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 No.5511307

Ethicists approve ‘3 parent’ embryos to stop diseases, but congressional ban remains

An elite panel of scientists and bioethicists offered guarded approval Wednesday of a novel form of genetic engineering that could prevent congenital diseases but would result in babies with genetic material from three parents.

The committee, which was convened last year at the request of the Food and Drug Administration, concluded that it is ethically permissible to “go forward, but with caution” with mitochondrial replacement techniques (MRT), said the chairman, Jeffrey Kahn, a bioethicist at Johns Hopkins ­University.

But the advisory panel’s conclusions have slammed into a congressional ban: The omnibus fiscal 2016 budget bill passed by Congress late last year contained language prohibiting the government from using any funds to handle applications for experiments that genetically alter human embryos.

Thus the green light from the scientists and ethicists won't translate anytime soon into clinical applications that could potentially help families that want healthy babies, said Shoukhrat Mitalipov, a pioneer of the new technique at Oregon Health & Science University in Portland, Ore.

“It seems like the FDA is disabled in this case by Congress," Mitalipov said. “At this point we’re still not clear how to proceed."

The FDA released a statement Wednesday saying it will carefully review the report from the advisory committee, but added that the congressional ban prohibits the agency from reviewing applications "in which a human embryo is intentionally created or modified to include a heritable genetic modification. As such, human subject research utilizing genetic modification of embryos for the prevention of transmission of mitochondrial disease cannot be performed in the United States in FY 2016."

MRT should be used rarely, with extreme care and with abundant government oversight, and it initially should be applied only to male embryos, the advisory panel said.

The report comes at a time of dazzling advances in genetic engineering and a commensurate struggle to understand the ethics of “playing God,” a phrase uttered twice Wednesday by committee member R. Alta Charo, a professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin.

Two months ago, scientists from around the globe gathered in the same building to hash out guidelines for the use of another revolutionary technique, known as CRISPR, which can be used to efficiently edit nuclear DNA genes. Earlier this week,

British officials approved publicly funded research that will use CRISPR to study the development of early-stage human embryos, but the embryos will not be implanted in women.

The FDA last year asked the Institute of Medicine, now part of the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine, to review the ethical implications of MRT because it would result in what has been loosely referred to as “three-parent babies.” British officials have already approved investigatory experiments involving the technique.

[One year ago, the UK voted yes on 'three-parent' babies]

Nuclear DNA is by far the more significant form of genetic material for determining most human characteristics. As the committee put it, “While mtDNA plays a central role in genetic ancestry, traits that are carried in nDNA are those that in the public understanding constitute the core of genetic relatedness in terms of physical and behavioral characteristics as well as most forms of disease.”

As a result, modifying mtDNA “is meaningfully different.”

But panel members said that they took the philosophical issues seriously, noting that someone with genetic material from two different maternal bloodlines would potentially have to wrestle with questions about identity, kinship and ancestry.

They also countenanced the possibility that people would want to use this new technique to create babies that are enhanced in some way intellectually or physically. They said that is not a major concern at the moment because the feasibility of such enhancements remains speculative.

RACE DOES NOT EXIST

" But ancestry based on genes does "'''

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 No.5511317

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 No.5511318

nice read


 No.5511441

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 No.5511452

10 replies fucking page 5 kike rules


 No.5511648

good read


 No.5512012

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>>5511307

>‘3 parent’ embryos to stop diseases

This cuckold meme is going too far


 No.5512314

>>5512012

its 2 females right now ……. so far


 No.5512325

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 No.5512506

>>5512325

archive.is pls


 No.5515683

sweet


 No.5515733

yeah because 1992 was a banner year for human genome research

fucking retards

i dont care if a billion aborted fetuses have to be sacrificed, the knowledge we gain from a ball of snot is far more valuable than just throwing it away


 No.5515772

>>5515733

you sound like you hate humans though


 No.5515783

>>5515772

thats weird

i dont hate humans

i just know that i could actually fucking walk right now if people stopped ascribing life to a ball of snot that was aborted by infomred decision by the mother

talk to your senator about stem cells.


 No.5515799

>>5515733

You are a disgusting human bean, but you are right.

>mantis shrimp mitochondria

>chloroplasts just in case


 No.5515864

>>5515783

>beg your senator to fix things

please stop being weak


 No.5515869

>>5515864

yeah cause you can fix it all by yourself


 No.5515901

>>5515869

no but i dont think a paper pusher will


 No.5515915

>>5515864

They sure did bail out the banks, authorise mass spying, and flood us with shitskins even though the overwhelming majority said no. Surely they'll help us out with this!


