/aus/ - Australia

>My god why did I move here from Melbourne?

well why?

>>40440

Work.

Problem is i'm too tied down here now, I can't leave.

>>40438

at least we get good festivals, like Floriade

nothing gets the blood pumping like tulips and tulips and tulips

market opportunity?

what do the people there do for fun?

>>40466

Canberra is a sportfag city, very active sports scene, nothing else.

Everyone who isn't a Sportfag basically has nothing to do.

>one of the most boring as fuck places in the country.

MUH BREAD AND CIRCUS

>>40438

> tiny population spread out over an area larger than London

Go and live in Beijing then, you disgusting, absolutely retarded density fetishist faggot.

>>40449

Wow, I took that 2nd photo.

Feels strange to think that people saved the photos I posted on KC a couple of years ago.

>>40481

ebin. You're not the guy who moved to Qld, are you?

>>40482

I'm the one who took that photo and a bunch of other photos, most of them apparently boring.

I don't go to KC now. Have other stuff to do, but still hang around chans sometimes.

>>40471

Fuck off.

Canberra is the city where everything went wrong with urban planning did go wrong, it's often voted among the most boring cities in the world.

Boring, lifeless, bureaucratic, events are all over-micromanaged by fucking pubes, venues get shut down because of noise complaints.

The inner north should have been high-medium density, Canberra center was a fucking mistake (killed outside civic), Tuggernong was a mistake. (no way to really improve Tuggernong without it being a burden of cost on the rest of the city since Tuggernong is basically a out of the way satellite town)

>>40466

dog fucking

until recently it was legal there

now they just hide it

>>40478

>Brothels.

Nope, go Backpage escorts. Brothels are filled with meth-heads.

>Source, have friends who are massive brothel fiends

>>40497

It's more like there are two types of brothels

The first is meth-heads, the second is fresh off the boat Thai girls who don't speak a lick of Enlgish

I've been to both

>>40515

>Enlgish

On second thought they might be better at English than me

>>40492

You are an absolute fucking retard. Not everybody is a degenerate hipster faggot who wants to live in an apartment. The one thing this city got right is urban planning.

>>40492

Why do you think you should be able to dictate how other people should live?

It could be worse, I live in a country town in SA. there is nothing remotely interesting to speak off, it's just a bunch of suburban houses and a few stores and I have no car or job either.

>>40540

>>40541

Never said everyone has to live in an apartment, I said the INNER NORTH should be medium-high density and add high density along arterial roads and rail corridors.

>The one thing this city got right is urban planning.

Except Canberra's urban planning is so bad that you have entire areas of the city that are completely ignored in development, an oversupply of retail since everything is low density and shops need to open multiple stores to reach any decent level of customers, car centric so the entire city is a ghost town outside of the Shopping Malls.

The idea that Canberra has good urban planning is absolutely laughable.

>>40547

>I said the INNER NORTH should be medium-high density

No it shouldn't be you dumb communist cunt. Canberra is a small town not a fucking Chinese-style megacity. You absolutely retarded leftcunt. Fuck right off back to melbourne.

>car centric

Much better than public transport centric. Get a car you girly faggot.

>oversupply of retail

No, not really.

Canberra's whole appeal is its low-density, family-friendly layout. If you need a nightclub on every corner, towering Stalinist-style skyscrapers, public transport where women have to catch the train next Ahmed and Jamal, go and live in some fucking other city you degenerate faggot communist cunt.

>>40554

>Canberra is a small town

No it's not, it's 350,000 moving towards 400,000 people. It's a medium city.

>Much better than public transport centric. Get a car you girly faggot.

I have a car and why should I be happy having to spend fucking retarded amounts of money on fuel in the city with the highest fuel costs in Australia and among the lowest densities of any city?

>Canberra's whole appeal is its low-density, family-friendly layout.

Canberra has no appeal apart from being a retirement village and high average income. Because of low-density, the entire city is a fucking ghost town that has less life than a country town a tenth of the size.

>>40554

>No it shouldn't be you dumb communist cunt. Canberra is a small town not a fucking Chinese-style megacity. You absolutely retarded leftcunt. Fuck right off back to melbourne.

Yeah nah, you're wrong.

The inner north is being redeveloped to higher density shit as we speak, but the point is it should have been planned that way because the roads aren't going to be sufficient for the number of people that'll live there, and ANU's lack of parking spills into Turner and O'Connor as people street-park and walk in to uni which makes things worse.

It's going to end up being really hard to get in/out of the inner north during peak hour and there's fuck all they're going to be able to do, it'd be absurdly expensive to widen the roads.

>>405701

honestly it's probably better to ignore him, not even sure why I responded, he's a tard.

