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Why isn't communism taken seriously?



Because it's bound to fail


because commies are gay, and gays are fucking retarded.


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>why isn't this project taken seriously?

Because it works only on paper.


because of systematic repression and stigmatization by the powers that be and the capitalistic aligarchy media apparatus


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>not taken seriously

what was the cold war?


>bound to fail

what is China?



>what was the cold war?

USSR collapsed and America is still going

>what is China?

it's literally a capitalist country dude, is probably fascism now



You're right. China is capitalism, but comrade Xi said in 2050 Chian will be fully developped to shift for socialism. If you had any grasp of marxism other than memes, you woudl realize that Chian is following Marx teachings brilliantly.



retarded predictions with no weight to it whatsoever



>what was the cold war

A period where commies waved around nuclear weapons for forty years before their societies collapsed under their own weight without even requiring an external invasion.

>what is China

A country brought to the brink of societal collapse due to the Chinese Revolution, followed by the introduction of collectivized farming, followed by the great leap forward, followed by the cultural revolution, followed by a massive power struggle as Mao lost control of the government. Then Deng took over and introduced a bastardized form of state intervention and opened the country to foreign investors, who rushed in after Japan and the Asian Tigers faltered and started buying up factories to produce cheap consumer goods. Then the West stopped buying as much consumer shit after 2008 happened, so the Chinese government started building massive ghost cities to prop up growth. This resulted in the current Chinese economy, which is the most unbalanced towards wasted investment in the world and is currently faltering in the same way that Japan's did in 1990, with the exception that at least Japan didn't build entire empty cities.



it is taken incredibly seriously - accepted as fact, even, among bureaucrats, university employees, and wide swaths of internet loudmouth NEETs (the ones that aren't /pol/tards). you should be worried about that, even if you see benefit in some form of collectivisation



Implying China hasn't accepted Capitalism in their lives.


Communism, not even once

>>>/leftypol/ will answer your questions commie faggot.



China got its shit together when it stopped being commie. The white cat/black cat policy effectively made them more liberal than most countries in Europe.

Speaking of China, learn about that time they killed all the birds or that other time when they forced peasants to melt their farming tools.


Marx teaching: Open your country to capitalist investments. Make all the tribes in your country except 2 live as second class citizen, make them work 16 hours a day for food and make them live in a cage. This way, more capitalist capital is going to flow in your country. When you have enough, build fake islands to get claim on oil in the high sea and send troops in Africa to protect the investments you made in the mining sector to cover the need of your growing industry.



>comrade Xi said in 2050 Chian will be fully developped to shift for socialism

<This is Radio Yerevan. A caller asks: what is the difference between Western fairy tales and Soviet fairy tales?

<We answer: In the West, fairy tales begin with "once upon a time." In the Soviet Union, they begin with "it will be soon."




I will do this one more time, but it's the last time, because i'm fucking tired of making this post.

Communism isn't like going to the McDonald's and ask for a meal. It takes time, decades, generation, maybe even centuries.

According to Marx, history goes from Hunter/gateherer societies to Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism to Communism. Communism is the last stage. a statless, moneyless, classeless society.

China in 1949 was a feudal backwater when Mao came to power. He started industrialization and removed the useless faggotry from society, because no society can thrive or reach communism if the useless faggotry isn't removed. Then came comrade Deng who initiated the capitalist reforms and continued industrialization. Capitalism generates develomente and a lot of infrastructure and no society can ever aim for socialism without having capitalism first. Got that?



In simplest terms, leftyporker:

Communism is supposed to work along these lines:

From each according to their ability,

For each according to their needs.

Even discounting the unavoidably flawed metrics used to measure these abilities and needs, if you divide the populace into four groups:

Ability → │ │
Needs │ Low │ High
↓ │ │
│ Low Ability │ High Ability
Low │ │
│ Low Needs │ Low Needs
│ Low Ability │ High Ability
High │ │
│ High Needs │ High Needs

Your retarded system supports those people with needs (actually wants) higher than their abilities and penalizes those people with their needs lower than their abilities. And if you sponsor something, you get more of it over time. That means the parasites/creative people ratio would grow, and grow, until the system collapses under their weight.



The table got borked, but I won't fix it anyway.


because each communist has their own special snowflake definition of it, and a good half of them admit it is actually impossible in the world today because they are utopians



and every time socialism has been implemented the country will always inevitably collapses

causes a few millions of people to starve to death or a target genocide by the socialist government



Do you know what happens if you try to make socialism democratically and believing in human rights bullshit? That society will end up like Venezuela.

They didn't removed the useless faggotry from society, they still wanted to be a a part of the so called global market. As a small nation that is simply impossible. Now they are paying the price.

China can still be a part of the global market because it's huge and it has a big army to defend itself.


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Because it's utterly pointless even if it theoretically functions in some basic way. Think about it. What does worker ownership really mean if every single state that proclaimed it as part of the ideology devolved into hierarchical dictatorship? What this means is that communists really have no argument against social democrats who would just call for regulated capitalism with a welfare state. They can't argue that this society is run by bosses, because so is communism. Arguing "muh poor" doesn't work, because regulated capitalism and welfare states already cover that objection. Arguing "muh alienation" or "muh surplus" doesn't make sense either when communist states (supposed to be an oxymoron) extracted surplus anyway, and workers still engaged in industrial specialization, so were just as alienated even under the best case of the Eastern Bloc. Arguing that capitalism isn't sustainable doesn't work, because it doesn't justify revolution now at this present time. Indeed, the end result is that communism in the West has been hollowed out by reformist social democrats who believe in SJW intersectionalism. The most you get is a few fringe radical groups, and then what amounts to social democrats LARPing as communists for attention (see: Corbynistas).

