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bd54d8 No.6924

As I thumbed my way through the pages of “The God Delusion”, a question dropped into my head. Does Richard Dawkins really exist?

Being a scientific and rational person, I decided that I wasn’t going to just accept any old theory on this question. If Richard Dawkins exists, then I would need to be shown the proper evidence for it. Others can have their own superstitious beliefs, based on who-knows-what, but I would only be convinced by empirical science. If there is a Dawkins, why hasn’t he shown himself to me?

bd54d8 No.6925

>>6924
As I pondered this, a man wearing a pointy hat wandered into the room. He erected a little box a few feet off the ground, climbed on to it, and began speaking to me.

As he talked he began, rather dogmatically, to insist on a number of things. Apparently, it was clear and obvious that Richard Dawkins existed. Did I not have his own book in my hands? Did it not have Dawkins’ name on the front, and the imprints of his thoughts on every page? If I wanted to see evidence for Dawkins, was it not to be found throughout this little tome? Dawkins, he said, had shown himself to me everywhere. What could be a sufficient cause for such a book, if not a Dawkins? The alternatives were incredible. They required far more faith than simply to accept that the pages were the work of the said Richard.

bd54d8 No.6926

>>6925
As I pondered this idea, a man with a white coat suddenly appeared. He smiled warmly, showed me a piece of paper with a huge number of letters on it, and began to address me. As he did so, he drew my attention to a number of undeniable facts. The book that I was holding, you see, was made up of pages. And each of those pages could be shown to be composed from a certain type of paper, made from wood pulp. Upon the paper, were a number of very tiny dots, arranged in a kind of code. Everything about the book could be explained, and he had explained it.

I was impressed by the man in the white coat, because he did not point to uncertain theories, or dubious inferences. What he was talking about was plainly fact. I could see with my own eyes just what he meant! The book had an obvious explanation, and needed no magical theories of Dawkins to be invoked on its behalf. Furthermore, theories of Dawkins’ existence had been responsible for a terrible amount of wrong-doing. All over the Internet there were to be found gaping non-sequitors, caricatures, allegations of child abuse and all kinds of evils – all being promoted in the name of said Dawkins! If Dawkins did exist, I reasoned, he’s got a lot to answer for.

To this, the pointy-hatted man took exception. I was, he said, denying the obvious. If there was no Dawkins, then there would never have been a book. The book was his handiwork, and had all the hall-marks of Dawkins’ character, dispositions and ideas displayed on every page. If I wanted to see the evidence for Dawkins, it was staring me plain in the face.

bd54d8 No.6927

>>6926
But by now I knew that old funny-hat was just talking pure superstition. I could see that the book was a simple re-arrangement of only 26 letters. To be sure, I didn’t understand the picture on the cover too well, but this doesn’t mean we should invoke any kind of Dawkins. To do so would just be a “Dawkins-of-the-gaps” – a Dawkins who would vanish once science had made further progress.

Looking over to my shelf, and perusing the Internet, I was able to find that the book contained ideas and arguments that were hardly special or unique – they were but re-hashings of things said a thousand times in the past. As such, it was clear that the book had developed by a purely natural and unintelligent process. A little moving around of the a’s, e’s, i’s, o’s and u’s, – shift this paragraph and shift that paragraph. Replace this argument with that one, and you can get from the most primitive forms of argument up to any book with no problems, just given enough time. No, hat-man was clearly some kind of fundamentalist, irrationally wedded to the idea that there was a Dawkins. If people like him are allowed to have their arguments heard, then sound logic proves we will all be killed by bearded mad-men, and reason insists that the world will be turned into a Dawkins-ocracy. I began to wonder if the whole Dawkins idea wasn’t rather dangerous.

bd54d8 No.6928

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>>6927
At this juncture, another man suddenly arrived in the room – I do not know where from. He was wearing glasses, and frankly looked a bit of a nerd. And it was to the a’s, e’s, i’s, o’s and u’s that he drew my attention. He would prove, he said, that they were not the product of a random accident, for they were arranged in patterns. The little letters, taken together, spelt out complex codes, which were drawn together into sophisticated arguments. This, he said, was the clear mark of intelligence. It had not developed from a previous volume, for modifying letters from their inter-related arrangement turns a book into useless gibberish. Deliberate design was evident in the book, and simple science and reason proved it. What is more, some arguments which I had thought were quite redundant and evidence of missing intelligence, could be shown to have a real purpose.

