Are Atheists or Christians Better Equipped to Repel Islam?

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Are Atheists or Christians Better Equipped to Repel Islam? Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 23:11:07 c0153a No.6691

Question: as the west secularizes, how can a predominately Atheist country have the tools to defend against Islam?

We look at the Coran and quickly say it's full of shit, but because we are not enslaved to our own holy scriptures, we have a harder time getting the acceptance Christians have when they try to debate Muslims. After all, Jews and Christians are people of the book according to the Coran, while we Apostates are seen as the corruptible pawns of Satan.

I think we lack the religious fervor to study their sacred writings to better refute them. Simply because most of us don't try to aggressively push our beliefs down others' throats, contrary to what Christians do and like to project upon us as doing. We don't go on "missions" to other countries to convert people to Atheism.

The Christian doctrine might be the lesser evil, and perhaps we should encourage Christians to do conversions from Islam. The Christian message of eternal love is much more rewarding to dumb and simple people than our own of making the best of your own short life from chaotic nhilism. Once the immigrants are Christian it will be easier to deconvert them without the fear of Shariah law and violence.

Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 23:49:22 1c1b66 No.6696

The West has two options.

1) Grow some fucking testicles and tell Muslims to civilize themselves or be unwelcome in a society that's only as good as it is because of the benefits of secularism and the enlightenment.

2) Be overrun by Islam.

It's a core part of Islam that it tries to conquer other cultures and convert them. It's one thing I'm glad America has - all that religiously supported bigotry. I know it's callous as fuck, but it keeps the batshit people in check here. America is very religious for some reason, but it might end up paradoxically being the safeguard of secularism because Christian Americans will lose their fucking shit if any other religion (or non-religion) tries to get its values involved in the government. Eventually the wide availability of information via the internet will probably bring the masses over to atheism, and in the meantime hopefully people will realize that it's not racist to have a problem with Islam (although the two aren't mutually exclusive either).

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 00:02:21 af786c No.6701

I'm not sure what you're post is trying to suggest. If you're saying we should support Christians when they call out Islam on its bullshit, then I agree, provided they use coherent and logical arguments and not just "it's wrong because muh bible". But if you're saying we should support Christianity because Christians will be more effective than ourselves at deconverting Muslims, then I'd have to disagree. Christianity may be the lesser of two evils, but that doesn't mean we should cut them any slack. I also think that atheists are better equipped to resist Muslim influence because facts and reason make for a better defense against bullshit than just more bullshit. As more Muslims immigrate, Christians might start to realize that the Muslims' bullshit is no more bullshit than their bullshit and they might as well switch, whereas atheists can call all the bullshit for what it is because we're not committed to any form of supernaturalism.

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 00:19:24 40f9ef No.6702

>>6691
>I think we lack the religious fervor to study their sacred writings to better refute them.
Not true at all. Atheists tend to be the most knowledgeable about religion.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/americans-quizzed-religion-atheists-knew/story?id=11748799

>Simply because most of us don't try to aggressively push our beliefs down others' throats
Because we don't have religious beliefs. We just want people think critically, to be more scientific minded, more skeptical, more open minded and less gullible.

>The Christian doctrine might be the lesser evil, and perhaps we should encourage Christians to do conversions from Islam.
No, it might be a lesser evil, but it's an evil nonetheless. There's no need to lower the bar, atheism is growing rapidly in the west.

>The Christian message of eternal love is much more rewarding to dumb and simple people than our own of making the best of your own short life from chaotic nhilism.
Maybe, but I think would be better to educate people, so less people are simple and dumb enough to fall for religion.

>Once the immigrants are Christian it will be easier to deconvert them without the fear of Shariah law and violence.
True, Christians aren't as violent towards apostates.

>Are Atheists or Christians Better Equipped to Repel Islam?
Atheists. Because Christians can only fight fire with fire.

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 00:55:08 210960 No.6703

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Those who raise non-religious children we need to inoculate them from becoming Muslims. Atheist children can be especially vulnerable since they lack the knowledge or experience with the evils of religion that their parents possess. Too often parents don't take the time to pass on their most hard-learned lessons. This problem doesn't apply only to Islam, but to any of the new cults that will continue to crop up.

I used the word inoculate, because if they're not exposed to a weakened form of the virus of Fundamentalist religion early on, their immune system won't be ready to defend against the real threat later. Church-going Christians spend at least an hour every week brainwashing themselves, which gives themselves some protection from Islamic radicalism.

In my opinion if we have children, we need to match the time Christians spend. It's important to educate our kids on how Muhammad was full of shit, and Islamic values aren't worth fighting for, so they never send themselves to Syria. We need to enroll them in the clubs, or community functions too, so they have a sense of belonging and don't need to seek acceptance from radical Jihadists on the internet.

The tricky part is making sure our kids know it's in their best interests not to rebel on this. It's the same problem as when kids disobey their parents, and try narcotics for peer acceptance, or to be different.