Meanwhile, over on the right, the nationalists have the number of the conservatives, because conservatives can't claim to have already addressed the problems nationalists care about. The political spectrum is asymmetrical, so what we are headed for is a battle between nationalists who sincerely believe in white identitarianism and social democrats who only sincerely believe in SJW ideology and only LARP as communists.


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>thinks china wont implode within ten years



>Why isn't communism taken seriously?

Gee, I don't know…it could have something to do with the fact that it failed three decades ago.



you mean 100 years ago



literally what people have been saying since the late 80's.

It's a bubble! Then came the 90's. It's a paper tiger, will implode! Then came the 2000's, that's kind of when people got silent.

Now, Chinese companies have surpassed US tech companies, so no one says anything.



You hear;

>Communism is the last stage. a statless, moneyless, classeless society.

I hear;

>Fucking Bugpeople




>no society can thrive…if the useless faggotry isn't removed

Yeah, I have been telling Jim and Ron that for the last 3 years, but Dysnigger is still here and the place is tanking as a result.


>tfw many anon's have no yet been initiated into the 'Xi Jinping Thought' as now enshrined in the constitution.

In 100 years, it will be mandatory reading in the US independent administrative of Great China.



>You're right. China is capitalism, but comrade Xi said in 2050 Chian will be fully developped to shift for socialism. If you had any grasp of marxism other than memes, you woudl realize that Chian is following Marx teachings brilliantly.

Even if we take this as being correct (highly dubious to take him at his word), what this means is that communism as a movement is utterly pointless. If Xi is proving that you can just command economy capitalist development until you get communism, this contradicts Marx's notion of the necessity of worker control and class struggle. If instead, class collaboration and strong elite leadership can eventually develop the productive forces enough to get communism (assuming we steelman you and grant that communism IS the end product) then communism as an actual revolutionary movement to overthrow capitalism is a dud. Western social democracy would suffice just as much.



sure thing chink.



The americunts are triggered by China and it notest, it the biggest theat to their empir and dreams of world domination. I can't wait for ww3 so i can join China into purging that "nation" of faggots and retards from the globe and the we can stat our very own socialism revolution in each of our countries. Free from american retardation!



China and North Korea are not actually Communist anymore though, so the argument is pointless.

They both claim communism in name, but in practice they are nothing more than economic dictatorships running a corrupt form of capitalist cronyism.


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>He started industrialization and removed the useless faggotry from society, because no society can thrive or reach communism if the useless faggotry isn't removed



fun fact: Kim Jong-un has got rid of all karl marx statues and replace them with Orthodox churches

North Korea can be described as socialist monarchy or nat-soc


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>we need to save Ameriga from Amerigan retardation

>communism is da wey



>retarded predictions with no weight whatsoever



>our very own socialism revolution in each of our countries.

Which China will promptly crush so that it's companies are able to invest in these places. China is capitalist, you dolt! It might be a different totalitarian model of capitalism with state direction, but there is still class, money, and property in the Chinese system, and quite deliberately so. When they talk about socialism it's to deflect revolution, not to fulfill it. Even if you think that China's state capitalism is the model for eventually producing communism just with enough development, then that would A: hold for any economy just at different rates, and B: in the meantime, would still mean China as the new world hegemon crushing any attempts to achieve communism by political fiat. Considering China is a bourgeois country, then only the lousiest understanding of Marxism would interpret China taking over from the USA as the beginning of world socialist revolutions. There will be revolutions certainly, but they will be to conform to the interests of Chinese capital. To read otherwise is anti-materialist.


a lot of chinese and soyims in this thread


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This. Capitalism is the religion of white people. The biggest and only obstruction to the institution of a worldwide socialist system has been these white porky scum. The only way we can stop this is compulsory abortion of all white babies. Workers of the world unite against this porky menace! Fuck your white gods!

>tfw seeing /b/ realising the error of their white ways and becoming more and more socialist every day




Oh so this guy is actually so stupid as to believe that it was Mao who industrialized China and not Deng? You can argue that Stalin rapidly industrialized Russia and be quite correct (at the expense of millions of lives, in a fashion that South Korea showed could be done without collectivization and socialist ideology, so hey ho), but Mao's plan to industrialize was the biggest flop imaginable. He thought that they'd beat Britain in production of steel inside ten years, but then his actual program involved ruining all of his steel and turning it into slag in makeshift rural foundries. The Soviet model actually copied capitalist development and employed Fordism, whereas Mao's attempt was basically voodoo and actively destroyed value. So my point is that even if you are going to be a communist, Maoism is the biggest joke of communism next to Pol Pot.

To be a Stalinist you just have to be an evil dick. To be a Maoist, you have to be a drooling pigshit retard.



>China is capitalist, you dolt!

the dolt is you for being unable to distinguish an economic tactic from an ideological strategy. china allows private ownership and entreprise in order to achieve its socialist policy goals.



>literally what people have been saying since the late 80's

Really? Got a source for that? Because from where I'm standing, it's looked like the mainstream has been sucking China's dick since the late '90s.



