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 No.38[Reply]

ITT: MRA related webm, youtube, mp4, etc

I'll kick of with this youtube, and as an aside I do recommend watching more of her content on youtube.

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 No.36[Reply]

General, any topic, for like minded anons to engage in. You anons set the topic and discuss. Note, it doesn't have to be MRA related ITT

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 No.141

>>140

outside of that, i don't know man




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 No.42[Reply]

I wanted to make a board to foster discussion for anons on 8ch who may want to join up with MRA related groups (such as a voice for men), but have not yet made the commitment to become an activist. It is to promote a healthy discussion about men's rights and current role in society.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/

Rules;

Really I just care about spam, Im not one to enforce groupthink onto people so

1.no spam

2.global is always at play

Reminder! This is a board created within Chan culture, and business conducted on here is always ironically serious. To take trolls too seriously is missing the point of chan culture, as it has historically always harbored trolls. This board is not to replace serious discussion being had in MRA/MRM forum based websites, but to promote discussion and awareness to fellow anons.

Q; why does 8chan need a board for MRA when reddit has one?

1. that is like saying that gamergate cannot exist here because reddit has a subreddit for it

2. this is an attempt to cast a wider net and expose more people to the concept being the MRA movement, and not all anons use plebbit as implied by the nickname it gives to the site and its users

Q; what about shills?

A: Ignore them. If they are being obvious then, seriously, just ignore them.

Q: What about false flagging and shills?

A: To say there shouldn't be a board because of potential shilling on an anonymous board is to suggest that >>>/pol/ >>>/leftypol/ >>>/polpol/ and other political boards shouldn't exist because shills. Shit can happen and will attempt to happen. This board is hyper focused on men's rights and has now (AND ALWAYS WILL BE) against hating women and directing any violence towards them. Anyone saying otherwise is either a shill, troll, or if they believe in what they are saying remember that is only a minority opinion being represented by an individual NOT the MRA movement.

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 No.41[Reply]

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 No.139

'Zach was arrested last winter after having sex with a girl he met on the dating app “Hot or Not,” who claimed she was 17. But she admitted to police that was a lie. She was really 14.

If he had known she was so young, Zach said, he never would have met her.

“I wouldn't even have gone to her house, like I literally wouldn't have gone to her house at all,” he said.

As a convicted sex offender, the terms of Zach’s probation are incredibly strict. For the next five years, he is forbidden from owning a smart phone or using the Internet. He is not allowed to talk to anyone under age 17, other than immediate family. He is banned from going to any establishment that serves alcohol and he has to be home before 8 p.m. every night.

“They make me out to be a monster,” Zach said. “I can't even look at life regularly.”

His parents say his punishment is cruel and unusual, and they are waging a very public fight, even setting up a Facebook page, hoping to rally support for their son.

Zach graduated high school just last year. Like many teens, he turned to his smart phone to find a date one night. He says he was on the dating app “Hot or Not” for about a week when he started talking to the 14-year-old.

“[She] was actually the first person I had met up with or anything from that,” Zach said. “I had asked her when we were messaging. I said, ‘How old are you?’ And then she had told me 17… I just got out of high school. So it's two years difference. I didn't think that was a big deal or anything.”'

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 No.40[Reply]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape

rape;

to seize, take, or carry off by force.

To convict an offender for rape, some form of sexual penetration, however slight, must occur. Each instance of penetration can serve as a count of rape, as well. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/rape.html#sthash.WMcCZgif.dpuf

Discussion on the law to be revised. Instead of it being defined as forced sexual penetration on a victim. It should be forced sexual penetrative sex. Period.

" In asking 40,000 households about rape and sexual violence, the survey uncovered that 38 percent of incidents were against men."

Also: ITT

Discussion on the delusion of "Rape Culture"

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 No.129

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http://protectequalsrespect.com/#!/pageHome

They've made an app to literally record your consent to having sex with another person. It records a 20 second clip where you name the person you want to sleep with and you have to clearly say "yes" or the recording deletes itself.

The answer to the terrible affirmative consent laws




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 No.39[Reply]

Is homelessness a men’s issue? Indeed it is. Men are the majority of the homeless.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-issues/is-homelessness-a-mens-issue/

"First, it is necessary to consider aspects of the male gender role that might make men more likely to be homeless: for instance, men’s greater likelihood of being veterans, or the tendency of men to not seek treatment for their mental illnesses and substance abuse. Looking at it without the gender lens risks missing important aspects of gender."

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 No.138

http://www.veteransinc.org/about-us/statistics/

Number of veterans in the U.S. as of 2014: approximately 22.5 million2

Increasing numbers of returning military personnel: according to the Mass. Dept. of Veterans’ Services, approximately 31,000 service members have returned to the Commonwealth since Sept. 11, 2001.