 No.5515975

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>>5515915

yeah

have faith in the voting process :^)


 No.5516046

>>5515975

So basically the red ball symbolises a vegan faggot who thinks we shouldn't pollute any lakes and he wants to use violence to stop people making batteries.

He also wants other people to pay for him to use the road.

What a fucking faggot


 No.5516062


 No.5516094

>>5515783

>>5515733

You seem to be very medically ignorant. Why is it you think stem cells are only sourced from embryos?


 No.5516100

>>5515975

You pay for the roads you use. Tax money is what paves them, and various state governments have toll roads anyways.

Are you schizophrenic or something?


 No.5516111

>>5516094

why do you suppose that stem cells from other sources exist today?


 No.5516113

>>5516046

indeed the worker is disobedient we must punish him!


 No.5516123

>>5516113

I didn't say we should punish him I just inferred from various subtle hints that he is a faggot


 No.5516124

>>5516111

Because they are an integral part of the human body and we would die without them.

Are you completely fucking retarded? Are you actually unaware that there are stem cells in your body?


 No.5516134

>>5516124

you seem to be unaware that the research and discovery part was due to ethical implication of using aborted fetuses.


 No.5516145

>>5512506

>archive.is pls

No.


 No.5516160

>>5516134

You seem to be making shit up in a sad attempt to backpedal.


 No.5516167

>>5516160

wtf are you even talking about, im not pedaling backward im not going anywhere, you're the one who got all self-righteous and holier than thou


 No.5516175

>>5516167

>>5516160

Shut the fuck up, your argument is unimportant, it means absolutely nothing.


 No.5516182

You seem to be very medically ignorant.

Are you completely fucking retarded?

>>5516175

get fucked retard, wikipedia needs another contributor


 No.5516380

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 No.5516407

>>5516380

>government suppression of technologies

dude… it isnt the gov that suppresses anything, its the people

we would have had high speed transcontinental rail 30 years ago if it were JUST the government at fault. its the people. the short sighted, stupid masses


 No.5516422

>>5516407

>commoncore detected

No, if the masses of any country try to kill the petrodollar that country will be destroyed by Usa and Russia at the same time.


 No.5516445

>>5516422

but we ARE the usa

and we're not all that smart


 No.5516582

>>5516445

Because you have a direct democrazy and none of your politicians is funded by anybody, sure.


 No.5516629

Does it even matter? Fully genetically engineered humans are going to happen eventually regardless of governmental or public interference, and even in nature gene transfer occurs much more often than the average layman thinks. Hell, mtDNA itself probably originated from bacteria a really fucking long time ago.


 No.5516650

>>5516629

>gene transfer occurs much more often than the average layman thinks

Explain, pls. Are you talking about insertion in human DNA? In what situations?


 No.5516668

>>5516629

That thing about bacterias being fucked by eukariotes sound legit, but sht never happens.

What will happen if we put the entire core in another specie? like using a human core in a fish cell?


 No.5516682

>>5516650

>insertion

yeah baby, explain the fuck out of that


 No.5516695

>>5516682

It's splicing a small strand of DNA into a full DNA strand. Or RNA, or other nucleic acid configurations.


 No.5516706

>>5516668

Cell membranes are basically fats. Receptors and other shit will vary by species.


 No.5516707

>>5516695

thats not gene transfer that is actual dna anomaly


 No.5516715

>>5516707

Anomaly? You mean like herpes viruses splicing their code into yours?


 No.5516719

>>5516650

Horizontal gene transfer can be facilitated through viral infections and proviruses, there's also the issue of transposons. Neither are exactly uncommon.

>>5516668

>That thing about bacterias being fucked by eukariotes sound legit, but sht never happens.

Eukaryotes already have well adapted membrane-bound organelles used for efficient energy processing. Originally, though an unlikely occurrence by itself, it would have provided enough of a boost to the fitness of the cell line that did have it that that cell line became the common ancestor to all eukaryotic organisms.

>What will happen if we put the entire core in another specie? like using a human core in a fish cell?

The answer would depend greatly upon the stage at which the switch is performed, as well as the conditions surrounding the cell. More likely than not, it would just die.