>unable to distinguish an economic tactic from an ideological strategy. china allows private ownership and entreprise in order to achieve its socialist policy goals


This is why Communism will always fail. When confronted with obvious contradictions, the communist will never address them. Instead, they will pretend that any contradiction is merely some magic grand strategy.



I addressed this in that very post. You need to prove that China using capitalism to develop the economy will anymore lead to communism than European social democrats will lead the way to communism by the same dint. The important factor here is the productive forces and not how red the flag you wave is. I shouldn't have to teach basic Marxism to an alleged Marxist.



This is the best "Communism can't fail" post I ever saw. Thank you for the smile you gave me.


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>develop an economy will lead to communism

if the state controls the owners, it needn't own the means. nobody in china wants a return to collective ownership, but few want an uncontrollable market either. china is redefining socialism for the 21st century with a novel hybrid of private entreprise and a command economy. the narrow minded, very 20th century vision of the world revealed by your posts also reveals just how far behind the curve american thinking has become

if trump gets a second term, you'all will wake up in the third world



Communism, now with Chinese characteristics AND 21t century characteristic. I swear, guys, this is not capitalism.


Communism isn't taken seriously for a number of reasons, least of all is its spotty track record. See, communism and socialism on different levels have historically been linked as using violence and even murder against its opponents. When you kill or attack people for having the "wrong think," no one will ever take your ideology seriously if it hasn't taken root in the national diet. This is why the BLM and antifa movements need the mainstream media so badly to back them up; they're just seen as terrorists and hoodlums by the American public, so you get CNN propping them up as if they're heroes fighting the good fight .. by attacking people who disagree with them. Yeah.

Another fundamental reason is the idea that fuels them. Communism is the belief that property of any type may not be owned by the people, it is only owned by the state. That house you've spent 15 years paying off? Yeah that's not yours, at any time the government can come and take it from you without legal recourse or options. No compensation necessary, it's not yours, so they don't have to pay you for it, even though you've been paying them for it. Socialism works in a similar manner, except personal assets can be owned, whereas commercial assets can not. Did you start a business? Did your business grow and become worth over a million dollars? The state will seize your business, branding it now an essential service, and the best you can do is keep working there.

Socialism and Communism love to enforce their ideologies at the end of a gun, and for that reason, they're the first political systems to disarm the people. When you can't defend yourself from government tyranny or fight back on an even level if you do rebel, they've already won. No one wants that kind of bullshit ruling over them, and I know I certainly don't.

"Democracy is the worst system, except all others we've tried."

Capitalism fuels all the technological discoveries that you know and love today, going back to a system where there's no reward or compensation for that kind of innovation would result in the world stopping and standing still.


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>novel hybrid of enterprise and command economy

Gee, that sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it?



>if the state controls the owners, it needn't own the means

"Why socialize property, when I can socialize human beings?"

Do you know who I am paraphrasing there? There is a reason people are comparing China to a fascist model, even if you want to also call it socialist, as that has been a historically flexible word. What it is not, however, is socialist in the sense that Marx used it or in the sense Mao understood it, as collective proletarian control of the means of production, with communism being the very highest stage of this when the state withers away. It seems like China has abandoned class struggle completely then. It is a class collaborationist nationalist state.

>redefining socialism for the 21st century with a novel hybrid of private entreprise and a command economy

Ah so you're not a Marxist at all, or even a communist then, even though you gave that impression, because this is a direct contradiction of Marx. Nothing about that is novel, by the way, and if you want to define socialist that way, that's fine, but that's about as convincing as Hitler redefining it. My point is that your definition of socialism includes corporate states that are run for profit, which is effectively what China has become. It is a bourgeois state. Now you or I can have no problem with that, but don't sit here and pretend that this is a path to communism.

>very 20th century vision of the world revealed by your posts also reveals just how far behind the curve american thinking has become

I'm not American, and Americans usually define socialism as "when the government does stuff" so that fits in with your expansive definition that ultimately defines everything except anarcho-capitalist as socialism. I'm trying to hold you to some consistency since you seem to wish to invoke Mao, who was very much a Marxist invested in class struggle.

>if trump gets a second term, you'all will wake up in the third world

I'm not a Trump fan, but this is ridiculous hyperbole. He's a fairly standard Republican President all hype and fears aside.

I actually agree with you that China is the future by the way, the only thing I'm taking exception with is your belief that is somehow the triumph of a movement that will lead to communism, and your belief that China will not be forced into the same circumstances as the USA and essentially be at least as imperialist if not far more. It's like you think that ideas hold precedent over material factors like the control over resources and capital flows. You're not cynical enough. You just hate America because you are bitter and jealous. This is the slave who secretly wants to be as brutal as the master.


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Look faggots. Going on about how communism "doesn't work" obviously isn't going to cut it. If you look at what socialist countries did on the road to communism you'll see it is modeled to a "t" to what they said that they were going to do. Here's just a few examples:

>abolishment of private property

>progressive income taxes

>complete takeover (by the government of the economy)

>half of someones possessions will be garnished by the government upon death

The argument shouldn't be: why communism doesn't work and never will work; instead it should be: why is communism (or at the very least the march to "communism") is right at what it does and if the whole movement is just a huge scam. A scam concocted by the insane Karl Marx, to essentially get rich very very quickly by doing these things.




You mean Murrica.



