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 No.39532

Why don't we use nuclear power in Australia?

We're one of the few developed countries that don't use it, despite being stable as fuck on our tectonic plate.

It's cleaner than the coal we use, we have the uranium, it'd piss off the greens, what gives?

 No.39533

* we ran out of 'cheap' yellowcake two decades ago– you now have to put more energy into refining Uranium ore than you'll get back out of it– it's essentially a battery now. This is the primary reason that Johnny Howard's attempt 10 years ago to 'have a nuclear discussion' petered out.

* too many political fuckwits think 'we should enrich it ourselves! …and get a super-secret nuke programme going like the Israelis.. which'll make Indonesia do the same..

* there is a global enrichment exchange market… but its customers can't make money from the process.

(Enriching ore: "$N".. reprocessing 1st time: "$5N"… reprocessing 2nd time: "$20N" .. 3rd time "nah, it's waste, chuck it". And reprocessing is only viable when there's another customer/military who want the Plutonium)

* the geological strata might be -relatively- stable (we still get earthquakes), but there's also the water system. Sinroc is only cost-effective for medium-level waste. A billion tonnes of low-level waste is impossible to hide from the environment.

* Australian's climate is fluxing rapidly– South Australia's Goyder line is not fixed in stone– 200 years from now, Coober Pedy could be arable… if it isn't becquerel'd to all fuck.

* Put an Australian Businessman in care of a poison that lasts for tens of thousands of years? "She'll be Right Mate. I'll make more money if we get the P-plater to move the low-waste illegally in his unmarked Ute." There's illegal nuke dumps along the Pacific Highway between Newcastle and Byron. I've got a m8 who is on the Disability Pension from work-related accident with Cobolt60 where the company was at fault.

* …and the countries that have successfully utilized nuke power (the USA, France) have done so under the aegis of their Military being in tight control. We fuck around and lose things too much, badly enough that we've been excluded.

* …let's list the countries with 'competent' Commercial Nuclear Power: Japan …oh. TESCO.

* Ask the residents of Hunters Hill in Sydney what they think about having Governments deciding what is or isn't radioactive that year.


 No.39534

> too many political fuckwits

Barnaby Joyce sells a licence to a Chinese company to build Australia's first commercial nuclear power plant… in the Riverina

>Joyce: whattarea gonna do? Vote for the GREENIES?? hahahha


 No.39536

Wherever you try to build it some white greenies will kick some abbo's out of their sleeping bags on the street and will pay them a goon bag to protest this. Boongs don't even know where electricity comes from just like Centrelink.


 No.39538

>Why don't we use nuclear power in Australia?

we're too dumb


 No.39540

no (real) earthquakes

no tsunamis

loads of uninhabitable desert to dump radioactive waste in

maybe we're scared of deviating from the two-timing america-china slut and into a nuclear warhead nation


 No.39547

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>>39540

>loads of uninhabitable desert to dump radioactive waste in

that's a trillion trillion trillion miles away…


 No.39552

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>>39547

good times


 No.39571

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These are the main things that concern me with the viability of Australia adopting nuclear power, all good points brought up by >>39533

>* we ran out of 'cheap' yellowcake two decades ago– you now have to put more energy into refining Uranium ore than you'll get back out of it– it's essentially a battery now. This is the primary reason that Johnny Howard's attempt 10 years ago to 'have a nuclear discussion' petered out.

>* too many political fuckwits think 'we should enrich it ourselves! …and get a super-secret nuke programme going like the Israelis.. which'll make Indonesia do the same..

>* there is a global enrichment exchange market… but its customers can't make money from the process.

>(Enriching ore: "$N".. reprocessing 1st time: "$5N"… reprocessing 2nd time: "$20N" .. 3rd time "nah, it's waste, chuck it". And reprocessing is only viable when there's another customer/military who want the Plutonium)

>* the geological strata might be -relatively- stable (we still get earthquakes), but there's also the water system. Sinroc is only cost-effective for medium-level waste. A billion tonnes of low-level waste is impossible to hide from the environment.

