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2e5ab4 No.659

As the push for finding extra terrestrial life marches on, many people of faith are trying to find ways to make the possibility fit within their already held worldview.

So what if alien life were discovered? Be it single celled organisms on Mars or complex societies form outside the solar system. Do you think this would have a major impact on religion and theology? What arguments would they use to justify it?

aeee10 No.662

>aliens are discovered
>"B-BUT GOD CREATED US IN HIS IMAGE"
>new party emerges and takes over our entire race
>Imperium of Man becomes real
>we start crusades and massacre xeno scum

That's how I see it happening. I welcome it.

8200c9 No.668

>>659
>extra terrestrial life
>additional earthen life

I think I heard it from a priest: The official possiton of the catholic church is that if there are aliens out there, they have to come to earth and find out about JHC if they want to go to heaven. The idea is that earth is sort of the most important place in the universe maybe because this is where the chosen nation lived.

c7f750 No.670

>>662
Nah, people are getting too liberal for that shit. Not that that's a bad thing in this instance.

By the time aliens hit earth, the Christians left at that point won't be religious enough at that point to give a shit, and the ones that do will be drowned out either by people not caring about that or the rise of extreme political correctness, depending on how fucked up our future will be.

Honestly, though it's most likely that alien life hasn't found our planet, the aliens who might have found us saw how we behave as a whole and don't want to touch that shit, so really this may be something that will never happen until we find away to plunge ourselves deep into space.

9c279a No.676

someone would claim it was already written in quran ( i am from turkey )
and whenever there is something new there is always someone who claims it was already there

eaa966 No.678

christians would somehow make up shit that it was predicted before and aliens are some sort of either angels from god or demons from hell and they would claim it's all related to the rapture

c7f750 No.681

>>678
Or they could just go back on their beliefs.

Remember, the bible is only followed when it truly appeals to what people want. People will make up shit all the fucking time to get around it's teachings if they aren't convenient to the person. Like the people who are now saying "I think Jesus is fine with gay people" when the bible clearly is against homosexuality.

5e9ada No.698


65d93c No.699

>>659
Probably not. Religion has survived much worse than finding aliens. It'll just morph and march on like out always has.

ab3dbb No.861

>>699
This.

In Religulous Bill Maher talked to a Bishop who was into astronomy and cosmology who said that they accept science because they don't want to be behind the curve on converting the aliens.

ac11ea No.1617

>>659

Most Religions would just wedge it into their reality,, maybe find some odd verse in the Bible somewhere and say they knew all along.

(Some muslims have done this with the current idea of an expanding universes)

Or maybe the would just deny their existence like some groups insist that evolution is wrong and the grand canyon is proof of noah's flood.

Or maybe the religious would go full jihad on the aliens.(if they came to earth) and insist they are really demons.

03b821 No.1978

>>659
I feel like the discover of aliens civilizations 'should' have at least some bearing on solving religious debates. Like if the aliens have god(s) with a similar name and nature as some Earth religion, that would be a strong point in that religion's favor, but if their religions are unlike anything we have it would be a sign that maybe it is all made up (after all, why would God only tell one planet about his existence?). But who am I kidding? That basically already happened with the discovery of the Americas and it didn't change a damn thing.

ab3dbb No.1979

>>1978
> if the aliens have god(s) with a similar name and nature as some Earth religion, that would be a strong point in that religion's favor
This is as unlikely as finding aliens who natively speak English. It wouldn't be so much a proof of religion as an Earth-shattering proof that something is deeply flawed in our understanding of the universe.

cab8d3 No.9900

>>659

Aliens have the potential be very dangerous. Apart from bacteria, viruses and cross-contamination from visiting or returning spacecraft, they could follow different philosophies and be hopelessly warlike. If they had a religion and didn't develop anthropology, they would be likely to classify our beliefs as demons, in the way Jesuits and Japanese classified one anothers' gods as demonic/less than human, fostering willingness to erradicate them.

I think its possible Aliens or a probe visited Earth thousands of years ago, looked at the human race and said "Blood-thirsty savages! We will write them off, hide from them, and have nothing to do with them!"


2a38be No.9915

>>9900

>Viruses

I don't think alien viruses can harm us. Bacteria can maybe be dangerous.

Alien can be dangerous for our faith. If they are have an advanced technology they probably have no religion. Yes it sounds "euphoric" but made up stories turn out to be proven wrong at some point. Or they KNOW the real god and can prove it.


fff753 No.9918

>>659

they just use the ambiguity of their respective creation stories to say that it was written there all along…


2d43e2 No.9922

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>>659

>Do you think this would have a major impact on religion and theology? What arguments would they use to justify it?

No impact. The idea of aliens has already been worked out theologically and it never was a big problem to anybody. Not sure why it should be.

Also, Brookings Report.