>>40570

meant to quote you

>>40492

The Canberra center re-development sorta killed the rest of civic but there were other factors, chuggers and the bums had a serious effect, you couldn't walk through garema place without being accosted my multiple people when it was at its worst.

Also the whole of Canberra is a burden on the rest of the country, Tuggeranong is actually pretty cool, there's a kind of arc of less-shit people from Queanbeyan through Jerrabomberra down through Tuggeranong, lots more tradies and people who work in the private sector (what of it that there is), way less pretentious.

The main problem with Tuggeranong is that it was only half built, there was meant to be a bunch of shit west of Greenway but for some bullshit environmental reason it was never built, leaving the Tuggeranong town center on the edge of town instead of in the middle.

also the parking situation in civic started going to hell when the re-development happened, and around the same time most of the parking was built over in citywest and on the edge of ANU.

Since the more or less the only place to park in civic now is the canberra center people ended up just shopping there. It wasn't so much the offerings but the fact you have to go there anyway just to park.

>>40570

Have you thought about maybe crying harder?

The ACT also has unusual laws in regards to drugs, fireworks, and pornography compared to the rest of the country.

>>40485

Well that's a shame. Please come back to KC if you ever find the time.

>>40584

>Well that's a shame. Please come back to KC if you ever find the time.

I don't see the point. I've moved onto other things, not just IRL but also in where I spend my time on the net, and honestly KC isn't what it used to be.

Are there niggers in Canberra OP?

>>40570

Go and fucking die you retarded communist cunt.

>>40572

>The inner north is being redeveloped to higher density

Yes, Labor's plan is for everybody to be a gay little faggot like you who lives in an apartment. That's why the average greenfield lot in Canberra is now $500,000 despite there being essentially limitless land surrounding most of the city. The ACT's government has deliberately restricted land release to provide demand for their big commieblock developments.

Faggot, faggot, faggot.

>>40589

>Faggot, faggot, faggot.

have you recently suffered a head injury or something? there's more than one person arguing with you now, I'm not the Melbourne guy.

>That's why the average greenfield lot in Canberra is now $500,000 despite there being essentially limitless land surrounding most of the city. The ACT's government has deliberately restricted land release.

No shit.

>>40580

this is just delusional, Canberra is riddled with faggots and you'd need to be a faggot to tolerate working under some of the clit-dicked "professional" women of the APS.

and I can't think of any way to describe someone without explicitly calling them gay or referencing a gay sex act that describes a faggot more than: "Canberra Cyclist".

are you a member of "Pedal Power"?

>>40588

not OP but there's a few. "refugees" etc.

Not that many but you know… there's a critical shortage of public housing for Australians who are in need, so why not bring in some niggers in who'll be 100% reliant on government housing, welfare and other services for their entire lives?

It's 2016 after all.

>>40590

>No shit.

OK. So do you support getting rid of those crazy restrictions and making Canberra affordable? If so we can at least come to one agreement. You must know, though, that demand for apartments will totally dry up once people can buy a lot for ~$50,000 (what it would be without planning restrictions stopping greenfield subdivisions).

>>40594

I'd like to see that all over Australia.

Like how it works in Texas, etc. I knew the drill. I'm familiar with the subject.

A lot of the apartments that have been built recently are of shockingly bad quality too.

eg:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/some-flawed-canberra-apartment-towers-cheaper-to-rebuild-than-fix-expert-says-20160124-gmcrl4.html

same shit has gone on in other cities too.

>>40600

Correct. I'm glad you're on the same page as me here. Sorry for abusing you, I thought you were the OP.

>>40601

You do realize though that without restrictive planing laws all those disgusting fibro dog-boxes in turner would have been bulldozed decades ago and replaced with townhouses and small apartment blocks?

I mean… medium density stuff from the 80s is actually kinda okay, it would be better than what they have now, the slightly higher density stuff that's built in Greenway and some parts of inner Belconnen from that era is actually pretty cozy, but there really is no way that you'd see houses on full blocks survive in Turner/Braddon without the planning shit.

>>40607

>but there really is no way that you'd see houses on full blocks survive in Turner/Braddon without the planning shit.

to add, not that they're surviving now but they survived a lot longer than they would have.

>>40607

>You do realize though that without restrictive planing laws all those disgusting fibro dog-boxes in turner would have been bulldozed decades ago and replaced with townhouses and small apartment blocks?

most of the pressure on innercity development comes from the fact that they aren't allowed to build anything on greenfield areas anymore. so yes there would be some subdivision near the centre of canberra but not as much as you'd think.

also, in places like texas which have accomodated truly insane population growth without any housing price growth, they still have the basic free market system of restrictive covenants. so a developer when making a subdivison places covenants on the lots to say how they can be used, giving the home buyer certainty that a factory can't be built next to their house. these covenants can and do also restrict subdivison.