As the nerdy man was saying this, I could see that the man in the white coat was turning into some kind of shade of beetroot. The nerd, he said, was a man he had seen outside the room, wearing a pointy hat. As such, he had nothing more to say than the other fellow, and should simply be ignored. His white coat was obviously bogus, for nobody had ever been seen wearing both a white coat and a pointy hat. What was more, were I to ask him whose was the intelligence behind the code, I would most likely find that it was none other than the discredited Dawkins.

bd54d8 No.6929

>>6928
As I looked hard at the third man’s glasses, they did start to look a bit odd to me. And there was a clear cogency in white-coat’s argument. This talk of intelligence was obviously but a poor disguise of the “dawkinsdidit” thesis. If a Dawkins designed the book, then who designed the Dawkins? This only moves – not solves – the problem; it is no answer at all. For it was clear that nobody would be able to explain just who was responsible for the Dawkins.

The nerd protested that he was merely using science to identify intelligence. His science, he said, was valid whether or not the author was Dawkins, and could not be denied using philosophy and sophistry. But such protests were an obvious violation of my own constitution, which clearly separates faith from reason. Moreover, as I pondered the book, I could see numerous violations of logic, arguments by mere assertion, and the like. If there was some kind of intelligence behind this book, then it was obviously a pretty poor one! And so, using my great powers of rational thinking, I concluded that there was no evidence of intelligence in it at all.

bd54d8 No.6930

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>>6929
No, Richard Dawkins does not exist. I have never seen him. Science has given a full and satisfying explanation of the book alleged to be his handiwork. It is but a collection of fortuitously ordered a’s, b’s and c’s, recombined from previous patterns. There is the alphabet, there is a book of nursery rhymes and there is “The God Delusion” – and one developed from the other, though some of the details of which is the most primitive remain to be sorted out. The links between them may still be missing, but Science will have that worked out at any moment. Anyone who doubts this fact is either lying, mad or stupid (or wicked, but I’d rather not think about that possibility).

Having settled the case, I congratulated myself on my acute use of logic and reason. After lunch, I have another pressing question to tackle.

Do I exist?

e68349 No.6932

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5/5 bretty gud

374cdc No.6933

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>OP is the stereotypical christposter
>he probably thinks this thread makes him sound really smart
>he actually believes that this instance of intellectual masturbation has stumped all those foolish non-believers
>mfw

a617f7 No.6935

>>6933
OP jsut doesn't have valid arguments (being a christian), that's all.

008706 No.6936

I've actually met him at a convention.

bd2138 No.6943

>>6924
sage

Is it just me or has /christian/ been raiding us over the last month?

(or is it just SA goons fucking around?)

f17a80 No.6949

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>>6936
I saw him and Craig Venter speak at Arizona State University twice. Was pretty badass.

Anyways, OP sucks dicks and all that.

3a2397 No.6952

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do dubs exist?

b77d76 No.6975


008706 No.6977

>>6952

Christfags aren't allowed to have them.


b77d76 No.6978

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>>6977

Holy dubs.


b77d76 No.6991

The first “problem of evil,” as far as atheist/theist debates are concerned is the fact that atheists define “evil” based on rationality. This means that they cannot logically formulate an argument for the problem of evil without first providing an acceptable definition of evil. Some make appeals to the fact that evil, let us refer to it in the form of suffering, is a tangible, physical sensation. Yet, this amounts to a bio-organism’s subjective interpretation of sensory input.

