/atheism/ - Atheism

That didn't seem too bad to me, what is the obvious flaw in the reasoning this guy put forward in your opinion?

My thought is that he arbitrarily defines the necessary/first cause as being god, demonstrating a certain degree of confirmation bias. But what makes you so dismissive of the argument, it wasn't too bad apart from that aspect?

>>6778
It's a stupid argument because god as a concept IS the beginning. Alpha and Omega. Although as an atheist, I don't see why a personified god with his own self-contradicting religion should exist if not just the universe itself being the alpha and omega.

>>6782
Many things but especially heinous is his statement that the universe had a beginning.

>>6790
w - w - what? I thought it was generally accepted that the universe had a beginning because of the big bang theory

>>6796

The Big Bang describes the evolution of the universe a few nano seconds from the singularity up until now, not the beginning itself. That is still largely a mystery

>>6783
>>Everything that begins has a cause
>I don't see how they can prove that. Not only do we have no proof of the Universe itself having a cause (or a lack of one), we see small particles pop in and out of existence all the time. You can certainly influence their probability of appearing, but we see no cause.
Yeah, actual physics kind of flies in the face of this and many other intuitive ideas we have about the universe.

>>6796
Just like the person in the video, you don't understand what the big bang is. It wasn't a literal explosion, it was the quick expansion of our universal singularity.

>>6790
I mean, it's a gross oversimplification of a VERY complicated idea at worst.

>>6778
I think he just pulled shit out of context. I don't think the quotees that someone has to have created god without context, but it's a counterargument to the argument that everything has to have a beginning so god must exist.

Otherwise I guess he would be right except for the part where he says that universe can't be necessary because lol big bang. It was a big change of the universe but does that imply that it was the beginning? (maybe physicist would have a good answer to this but) Even if there was a necessary factor that caused the big bang why does it have to be a god of any particular relligion? Unless there's no more to that guys theism than a simple statement that whatever is the necessary force that caused the universe I shall refer to as "god". I could say that the universe itself Is what I will call "god". Theists are capable of showing that believing in an absurdly generalized, simplified, featureless god - which many atheists including myself accept as possible - can be reasonable, but they have yet to show that it's reasonable to believe in a god of any religion of humans.

>>6829
..I don't think the quotees 'have said that..

>>6782
God IS the Universe (by definition, he is everything, everywhere and does everything, it's pretty much the definition of the Universe), so someone who said that God hasn't been created but that the Universe has, is a lunatic.

>>6841

So, wait a minute, he created the universe, and at the same time is the universe. You don't see how this could be a problem?

>>6846
No, the Universe is causeless. It exists by necessity. It may have come into existence (see Big Bang Theory) by itself.

>>6845
>a fundamental contempt for human life is an acceptable opinion
I thought atheists were supposed to be capable of morality without God.

>>6851

So you're now the ultimate arbiter of acceptable opinions? Because if you're a catholic, you have a lot of explaining to do

>>6851
If God exists, then why can I shitpost?
Checkmate!

>>6851
All opinions are acceptable. Why should we censor someone's opinions even if they are antagonistic or reprehensible?