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File: 2f1b3dbe52eacc2⋯.jpg (160.17 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, tao te ching.jpg)

 No.238044

Don't Bother. It's crap.

It starts of by saying "The Tao that can be described is not the Tao". This is basically the author admitting he's full of shit. If what you are writing about cannot be described than why are you describing it.

Maybe because you're a shitbag mystic who would rather spew bullshit than work for a living.

 No.238056

>tao te CHINK

lmao


 No.238064

File: 1c7428c0e983256⋯.png (136.98 KB, 400x223, 400:223, stoned.png)

The rest of it is stupid paradox riddles,, the kind of stuff you'd say to fourteen year old getting stoned for the first time.


 No.238067

File: e43d3abe4951a10⋯.jpg (18.56 KB, 309x499, 309:499, 41vxAMcHOzL._SX307_BO1,204….jpg)

no, but I have read Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance, which builds on Tao Te Ching


 No.238086

File: 9a50f10057644bb⋯.jpg (307.45 KB, 1280x923, 1280:923, Opuim War.jpg)

>>238063

Ohh.. so deep. If you want to pull something up, you must first push it down.. Whoa.. so mysterious.

If this is the peak of Chinese Classical Philosophy, it's no wonder their culture stagnated into a bunch of opium addicts by the 1800's.

It's crap thinking like this, that gets you curbed stomped by the modern world.


 No.238094

>>238067

Figures. It would take a White Man to make this rubbish even semi-useful.


 No.238102

>>238044

>>238086

>thinking only things that can be expressed with words are important

you need to read some Taleb


 No.238140

Isn't it more like he's saying that a model is not the same as reality, and don't become a slave to any system.


 No.238170

File: 59f5c2005141ccf⋯.jpg (198.9 KB, 728x546, 4:3, Nemesis.jpg)

>>238102

Giving up on rational thought,

Not observing the world and learning the way it works, but instead proclaiming it's a magic mystery that cannot be understood.

Try some empiricism, it's a philosophy that gets results.

This difference between Western and Eastern Thinking goes a long to explaining why the British were able to kick ass on the entire nation of China with single gun boat.

Wanna read about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_(1839)

But since you are a mystic shithead,, you will say something about how losing is actually winning.


 No.238182

>>238102

Quote some Taleb.

So /b/ can be enlightened.. or at least have a giggle.


 No.238236

>>238182

he's not really one for short standalone quotes, but here's one that might work:

“Most humans manage to squander their free time, as free time makes them dysfunctional, lazy, and unmotivated—the busier they get, the more active they are at other tasks.”

― Nassim Nicholas Taleb


 No.238465

>thinking you can read Laozi in english

>thinking that the Daodejing is for beginners

>not understanding the basic concept of metaphysical emptiness

Nigger, you need some basic bitch foundation first before trying to wrap your head around this shit. Try reading the Bible, achieving basic proficiency in Buddhist concepts and learning the outline of Kabbalistic teachings and concepts. Even then it's fucking hopeless because Laozi is full of coded terminology related to daoyin (qigong, but not the kind you see old folks doing in the park) stuff like "Embryonic Breathing". You don't even know the difference between li, qi and shen, how can you understand the Dao? Daoists consider the Daodejing an "old man's book", something for 70+ year olds to study after a lifetime of training and studying the Daoist canon.

Yes I'm mad.


 No.238589

>>238140

Exactly. It's telling you to keep in mind that the map is not the terrain, the photo is not the subject, and the recipe is not the cake. It's saying that worshipping this book is like driving off a bridge because your GPS nav told you there was a road there.


 No.239709

>>238102

IF IT CAN'T BE DESCRIBED BY WORDS, WHY WRITE A BOOK ABOUT IT?


 No.240885

>>238102

Taleb is a modern sand nigger writer, not a taoist.

Why are you posting in this thread?


 No.240889

>>238044

>The Tao that can be described is not the Tao

Never been into chinkshit but that sounds pretty based. It's technically impossible to say or write anything that's actually true.