2d43e2 No.9924

>>9915

>Alien can be dangerous for our faith. If they are have an advanced technology they probably have no religion.

Brave bet, but if technology was the death of religion, there'd be no religion by now.


2d43e2 No.9925

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That said, gents, for what it's worth, one alien civilisation which contacted us has described their religion to us.

They were astounded to realise that there are similarities between our two main religions. They too have been visited by a being they define as "God man", who also sacrificed Himself for them and spoke words very similar to our Christ.

If any of this is true (and there's evidence that it's at the very least possible) then there's a chance that God died on every planet where there is life.

Imagine that.


cab8d3 No.9927

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>>9925

But God sent his only son to Earth. If he had other sons on other planets in the 100 billion galaxies, he would have told us "sons" in the plural form. Pic related of the new Earth-like planet Nasa found.


bc2e20 No.9928

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>>9925

Go on then, what supposed group of aliens made contact this time?


2d43e2 No.9929

>>9927

>But God sent his only son to Earth.

And? I don't see how this is exclusive in any way.

>If he had other sons on other planets in the 100 billion galaxies,

Why would He? The Son is God too, They are one. He can be sent to 100 billion galaxies and die on every living planet too.

>he would have told us "sons" in the plural form.

No, if it's the same Son being incarnated on each planet, you retain the singular. A plurality of worlds doesn't suddenly multiply God for no reason.


2d43e2 No.9930

>>9928

The Ummites from Ummo, as I think they're called in English. It's not recent news. The bulk of it is about scientists and specific people receiving letters from "aliens", being told that if they make the letters public, the correspondence would cease.

People suspect it of being a hoax, but it's a very complicated case. It includes scientific knowledge that we confirmed decades later (the idea that plate tectonics was fairly rare in the universe, for instance; back then everyone assumed it was normal, but we now know it's rare, earth is special in that sense, and the Ummites said as much in their letters).

They are here only as scientists, they observe and don't interact. They look like us enough to blend in, as tall Norwegians.

If you have any questions, I'll respond from memory. Very cool topic.


cab8d3 No.9931

>>9929

Because it makes no sense for God's only son to go to hell on every single planet and be resurrected, to save every single race from original sin. And Earth is the first planet to be created, because of Genesis, and will be the last planet because the Apocalypse will happen on Earth, (the disasters sound Earthly, and a third of the stars will fall from the sky, although I don't know see how its possible for stars to fall.)


2d43e2 No.9933

>>9931

>Because it makes no sense for God's only son to go to hell on every single planet and be resurrected, to save every single race from original sin.

How does it make less sense than there being no other life in the universe? I don't see the inner logic in saying that because the Son went to Hell to save humans, He can't have done the same for other worlds.

>And Earth is the first planet to be created, because of Genesis

Genesis doesn't say that, if you want to be specific, but I certainly we both know better than to read Genesis as though it were an astrophysics' textbook.

>and will be the last planet because the Apocalypse will happen on Earth

I respect your high esteem of Revelation but even so, the book doesn't mention anything about other planets or even the universe: it tells the fate of us here (if it does that all, that is).

>(the disasters sound Earthly, and a third of the stars will fall from the sky, although I don't know see how its possible for stars to fall.)

If something sounds like an image, it just might be. This could mean the skies get darkened, or the angels rebel again (since that's probably what the numbers refer to: a third of the angels "fell" from Heaven originally). A second war in Heaven, who knows.

Your point of view is an odd mix of absolute literalism used with common sense, which is funny.

>functional common sense

>reads Genesis/Apocalypse literally

top kuk


cab8d3 No.9936

>>9933

>Genesis doesn't say that, if you want to be specific, but I certainly we both know better than to read Genesis as though it were an astrophysics' textbook.

He created Earth on the second day.

On the first day God created light, to separate day and night.

On the second day God separated the waters from the dry land which was called Earth. Waters includes separating the heavens from Earth.

On the third day God created seeds and plants even though they had no apparent light source.

On the 4th day God created stars, the sun, the moon, and the entire rest of the universe.

5th day was animals.

6th day was man.

>I don't see the inner logic in saying that because the Son went to Hell to save humans, He can't have done the same for other worlds.

Because 1) then the Jews wouldn't be God's chosen people anymore, and or necessarily be the chosen life-form.

2) Also because its unlikely every race in the galaxy would be provided a Garden of Eden and then when given the choice, they would all eat of the tree of knowledge and follow the same exact path, and require the same savior for redemption, and interpret his teachings the same way.

3) And Jesus's going to hell and defeating evil once should be powerful enough to remove sin for every species. (Except its unlikely that Jesus would only choose to appear only on our planet out of an estimated 500 billion habitable Earthlike planets.) Unless there are multiple hells on different worlds, with multiple Satans, which need to be reprimanded.