Basically, this. Just think about it anons. What about modern day Korea (or any communist country for that matter). Why Kim is laying in the life of luxery while everyone else is essentially laying head first into the dirt. If there's no private property who in the hell owns all the property? The state does, and they will do any and all means to keep it that way. And the attempts by the pseudo intellectual s to say that it's "everyone's property" is merely a smokescreen. By taking your land away from you, you essentially have no rights whatever.

Now, combatting the anarcho kiddies is easy as they have never in anyway implemented a successful anarcho communist "society".



>china is redefining socialism for the 21st century with a novel hybrid of private entreprise and a command economy.

So Fascism then?


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Dubs confirm, China is a fascist country.


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>hey guys let's end monopolies by creating monopolies


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>da only wae to acheive true communism and destroy the evil (((boozgeois))) capitalism is t make the biggest and sexiest Capitalist system there is

>Marx wud be so proud

>buy my shitty merch comrade-fam

>gang gang gang


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The ten planks of the communist manifesto GLORIFIES monopoly by the state you fucking retard.

>Karl marx would be very proud

Indeed he fucking is.


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the red army



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Revolution status:




Because True Communism has never been done


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the working class realized it preferred capitalism to socialism and started working with the system instead of against it.

now all thats left of the commie are the over educated upper middle class larpers who are too autistic to get a real job.

workers of the world unite! by working and properly budgeting and investing.


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>It takes decades upon decades to get real communism

How does it feel to be a complete brainlet?

Excerpt from The Communist Manifesto of 1848 by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.


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i wouldn't know



Would fuck tbh



it doesn't even work on paper if you know anything about human sociology


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>would fuck 2D wifu

And not make babies for the state? What are you? Some sort of traitor to the Revolution?


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Capitalism is the way to go



I can't tell if this is bait or not but I'll bite. Communism has been attempted several times in several different countries and was met with only starvation and death. Capitalism has been attempted several times in several different countries and resulted in the ps2, the dodge neon, and other things not worth mentioning.


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Wub a lub a dub dubs confirm truth

Im sickle riiiiick


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pretty funny



Every time someone claims to try communism they are met with military force by not just their own governments, but every other powerful government in the world. So in the resulting wars, military strongmen take over and rule the country like the warlords they are, while only saying they are communist.

If you believe the words of warlords and despots when they claim to be communist, then you should believe that the People's Republic of China is a republic, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic.

Western countries have managed to slowly introduce economic reforms to counter the bourgeois modern aristocracy, and those reforms have been largely successful. But then people who grew up with them take them for granted and vote them away when they become adults, letting the rich rule them like kings again.


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This thread is too fucking hilarious. I can't take it anymore. Honestly btfo'd communists in such a fashion just is too funny.


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Because it's a proven failure and only complete retards who can't face reality advocate for it.


I find it funny that out of all the boards /leftypol/ is trying to convert, it is fucking /b/.


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Psh, stoopid bootlicker! Communism is da wae! You wont be making fun of us when we seize your means of production!


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fruitful political discussion is impossible on 8ch because of anons like you

everybody must fit snugly into your bipolar model or they are subversive shills

you epitomise the results of american education at it's worst: ignorant, agressive and intellectually paralysed. you don't see politics as a means of improving peoples lives at all, do you?


and as for you

>bourgeois modern aristocracy,

is an oxymoron cubed. bourgeois and aristocratic are incompatible with each other and modern (you mean contemporary) is with both

Trump 2020


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Daily reminder "bourgeois" literally means middle class. So basically, the whole object of communism is to invoke class warfare between the poor and middle class so that a very small insidious group of people can effectively monopolize the wealth of the entire nation. And what results is an unproductive society that doesn't produce much of anything, including wealth.



There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn’t he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God. I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little wofl thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don’t even fill in the captcha. Maybe you’re such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The “epic” wofl, isn’t it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it’s ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that’s right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she’s probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a fucking wofl. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic wofl NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can’t even try to talk with you because all you say is “I REALLY REALLY LIKE THIS PICTURE.” You’ve become a parody of your own self. And that’s all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he’s done a million times now. And that’s all you’ll ever be.


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>class warfare

>hey guise I am in fact against identity politics



>they are met with military force

What is North Korea, Venezuela, and half the tinpot African countries no one gives a shit about?


>implying a three-day blockade in 1962 is the reason Cuba is shit today

>implying Stalin came to power in the USSR because of foreign wars and not because he was a manipulative, scheming fuck


Communism is shit and all commies have to die.



how original of you anon!

whatever you do never have a brain scan. they'll bag you up as dead



>they'll bag you up as dead

and as a capitalist, you won't mind that your mom goes bankrupt paying the fees to incinerate you


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If class isn't an identity then what is it?

> I'm middle class but pretend to be working class so I can roleplay as a "proper socialist"

Sounds like an identity to me???



social classes are a form of identity politics retard.



How about free helicopter/airplane rides for them?

You can shoot them first before throwing them out.


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>an entire image made of straw.

>he actually thinks social classes aren't identity politics


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Your kind are not the inventors of the "identity politics" so you do not get to redefine the meaning of that term just because you're a special snowflake.



>has nothing to do with culture

So is that why all the upper class suburbanites at /leftypol/ LARP as working class all day?

>want to abolish class

You mean like how the social justice warriors that you totally aren't want to abolish the concept of race?


>implying you can abolish hierarchies

Daily reminder that leftists only want to abolish hierarchies because in any case where your position is determined by ability, they're at the bottom rung of the ladder.