 No.240891

File: 7a35380dd554002⋯.png (316.67 KB, 309x585, 103:195, 917.png)

>ching chong

wew


 No.240916

File: 3e12a05ef082545⋯.jpg (156.48 KB, 519x481, 519:481, Tao-Te-Ching-Quotes-1.jpg)

>>238922

What's to understand. asshole?

It's all crap like this (see pic)

This greeting card level platitudes.


 No.240922

>>240889

>>240889

So why write a book? Oh yeah being a magical mystic wise man is better than working for a living.

Fuck.. I'd be a shaman if I could pull it off.


 No.241306

>>240885

I explained it in the post you replied to


 No.244820

>>238067

>implying that book has anything to do with Zen

retard

>>240916

Lao Tzu never said that you stupid nigger


 No.245533

File: 1be9c49683d9e45⋯.png (67.3 KB, 500x441, 500:441, oh-ive-wasted-my-life-toom….png)

>>238465

You learned another language, and studied for years to understand this fortune cookie style crap.

“Success is as dangerous as failure.

Hope is as hollow as fear.”

― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching


 No.245558

File: f6ca84146982eca⋯.png (653.95 KB, 1238x762, 619:381, Mystery Man Sphinx Quote..png)

>>244820

Funny how you learned Taoists have not posted any Lao Tzu quotes.

Is it because they are all formulaic crap?


 No.245907

>>238044

It is too advanced for you if you don't understand this anon, inf4 i won't teach shit because idc


 No.246032

I know the sound of one hand clapping slap


 No.246081

>>245907

too advanced?

Do the difficult things while they are easy and do the great things while they are small. A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step. Lao Tzu

Like this kindergarten level gem of wisdom…


 No.246087

File: 9e4c01d80f44486⋯.jpg (47.1 KB, 314x562, 157:281, rabbit71.jpg)

>>238044

because you got horrible translation

"The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao."

the Eternal Tao is beyond words. what he can tell you is just low form of tao. more over lao tzu never want to tell anyone about Taoism but the gate keeper ask him for it.

westerners use 2000 years later to discover human language can't express the true. and they call it " Post modern" philosophy


 No.246095

>>246087

Pls no zoophilia only anti-bigotry


 No.246123

File: 068b290e22cbe49⋯.jpg (55.98 KB, 1000x932, 250:233, post modern art.jpg)

>>246087

>" Post modern" philosophy

Look what gave us.

the words "post-modern" in front of anything are a red flag warning you it's going to suck.

Have some post-modern "art",


 No.246127

File: 3d6dff2cb948cb8⋯.png (143.1 KB, 204x320, 51:80, ClipboardImage.png)

>>240922

I've never read it but the legitimate reason for writing something like would be to guide you to seeing the truth for yourself.


 No.246147

File: 9de03f0615573e8⋯.jpg (297.87 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, rabbit77.jpg)

>>246123

that is what your philosopher did

it's nothing to do with our Taoism

I think your west philosopher got the ideas of post structure - ism from our superior east ideas…

now stop your anger and call me sensei…..


 No.246173

>>246147

>call me sensei

That's what you mystics always want isn't t.. to be revealed for knowing secret magic.

Get a real Job. Produce something.


 No.246184

>>246123

You have 0 idea of what postmodern means lmao


 No.246217

>>246123

That's actually modern art, not post-modern art.


 No.246223

File: 07f8c2af3c96dda⋯.jpg (114.77 KB, 1200x1199, 1200:1199, rabbit70.jpg)

>>246173

>still not call me sensei

then our path are separate . I shall continue move along on my way around the galaxies… :)


 No.246228

File: 4289273047baa86⋯.jpg (168.08 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, yoda.jpg)

>>246184

and let me guess,, you can't tell because it cannot be known.


 No.246235

>>246223

Pretty amazing how you move along those galaxies without leaving your parents basement.


 No.246237

>>246184

That's your average Internet right-winger. They have never read a single book from a post-modernist, but Jordan Peterson told them that they are evil.