Most countries that have adopted widespread nuclear power have adopted it because they've also got a weapons program on the side that needs feeding, otherwise it's expensive and somewhat uneconomical to set up. Plus there's the fact that our biggest neighbour, Indonesia, is a major middle-power. The idea of one of their major neighbours and competitors (us) having nukes would probably unsettle them enough to want their own, particularly when they're in a region of the world already surrounded by major powers that are nuclear neighbours (China, India).

And this doesn't even start on the issue of major aquifers…people always point out 'oh, Australia is tectonically stable, it's perfectly safe for burying waste under' while neglecting to remember that we've got a lot of gigantic aquifers underneath the continent, all of which our farmers rely on for irrigation in the more arid but otherwise productive parts of the country. Pic related, Meckering Earthquake in 1968, WA. WA is on one of the oldest bits of the continent (and therefore logically the most stable) yet this sort of thing can still happen.

If we're going to dump the waste anywhere, it's going to have to be somewhere that we don't care about it potentially hitting the water table in the event of a leak. When you're on the driest inhabited continent on Earth, places like that are few and far between.

If Greenpeace weren't faggots who'd prevented the opening of Yucca Mountain in America (which as a geologist, I think is probably one of the best places there is for a nuke waste dump without spending squillions of dollars digging holes in Antarctica or the seafloor) then I'd be fully behind the idea of Australian nuclear energy. Until we have a solid idea of what to do with the waste though…yeah nah.


 No.39572

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbI0UPwQHg

Keep in mind that there has to be power, what is the least worst choice? Look at all your options and compare them equally.

>>39571

Coal kills 10,000 people per year in the US as a part of normal operation (repository), Aus does not have a study apart from the cancer council saying that we should look into this.

Waste is waste, compare what waste is produced from a different energy source for the same amount of energy.

Above video makes some good points on nuclear waste; What is wrong with storing it? Nuclear waste compared to pollution? Spent nuclear fuel recycled in next generation reactors.


 No.39573

>>39571

Just put it in an area where no one gives a fuck about the water. A lot of hypersaline shit in the Yilgarn craton that literally does not matter if we let it get contaminated. Of course basic design principles should apply, surroundings have to have low permeability, with additional interest in picking an area with a non-problematic hydraulic gradient. Keep it away from the eastern drainage basins, and away from population centres. Sure you might contaminate a few palaeochannels, but who gives a shit.

Intra-plate earthquakes are a risk, but surely even a cursory look with pre-existing recon-based geophys would help identify sites with low-levels of existing weakness. You could even do regional land-2d seismic and correlate with anisotropy parameters to check for small scale sub-surface fractures.

Your other problems remain problems, but note this. We are in a critical couple of decades when it comes to global warming. When the developing world turns middle-class, climate change will become an extreme issue. The world can not simply withstand having 9 billion (2050 population estimate) people emitting at close to Australia levels. Risks and costs exist with literally all forms of power generation purely because of the massive scale required.

Furthermore, it's not something we can ignore, because trade agreements in the future will likely be linked to carbon emissions. While climate change is not something we can prevent, we can certainly slow it to a level to which we can adapt to.


 No.39578

>>39573

>When the developing world turns middle-class, climate change will become an extreme issue. The world can not simply withstand having 9 billion (2050 population estimate) people emitting at close to Australia levels.

Well rather than having to drastically rebuild and restructure the world before we reach that point, why not just exterminate all the poor people in the third world before they turn into billions and billions of-not poor people?

It was by either 2050 or 2100 that there will be 4 billion+ Africans in the world. Four fucking billion.


 No.39585

>>39578

> why not just exterminate all the poor people in the third world before they turn into billions and billions of-not poor people?

Been tried lots. Unfortunately there's also lots of money to be made selling weapons to the 'poor people', and little of the goal is achieved.


 No.39590

>>39585

>>39578

The low level wars that have been occurring recently do little to nothing to stem population growth. Afghanistan, has been in a constant state of war since the 1980s, yet the population growth outstrips most other nations in the world.

Add further to the problem of increased migration (which turns formerly low-carbon footprint humans in to high carbon ones), then low scale conflict is definitely counter-productive from a population sense.

However, from a carbon per-capita sense, low level conflict probably slows global warming. Low level conflict causes infrastructure to degrade, electricty production to cease, consumption to be lowered, and transportation to be restricted. All very green ideals.




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