Between 529,000 and 840,000 veterans are homeless at some time during the year.2

On any given night, more than 300,000 veterans are living on the streets or in shelters in the U.S.

Approx. 33% of homeless males in the U.S. are veterans.2

Veterans are twice as likely as other Americans to become chronically homeless.2

Veterans represent 11% of the adult civilian population, but 26% of the homeless population, according to the Homeless Research Institute (2007).

Veterans are more at risk of becoming homeless than non-veterans

The number of homeless Vietnam-era veterans, male and female, is greater than the number of soldiers who died during the war.1

Primary causes of homelessness among veterans are:

Lack of income due to limited education and lack of transferable skills from military to civilian life (especially true of younger veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan)

Combat-related physical health issues and disabilities

Combat-related mental health issues and disabilities

Substance abuse problems that interfere with job retention

Weak social networks due to problems adjusting to civilian life




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 No.37[Reply]

http://cirp.org/pages/whycirc.html

"To obtain the best results one must cut away enough skin and mucous membrane to rather put it on the stretch when erections come later. There must be no play in the skin after the wound has thoroughly healed, but it must fit tightly over the penis, for should there be any play the patient will be found to readily resume his practice not begrudging the time and extra energy required to produce the orgasm… We may not be sure that we have done away with the possibility of masturbation, but we may feel confident that we have limited it to within the danger lines."

(E.J. Spratling, MD. Medical Record, Masturbation in the Adult, vol. 48, no. 13, September 28, 1895, pp. 442-443.)

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 No.35[Reply]

Paternity Laws: Overcoming Putative Father Presumption

Denying Fathers Rights To Visitation

Divorce and Custody

Unwed Fathers: Securing Your Parental Rights

Child Support When Paternity Is In Doubt

 No.71

http://elitedaily.com/life/culture/how-society-is-failing-fathers-photos/1069521/

'America leads the industrialized world in fatherlessness.

Right now, around 41 percent of children are born to single mothers.

For women under 30, who bear two-thirds of all children, that rate is 53 percent.

Many unmarried women are cohabiting with partners at the outset of their children’s births, but those couplings disintegrate at twice the rate of marriages.

In total, about one-third of all children are raised in father-absent homes.

By some estimates, this means more kids are growing up with televisions in their bedroom than with both of their biological parents.

Boys are especially affected by this trend. Without positive and consistent male role models, society misses out on much of their constructive potential.'




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 No.34[Reply]

Topics to consider;

(NOT LIMITED TO OBVIOUSLY)

Our American Justice System: Equal and Fair?

Domestic Violence Shelters

False Allegations Of Domestic Violence

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 No.59

http://www.batteredmen.com/bathelpnatl.htm

To see where men can receive help with regards to this issue is disgusting. It doesn't include all states and often doesn't include shelters and a lot isn't even through state many are church based. Or off chutes of womens help lines that will also help men. Ridiculous that they have to use wording like "heard of to help men" "its known they've helped some men".




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 No.151[Reply]

Just posted a rant about how a Return of Kings author is badmouthing Polanski http://8ch.net/cos/res/15.html

It occurs to me that AVFM has done the same shit though.

From Philip W. Cook 14 February 2014 per http://www.avoiceformen.com/misandry/the-art-of-differentiation-woody-allen-bill-clinton-richard-nixon-roman-polanski-others/

>Movie director Roman Polanski, who directed the Jack Nicholson classic film Chinatown, was arrested in 1977 for the statutory rape of 13-year-old girl and plead guilty. To avoid sentencing he fled the U.S.

This is misleading. Polanski did not plead guilty to the charges pressed against him. Instead, he accepted a plea bargain for a lesser charge. It was not a statutory rape charge, it was the lesser crime 'unlawful sex with a minor'.

He did not flea to avoid sentencing: he served the sentence he agreed to his in plea bargain, which was a period of detainment up to 90 days to receive psychiatric counseling.

The psychiatrist ended it early when they determined Polanski was not a pedophile or a threat to society. Polanski then believed he had served the sentence he agreed to.

The judge however, was then trying to change the sentence to make it longer, even after communicating to Polanski that he had served the entire sentence. People involved in the backroom discussion have testified to this.

Polanski only fled to escape injustice and unwarranted additional sentencing, which the judge said he wouldn't give.