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 01:11:06 21879e No.6704

The only problem with opposition to Islam at the moment seems to be the PC/SJW crowd, whatever you prefer to call them who insist that any criticism of Islam is Islamophobia. As an American Islamic immigrants who refuse any amount of assimilation isn't the biggest issue yet. Christian resistance to Islam here more has to do with fears of terrorism than a cultural war like you see going on in France.

But I think most rational thinkers have the right of it. If Islam wants to be accepted in the west they either need to modify it or stay home. Ideally they wouldn't have to treat eachother with such inhumanity either but that's a realization they'll have to come to on their own.

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 01:14:12 21879e No.6706

>>6704
I'll add that I don't think there's a massive risk of displacement of western culture. Rather the bigger risk is just letting this childish, toxic minority limit our own ideals of free speech and liberty. In that sense there shouldn't be any rush to form a pact with Christians against Islam or anything since the problem is the effect of their culture, not that they actually believe.

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 01:24:21 210960 No.6707

>>6706
Yes, but once they come in significant numbers to Europe their beliefs are so strong they could dilute the culture. Even in Malaysia we were stunned a few years ago when a Muslim country we thought was a secular exception decided to cane a woman for adultery. It was the first time time they had done so under Islamic law. See below.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2010/02/201021844619366612.html

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 01:41:09 21879e No.6708

>>6707
Oh dear, that is frightening.

Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 22:08:17 a505b5 No.6776

>>6707
They don't dilute the culture. They are the culture. Muslims are only nice people when the prevailing attitude towards Muslims are negative. When people see Muslims as good people, then the Sharia starts.
You can see this with Christians in America.

Anonymous 04/21/15 (Tue) 05:01:11 c0153a No.7055

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam Be glad you're not Muslim. Male or Female it makes little difference, you lose your property and your life. A woman may be beat every 3 days until she repents and returns to Islam.

Anonymous 04/21/15 (Tue) 09:50:59 4722f4 No.7056

>>7055

>this pic

ayyyyyyyy

Also, I love how converting other people is apostasy.

Oh, and evangelist aren't afraid to go in the Arab world and convert people.

http://www.awm-pioneers.org/new/start-here/

Anonymous 05/27/15 (Wed) 09:37:02 6a7a79 No.8130

We atheists ought to nut up and boot out the Muslims like Charles Martel. If they can't assimilate into Western civilization, there's no way we can live together tolerably

Anonymous 05/27/15 (Wed) 11:33:47 17c049 No.8137

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>>8130

That would require you atheists to not be whiny little shits that get triggered over bikini ads and people saying MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Anonymous 05/27/15 (Wed) 14:30:09 b14d79 No.8139

>>8137

Oh look, it's atheism=SJWism-fag again

Are you finally going to listen to people who disagree with you or are you just going to endlessly spout debunked memes again?

Anonymous 05/27/15 (Wed) 20:18:45 a505b5 No.8143

>>8137

The guy in the pic has a point though. Even though we're right, we come off as assholes because everyone else is wrong.

Anonymous 05/27/15 (Wed) 22:54:14 9b92bb No.8154

>>8137

Are you the same faggot spamming SJW shit on /leftypol/?

Anonymous 05/27/15 (Wed) 23:06:21 17c049 No.8155

>>8139

I thought I was statuefag.

By the way who is this statuefag you SJWs speak of and why do you keep calling me that?

>>8154

No, but thanks for the idea.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 11:04:01 488cc7 No.8167

>>8155

I'm kind of amused to see that name has taken hold. I think I was the one that originally used it. Statuefag is/was an Indian Catholic that came here and insisted because a statue was claimed to be bleeding, that was proof of his god. He would ignore all the "miracles" in other religions and all the other secular mysteries because the Mary statue that bled was too much of a coincidence for him so that just had to make his god be true.

Looking back, it was rather amusing but I admire his tenacity yet I think he's full of more yearning to believe than yearning to accept objective outlook in how other people see gods and mysteries.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 11:14:51 17c049 No.8168

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>>8167

Oh ok.

And I assume he kept calling you people out for being SJWs or something?

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 19:27:28 a505b5 No.8175

>>8168

Not in that thread, but he uses the same logic in the Miracle thread and in the Atheists Defend Muslims thread.

Step1: Claim that something is so with an unrelated photo.

Step2: People show evidence that this is not so.

Step3: Ignore them until someone agrees with you then proceed to frame their "evidence" as the majority.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 19:42:21 b14d79 No.8176

>>8168

No, he kept repeating the same shit over and over about a statue without responding to criticism, until everyone grew sick of him and slowly ignored him

Like you, except that you replace the word 'statue' for 'SJW'

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 20:15:47 c0153a No.8177

>>8168

We should be skeptics and hold the possibility that anyone who acts like statuefag while saying otherwise, might actually be the statuefag in denial.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:58:10 2123e9 No.8185

>>8168

I'm not sure what you get by trying to prove theists donate more. It doesn't make their gods any more true. Donating can be both good and bad. Sometimes what people need is less handouts and more hard work. If anything, you're proving theists are the bleeding heart SJWs and considering this anti-SJW rampage some of you have, it doesn't make you look like good people if you're trying to prove religion makes you a better person. It just makes you look more spiteful, not understanding of others.