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File: f4bd98dc8171543⋯.jpg (47.59 KB, 519x480, 173:160, images(77).jpg)


The means of production should belong to the workers who use them.


what about the people who maintain them though

caretakers of the world unite fam



Those three lazy cucks wouldnt have their jobs if the rich man didnt buy the machine.


>you can only own things you build

>only you can operate the things you own (which you must have built)

>you cannot contract with someone to pay them a certain amount of fiat currency for a specific type of labor using assets you have previously acquired

commucucks actually believe somehow they are oppressed because of everything above.

but muh share of the profits. go work for winco or buy stock you retards



they dont even believe you should own the things you build after the fact though


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you are perfectly free to go buy the tools of your trade and conduct business with them. If you haven't already, then you are hypocritical of your own political persuasion which nullifies your opining.



>boss is talking about the workers (machine is crypto for workers)

>dumbasses think he is talking abiut the actual machine they made


>you invest your own money to purchase the machine, hire a bunch of people to operate it, take on all the risk yourself if the endeavor fails.

Something that pic forgot to mention.



What excuse do commies use for the risk part? Should employees not be paid, and even give back already paid salaries, when a company fails?



property should belong to the person who purchased it. if you want to own the means of production, buy it yourself.



Then do it? If you quit your job, you'll be replaced, then you can buy a productive machine and do it yourself if you want.



the risk is that millions of people will starve thats how they deal with it. if the nation isnt prducing enough just kill people off until it does.


I don't know where you live but all the factories etc are in 3rd world shitholes. Some, like, China, are already communists.



And where did the machine come from? Engineers made that machine and then were paid less than it is worth so that some boss could take a profit. That's theft as surely as taxes are.



People should own the fruits of their labor. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow? Property should belong to those who put the work in to actually make it. If they want to sell it that's fine, but the boss shouldn't be the person who decides that. The workers should democratically decide who to sell it to. Both capitalism and communism are complete bullshit. Capitalism promotes theft from the productive by a bourgeoisie, and communism tries to control what the productive create to serve some nebulous greater good. In reality, the only moral system without theft is mutualism where workers own the means of production, things are decided collectively only when concerning the relevent group, and co-ops compete in a free market. Anything else, whether "capitalist" or "communist" is fucking tyranny.




So you are against socialism then? Because in socialism none gets to keep means of production, it all gets confiscated by government that tells its citizens that it belongs to everyone now, but in realty the only ones who own it are members of the government, because they are the only ones who get to decide anything. Its slavery.



>then were paid less than it is worth

Then they're fucking dumbfucks who don't know how to make a profit.


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ITT: pic related


Hahaha, fucking forever peons who dont understand they would be nothing without the ruling educated class such as I. Sage hard because some stupid kiddie got reprimanded at mcdonalds or something hence this shit thread.



the peak of communist dialectic.



>The means of production should belong to a brutal autocrat

Fixed. This is what happens in a practical sense. If we're talking strictly theory, then

>The means of production should never be created in the first place because nobody should be allowed to accumulate and direct the resources required to create them.



Build your own machine if you're so smart.



Why didn't the engineers just build it independently then? 🤷ā€ā™€



>People should own the fruits of their labor. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow? Property should belong to those who put the work in to actually make it.

Literally just work for yourself then, no one is stopping you. 👍



Then they can work for this guy and buy their own and work for themselves.



Nop. Its patented.

Anyway. While i do agree that one should benefit from the fruit of his mind. I do not agree with the extreme. One guy had one idea and generations after profit billions.

Say you invented the wind shield wiper. Ok we pay you handsomely one time and if it relay is that good then we assure you with a hansom free retirement. But you did not make, install, sell any of the billions of windshield wipers out there.


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You do realize that applies exactly in reverse when you apply "How capitalists think…"

My sides.



>no u

quality argument there



so then double standards? because…



national socialism or stay enslaved by materialism.

placing your ideals only in economy does not allow for anything more than money ruling.


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File: 9bc5521f5af03d8⋯.png (202.48 KB, 490x301, 70:43, 184240.png)


Threadly reminder that Marxism and socialism are eternally opposed to eachother.

Nationalsocialism is the only true form of socialism.



Great, the gov can run businesses.

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