This BS is not new for AVFM:

3 August 2010 by B.R. Merrick per Free Roman Polanski - A Voice for Men

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 No.149[Reply]

Some comic artist threw together 32 types of strawmen anti-feminists. What I find is typical for these kinds of art pieces (which get quite a bit of circulation) is they 1) give no actual examples of these stereotypes and 2) many of the stereotypes can be more readily noticed of self described feminists. This looks like too big a challenge to dismantle for one autist MRA like me so perhaps we can crowdsource this bitch. Weaponised autism for the win. Respondents could cut out a piece of the comic they want to tackle and I propose with each counter example we name the feminist who does this and provide an image for our artistic types to cartoonify this way it will be an original art piece that will make it harder for them to make a bogus copyright claim and also. This will also be a way for artists in our group to show their talents off with individual cartoons of these feminist counter examples. Someone can be anonymous to hide their power level, use a pseudonym or use their name if they feel so bold.

 No.150

What I have so far.

Titled "Child at Heart":

Show Sarah Butts and her confession that her 8 year old cousin gave her an erection. Surrounding panels could have several feminists who have shown their open support of Butts even in spite of her being outed in the Breitbart article. http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/11/leading-gamergate-critic-sarah-nyberg-claimed-to-be-a-pedophile-apologised-for-white-nationalism/

One of the feminists could be the father (titled: Protective Parent) who offered a pic of his young daughter to "cheer her up".

Perhaps show some of the self identified feminists like CH Summers (titled: Based Mom) defying the myth of Patriarchy Theory or the Wage Gap and how they are treated by other feminists. Bonus points show male feminists showing their misogynistic nature in their hostility to these women who have personal integrity.




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 No.63[Reply]

http://www.avoiceformen.com/featured/feminist-matt-haig-gets-crucified-on-twitter-by-feminists/

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4:35 "the book about masculinity is the one I am drawn to"

skip to 4:50

"Matt Haig should stop talking about feminism"

"stop talking"

then skip to 5:05

"I don't enjoy controversy.. and am now scared of writing the book"

guy is poster child Okay Guy

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 No.131

jesus fuck that guy is sad


 No.132

this is a great injustice, we must re-encourage this man


 No.133

>>132

what would you suggest?


 No.147

so fucking sad


 No.148

>>84

dear god, i hope not




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 No.136[Reply]

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 No.137

and why does marriam webster define feminism as

organized activity in support of women's rights and interests


 No.146

I am glad to see detractors of the feminist ideology whenever they are found




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 No.101[Reply]

There are undoubtedly some people in the MRA community that have a channel but perhaps are stuggling for an interesting angle that would draw in non-MRAs. What about some humor while destroying common stereotypes of MRAs?

We have all seen the negative stereotypes of MRAs claimed several times. The stereotype is a:

"cis gendered" (ie not a trans)

white male

usually has some unattractive traits (like obesity, a shrill voice, or unkempt facial hair)

Unemployed

Living in mother's basement.

and is angry/rude at women

also having no (or appearing not to have) sexual relationships with women.

I have often seen it observed in comments of various MRA videos (usually featuring male feminists)

that viewers notice that the male feminists seem to fit that stereotype more so than genuine MRAs.

What if MRA content producers like Drrandomercam and Bane666 made a video series where they showcased

that the people who most accurately resemble the stereotype of MRAs are not MRAs but male feminists?

I have contacted both bane666 and DrRandomercam about this but not sure if they got the message.

It could be they missed the message or already swamped with projects of thier own.

Perhaps more people can share this with them and other MRA content producers who are looking for something that can be very comedic and informative as well.

A good example of this is Angry Aussie (he is the bloke in the pic attached to this post). Entertaining vid related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3pERmJzso.

Other candidates who resemble stereotypical MRAs in looks and/or behavior are folks like Onisian (sp),

Matt Binder "Mr 70's Haircut", Cenk (from TYT), and Bob Chipman (moviebiob).

Anyone want to do a video featuring one of these with examples of how they resemble the negative stereotypes of MRAs?

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Here is another confrontation by male feminists against anti-feminist Lauren Southern.

Canadian Libertarian Party leadership has decided that popular candidate Lauren Southern (popular with general public as well as in their Party) is to be removed from their candidate list for wrong-think.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/02/canadian-libertarians-in-revolt-after-party-leadership-suspends-anti-feminist-candidate-lauren-southern/

Her "crime" is she is skeptical of dogmas like "rape culture" and considers herself and anti-feminist. She is also Twitter friends with folks like Karen Straughan (sp). (The Horrors!). She had made a popular Youtube video where she confronted feminists about their dogma and filmed their reactions. This is one of the reasons she is so popular. It is also one of the reasons she was kicked out of the Canadian LP. The image is a screen cap of a current member of LP who was offended by her anti-feminist stance (even though feminism goes hand in hand with an interventionist government that libertarians are supposed to oppose). Burnison (man in screencap conversation) claims to be "objective" and then admits total ignorance of the term SJW. As if he can't do a simple search on the internet and get an idea of what it is used to describe. This type of willful ignorance is annoying to me (and that comes from a person who considers themselves libertarian). There are no exceptions to willful ignorance. No exceptions whichever label the person has who has that trait.