> class is purely economic and has absolutely nothing to do with culture.

simply not true, sure, there is an economical component to it, but it is not the only component, and it is intrinsically linked to culture - look at what it means to be say British working class, it doesn't simply mean "quite poor and British", it also applies to the type of work they do, their preferences etc. it is absolutely cultural

Same idea with the caste systems in parts of asia.

Sounds like you're trying to redefine class as "how much money you earn" which simply ins't what it is.



>Why isn't communism taken seriously?

Maybe because it got posted on /b/.



Not gonna spent even a cent on a commie. My state is miserable shit because of them. I'd live in a first world state if the commies wouldn't conquer it in the past.



Unbelievably under-rated thread-ending post with dubs and everything, and it has been almost totally ignored.

Anon is right, there are NO legitimately Communist countries left on this planet. It simply does not exist anywhere. So the answer to OP's question is that it isn't taken seriously for the same reason unicorns are not taken seriously…they do not exist.



>one instance of the NAACP wanting to abolish blackness so that they don't receive handouts from the government

>please give me one contrived example of niggers not wanting gibs

Oh, I must have misread all those "deconstructing whiteness" courses offered at my local university. And all those "deconstructing race" meetups.

>"Class isn't an identity because I say so!"

Sure thing /leftypol/.



so, i take that as a…. no, then? are those the same liberals at college who speak of "cultural appropriation" and whatnot? doesn't race & ethnicity need to exist for that whole concept to as well? this has been enlightening, anon, i learned a lot about you.


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You are simply wrong. A parent who is a farmer, or doctor (whatever) has children that want to grow up and do what their own parents are doing. Therefore, it is apart of their own CULTURE to want to continue the family tradition of beinf a doctor or farmer.



>implying /leftypol/ is anything other than basic bitch liberals

>doesn't race and ethnicity need to exist for that whole concept as well

Yes, but only for (((some people))) and not for (((others))).


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>doesn't race & ethnicity need to exist for that whole concept to as well?

No it does not. Liberals and commies are deeply afflicted with cognitive dissidence.



>i suggest you try reading a wikipedia article you think supports your position before actually posting it



>Identity politics refers to political positions based on the interests and perspectives of social groups with which people identify. Identity politics includes the ways in which people's politics are shaped by aspects of their identity through loosely correlated social organizations. Examples include social organizations based on age, religion, social class or caste, culture, dialect, disability, education, ethnicity, language, nationality, sex, gender identity, generation, occupation, profession, race, political party affiliation, sexual orientation, settlement, urban and rural habitation, and veteran status.




Venezuela was doing a lot better a few years ago before their immensely popular democratic leader died of "natural causes."

Glow in the dark CIA niggers have a long history of killing world leaders who don't suit US interests, or who simply make them look bad by not being as shitty as the US would like.


>What is North Korea, Venezuela, and half the tinpot African countries no one gives a shit about?

Are you seriously not aware of the Korean war? Venezuela has been addressed. But for those two and any tiny african countries or other third world shitholes, you're surprised when third world shitholes that have always had bad governments continue being third world shitholes with bad governments when the most powerful nations on earth treat them as enemies? South Korea had the help of good countries to get where it is, while North Korea was fought by militarily and economically by those same countries.

And don't get me wrong, I strongly argue that the west is the greatest civilization that has ever existed by far. I just don't blame communism for other places being shit. It's much more complex than that. Another major factor is that it's only the shittiest countries that are driven to revolution like that, so can you really expect them to just suddenly get better? Their cultures are still fucked because they're still either slav cavemen, chinese bugmen, or plain old niggers.

>implying a three-day blockade in 1962 is the reason Cuba is shit today

The US had an embargo on them for decades. But I'm sure not having any relations with the most powerful country on earth won't hinder anything. Not to mention the earlier point about having to fight a war to get significant reform done, resulting in warlords taking power. And with all that, Cuba still came out better than would be expected. Not great, but better than expected.

>implying Stalin came to power in the USSR because of foreign wars and not because he was a manipulative, scheming fuck

The USSR was already flawed from the beginning, due to basically having a military government due to needing a violent revolution to take power and keep power. Not to mention the very contentious era in which the country was formed. Either way, Stalin being a manipulative, scheming fuck is my point. That has nothing to do with the economic system of the country. It has to do with the structure of government created by people who gain power through military rank. Even after the war is over, the structure is fucked. Plus, you're dealing with a bunch of backwards slav cavemen. Their governments, before and after the revolution, had been trying to drag them, kicking and screaming out of the 14th century, but it's just not in their culture. You can lead a caveman to a computer but you can't make him think.



Weak attempt at sophistry, the fact is communism has never and will never work because of human psychology.



>died of natural causes

Didn't he die of cancer?


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If you think about it, /leftypol/ courting /b/ (espically 8/b/) it makes sense. Sexual Marxism is pretty big in the Left community. Thats why they always get uppity about the rights of their faggots. Some communist thinkers (pic related) are big in pedophilia and the sexual liberation of children.

8/b/ is a big fan of pedophila and the sexual liberation of children. Combine that with 8/b/'s degeneracy, it's logical that the degenerates of /leftypol/ would court the pedos of 8/b/.



>Venezuela was doing a lot better a few years ago

You mean back when oil was $150 a barrel?

