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7f737f No.8431

With the re-emergence of Christianity in Russia, and it's rapid spread in China (10% Christian), I want to know how did the Communists fail to impart lasting Atheism? It was a missed opportunity to banish the shadow of superstition in two of the most populous countries.

Something else that occured to me, is you would expect more Christians to be supportive of Communism, and more Atheists to be supportive of Capitalism. It is interesting how Communisim became associated with godlessness in America, and the church rallied against it, resulting in "In God we trust" on currencies, and throughout the government. As I'll explain, "real" Christianity espouses values similiar to Communism, and the two should synergize.

Communism is about rising above human instincts for a greater good, like rising above your animal passions through artifical controls which is what Christianity preaches. It is about working together. Without continuous fine tuning Communism can devolve into crony capitalism or a form of totalitarianism.

Capitalism is amoral/nhilistic, and is similar to natural evolution in that the rewards go to the strongest, and their offspring. It is individualistic. It requires no wise men, or guiding hand to continue to exist, unless too much power congregates in the hands of a few greedy individuals, who can then usurp control, and form own government and economic system.

In that sense Marx was right, and every economic system is bouncing along on a spectrum one inch removed from the totalitarian possibilities. Communism might be on the opposite extreme from forms of Capitalism and might allow many freedoms.

It might simply have appeared before it's time. As techonology and thinking advance, it might become viable and we will see a resurgence in a more peaceful and benevolent era, where enlightened people genuinely care for each other like brothers.

It could start in a heavily religious country, if the churches and cathedrals truly believed in practicing philanthropy, or egalitarianism. However they would need to choose to support the movement, rather than protecting their own interests and significant assets. That could easily explain why they resisted Communism, with quotes from the bible. (Luke 19:11)

b639b6 No.8434

I don't see how communism could be embraced by atheism. Most atheists think that every person should be judged differently depending on what he does, this is how we define a good person.

Christians think that as long as you "accept jesus in your heart" and confess your sins you can still be saved, no matter what horrible things you done, as long as you ask for forgiveness.

SO, christians would be fine to group people under the same roof and they all think that every human is a creation of god, therefore everyone is a precious creature of their god. If everyone is grouped like that they would have no problems in everyone being given equal merits.

Atheists think that if you are a shit person then you are a shit person, and you don't deserve equal merit to those who behave better than you. And should be the correct thing to do.

I don't like communism at all, we aren't all equal, we aren't all special, I don't want some psycho to be treated like some people who are good.


4a3379 No.8435

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>>8431

>Something else that occured to me, is you would expect more Christians to be supportive of Communism, and more Atheists to be supportive of Capitalism.

>Implying that's not exactly how it is.

>Communism is about rising above human instincts for a greater good, like rising above your animal passions through artifical controls which is what Christianity preaches. It is about working together.

Which is a pipe dream. At least Libertarians see the good in the government which is why they don't want to abolish it, just limit it. Which is why it makes no sense when Anarcho-capitalists call themselves Libertarian.

Anarchy isn't Libertarianism.

>Capitalism is amoral

Okay, that makes sense.

>nihilistic

Wut? If anything, it is Existentialist.

I have never actually met a nihilist that wasn't a theist. Nihilism actually blends well with theism even though it makes no sense.

>and is similar to natural evolution in that the rewards go to the strongest, and their offspring.

That's not what evolution is, but I understand the point you're trying to make.

>It is individualistic. It requires no wise men, or guiding hand to continue to exist

Crony-capitalism exists, anon.

>unless too much power congregates in the hands of a few greedy individuals, who can then usurp control, and form own government and economic system.

And that's called an Oligarchy.

>In that sense Marx was right, and every economic system is bouncing along on a spectrum one inch removed from the totalitarian possibilities.

Not every government is controlled by rich people otherwise the Green party the Democrats and the Communist party wouldn't exist.

>Communism might be on the opposite extreme from forms of Capitalism and might allow many freedoms.

Okay, now I've lost you. What the fuck are you even talking about at this point?

>It might simply have appeared before it's time.

Now you are the one who's lost. Communism has only ever worked in extremely small tribal societies and religion has always accompanied it. Look at tribal African societies. Economically, they work, even though societally, they fail miserably.

As technology and thinking advance, someone will always have something else that someone wants and they will have something that they are willing to barter for it. And from that, Capitalism will rise. Capitalism is here to stay. Deal with it.

>it might become viable and we will see a resurgence in a more peaceful and benevolent era, where enlightened people genuinely care for each other like brothers.

Only Totalitarianism could achieve that and you're welcome to move to North Korea, or Somalia if that's your taste, I'd rather stay here.

>It could start in a heavily religious country

Communism usually always starts in heavily religious countries, that's why it devolved into totalitarian fascism in Russia, because it's capitalism is human nature and communism can never manifest on such a large scale. Which is why China may say that they're the most Communistic nation in Asia when in fact they may very well be one of the most Capitalistic.

>if the churches and cathedrals truly believed in practicing philanthropy, or egalitarianism. However they would need to choose to support the movement, rather than protecting their own interests and significant assets.

Church is one of the closest ways you can actually practice communism in a capitalistic society. I know that in the Mormon church, if you are having financial problems, the church will literally give you money. That's what tithes are for. And if you're having problems, you don't even have to pay tithes, because if you could pay tithes, you wouldn't need the money.

Capitalism is the most Libertarian economic philosophy.

We are not equal. Your actions are what make you equal to someone. Equality is subjective anyway. What a Liberal consider equal is far from what I consider equal.


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38d867 No.8445

>>8431

>10% Christian

>Various recent demographic analyses have found that an average 2—4% of the population of China claims a Christian affiliation.

Don't make up numbers.

Also some of the ex commie countries didn't go back to chtristianity.


7f737f No.8447

>>8445

Whoops. The population has been growing at 10% for Protestant Christians.

Source: http://www.slate.com/bigideas/what-is-the-future-of-religion/essays-and-opinions/fenggang-yang-opinion


e72a14 No.8448

>>8431

>Capitalsim is amoral/nihilistic

>It is individualistic

Pick one.


4a3379 No.8454

>>8445

China has always had a rather large christian population.


376577 No.8456

>f Christianity in Russia, and it's rapid spread in China (10% Christian), I want to know how did the Communists fail to impart lasting Atheism?

Polish/Czech/East-German differences are more interesting.


38d867 No.8463

>>8456

The poles are still pretty christian. But they stayed christian in commie times. Czechs and East Germans were probably not that religious in the first place and pressure from the government divided them further from the churches.


322b02 No.8464

>>8463

Well, the Czechs have a history of this but East Germany used to be the heart of Lutheran Protestantism.


38d867 No.8466

>>8464

Friedrich Nietzsche is from the east and he is a famous critic of religion.

Also I think it's part of their mentality: The church is an institution like schools. They don't think they are part of it. They go to church because it's required but they are not very spiritual.They listen to authorities.

But I don't know if that's a recent phenomenon.




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