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>male feminist dissing a feminist who is pro gamergate and anti-patriarchy theory calling her "not a true feminist".

They are right though, and this is also important in trying to reduce numbers in feminism. See, a lot of people are egalitarian or womens rights activists and they just join up with feminism because it is popular and claims to be about what they are about.

To be a feminist you must conform to their ideology of patriarchy theory thats fostered over like 50 years. So a way to convert "feminist" that are only calling themselves that for the sake of having a label on wanting to be an activist in equality is also needed.

The irony is the woman in this case is Christina Hoff Summers, who has a Youtube series called The Factual Feminist. I suspect what you mentioned about well meaning activists being lied to about feminism = gender equality for more than a few decades is spot on. CH Summers was a woman's rights activist before her feminist detractors were even born and acquired the label's image probably in a time when the popular concept had not yet been ruined (by those doing even basic research) into the openly anti-male Chanty Binks infamy. Sommers apparently was not bitten by the Patriarchy theory bug when it came out. I suspect because she expanded her involvement in the world beyond "gender studies" and therefore this all pretty much surprised her to see, decades later, a group of bigots calling themselves feminists, a label that she (mistakenly) sees as being about genuine equality. John Macintosh (see the twitter conversation) would make a good MRA or SJW candidate since he is white, presumable straight, born into a well off American family, and styles himself as a pseudo-intellectual who dismisses the arguments of women and minorities (if they happen to be anti-feminist).


 No.122

>>116

The unfortunate thing about willful ignorance these days is that it isn't just people being lazy. That is way too reductionist to think on those terms. The biggest things playing a role in how people think these days is 1. education and 2. propaganda

Both are essentially brainwashing people into being non-thinkers. Everything is emotion based. Schools, under the guise of a "better" non-offensive environment, prey upon happy feels. There is no more competition, it makes people feel bad, but it reduces any sense of challenge (this effects men/boys the most because, by nature, are competitive - no wonder boys are starting to test waaay low these days). Propaganda in media also deals with emotion, but it is a tendency towards fear/anxiety in order to change our minds, get up to approve something/someone, or disapprove of something.

Creating this environment where people are catering to emotion first is making people not think, at all. Emotion doesn't happen in the front of the brain where higher reasoning would take place it happens in the older parts towards the back of the brain. Primal instinct with no independent thought.


 No.123

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>>122

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf

I also added a vidya of Charlotte Iserbyt in the vidya thread, also. She details a lot of the education system. She speaks about it in terms of american education, but canada and other countries have adopted the methods as well.

To prove my point on propaganda being everywhere i recommend studying Edward Bernay. He founded public relations (added vidya to show why he calls it public relations rather then propaganda)


 No.135

>>122

"The unfortunate thing about willful ignorance these days is that it isn't just people being lazy. That is way too reductionist to think on those terms. The biggest things playing a role in how people think these days is 1. education and 2. propaganda

Both are essentially brainwashing people into being non-thinkers. Everything is emotion based. Schools, under the guise of a "better" non-offensive environment, prey upon happy feels. There is no more competition, it makes people feel bad, but it reduces any sense of challenge (this effects men/boys the most because, by nature, are competitive - no wonder boys are starting to test waaay low these days). Propaganda in media also deals with emotion, but it is a tendency towards fear/anxiety in order to change our minds, get up to approve something/someone, or disapprove of something.

Creating this environment where people are catering to emotion first is making people not think, at all. Emotion doesn't happen in the front of the brain where higher reasoning would take place it happens in the older parts towards the back of the brain. Primal instinct with no independent thought."

I could have expressed myself better when I was venting about the guy in an earlier post. He was unwilling to inform himself of the SJW issue even though it was causing a split in his party, yet called himself “objective”. I still think it is something to call out when I see it. But it is important not to regard it purely as laziness. It is more like learned helplessness.

I was home-schooled for most of high school and then took a one day test to acquire a high school diploma so I could go onto college. I got my diploma and went to college and saw something that made little sense to me at the time but the more I learn about how schooling works and it's stated objectives (by the school founders but no longer admitted by the public school administrators of today) the more it makes sense.

I observed a pattern with many fellow college students. Many people who went from public school to college were often unwilling to engage the teacher in conversation in several classes. Even though the tePost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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