Turns out you can make even the shittiest economic system work when your economy is entirely based on exporting a single good and the price of that good has skyrocketed.

>Are you seriously not aware of the Korean war?

You mean the war where North Korea invaded the south? If you're going to claim that communism is only shit because foreign powers invade other countries, you probably shouldn't use a war where commies attacked another country as an example.

>South Korea had the help of good countries to get where it is

Just like how North Korea had the support of China and the USSR.

>That has nothing to do with the economic system of the country

Really? You seriously think a system where the government seizes all private property and establishes control of the entire economy doesn't play a part in attracting power-hungry, manipulative leaders to attain power?


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Maybe it was successful at first because they weren't actually interested in trying to enable communism? The regime really started to fall apart when Hugo Chavez started kicking the Jews out of the country thus providing economic warefare on the country and huge boycotts on them.




Meant *provoking

my auto-correct fucking sucks


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>cognitive dissidence



It went from buff slavs with AK-47s that killed gay people to weak 56%ers that are gay.



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>Fruitful discussion


I think the problem with commies is that they are huddled in a position they feel can't be falsified. What results is always that they keep blaming the middle class boggieman for simply existing. While shitposting on /leftypol/ all day. They are most likely all rich kiddies larping as commies. And if that's not the case (and they are poor), it is obvious that their money is not being allocated towards things that could improve their lives. They basically blame others for their own ineptitude.


Few notice that the phrase "capitalist" was popularized by none other than that bloody old Jew, Marx, himself -a ship-wrecker. (Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital). Until Marx told our kind of people they were "capitalists" in his "Das Kapital," they never gave what they were doing economically such a formal name, but they did know what they believed in. It was NOT "capitalism." Capital was only a tool for our people in the process of production. Men like Henry Ford were not interested simply in getting money. Rather they were trying to do something - in Ford's case, give all Americans an automobile via Ford's discovery of "mass production." The American economy does not produce miracles because it is "capitalist," but because it is enterprising and productive! The correct name of our system is not "capitalism," but "productive enterprise." Productive enterprise needs capital. But it also needs labor, material, management and a hundred other things. Capital is only one of the tools of a productive enterprise system. It took the Jewish parasitic genius of Karl Marx to elevate that one tool, capital, to the status in our civilization by attacking it and calling it "capitalism." He has thus trapped us into defending what he created, and has thereby doomed us to defeat because we defend a system based not on production, but money manipulation. Capitalism is the naked worship of money, not as a tool, but as an idol! "Capitalism" as promoted by both sides in the crazy "capitalism" versus "Communism" sham fight going on, is taken to mean the making of money through the use of capital - not necessarily by working or producing.



>So is that why all the upper class suburbanites at /leftypol/ LARP as working class all day?

Because they think it gives them street cred. Most kids with good upbringing like to pretend they're ghetto hoping to avoid being called spoiled.



So you are fighting for a place that hasn't ever been seen, has never been proven to exist, nor has it been proven to be remotely possible and evidence points to the contrary given the times it has been implemented across numerous cultures races and geographical locations. Now please explain how that is any different than a religious fundamentalist with all of their nonsense and unproven shit.


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This. Why didn't any of those communist governments introduce prototypes for what they were "trying to be"? I'm just not understanding this. It's either they were too stupid to try true communism within their own country or the whole movement isn't a genuine one. Sure, people believe it's genuine, but is the movement truly a genuine one? I don't think so. If it was they wouldn't be advocating for this totalitarian government that controls absolutely everything and thus everyone lives. Like this anon pointed out. >>7819974


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I believe the stated goal isn't the intended goal, given the failure of their stated goal, in fact I believe them to be a sort of controlled opposition to International finance, exhibit 1. Did Lenin not state that the best way to deal with the Opposition is to lead it yourself. Exhibit 2, Trotsky was detained in Canada with Gold but permitted passage, exhibit 3 the existence of the protocols of Zion lay out exactly what they want to do and how to do it, and compared with every event pertaining to Communism it has fallen in line word for word and lockstep with it's implementation.



can Americans stop talking about McDonalds for 5 seconds holly shit



From my understanding, kikes seem to disown or abandon any movement or ideology they used during a "revolution" once they have drained the host of life.


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What communism literally represents is internationalism. They don't know (or most likely they don't give a fuck) is that by attempting to create these conditions and forcing everyone to accept your beliefs, (just like how religious imperialism takes place) they are creating the very conditions for a own world government and a one world economy that rules with an iron fist over "their own" subjects. But, this doesn't matter to them because all they care about is the feels and politics substituted for religion.


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Communism in a nutshell is nothing more than a bomb, a bomb that seems to destroy Western Civilization and institute a non cultural waste land masquerading as humanities savior. It is a religion of cowards and of imperialism of the most corrosive nature that has yet to be surpassed. It does not recognize that it will not be getting rid of religion, it will merely be sending other religions to take over and dominate over Christianity and try to lull it into complete silence.


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Communism is this summed up best by this pic.


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Why are communists so fucked in the head?



The most of mentally healthy people are repulsed by communism if seen up close.


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>people still follow g*rman ideology in 2018





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>why isn't leftist ideology taken seriously?


1: It doesn't account for racial differences in intelligence

2: Communist economic theories that are put in practice are actually more inefficient than a non-regulated market or a semi-regulated market

3: Fascism is superior in every way


moar gobermints :DDDDD


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Why isn't human sacrifice taken seriously?