 No.5516721

>>5516706

I know about the double (checkem) phospholipid membrane and stuff like proteins in that (because atp cant do things alone), i was waiting for something more elaborate, like commies did this and shit happens or something like that


 No.5516736

>>5516719

>Horizontal gene transfer can be facilitated through viral infections and proviruses, there's also the issue of transposons. Neither are exactly uncommon.

Just check how waterbears work, they use bacteria dna without giving a fuck.

>Eukaryotes already have well adapted membrane-bound organelles used for efficient energy processing. Originally, though an unlikely occurrence by itself, it would have provided enough of a boost to the fitness of the cell line that did have it that that cell line became the common ancestor to all eukaryotic organisms.

I know that history, but try replicating it and it doesnt explain the genesis of the mitochondria, its like.

>how are babies made

>we paid 500 euros for you to that gipsy

>The answer would depend greatly upon the stage at which the switch is performed, as well as the conditions surrounding the cell. More likely than not, it would just die.

At least something, but what if the species are… compatible, like using gorilla cells?


 No.5516739

>>5516719

>Horizontal gene transfer can be facilitated through viral infections and proviruses, there's also the issue of transposons. Neither are exactly uncommon.

I'm familiar. What does this have to do with humans built from scratch?, is my question. I dunno why you mentioned that.

We have created artificial cells, AFAIK the only problem left is making them reproduce.


 No.5516749

>>5516739

>We have created artificial cells, AFAIK the only problem left is making them reproduce.

>We have created artificial cars, AFAIK the only problem left is making them run.


 No.5516765

>>5516736

Humans and niggers make babies. So do wolves and dogs, lions and tigers, horses and zebras. Interspecies is possible.

A general rule is that breeding within a genus is possible, though much less successful than breeding within your own species. That's why niggers and whites have such a hard time conceiving. Shit's too different. Also, they can't accept eachother's organ transplants. Supposedly modern niggers were created by breeding with an older hominid genus but I lost the link.

Now, for animals that are different genuses and even have dif number of chromosomes, breeding involves much more luck. Most all have issues with sterility if they are viable and not a vegetable monster.


 No.5516766

>>5516736

>At least something, but what if the species are… compatible, like using gorilla cells?

It might be possible, more likely than not if you're talking about inserting a human zygote into a closely related species' womb, if you could prevent an immune response. Not 100% sure how you'd go about doing that, though.

>>5516739

>I'm familiar. What does this have to do with humans built from scratch?, is my question. I dunno why you mentioned that.

I mentioned it because it's an example of naturally-occurring DNA manipulation which can introduce another organism's DNA into offspring. If it's not unheard of already in nature in actual nDNA, I don't know why people are getting so pissy about scientists doing something comparable with mtDNA.

>We have created artificial cells, AFAIK the only problem left is making them reproduce.

You don't need to make artificial cells to create an essentially synthetic organism, just a lot of gene splicing and what will likely amount to a couple decades of experimentation.


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>>5516765

If they can conceive and have fertile offspring

They are the same species


 No.5516803

>>5516766

I see. We can manipulate nucleotides. One method of gene therapy is modifying a herpes virus' DNA, which injects it into many human cells' DNA. Not too effective because it's foreign and triggers immune response, but it has been used successfully.

By fully synthetic I would say something built from basic chemicals. A heavily modified natural organism is just that. We use GMOs all the time, not just in food but stuff like bacteria used to clean up chemical spills.

It's awesome shit and I'm excited about what we'll see in the future.


 No.5516804

>>5516777

Phylogeny becomes increasingly arbitrary as clades become smaller.


 No.5516814

>>5516777

You have no fucking idea how many variables go into defining a species. Fuck off until you've studied higher biology in uni.


 No.5516848

>>5516814

S-sorry


 No.5517119

>>5516062

Is this a thing? Xkcd guy claims to have a bot thats posts woosh.


 No.5517149

>>5517119

It means it went over the person's head


 No.5517621

>>5516719

>>5516668

>What will happen if we put the entire core in another specie? like using a human core in a fish cell?

Kind of like what will happen if you put a coding textbook in chinese into a room full of illiterate hispanics, not much.

The nuclear DNA does not just assert itself and send out psychic magic to reproduce - it requires RNAs and proteins that can translate its code into protein and RNA machines. In other words cells reproduce cells with the aide of cell products and a cell without cell products cannot reproduce a cell because it needs some cell products to create all other cell products…


 No.5519176

bump


 No.5519649

>>5516765

>>5516766

I was talking about using the core in "foreign" cells, basically something like cloning (i am talking about the procedure).

