/atheism/ - Atheism

>Why should I give respect to a fairy tale with no evidence?

Why do people tell fairy tales? Why does every culture have myths that it passes from generation to generation? Why do people think they're important? What is their purpose?

>>622
Nice try to attack my post but you're posting some really dumb shit.

No, I haven't seen every single piece of evidence that exists and I don't need to. If someone tells me that his belief is true then he should be the one to show me the evidence.

I don't yell that santa is not real and this is pointless to say, what do you mean by this? That I can't reply to someone and tell them their belief is wrong because it's so obvious? Then maybe everyone should just stop arguing forever.

Atheism is not a belief, by default I am neutral to believing in the existence of any made up thing with no evidence until proven to be true, this is not a belief.

And I am only seen as a dick because people get emotional about their religion. To them it's personal, I can debate and criticize any work of fiction unless it's a religion. Because then we go to "being rude" and being offended for every single thing. Religion shouldn't be special, it's only special because people get defensive if you argue with them on religion. But again, it's as special as any other work of fiction right now.

It's true that being an atheist doesn't make me open minded, any retard can call himself an atheist and still be dumb as fuck. But I am open minded, I was religious before so my open mindedness allowed me to not be afraid of questioning my religion. If by open minded you mean accepting every single thing that's presented to you even if it doesn't make sense, then I don't see how that is being open minded.

I don't like religious people knocking on my door but I am not doing the same thing. I do not knock the door to other people houses to tell them that they are wrong. This is a silly comparison. Almost all religious people are vocal about their religion, and they talk to people about their religion, some of them happen to not believe in that religion and respond back, maybe with an opposing view. I don't see that as shoving my believs in their faces to make me feel smug. If they can talk to me about the greatness of god, I should be able to respond back. Otherwise we are back to the medieval times.

What exactly is the point of this post? If you wanna bash religion, go right ahead. No one is stopping you. You won't make many friends that way though.

>>633
What's the point of your post?

>>630
>I haven't seen every single piece of evidence that exists and I don't need to.

You do if you want to claim your position is the objective one. Otherwise your position is as much a personal opinion as that of a religious person.

>by default I am neutral to believing in the existence of…

Your 'neutral' position consists of telling people who believe that they are wrong and mocking them. eg.
>it honestly makes no sense that an adult still believes this
>tell them their belief is wrong because it's so obvious

If someone believes something that means a lot to them and brings them great comfort or solace, they are obviously going to be upset if you criticize or mock them for that. There are ways to have these discussions without upsetting people. You can be an atheist without being an asshole.

>Almost all religious people are vocal about their religion

You are suffering from observational bias.

>>643
I'm not going to bother explaining myself again, and here's the reason.

You are telling me that the only way to not believe in god is to read every religious book, or else I'm ignorant about religion. You are saying that I'm not open minded even though I doubt dubious evidence and extraordinary claims with little or no evidence, accepting everything is not open minded. And you are pulling out the card that I'm edgy because I debate religion and don't agree or respect silly beliefs. It's only edgy because people are emotionally attached to religion, I mean of course they are, they base their life on religion.

And in general it's just not worth arguing to people thinking that I've already lost the debate because to them I appear edgy and intellectually superior. There are a lot of smart religious people out there, and there are a lot of stupid atheists out there. But religion and the stories that most of the people believe blindly do not deserve respect or special treatment.

Richard Dawkins is indeed openly going to debate religious people, and that's also his job because of how much he did it. While I don't agree at all that every atheist must do the same, I do think that if religious people can go on television, write books, open debates about religion and in general talk about religion then I think that there should also be a right for the smug Dawkins to debate too.

I wanted to post my opinion on here, and I did, I will no longer reply to you. Fiction that people get attached emotionally too and think it deserves special treatment is not worthy of automatic respect. There is no way to argue as an atheist with the majority of religious people because you are seen as someone who brags about his intelligence and tries to make people feel bad instead of someone who just questions believing in such silly old fairy tales.

>>645
>silly beliefs
>do not deserve respect
>Fiction that people get attached emotionally to
>not worthy
>silly old fairy tales

The reason you appear edgy and intellectually superior is because your language is peppered with phrases that betray your contempt for the person you're speaking to. The subtext is you telling the other person that you think they're stupid and then being suprised when they become defensive. But hey, they've just been reading too many silly old fairy tales, am I right?

>>646
>is a religious person who doesn't forget to include fedoras in his post
>tries to make me look like a retard by saying " you're the kind of person that yells "Santa's not real" to children on christmas"
>calls me a dick because I don't respect ridiculous claims with little or no evidence
>says that I'm on a moral high ground and think too highly of myself

>expects that other people will downplay their phrases to be as respectful as possible

Look at yourself first if you really want to make me look like the bad guy, my first post attacked beliefs only. Not people.

This is really the last post you milked out of me, you also believe that you are such a nice and objective person, but look at your posts.

>>621
Im the same way mate. The new argument religiousfags are pushing is that "atheism is not real"

>>661
Their ignorance to believe in something that is false makes me upset because as a factual human being I need facts and religion barely has any of that.

Religion is indeed harmful especially to critical thinkers. It ruins both critical thinking and just all over all intelligent. Not to mention religion is made by jews.

>>665
It is though most normalfag/christfag can't argue without insulting.

>>666
I think you have it backwards. In my opinion it's far more likely that uncritical or naïve people will be likely to join a religion, as opposed to what you are suggesting which is that religion beats out of us the ability to think critically.

>>671
religion is incorrect not only in it way of thinking but how it takes pray on wishful thinking. example atheist is only wrong on 1% therfor religion must be correct. Which make me think religion is incorrect. plus it childish arguments a majority of the time.

>>666
Like a good percent of atheists don't do the exact same thing, or not argue without coming off as a condescending asshole?

I try not to be a dick when arguing about religion. I realize it can be hard when people try to throw counterarguments that are silly and don't make sense, but you have to realize that these people have had these contradicting beliefs hammered into their brains since they were a little child, and they were programmed not to question things. When they are put into question, their brains will act differently depending on the person. Some panic, some block it out, some block it out by going on the offensive to reaffirm their beleifs. Many different ways.

>>671
while that is true to an extent, like I said above, religion teaches one not to question things, so it indeed is an road block on that sort of thing.

>>673
I try not to be a dick when I argue about religion but most of the time they are being willingly idiotic and insulting me when i argue with them so I resort to that too just so they know it doesn't affect me.

>>674
What do you mean by "willingly idiotic"? Like what people are when they shitpost sometimes?

>>675
yeah basically.

>>677
Thing is, that's what many of them were expecting to get out of you. Maybe I'm seeing this wrong, but the moment you go to insults, to them, is the moment they've won, thus reaffirming their belief that all atheists are edgy easily offended fedoralords and they are somehow completely in the clear.

>>679
And then I argue calmly afterwards even after all the bullshit they spew and insult at me, so it doesn't really affect me.

Anybody who demands respect hasn't done what it takes to earn it and ought to be ridiculed.

>>622
I've never seen a worse bait.

>>621
>>621
Fuck religion, OP.