/atheism/ - Atheism

>Without God, the only thing stopping atheists from doing whatever they want is fear of being punished by the law.

Seek help man, if the only thing keeping you from murdering someone is god threatening you, it would seem that the only thing keeping you from murdering is the law, the law of god. And guess what faggot, there is no god.

>>8798

Reading material:

http://infidels.org/kiosk/article/communism-is-religion-238.html

Not all communist countries became fully atheistic.

The body count argument is stupid and I don't use it but I'll entertain it just this once so you can stop using it too.

Communism is deliberately anti-theist, no doubt about that, but most of the deaths under the regimes were not due to religious reasons. It wasn't malicious atheists burning down churches and killing anyone with a crucifix. The parties in charge would stomp on the church and any other enemies of the party.

I suppose for those deaths that are directly related to the communist party surpressing religion you could add those to the atheist body count. But totaling up the total number of deaths caused by the communist parties and attributing to them to atheism as a whole is overly simplistic and dishonest. If I were to count every indian slaughtered in the Americas as part of the Christian body count, because on one side there were Christians and one the other pagans, you would probably think the same.

Let's just stop with this line of debate then. It doesn't get us anywhere. People kill for many reasons. Sometimes for ideologies, sometimes for religion, most of the time for power and resources.

>>8798

>All communist countries are atheistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Cuba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Cuba

>All communist countries are atheistic.

The opposite isn't true though.

>Could it be that maybe, just maybe, believing in nothing and the lack of a fear of any sort of punishment or afterlife leads to psychopathic behavior?

Then please explain the Crusades and the religious wars in Europe

>communist

>country

Communism has never been tried and it's impossible to have a communist country since how can you have a stateless and classless country, a stateless country can not exist.

Socialism has existed in many forms some have succeeded and some have failed, even the shit ones like Russia the living standards of the people grew, turned a country infested with kings and queens and peseants who were sold off with the land they worked on into a power house.

>>8798

How many times do we have to say atheism does not imply communism. You can a atheist who is a liberal secular humanist, or far right Ayn Rand objectivist(lol), or a green anarchist.

Atheism says a lack of belief in God, nothing else, hell even being irreligous or anti theistic doesn't even lead to communism. Go back to posting fedora pictures it all you people have left.

>>8823

>Communism has never been tried

You know what, you're right. Just not in the way that you're thinking.

I've also noticed that several critics of communists are also atheists not the least of which is Ayn Rand.

>believing in nothing and the lack of a fear of any sort of punishment or afterlife leads to psychopathic behavior?

You're yet to demonstrate an actual corrolation. Yes all these communist countries were atheist…but they were also communist and as others have pointed out, that's not an inherent following of atheism nor is it exclusive to atheism.

And if this were true, wouldn't you then expect the opposite to be true as well? That believing in Gods leads to more moral behavior? Because as far as human rights are concerned, the more religious the country, less people have less rights than in secular countries. The worst offenders being the Middle East and North Korea (who believe that their leader is a literal God).

Also if you want to get right down to it, technically Marx never killed anyone but that's sort of besides the point.

>>8811

Nice double dubs.

>>8833

Nice double dubs

>All communist countries are atheistic

so you don't know shit about Cuba, nor about Soviet Russia which was and still is highly Christian compared to countries like England, France, Germany, Neatherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Iceland.

>>8798

>Marx killed anybody

>implying his contributions aren't extremely valuable to world philosophy no matter what socio-economic ideology you ascribe to.

>implying the deaths ascribed to Stalin and Mao Tse are what christards actually like to believe, namely that these guys are the direct or intellectual first-degree murderers of thousands or millions, moreover that they did so because they were atheists.

This is as stupid as claiming that George W. Bush was in charge for killing thousands of Muslims because he was a Christian, and to add in top of that the deaths of thousands of mexicans and hobos who died out of stupid policies during the Bush administration. Do you see the problem with that?

> All communist countries regularly engage in oppressing and murdering their own people

just for the record, communism doesn't imply state communism. The early Christian communities, that is before Constantine, are described as communist. And the deluded leftist Christians even think that Jesus was a pioneer of communism.

>All communist countries regularly engage in oppressing… their own people

I hope you are not an Ameritard because government oppression also applies to you

>and yet they believed in animal gods and shit, so they weren't atheists

>but they were communist anyway

your point being?

>How do atheists explain this alarming correlation?

in this case there's some correlation but not causation. and the evidence for correlation isn't pretty binding. You just pointed out tribes, and I mentioned early Christians, as examples of communist societies that weren't atheists.

On the other hand atheism in its current form is at least as old as the Enlightenment, and it would take at least another 150 years for Marxism to develop, and some other decades for your favorite genocidal communist states to be born. That should be a no brainer proving that atheism and communism or whatever political, social or economical ideology are completely independent. I mean, why should they be causally linked? It is not clear to me at all why not believing in deities leads you to Marxism or communist theory.

>believing in nothing

believing in nothing? is this for real?

do you think atheism means believing in nothing? I think this explains the low quality of your post

>the lack of a fear of any sort of punishment or afterlife leads to psychopathic behavior?

on the contrary. refraining from doing evil out of fear of supernatural bullshit and being virtuous looking to be rewarded a ton of bullshit is an ethics of manchildren. When you grow out of it you are in a much better position to make ethical judgements on your own and take full responsibility for them. Christards think everything is forgivable anyway, they completely lack a sense of justice. Statistics show that there's correlation between religiosity and crime.

You would be surprised to know how big the proportion of atheists is among thinkers and artists compared to their size in comparison with the general population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_atheists

>>8798

…by the way, East Asia has always been atheistic. China and Vietnam would be primarily atheistic with or without gobbunism.

I also think communist leaders imported atheism to their politics simply because they happened to be atheist and wanted to use the same momentum to spread atheism with undue reason, and because Marx also happened to be an atheist. Had Marx been a Christian we would probably had seen the rise of the same communist states, and the same people being persecuted and killed but by christians.

after all, all three Abrahamic religions have an exemplary record when it comes to war, invasion and persecution; but Jews and Christians never acknowledge it because they have a martyr syndrom which works as a selection bias when it comes to self-consideration and historicity. And Islam still kinda emphasizes killing in the name of God as a virtue, so…

>>8798

daily reminder that ethics started to develop as philosophy on its own, independently from religions and theism, and it only was the Abrahamic freaks that took it hostage and made a monopoly out of it.

daily reminder that ever since the end of the Dark Ages ethics was again academically separated from religion altogether and all the ethical systems and all the work done in that area by people of the height of Kant, Rousseau, Mill or Nietzsche was totally detached from theism OP, you clearly don't know a thing about ethics