>>5516803

Futas are already possible, but they are banned.

>>5516804

Desire of knowing more intensifies.

>>5517621

If your point is correct then the jump to prokariotas to eukariotas is impossible and never happened.

>>5519176

Remember kids, bump in all spaces.


 No.5519692

>>5519649

>If your point is correct then the jump to prokariotas to eukariotas is impossible and never happened.

My point is you need compatibility. Cells developing more advanced over time occurs tiny step by tiny step.


 No.5519697

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>>5519649

Genetically engineered catgirls when?

Granted the govt will probably delay thier release through legal action. So…

Illegal inderground genetic research on catgirls when?


 No.5519706

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>>5519697

soon comrade

we will make them active socialists too


 No.5519767

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>>5519706

I really think that a proper citizen owned transparent organization will never even be able to break the surface on such controversial research.

No the only way we are going to end up with catgirls is from the basment of some shady capitalist organization with billions of dollars of profits to just dump into R&D.

And trump will attract those capitalist organizations to america.


 No.5519777

>>5519649

>I was talking about using the core in "foreign" cells, basically something like cloning (i am talking about the procedure).

You'd still run into a lot of problems unless you controlled the environment around the cell to replicate natural development. It would be basically exactly like what cloning capabilities we have now, but with the additional requirement of an artificial womb.

>Desire of knowing more intensifies

Basically Linnaean models of species were the tradition upon which phylogenies were created, which is a bit ironic considering they can be considered to be evolutionary trees. Unfortunately, this results in a few problems with regards to speciation. Traditionally, the separation of species was thought to be the result of a population somehow splitting, usually in terms of geography, adapting, and then no longer inter-breeding when the populations come into contact once again. Now most scientist consider a species to be essentially a population of inter-breeding organisms which experiences gene flow independent of other populations. This is rather difficult to determine. In reality, most species are and were traditionally characterized by phenotype as "morphospecies", which can be troublesome due to variance within a population. The fundamental problem of taxonomy and evolutionary biology is that at a certain point distinctions between phenotypic differences are essentially irrelevant when it comes to the gene pool; if you go down the road of subspecies, races and variants (mostly useful for agriculturalists), you might as well just identify every individual organism in its own category.


 No.5520474

>>5519692

I know, you must try untill something happens, its like i am talking about something forbidden, but my kitchen is filled with those abominations.

>>5519697

>>5519706

>>5519767

Female to male surgeries are possible, just do the pennis and keep everything else in her place. "Pennis envy" solved, now go back to the kitchen and later we are gonna make babies.

>>5519777

First, obligatory check.

>You'd still run into a lot of problems unless you controlled the environment around the cell to replicate natural development. It would be basically exactly like what cloning capabilities we have now, but with the additional requirement of an artificial womb.

Trans(genics) are real, so the test are already done, serious question, is that info banned?

>Basically Linnaean models of species were the tradition upon which phylogenies were created, which is a bit ironic considering they can be considered to be evolutionary trees. Unfortunately, this results in a few problems with regards to speciation. Traditionally, the separation of species was thought to be the result of a population somehow splitting, usually in terms of geography, adapting, and then no longer inter-breeding when the populations come into contact once again. Now most scientist consider a species to be essentially a population of inter-breeding organisms which experiences gene flow independent of other populations. This is rather difficult to determine. In reality, most species are and were traditionally characterized by phenotype as "morphospecies", which can be troublesome due to variance within a population. The fundamental problem of taxonomy and evolutionary biology is that at a certain point distinctions between phenotypic differences are essentially irrelevant when it comes to the gene pool; if you go down the road of subspecies, races and variants (mostly useful for agriculturalists), you might as well just identify every individual organism in its own category.

So its basically "pol was right again" or neanderthals are humans like us, but more autistic, rite?


 No.5520536

>>5520474

>Trans(genics) are real, so the test are already done, serious question, is that info banned?

Transgenics, to the extent of my knowledge, are only products of CRISPR. To be honest, I've only done CRISPR with asexual prokaryotes, so I'm not 100% positive, but I'd imagine in more complex species you'd just use a zygote and then implant it into the womb of an organism of the same species and let it develop.

>>5520474

>So its basically "pol was right again" or neanderthals are humans like us, but more autistic, rite?