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>Capitalism is the way to go


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Wrong attachment, but always a classic!


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Communism is the antithesis of all that is man. It does not recognize that humans are different from eachother. It is a belief that arrogantly and with absolute narcissism holds that humans are someohow above science. Communism believes that since you can breed with each other, that it automatically makes them the same. When you look at different species of dog for example, you will find they can breed with eachother and are not the same. In other words, its the dogmatic belief that humans are above the laws of nature and science as a whole. Communism believes that humans can organize (under no leadership) and can somehow make a system that would lead to absolute "equality" and a productive society not vulnerable to statism that would undoubtedly rise to the occasion and take advantage of the situation. /leftypol/ believes communism cannot work without capitalism destroyed first. In other words, they are blatantly admitting they cant beat enterprising systems with the system they are advocating (of which has no basis on reality).



If you had some skills to make it in life you wouldn't be so bitter


Real communism has never been tried.


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I'm being serious.



That's the sad part


well said


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>different species of dog

I would agree if you were using "wolf" there, but all dogs belong to one species, canis (lupus) familiaris.



domesticated canines and non domesticated canines can breed anon.


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Of course there has been genuine experiments in trying to implement communism! What have you been living under a rock all these years?


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>but all dogs belong to one species, canis (lupus) familiaris.

So what are you saying, are you genuinely saying there is no difference between a black lab and a pit bull or are you saying this in an attempt to stay logically consistent?



Of course not you fucking racist. Pit bulls did nothing wrong.



Those are different "breeds" not species. If you insist, you might call them different subspecies at most.



pit bulls should be wiped off the face of the earth, it is the nigger breed of dogs



That's just their culture, don't be a bigot.








>but all dogs belong to one species, canis (lupus) familiaris.

>Those are different "breeds" not species. If you insist, you might call them different subspecies at most.

So wait a minute here, are you two trying to deflect from his intended meaning?

It's all about context. When he says "different species of dog" he literally means subspecies of dogs. The definition of dog includes the canine family of "canis (lupus) familiaris", so saying "subspecies" of dog is redundant. Jesus christ /leftypol/, stop using the equivocation fallacy for once in your fucking life.



do we really need to spell it out for you stupid faggots? the alaskan husky is good for pulling, beagles are good at catching rabits, and border Collies are generally more intelligent than the rest. also, how do you suppose scientists can tell the difference between different types of dogs using dna????? if your argument is that simply "prejudice" on looks is the only thing that keeps different breeds of dogs different you are either being incredibly dishonest or you are very dumb. i do NOT hate other races of people, i just simply recognize that there is an actual difference between races other than my own. and if you say that i hate them because of racial realism, you have carefully constructed a strawman that i never argued for.




And do you think that dog breeds can be classified as different subspecies? Tough cookie, because usually there are few subspecies in a species, if any at all, not hundreds like for dog breeds. I would rather see them akin to crop cultivars.



>Tough cookie, because usually there are few subspecies in a species, if any at all, not hundreds like for dog breeds.

Aren't most breeds created artificially through generations of selecting desired traits?


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>And do you think that dog breeds can be classified as different subspecies?

Of course not.

>few subspecies in a species, if any at all, not hundreds like for dog breeds

There is actually a total of about 38 classified subspecies of dogs and several more breeds, furthermore, what's your point? Is your point that since a group of animals have less subspecies therefore there is no or very little difference between them? I shouldn't have to tell you why that's wrong anon.

>I would rather see them akin to crop cultivar

Some crops are better suited for different kinds of environments than others in fact, if we didn't figure this out I really doubt we could have come this far, let alone evolved from tribalism. Please tell me anon, how your ideology differs from how religions work. Because, it sounds to me your using the so called "anti racist" dogma like how christians use scriptures from a bible in a debate.



>what is china?





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>what is china?

A single-party capitalist republic which is probably going to have the same president until he dies. It that real communism?


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1. Animal: Canis lupus familiaris > One species > Different breeds;

2. Animal: Homo sapiens sapiens > One species > Different breeds;

3. Much like Canis lupus familiaris breeds, some Homo sapiens sapiens are biologically superior to others.

Now explain what the fuck is so hard to understand here?


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1. Animal: Canis lupus familiaris > subspecies > Different breeds;

2. Animal: Homo sapiens sapiens > subspecies > Different races;

3. Much like Canis lupus familiaris breeds, some Homo sapiens sapiens are biologically different to others.

Now explain what the fuck is so hard to understand here?


>/leftypol/ trying to subvert the discussion and make it about "muh superiority" argument

>trying to say that because of complexities between other groups of people therefore it means that someone is "superior



I'm not a leftyporker, I haven't even seen that board yet in fact. It just irked me that you were factually wrong, not "right in the context".



yes! its totally what you said and not me attending a 4 year natural science highschool and then 5 years of dual major biochem and neurosci…

just fuck off… not everyone here is a fucking uneducated monkey

there are huge genetic differences regarding

>cognition and cognitive abilities

>mental health



>and many more

im not going to type a fucking 'bible' over here about this shit because you can easily see it yourself by looking at official statistics and data,

whites and asians are BY FAR genetically superior to other races, especially when it comes to cognition and cognitive abilities.

if you think thats racist then i really dont know what to say to you except call you a fucking idiot.

this is the reality of the world you live in, those are facts and facts can not be racist. get it?

