse to do so in practice?

What will the practice actually do? Either we find one movie has a greater degree of violence according to these objective measures (just like the objective measures in poverty, actually more objective for reasons mentioned earlier) than another or we find they're relatively hard to distinguish aside from aesthetics and quality. Why do I need to do this? Honestly what will this prove? That we can count instances between two groups and see the relation? Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that? Are you fucking kidding me?

> In your fit of rage you've written quite the essay

Where I describe in detail the thinking behind it. You're just an idiot and it's frustrating trying to get you to understand.

>Why not just answer it?

I am you fucking tard, you just have an IQ half of a peanut and don't understand what I'm saying. This is the problem.

>I'm not a postmodernist, but I am a skeptic

HAHAHAHAHA, you say this like pomos are skeptical. Also where is your skepticism to Uganda being more impoverished than Canada? You're selectively critical like a pomo, you only are critical of things that can debunk your poverty is everything narrative. See pomos are critical of Western civilization but they bend over backwards for Islam.

>If you were one too, you wouldn't be so desperate to prove me wrong just because I piss you off.

You're the one whose desperate here, you've given no real criticism to what I'm saying. And idiots like you do piss me off.

>You'd be listening to what I'm saying more

That's so rich, and you wonder why I get pissed off? Why not read my "essay"?



Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that?

Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that?

Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that?

Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that?

Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that?

Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that?

0cf629 No.5202

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>>5195
the point you are trying to convey is a logical fallacy

see: false analogy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_analogy

you are drawing a false comparison between two religions and two slasher flicks with the hidden (and unproven) assumption that the similarities in violence between Christianity and Islam is like that of Slasher movies or that the levels of violence are even comparable

check this I can use your false analogy to prove all sorts of stupid shit

is a brithday part more violent than a concentration camp?

well it's like comparing two slasher flicks, Friday the 13th and Nighmare on Elm street

since we can't say that one is more violent than the other it is unreasonable to conclude that a concentration is less violent than a birthday party.

Thus we should have no aversion to North Korean concentration camps as since they are no different from birthday parties

b153af No.5204

>>5201
Watch as the faggot invokes Dunning Kruger.

19ca20 No.5253

>>5201
>I am you fucking tard
Ok then, what's the answer? What's your conclusion? Which movie is more violent?

>Why do I need to do this? Honestly what will this prove?

The answer to your question is in your previous sentence here:
>Either we find one movie has a greater degree of violence according to these objective measures than another or we find they're relatively hard to distinguish aside from aesthetics and quality.
Yep, we do just that. Now, are the measures you use superior to other measures that demonstrate a different result? How would you prove that one measure is better than the other? This would be easier if you would just answer my question, take a position and analyze the films. I tried to tell you, and you wouldn't listen. So, now I'm trying to show you.

>You're just an idiot and it's frustrating trying to get you to understand.

Oh, I understand fully what you are saying.

>Are you seriously saying we can't count the number of times people are killed in a movie and compare that?

Nope, I never said that.

Your problem is that in your frustration you fire off in 10 directions, 9 of which are irrelevant and don't address my points or anything that I've said. You need to chill.

>>5202
We've been over this. We're not comparing two religions to two slasher flicks. I'm trying to get him to demonstrate his claim. If he can demonstrate his claim on the films, I will believe him when he says the same can be done for the religions.

0cf629 No.5254

>>5253
>>5253
>> I'm trying to get him to demonstrate his claim. If he can demonstrate his claim on the films, I will believe him when he says the same can be done for the religions.

And thats called an argument by analogy and an argument by analogy falls apart if the analogy is weak

Fuck this board needs lessons in logical fallacies.

19ca20 No.5255

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>>5254
I think it's a fair way to demonstrate his claim. He thinks he can demonstrate both using the similar logic, and that's good enough for me. So, how is that comparison weak? How is it illogical? Sounds logical to me.

>Fuck this board needs lessons in logical fallacies.

Well, you completely misrepresented my argument here:
>>5202
That's a logical fallacy.

0cf629 No.5258

>>5255
I've explained it multiple ways here

- comparing Christianity to Islam is not like comparing two slasher flicks

- just because it's hard to tell which flick is more violent does not mean we cannot compare two different religions, there might be other reasons it's hard to tell the violence level of two flicks (like they are both very violent and very similar movies)

a false analogy - you are drawing an analogy between violence in two different religions with violence in two films, and you are claiming tha just because it's hard to tell for these two particular films it's hard to tell for two different religions

I've already showed you why the method of logic is unreasonable because it can be used to prove absurd things

I can say we cannot tell the difference in violence between school schootings and school dances because you cannot tell the violence between two movies. I can claim the difference between school shootings and dances are matters of opinion because no one can tell the violence level in movies.

I don't know how many ways to explain it to you so I'm just going to conclude at this point you are irrational

ea3b6b No.5260

>>5189
This, /pol/ was always right about black people, but they were always wrong about christianity.

19ca20 No.5263

>>5258
No, the logic isn't "because the relationship X exists between the slasher film, then Y about religions must be true." It's "Demonstrate what you claim you can do with the slasher films on the slashers films, then I believe your similar claim about the religions."

You keep twisting what I've said around.

See:
>you are claiming that just because it's hard to tell for these two particular films it's hard to tell for two different religions
That's not what I'm claiming at all. That's not even close.