Problem with Canberra is it offers nothing for young people. Canberra has what you call a transient population, people leave almost at the same rate people come.

Most young people in Canberra seem to be here for UC and ANU and come here from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, so when summer comes, they all piss off, half the pubes piss off to wherever their families are etc, which leaves Canberra in summer abandoned and there is nothing resembling nightlife in Canberra in the summer.

Winter is too cold to go out so Winter nightlife suffers.

The only time there is anything really resembling life in Canberra is Spring.

It cities like Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney etc the same amount of time to literally double their population for Canberra to get 20,000 more people.

Places like Tuggernong are supposed to hold 250,000 people. The inner north was originally supposed to hold 1.3 million.

Problem with Canberra is it offers nothing for young people or people without families. Canberra has what you call a transient population, people leave almost at the same rate people come.

Most young people in Canberra seem to be here for UC and ANU and come here from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, so when summer comes, they all piss off, half the pubes piss off to wherever their families are etc, which leaves Canberra in summer abandoned and there is nothing resembling nightlife in Canberra in the summer.

Winter is too cold to go out so Winter nightlife suffers.

The only time there is anything really resembling life in Canberra is Spring.

Cities like Melbourne, Brisbane, Sydney etc took the same amount of time to literally double their population that Canberra took to get 20,000 more people.

Places like Tuggernong are supposed to hold 250,000 people. The inner north was originally supposed to hold 1.3 million.

>The Canberra center re-development sorta killed the rest of civic but there were other factors, chuggers and the bums had a serious effect, you couldn't walk through garema place without being accosted my multiple people when it was at its worst.

Honestly they should ban Chuggers, it's a fucking scam and they accost you fucking EVERYWHERE. They literally hang out the front of supermarkets and IGA's and everything. I won't go to many local shops I know where Chuggers are, I won't go out into Garema because of Chuggers.

>Tuggeranong is actually pretty cool

I live in Tuggernong, Tuggernong is a fucking shithole that's just a giant urban ghetto stuck in the 1980s, not as bad as Woden or Weston, but that isn't saying much.

As I have said before, the entirety of Tuggernong was just a mistake, Canberra never should of head further south of Woden into the Tuggernong valley, there was literally no need. Hindmarsh drive should have been the southern boundary of Canberra.

I can tell you right now that every political party in Canberra wishes Anything west or South of Woden didn't exist, they are near impossible to properly service, they are near impossible to actually fix.

>>40580

>You could try not being a fat, useless waste of space and start cycling (fucking beautiful cycling in Canberra), or any number of hobbies, they have great sports clubs, amazing parks and facilities.

I'm not a sportfag. Canberra has absolutely fucking dogshit parks. Even Queanbeyan has better parks.

Why in fuck would I cycle everywhere when Canberra has nowhere to fucking go to or anything interesting to look at along any route? What makes actual real cities interesting and why I will walk in Melbourne or Sydney is because the city itself has life and atmosphere that you can soak up just by walking around, with Canberra you'll just walk through endless suburbs not seeing another soul.

>>40589

The reason Canberra has to move towards high density (like it was fucking planned by Griffin) is because it's stupid as fuck to just constantly build large blocks, outrageously expensive to service, public transport goes down the drain, infrastructure upgrades are near impossible, the local economy suffers because the population is spread too thin.

Canberra is fucking shit, you're an idiot, you're the reason Canberra is shit.

>>40631

Damn, really? Sounds like we have space to put up all the refugees were they to come. (v:

>>40632

>Most young people in Canberra seem to be here for UC and ANU and come here from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, so when summer comes, they all piss off, half the pubes piss off to wherever their families are

There are seriously people who work full time jobs in the APS who say "I live in the Sutherland Shire but spend a lot of time in Canberra".

>>40632

>I live in Tuggernong

>the entirety of Tuggernong was just a mistake,

So you don't want to have a home?

> Hindmarsh drive should have been the southern boundary of Canberra.

How would you enforce this? Where would everybody live? Why do you want to force everyone to live where you think they should?

>>40632

>Canberra is fucking shit, you're an idiot, you're the reason Canberra is shit.

Let's meet up and fight. Not even joking. I'd like to beat the absolute fuck out of a communist pro-density faggot like you.

>>40643

>So you don't want to have a home?

I would rather I didn't live in under-serviced suburban sprawl that has nothing going for it or no development to look forward too for decades because Tuggernong is a massive black hole when it comes to investment.

>How would you enforce this? Where would everybody live? Why do you want to force everyone to live where you think they should?