Two pop-culture musical groups had something to say in this area: Jane’s Addiction sang, “Ain’t no wrong now, ain’t no right. Only pleasure and pain” (from the song “Ain’t no Right”). The Red Hot Chili Peppers followed this up by singing, “I like pleasure spiked with pain” (from the song “Aeroplane”). Thus, these modern day philosophers took us from morality based on sensory input to the recognition that we are, in reality, speaking of interpretation of said input.

The Greek philosopher Epicurus (341–270 BC) stated the classic form of the problem of evil. His syllogism may be stated:

1. If a perfectly good God exists, then there is no evil in the world.

2. There is evil in the world.

3. Therefore, a perfectly good God does not exist.

The logic behind the argument, again attributed to Epicurus, runs thus:

1. “Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to.

2. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent.

3. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked.

4. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?”

Evil is indeed a very difficult problem. This is not because it is philosophically or emotionally difficult but because it is theologically difficult. In seeking to respond to the problem of evil we are pitting real fairytales versus abstract concepts. Faith versus intellect makes for an uneven fight—how do you argue against dogma? Thus, responses to the problem of evil are generally seen as heartless or dry-as-dust atheist theorizing.

Biblically and philosophically, Epicurus’ first syllogistic point is false since a perfectly good God who allows stupidity can exist and thus, his syllogism fails.

Epicurus’ logic behind the argument fails because he proposes a restricted number of options—it is a false dichotomy.

Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot;

or He can, but does not want to.

Yet, biblically and philosophically a third option is that God wants to abolish evil and can, but He functions on his own timing and He has not done it yet because He cannot abolish evil.

Note also, that God did not create the world with evil, only with an evil snake; it is the result of sin, and is a privation of good, which is a privation of evil.


2eb32f No.6998

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>>6933

> christposter

Stealing the fuck out of this


47832f No.7003

>>6991

>Biblically and philosophically, Epicurus’ first syllogistic point is false since a perfectly good God who allows stupidity can exist and thus, his syllogism fails

You are taking what ordinary people would call evil and rebranding it stupidity.

Occam's razor should apply to theology and the problem of evil, not ad hoc excuses for why one that created the universe is unable to fix a few things.


9143b1 No.7005

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>>6991

>it is a false dichotomy.

No, it's not.

>God wants to abolish evil and can, but He functions on his own timing and He has not done it yet because He cannot abolish evil.

>God wants to abolish evil and can, but He cannot abolish evil.

>God wants to abolish evil, and cannot

That's not a third option.

>God did not create the world with evil, only with an evil snake

>God did not create evil, he created evil.

Are you retarded?


b77d76 No.7010

>>7003

>>7005

That's the joke.jpeg


374cdc No.7020

>>6991

>Yet, biblically and philosophically a third option is that God wants to abolish evil and can, but He functions on his own timing and He has not done it yet because He cannot abolish evil.

>God can

>He cannot

You're an idiot


9143b1 No.7027

>>7010

Sorry, but you sounded like so many other people here. People who are probably not joking when they say stuff like that.


be59dd No.7074

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>6924

The reason a book has to have an author is because books don't self-replicate. Living organisms do. They also evolve and it's possible to trace their evolution back to simple self-replicating molecules that could form naturally under conditions thought to be present on Earth billions of years ago.

>It had not developed from a previous volume, for modifying letters from their inter-related arrangement turns a book into useless gibberish.

That would be true if the modification were a random process, which evolution isn't because natural selection ensures that traits beneficial to survival are more likely to be passed on.

PS there are tons of videos of Dawkins on youtube and none of God, CHECKMATE CHRISTIANS


796fdd No.7749

>>7074

You have a creator: your mother.

What is God? God is the biggest existing being. Therefore God is ur mom.

As a conclusion, we can say that you have been created by God.

Checkmate.


a88a90 No.7772

Do I exist?


a88a90 No.7773

Ayyyyyyyy lmao.


a88a90 No.7774

>>6932

Sabed.

Like Jeebus sabed me.




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