0cf629 No.5264

>>5263
>It's "Demonstrate what you claim you can do with the slasher films on the slashers films, then I believe your similar claim about the religions."

what about school shootings and school dances

or waterballons and nuclear weapons

do we have to fuck I'll your words because you are such a . . .

Demonstrate what you claim you can do with the slasher films on the slashers films, then I believe your similar claim about school events and projectile weapons?

19ca20 No.5266

>>5264
>what about school shootings and school dances
>or waterballons and nuclear weapons
I don't know. What about them? They have nothing to do with any of my points.

>Demonstrate what you claim you can do with the slasher films on the slashers films, then I believe your similar claim about school events and projectile weapons?

Ok, if you can demonstrate your logic pertaining to school events and projectile weapons or whatever with slasher films somehow, then that would be great.

b153af No.5267

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>>5254
>Fuck this board needs lessons in logical fallacies.
You said it, bro.

>>5253
I'm not going to bother posting at length anymore since this really cuts into my study time.

>Now, are the measures you use superior to other measures that demonstrate a different result?

So you admit we can measure violence now. Thank you for conceding.

Anyway the results differing says nothing about which was the better measure. For what this is I don't have to correlate it to anything, it's just merely counting violent incidents. It's like asking to see if adding 1 unit of distance every time you pass it to get to the city measures how much you walked. If you want to see how these metrics correlate to other things fine, but correlating the count of violent incidents of A to the number of violent incidents of A will give you r=1.

I'm literally just counting violent incidents. It's that simple. Someone who engaged in 0 violent incidents is less violent than someone who engaged in 1, but be my guest and try to prove 0>1.

If you think we need some way of assessing severity of the injury, well there are ways we can factor that in:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injury_Severity_Score
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbreviated_Injury_Scale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_Capacity_Index

Other than this adding subjectivity I have no problem with that, in fact I mentioned it earlier. But we're still counting the number of violent incidents but just evaluating the severity of injury and assigning the corresponding weighting. I'm all for this. And you would've known if you read and understood what I wrote.

>Your problem is that in your frustration you fire off in 10 directions, 9 of which are irrelevant and don't address my points or anything that I've said.

Now you know how I feel. It's amazing the mental gymnastics you're pulling.

>>5255
>How is it illogical?
Someone beat me to it when they brought up Frozen vs Friday 13th. You knew right away which was more violent. Why? Is it because the amount of scenes depicting violence far outweighed one than the other? But this was inconvenient to you because of the obvious implication, hence why you picked two movies which will probably measure more or less identically thinking that somehow disproves the measure. But them being identical or close to is expected. They're violent films, depicting violent incidents are what the films are about. Now if the measure was to show Frozen as being more violent that would show the measure is bad, be my guest though.

>>5263
>"Demonstrate what you claim you can do with the slasher films on the slashers films, then I believe your similar claim about the religions."
There are shorter way to demonstrate the same thing.

Look at these 2 gifs. In one we count 1 instance of violence according to the definition. In the other we count 0 instances of violence. 1>0 So we can concluded based on the measured evidence one depicts violence more than another. There it works.

You don't have to watch 2 whole shitty movies to get the same point across.

b153af No.5268

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Can you spot the gif with violence?

b153af No.5269

>>5267
>Now if the measure was to show Frozen as being more violent that would show the measure is bad
Or maybe it wouldn't show that it's bad but how most humans perceive violence is inaccurate.

b153af No.5271

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>>4560
>Islam's basically going through it's own dark ages.
Prove it, protip: you can't.

19ca20 No.5312

>>5267
>>5268
>Frozen vs Friday 13th
We've been through this. Saying Gandhi is less evil than Hitler, doesn't make evil objective.

>just merely counting violent incidents.

Ok, if that's the method you want to use. Are you saying Friday the 13th is more violent than A Nightmare on Elm Street? How is that objective?

b153af No.5313

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>>5312
>violence is as subjective as evil

vi·o·lence
ˈvī(ə)ləns/
noun
noun: violence

behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

e·vil
ˈēvəl/
adjective
adjective: evil

profoundly immoral and malevolent.

19ca20 No.5318

>>5313
>violence is not as subjective as other subjective things
Ok, but you still didn't answer:

>just merely counting violent incidents.

Ok, if that's the method you want to use. Are you saying Friday the 13th is more violent than A Nightmare on Elm Street? How is that objective?

b153af No.5322

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>>5318
>idk how counting the number of times the thing happens is a measure of how much it is?

19ca20 No.5324

>>5322
>All violent incidents are equal
Nope.

ea3b6b No.5326

>>5324
>Implying that under these circumstances they're not

19ca20 No.5328

>>5326
So, you're saying you saying Friday the 13th is more violent than A Nightmare on Elm Street, just because it has more violent incidents?

ea3b6b No.5329

>>5328
You just answered your own question.

19ca20 No.5331

>>5329
I think A Nightmare on Elm Street is more violent. While it has fewer violent incidents the violent incidents are more violent, making it more violent over all. But, that's just my opinion.

b153af No.5333

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>>5324
>implying violence defines anything about severity of injury inflicted and not just the act of inflicting injury

>>5331
>not understanding definitions

19ca20 No.5334

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>>5333
Well, all you're doing now is shit posting, dodging my questions, ignoring my points, and misrepresenting and exaggerating my arguments and position. Seams as though you've backed yourself into a corner, and now your just acting retarded in order to avoid admitting I was right. I looks like this conversation is over.

b153af No.5335

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