2d43e2 No.9940

>>9936

>He created Earth on the second day.

Yeah, I've read Genesis too, but that doesn't answer my point.

>Because 1) then the Jews wouldn't be God's chosen people anymore, and or necessarily be the chosen life-form.

They are the chosen ones on this planet, not exclusive with other planets.

> 2) Also because its unlikely every race in the galaxy would be provided a Garden of Eden and then when given the choice, they would all eat of the tree of knowledge and follow the same exact path, and require the same savior for redemption, and interpret his teachings the same way.

They can easily have another creation myth and another version for "sin" which boils down to the same: imperfection in the face of God.

>

3) And Jesus's going to hell and defeating evil once should be powerful enough to remove sin for every species. (Except its unlikely that Jesus would only choose to appear only on our planet out of an estimated 500 billion habitable Earthlike planets.) Unless there are multiple hells on different worlds, with multiple Satans, which need to be reprimanded.

The idea behind the Incarnation is that God saves us, somehow, by becoming us, which also divinises us.

Given this, it wouldn't be a surprise if this same process was required of any species.


cab8d3 No.9954

>>9940

>The idea behind the Incarnation is that God saves us, somehow, by becoming us, which also divinises us.

Sounds like a very ad hoc explanation for why the resurrection had to happen, after Christian canon decided Jesus was definitely resurrected. The resurrection actually accomplishes nothing, other than torturing the son for a while. If we were to be forgiven there are better ways. And its not even a real sacrifice because there is no finality, andJesus is resurrected.

Pantheism from creation makes more sense, since all building blocks (particles) come from the same source. We could have been divine from the moment God blew his breath into us in the Garden of Eden. In fact, the whole Earth is as likely to be full of spirits/the spirit of God in every rock and tree.


bc2e20 No.9961

>>9930

Lmao the fucking nordic aliens? Looks like you've got plenty of faith friendo.


394923 No.9965

We'd go extinct before finding alien life. The nearest planet that could possibly have life is millions of light-years away.


cab8d3 No.9966

>>9965

It'd be a kicker if we managed to contact only one alien race by radio waves before we went extinct. And we'd never met them in person. It'd be the ultimate pen pal experience.


804422 No.9970

>>9918

underrated post


cab8d3 No.10003

>>9918

I wonder how many Japanese still find a way to justify believing a god stuck his spear in the water to make the main Islands of Japan, and later cast a net over some other islands and pulled them together to make some of the islands bigger. It's all symbolism right?


2d43e2 No.10005

>>9961

>Lmao the fucking nordic aliens? Looks like you've got plenty of faith friendo.

I'm stating what you'd find if you researched it. That doesn't mean any of it is true. I barely touched that in my own posts. Faith has nothing to do with this.

>>9965

>We'd go extinct before finding alien life. The nearest planet that could possibly have life is millions of light-years away.

Assumption. We don't know what technology might be able to do within a few centuries.

>>10003

>It's all symbolism right?

It is and probably always was. It's a very modern thing to read ancient texts and myths with a modern approach like literalism and the unwarranted assumption that the text intends to be scientific. It's sheer autism on the face of it.


394923 No.10009

>>10005

>Assumption. We don't know what technology might be able to do within a few centuries.

Assuming we won't be extinct by then.


2d43e2 No.10041

>>10009

>Assuming we won't be extinct by then.

Assuming we will be is also an assumption.


cab8d3 No.13282

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Darkmatter2525 made a related video. >>659

I know there is a name for the argument that God wouldn't only appear before people in a small part of the universe, does anyone here remember it?


4bec06 No.13283

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>>9966

The ultimate pen pan experience is receiving a message that was not meant for you, cannot be translated, and was written by someone who is long dead?

Oh and if you send out a response it will take a thousand years or so for it reach it's destination.

The discovery of alien signals would be the most anti-climatic event in human history.


51990a No.13308

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>>9929

>God has a Son

>and a Holy Ghost

>actually the Son is billions and billions of Sons

>but this is definitely monotheism, you guys


2ad42f No.13327

>>13308

Their reasoning would be all of those sons are the exact same guy even though every way people address them is as different entities. They want their cake and to eat it too.


560808 No.13340

>>13308

The trinity is already thinly veiled polytheism. You can't just say these things are the same even though they are different, how? Its beyond human comprehension.

Try that with anything else and see what a reaction you'll get. Its bullshit.


aa2f85 No.13392

>>659

Religion is rediculously flexible due to people's freedom to interpret it. I highly doubt ETs will affect the end game.

>>670

>Aliens don't want to meet us

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of whatever intelligent life out there has evolved has developed to act very similarly to us. It's not that unusual to have competition between individuals.

>>676

Sounds just like the Christians here in America. That's the problem with translated text: so much can be left up to interpretation.




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