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File: f4bd98dc8171543⋯.jpg (47.59 KB, 519x480, 173:160, images(77).jpg)

 No.8579246

The means of production should belong to the workers who use them.

 No.8579259

what about the people who maintain them though

caretakers of the world unite fam


 No.8579271

>>8579246

Those three lazy cucks wouldnt have their jobs if the rich man didnt buy the machine.


 No.8579285

>you can only own things you build

>only you can operate the things you own (which you must have built)

>you cannot contract with someone to pay them a certain amount of fiat currency for a specific type of labor using assets you have previously acquired

commucucks actually believe somehow they are oppressed because of everything above.

but muh share of the profits. go work for winco or buy stock you retards


 No.8579288

>>8579285

they dont even believe you should own the things you build after the fact though


 No.8579291

File: 8a534f2ef77bd1f⋯.jpg (12.64 KB, 300x300, 1:1, 1397270939965.jpg)

>>8579246

you are perfectly free to go buy the tools of your trade and conduct business with them. If you haven't already, then you are hypocritical of your own political persuasion which nullifies your opining.


 No.8579302

>>8579246

>boss is talking about the workers (machine is crypto for workers)

>dumbasses think he is talking abiut the actual machine they made


 No.8579339

>you invest your own money to purchase the machine, hire a bunch of people to operate it, take on all the risk yourself if the endeavor fails.

Something that pic forgot to mention.


 No.8579358

>>8579339

What excuse do commies use for the risk part? Should employees not be paid, and even give back already paid salaries, when a company fails?


 No.8579366

>>8579246

property should belong to the person who purchased it. if you want to own the means of production, buy it yourself.


 No.8579390

>>8579246

Then do it? If you quit your job, you'll be replaced, then you can buy a productive machine and do it yourself if you want.


 No.8579427

>>8579358

the risk is that millions of people will starve thats how they deal with it. if the nation isnt prducing enough just kill people off until it does.


 No.8579488

I don't know where you live but all the factories etc are in 3rd world shitholes. Some, like, China, are already communists.


 No.8581659

>>8579271

And where did the machine come from? Engineers made that machine and then were paid less than it is worth so that some boss could take a profit. That's theft as surely as taxes are.


 No.8581672

>>8579366

People should own the fruits of their labor. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow? Property should belong to those who put the work in to actually make it. If they want to sell it that's fine, but the boss shouldn't be the person who decides that. The workers should democratically decide who to sell it to. Both capitalism and communism are complete bullshit. Capitalism promotes theft from the productive by a bourgeoisie, and communism tries to control what the productive create to serve some nebulous greater good. In reality, the only moral system without theft is mutualism where workers own the means of production, things are decided collectively only when concerning the relevent group, and co-ops compete in a free market. Anything else, whether "capitalist" or "communist" is fucking tyranny.


 No.8581678


 No.8581684

>>8579246

So you are against socialism then? Because in socialism none gets to keep means of production, it all gets confiscated by government that tells its citizens that it belongs to everyone now, but in realty the only ones who own it are members of the government, because they are the only ones who get to decide anything. Its slavery.


 No.8583552

>>8581659

>then were paid less than it is worth

Then they're fucking dumbfucks who don't know how to make a profit.


 No.8583554

File: 292184441b93d28⋯.jpg (70.41 KB, 714x500, 357:250, labor theory of value.jpg)

ITT: pic related


 No.8583557

Hahaha, fucking forever peons who dont understand they would be nothing without the ruling educated class such as I. Sage hard because some stupid kiddie got reprimanded at mcdonalds or something hence this shit thread.


 No.8583563

>>8581678

the peak of communist dialectic.


 No.8583716

>>8579246

>The means of production should belong to a brutal autocrat

Fixed. This is what happens in a practical sense. If we're talking strictly theory, then

>The means of production should never be created in the first place because nobody should be allowed to accumulate and direct the resources required to create them.


 No.8583807

>>8579246

Build your own machine if you're so smart.


 No.8583814

>>8581659

Why didn't the engineers just build it independently then? 🤷ā€ā™€


 No.8583819

>>8581672

>People should own the fruits of their labor. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow? Property should belong to those who put the work in to actually make it.

Literally just work for yourself then, no one is stopping you. 👍


 No.8583849

>>8579246

Then they can work for this guy and buy their own and work for themselves.


 No.8585172

>>8583849

Nop. Its patented.

Anyway. While i do agree that one should benefit from the fruit of his mind. I do not agree with the extreme. One guy had one idea and generations after profit billions.

Say you invented the wind shield wiper. Ok we pay you handsomely one time and if it relay is that good then we assure you with a hansom free retirement. But you did not make, install, sell any of the billions of windshield wipers out there.


 No.8585210

File: 91e62c6abc7a7a2⋯.jpg (41.18 KB, 720x715, 144:143, 2r7hfun7mz921.jpg)


 No.8585235

>>8585210

You do realize that applies exactly in reverse when you apply "How capitalists think…"

My sides.


 No.8585236

>>8585235

>no u

quality argument there


 No.8585241

>>8585236

so then double standards? because…

Because!


 No.8586069

national socialism or stay enslaved by materialism.

placing your ideals only in economy does not allow for anything more than money ruling.


 No.8586079

File: 8d12e60aa3cc1a1⋯.gif (717.49 KB, 200x189, 200:189, ef6d58b49897f97fafffbe121cā€¦.gif)

NATIONAL SOCIALISM

EQUALITY ONLY AMONG OUR PEOPLE

THE ONLY VALID ECONOMIC PRINCIPLE TAKEN AWAY FROM UD


 No.8586122

File: 9bc5521f5af03d8⋯.png (202.48 KB, 490x301, 70:43, 184240.png)


 No.8586148

Threadly reminder that Marxism and socialism are eternally opposed to eachother.

Nationalsocialism is the only true form of socialism.


 No.8586162

>>8579291

Great, the gov can run businesses.




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