im honestly tired of people like you but i cant really blame you because there are even some idiot scientists who even after having access

to all the fucking statistics are trying to prove everyone otherwise and end up misinforming general public in the process, because muh racism

honestly i blame politics and governments for this shit, people are unintentionally getting brainwashed left and right


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Not him, but his statements do not necessarily differentiate from yours. Look, you are not going to convince anyone of your argument in the current political climate without first being able to comprimise and put across your argument you heve to be willing to put it in a bit more graceful and understanding manner. It is a fact that asians, caucasians, and jews have a higher iq on average than others. But you should be saying that it's a difference between races not that someone is superior than others. There are far more important attributes that makes someone great than iq. Like good deeds that help their fellow men. Caucasians, Africans, Asians, middle eastern, etc etc. All have a right of self determination and have a right to exist as a unique people. If people don't have a right of free association, then they don't have a right to exist.



I dont fucking care, but niggers are different species so the proper word is specism.



>Implying they shouldn't be called aliens



Legal or illegal?


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>Be you faggots

>Not calling other breeds reptilians



What about the a right to NOT associate? Like with the niggers moving into a neighborhood and driving everyone else out? It's a case of minority forcing the actions of majority. Is that all right?


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Commies BTFO!

The Russian Hackers hacked the Russian election and there is nothing you red faggots can do about it.



Hunger intensifies.



Communism uses a failed economic model to redistribute wealth to the retards of society THEN once in power they purge fags like you 1st for supporting such a retarded system.



So for the next 30 years exploit the innovation of intelligent people in the free marketplace/create wealth out of nothing/ 30 years later steal wealth & redistribute wealth to the retards that created nothing. Great plan asshole! No wonder commies aren't considered human.


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That's the thing though… His statements are just his opinions and he is using those same opinions as facts in arguments. And it's not just him doing that… That is the problem.

Also, wording my arguments/replies differently does not matter. If he chooses to not listen or refuses to understand what I am saying to him, only because I didn't use punctuation or

only because I used profanity in my argument or just because I decided to type like a hillbilly… etc. - Then that is completely on him. That is his fault and not my problem.

He chose to be/act stupid. It is a choice.


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You can't just make these statements without backing them up with actual evidence. Please indulge us how private property, private profit, currency, and openly promoting and introducing more capitalist reforms. China may have muh "cpc" in control of it, but that doesn't make it a communist country anymore than a kit car with a ferrari badge on it.




Also, I forgot to mention that China has a one party system. So, you have to go through the party in order to have a seat in Congress or become the elected president.


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>when your ideology rails against another ideology that refutes yours


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For the same reason perpetual motion machines and phrenology aren't taken seriously.


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gee bill two wieners?


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they literally look fine tbh. most look like someone you will see walking in the street


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>t-they look fine


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>they literally look fine tbh

>literally look fine tbh


>look fine


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>tfw gommie and come to /b/ to see neverending butthurt posts about gommies and obsessive-ugly tranny picture hoarders



>implying anyone can be butthurt over an ideology that has proven to be an absolute failure

lmaoing @ your life kid



meh, most Americans looks ugly



most americans are mutts




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I used to be a volunteerist when I realized how it had no application of reality and how dumb it is. And believe me, I was an idiot for believing in this horseshit as a young lad at face value.


>1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

>2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

>5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Ok retarded communists. Please fucking tell us how this is any different than how feudulism worked. Because it looks like (to me anyway) that the March to "communism" isn't from socialism at all. So this really begs the question of if Karl Marx was just incredibly retarded, or was an incredibly dishonest person trying to enact the protocols of Zion.

>Inb4 muh terminalogy


>According to Marx, history goes from Hunter/gateherer societies to Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism to Communism. Communism is the last stage

From feudulism to communion.








yikerz. how about everybody that supports radical revolution in a system that is overall pretty good is probably a social outcast. in general, they are probably ugly. end of story


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why are communists so incredibly dumb?



You sound like one of my retarded history teachers in high school.


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>Oh yeah let's insult the intelligence of history teachers

Not an argument. Good fucking job /leftypol/.



oh, and btw anon. the reason why you have a lack of replies and arguments that come with them, is because they know you are right and can't come up with anything against you.


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>The third image


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thats gotta sting tbh. i almost feel sorry for the little bastards



>history is not a trivial subject!!!!1!1111!!!!!

fuck off



Tried as in put on trial for crimes against humanity?

Millions of people died, shouldn't have there been some trials similar to Nuremberg trials?


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>some trials

let's hold them on the outskirts of Mecca, in a specially constructed prison run by Blackwater, with catering by Pepsico. Let's behead half of America on youtube for warcrimes or obesity or just for being mutts. the holocaust? chicken shit compared to what history has in store for the pigburgers


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>Why isn't communism taken seriously?

>Why isn't Atlantis taken seriously?


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The socialism is just one more step. The end goal is the collective ownership of the means of production and the liberation of man from the need to find profitable labor so that they can focus on what they enjoy. also no government


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Is based marxist feudalism the wae to true gommunism?



I have flirted with the idea of a caste system before.

Pick some genetically inferior group of people to do all the shitty, uninteresting jobs and the superior groups to do better, funner jobs and so on. The best individuals don't need to do shit unless they want to.

This, of course, would be authoritarian as fuck but as advancement progresses more and more people can live off nothing until all production is fully automated.


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>Imperialistic feudalism



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moar gobermints :DDD


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