What is urban planning moron. You do realize the reason Canberra has crazy urban sprawl right is because the ACT Assembly on both sides is controlled by property developers who just want to constantly create large greenfields in the middle of nowhere and flog them off for ultra cheap with absolutely no thought put into infrastructure and services right?

ACT was designed by Griffin himself to hold 1.5 million people between South Canberra (Yarralumla, Narrabundah) too Mitchell right?

>Why do you want to force everyone to live where you think they should?

What is good urban planning you fucking retard? The reason Canberra struggles to grow, has one of the shittiest local economies in the country and can barely service itself is due to the clusterfuck of Urban planning when they completely shit over Griffins vision post WW2.

>Let's meet up and fight. Not even joking. I'd like to beat the absolute fuck out of a communist pro-density faggot like you.

Kek, what are you? 12?

>>40656

>did you get kicked out of Melbourne for whinging too much?

Caring about urban design and pointing out the huge issues Canberra has is "Whinging too much".

Canberra is a shithole, the only people who defend it are the retards who have never gone anywhere else and realized how fucking shit this city is in every way from amenities too atmosphere.

If you want your giant fucking blocks, go move to the country.

>>40658

>a bloo bloo

You could have just said 'Yes' mate

>>40657

>I would rather I didn't live in under-serviced suburban sprawl

So go live in one of the big commieblocks they have built all over Canberra. (The fact you're literally underage and still live in your mum's house notwithstanding, FAGGOT).

> controlled by property developers

Apartment developers? Yes. However, Canberra has the lowest amount of greenfield development of any city in Australia at the moment. It's so incredibly restricted, that even a tiny lot of dirt in a new subdivision can set you back in excess of $500,000. I would totally abolish all of this and adopt the Texas model. Then you would really see sprawl, boy. Subdivison and greenfield development would be totally unregulated.

>ACT was designed by Griffin himself

Designed as the first city in the world to be almost solely detached bungalows. Why do you make shit up, retard? Griffin wasn't a density retard like you, he designed Canberra to be one of the lowest density capital cities in the world.

YOU RETARDED FLAMING CUNT, HAHA.

>>40644

Alright. Come down to Questacon tomorrow evening and we'll have a good old biffo.

>>40662

>Unregulated urban spawl? How in fuck are you going to pay for the infrastructure and amenities you fucking idiot?

Lol, you dumb motherfucker. You absolutely retarded sack of shit. The people buying the lots ALREADY pay for all the infrastructure. It costs about $50,000 in Australia to service a typical quarter-acre (no longer typical, sadly) lot with roads, power, and water.

It is much cheaper to build a new school in a greenfield area. The land is cheaper, and the school itself has no constraints as to the form it has to take. Upgrading a school in an infill area is extraordinarily expensive, as the NSW Department of Education is now finding out.

Houses in booming cities like Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth are incredibly cheap. Jobs also pay well in these cities, while average commute times are lower than in places like Sydney despite Houston and DFW having 6 million people each.

We cannot afford to continue unsustainable regulations on greenfield development, because it it driving up the prices of homes beyond acceptable limits, and straining young people and new families.

>>40663

Questacon? Perhaps. Send me your email and we can then exchange phone numbers and work it out that way.

>>40664

Holy shit you must work for a property developer with this level of marketing spin.

>and straining young people and new families.

Yeah, because urban sprawl totally helps young people and families but punting them off to the outskirts of cities with higher amenities costs and lack of cheap or public transport.

Again, urban sprawl is cancer

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/urban-sprawl-hits-productivity/story-fn59niix-1226529295210&memtype=anonymous

Even the Australian agrees.

Urban density is the future, dealwitit.

WORLD STAR HIP HOP

>>40665

For most of Australia's history, you could purchase a home of your own for about three times the median income. This has now, thanks to restrictive planning laws, swelled to over nine times the median income.

Truly, utopian planners who see apartments as more 'sustainable' have destroyed the Australian dream. You will get what's coming to you.

>Yeah, because urban sprawl totally helps young people and families

Absolutely. After WW2 for example, state governments land use policies were geared towards facilitating greenfield development, rather than restricting it. So that even with huge population increases from an unprecedented baby boom, and unprecedented immigration, the price of homes was controlled. The beautiful old suburbs of the 50s and 60s, with big blocks and tree-lined streets are a product of this era.

Now, I am no shill for developers. I support banning all high-rise monstrosities with no exceptions. But for the good of our country we need to totally abolish restrictions on greenfield development so we can get the price of homes under control again.

>>40665

Urban density is not the future, it is the past. The most dense cities in the world are in the third world. Mumbai, Delhi, Shanghai, Manila. If you want that, you must move there. Your sort will be executed one day.