No, it's more that the human tendency to characterize things by type fails to precisely describe what actually occurs in nature, though any real model that would would probably be fairly useless in comparison anyways. I think the vast majority of people would agree that precision is less preferable than utility, but it can lead to problems with neo-nazi and neo-marxist Lysenkoism.


 No.5520568

>>5520536

>No, it's more that the human tendency to characterize things by type fails to precisely describe what actually occurs in nature, though any real model that would would probably be fairly useless in comparison anyways. I think the vast majority of people would agree that precision is less preferable than utility, but it can lead to problems with neo-nazi and neo-marxist Lysenkoism.

Actually it was my point represented with a bad joke, english isnt my native language, ad hominems are welcomed, just the thing about the rhesus protein is doing enough damage.

>Transgenics, to the extent of my knowledge, are only products of CRISPR. To be honest, I've only done CRISPR with asexual prokaryotes, so I'm not 100% positive, but I'd imagine in more complex species you'd just use a zygote and then implant it into the womb of an organism of the same species and let it develop.

And that change create another strain of arn, that means that organelles suffer changes, obviusly not (maybe) at the point of changing mitochondrial dna (at least in the short term) but changes are possible, like proteing being changed in the membrane, or even ribosomes, this is the point i am using for my questions.

BTW, thanks and sorry for troubling you with my shitty engrish.


 No.5520612

nice read


 No.5520620

>>5520568

>proteing

>g

Fucking freud.


 No.5520637

>>5520568

>>5520568

>BTW, thanks and sorry for troubling you with my shitty engrish.

It's no problem, really, I apologize for not understanding your second point.

>>5520568

>And that change create another strain of arn, that means that organelles suffer changes, obviusly not (maybe) at the point of changing mitochondrial dna (at least in the short term) but changes are possible, like proteing being changed in the membrane, or even ribosomes, this is the point i am using for my questions.

Mitochondria are naturally present in ova. I'm not terribly familiar with the procedure by which mitochondria from a third person is implanted, but my guess is that they take the ovum of the third person and replace the nucleus with the nucleus of the mother's ovum, then fertilize it with the father's sperm, resulting in a zygote with nDNA from the two parents and separate mtDNA entirely. As for membrane proteins, so long as the cell isn't recognized as an antigen, it should be fine. Ribosomes are produced from translated nDNA, though I suppose the ribosomes from the mtDNA donor would be present for a relatively short time after the nucleus swap.


 No.5520846

>>5520637

Nice, so tribadism will be called sex in the future or something like that if they are using cum as lube.

Ok, what if we add some organelle that isnt recognized as an antigen, like a chloroplast, and now, what if we add more mitochondrias.

To the first point again, what if the new organells block some gene expression, what if stimulate something new? like "trash" or something like that.


 No.5520908

>>5520846

>Ok, what if we add some organelle that isnt recognized as an antigen, like a chloroplast, and now, what if we add more mitochondrias.

They've both been developing for long enough that I kind of doubt the approach of just cramming them into non-native cells would work. CRISPR is a rather elegant procedure because DNA manipulation is generally much simpler and less invasive than inserting physical organelles or proteins. I'm pretty sure the insertion of an animal nucleus into anything with chloroplasts would lead to instantaneous cell death.

>To the first point again, what if the new organells block some gene expression, what if stimulate something new? like "trash" or something like that

Gene expression is usually regulated by extra-cellular signals passed through the ECM, receptors on the membrane, or inside the cytoplasm in the case of hormones (this is largely why it would be extremely difficult to implant a zygote of one species into the womb of another). Most of what used to be considered non-coding DNA is probably involved in gene regulation itself through alternative splicing, methylation, chromatin folding and other indirect methods of gene regulation.


 No.5521315

>>5520846

You're quite right friend, with advanced genetic engineering we will be able to not only combine varoous life that exists but also make things that would never evolve naturally.


 No.5528317

genes


 No.5535210

abbos are so pure


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 No.5537697

so if there r 3 parents, i.e an offspring is made out of 3 sets of genes, who has legal claims? Can the child inherit after the 3rd gene donor in straight line? What will the dna testing for relation show?


 No.5538203

>>5537697

Nothing of the sort is being done yet (in public eyes) just mitochondrial genes. And it is in the lab type of stuff. Usually the parents will be the ones donating most of the genes. Anything more is usually legally disallowed so that takes away 3 parent ambiguity.


 No.5542365

this is 2016


 No.5544823

>having more than 1 clone parent


 No.5547378

nice




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