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Not even trying anymore Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 01:29:29 d5ba7e No.7692

I was browsing Facebook today and this article just happened to pop up in my news feed. I cannot even begin to comprehend the level of stupidity in this article. To quote just a few sections:

"Like Eve, we are inclined to judge God’s Word based on our senses and our understanding of what is possible. For some people God’s Word passes the test, and for others it does not. But either way, the test itself is defective because it attempts to judge the infallible Word by standards that are fallible because they are human standards."

"God expects us to reason using our minds and to rely on our senses but not to judge Him and His perfect Word by these lesser standards."

Have Christians given up? This shit is fucking ridiculous. We are supposed to use our brains to reason and determine truth EXCEPT when it comes to the Bible? Does it even occur to this guy for one second that the Bible might NOT be infallible?

Holy shit why even bother with this debate anymore?

Link to full article: http://www.icr.org/article/8681

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 03:20:16 cb1907 No.7693

>>7692

>Does it even occur to this guy for one second that the Bible might NOT be infallible?

Literally no

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 03:41:33 68674c No.7694

>Ph.D. in astrophysics

>takes Genesis literally

There is no explanation for this except intellectual dishonesty.

>if the Bible were not true, then people would have no good reason to trust their own minds or their own senses

Or maybe trolling. Maybe some creationists are just people who have devoted their entire lives to the real life equivalent of trolling.

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 03:46:55 d5ba7e No.7695

>>7694

Do you think he actually harbors serious doubts about his faith but justifies them through the arguments he employed here? I mean the whole article basically says "even if everything we experience suggests otherwise the Bible must be true". That would apply quite directly to the field of astrophysics considering you routinely deal with objects which must be WAYYY over 6,000 years old.

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 04:08:16 68674c No.7696

>>7695

>Do you think he actually harbors serious doubts about his faith but justifies them through the arguments he employed here?

Who knows. I'd like to believe that no one can bullshit themselves hard enough to believe creationism while actually knowing a lot about astrophysics without being aware that it's bullshit on some level, but maybe he really is 100% confident.

>That would apply quite directly to the field of astrophysics considering you routinely deal with objects which must be WAYYY over 6,000 years old.

Yeah, he must have had to employ some serious doublethink to even get through school while believing this.

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 05:20:16 36fd5d No.7697

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>>7694

>Ph.D. in astrophysics

Dr. Lisle earned a master’s degree and a Ph.D. in astrophysics at the University of Colorado in Boulder. He then began working in full-time apologetics ministry, specializing in the defense of Genesis and now works as Director of Research at the Institute for Creation Research. In other words apologetics must be his full time job now.

I like think some of these actors make a living from writing Christian apologetics and so forth, but do not necessarily believe in all that they preach. They are probably sponsored by Christian universities, to write papers or give public speeches. For instance Biola University is a private Christian school in California that charges 35,000 dollars a year for undergrad tuition. (I looked it up!) Biola University invited a graduate from Oxford to debate a Philosophy professor & Skeptic from a local college and they debated over whether Jesus was actually resurrected. I got the impression from the debate that the Oxford graduate didn't fully believe in what he was saying, but adding the debate to his CV so he could someday work at such a University was probably just too good to pass up.

Seriously, I doubt many of these educated people are really Christians. A lot of them are probably close to being Agnostic, or cultural Christians.

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 08:49:55 d9a47d No.7698

>>7692

>Ph.D in Ass-Physics

>Believes in god

Proof that collegiate degrees have lost all value.

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 09:07:29 d5ba7e No.7699

>>7698

Studying astrophysics doesn't educate you on arguments for or against the existence of god. That's like implying a degree in engineering should make you an atheist. Granted studying astrophysics should make you doubt his particular branch of religion (6000 year old universe in particular). But it has very little to do with a god in general at all.

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 10:22:04 317401 No.7700

This thread makes me interested in a comparisson of the degree of irreligion among different scientifical branches. I suspect the biologists to be the most irreligious because darwinian evolution is a field that directly challenges the creationist aspect of many religions or maybe it's easier for them to cling to a view that regards biblical stories as metaphorical but doesn't deny the existance of an intelligently designing supernatural creator? I don't know.

Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 12:22:16 d9a47d No.7703

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>>7699

>Learning about the universe and how the physics of planetary bodies works doesn't educate you as to the matter of the existence of a god.

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 00:41:18 183f27 No.7715

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FUCKING ATHIESTS, WHEN WILL YOU ACCEPT JEESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR???????

HE CAN BECOME ANGRY, AND YOU DON'T LIKE HIM WHEN HE IS ANGRY

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 04:46:31 68674c No.7719

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>>7703

>implying it does

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 11:57:02 f608eb No.7723

>>7719

It does. With every singly thing you learn about the natural world it replaces whatever brainwash or presumptions could replace it. Such as the 'god did it' excuse. The more someone realizes they cannot make such assumptions about the complicated natural world they've already learned is counter to human guesses, the more they realize god is just a made-up feeling to give people hope of ethereal justice.

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 19:41:44 d9a47d No.7724

>>7719

You do know that people used to think that the Earth was flat due to their superstitious beliefs, yes?

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 20:34:09 caa530 No.7725

>>7724

Didn't Genesis promote that idea?

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 22:30:04 551a6e No.7726

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>>7697

I am at Biola uni right now. Check out the plaques they hang.

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 22:45:25 c2ed8a No.7727

>>7724

I've seen this get tossed around from time to time - but even in the 1200s they knew the earth was round.

I do recall something from the bible about the four corners of the earth, and another scene where they stand up on a mountain so high that they could see all the lands of the world - indicating that whoever wrote it believed the earth was flat.

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 22:53:05 551a6e No.7729

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>>7726

There is a prayer walk

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 22:55:13 551a6e No.7730

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Why have just a science hall? You can have a cathedral next to it, so the two can coexist!

Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 22:56:54 551a6e No.7731

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Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 23:12:42 551a6e No.7732

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Yes that was a horse trail. And Biola has both Theology/ethics text books and books on ender's game and heinlein for sale for classes in the book store. They must teach science fiction.

The school is mostly white and conservative. But I love all the quotes about how the bible makes you stronger. There aren't as many quotes about tolerance or peace as you would expect, sadly. I wonder about the mental gymnastics one must have to teach biology here, or even business. They have a Christian newspaper, radio station so you can be surrounded by Christ at all times. A plaque stations they could have lost the property nearby that these rich people were leasing too a Middle School, but some "faithful" (their word choice) trustee sold his vacation house resulting in a "miracle" (their word choice not mine) which came in handy for when they needed to expand the university for Jeebus by kicking out the middle schoolers and demolishing their buildings.

I guess this is a school rich Christians pay to send their kids to if they cannot get into a more competitive university in California, and they console themselves that at least it's CHRISTIAN And Their Kid Won't Be BRAINWASHED With a "liberal education."

Anonymous 05/16/15 (Sat) 00:51:50 d9a47d No.7733

>>7727

>but even in the 1200s they knew the earth was round.

Yeah, I know, I said that. It wasn't until much later that we understood that it was actually spherical.

Anonymous 05/16/15 (Sat) 00:52:19 d9a47d No.7734

>>7726

You can't be getting a very good education.

Anonymous 05/16/15 (Sat) 05:27:44 25caae No.7735

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>>7734

I was just a tourist. I love the prayer walk above. If you zoom in it wants you to pray as you walk to certain points on the map that more will be be able ro acces Biola's resources, that the doners will give more generously to the school, and that the school may extend it's influence to more countries.