 No.246266

>>246237

>Jordan Peterson

You're giving them too much credit. They usually hate him for not glorifying their loser-dom.


 No.246332

>>246217

It's dadaism which is post-modern.


 No.246337

>>246081

>too advanced?

Yes. It is a good thing you understood what I wrote.

>kindergarten level gem of wisdom

Yes kindergarten but still too advanced for you, some anon posted something about you not getting also, but you still think you do… It is too long to write about it… go ask some specialized forum about it but I don't think you will get it, you seem to want to skip shit like you are going to die tomorrow or something, you won't get it this way… Have patience.


 No.246407

File: 56d3169f392e1ab⋯.jpg (27.11 KB, 500x335, 100:67, fortune cookies.jpg)

>>246337

Still waiting on you to post some Taoist "wisdom"…


 No.246415

>>246337

But you won't post it.

You'll just try to talk down to me and keep pretending you have some special magical knowledge that is beyond words.

Typical Mystic.


 No.246465

>>246228

lack of metanarrative


 No.246512

>>246465

oooh.. so cryptic.

This is another example of how Western thought kicks the shit out of Eastern philosophy.

The Stoic taught you should speak plainly and call things by their proper names.


 No.246521

>>246512

Stoicism is retarded and pointless.


 No.246536

>>246123

Duchamp did nothing wrong.


 No.247693

File: d6a7795660d67b3⋯.jpeg (207.61 KB, 1124x632, 281:158, WiZarD.jpeg)

>>246223

老師/老师 Shifu:

They can't understand Daodejing because it is nondual, Laozi wrote it without ego. Everything that is personal, related to the ego is excluded. The picture is that of a sage who stands outside the affairs of the world. Liberated from his ego, he contemplates the laws of life and so realizes that knowing how to become free of blame is the highest good.

In adversity, it furthers one to be persevering. Thus great men live: they veil their light, but still shine.

~Gua 36, Yijing :^)


 No.247697

>>244820

>implying that book doesn't have everything to do with Zen

retard


 No.248700

>>238044

You need to get the writings of Philosophical Taoism and not the Religions version. Taoists were essentially the worlds first documented libertarians.


 No.249897

File: 616eff312ce8317⋯.jpg (515.56 KB, 1000x750, 4:3, WiZarD5.jpg)

>>248700

Daodejing summary: The highest good is to remain innocent.

In reality the highest good is to remain innocent, but that is almost impossible, so I settle for being free of blame.

For Laozi, the legendary author of the enigmatic aphorisms in this brief work, the Dao is the name for ultimate reality, yet the eternal Dao defies all names and descriptions. Images can only suggest its vast and mysterious creative potential. It is like water, giving and sustaining life, always moving, yet never striving.

While the essence of the Dao remains elusive and beyond our comprehension, we may observe the Dao as it reveals itself in the natural development of things. By stripping away our selfish desires and fears and accepting the world as it is, we can imitate the Dao and discover in ourselves De, or natural virtue and moral strength.

The person at one with the Dao gives unselfishly and effortlessly to others without trying to control their actions. Modest, yielding, tolerant, impartial, and patient, the sage lives a simple and tranquil life and realizes the principle of wu-wei, working without effort, accomplishing without concern for reward or results.

Written during the age of political anarchy and social decadence known as “The Period of Warring States” (5th-3rd centuries b.c.e.), the Dao De Jing addresses problems of wise government as much as right personal conduct. Humility is the mark of a wise leader, who rules by virtuous example rather than by interference with other countries or in the lives of the people. With a minimum of laws and regulations and without fear of punishment and harsh taxes, people will order themselves according to their own nature and innate virtue. Ruled with a light hand, they will live long lives of few needs and in peace with their neighbors.


 No.249914

>>249897

Summary of Laozi core 33 Chapters

1) Dao is beyond word or form

This is emphasized in the first chapter of the entire text: The Dao that can be spoken is not the enduring and unchanging Dao. (Chapter 1) Why is this important in the cultivation of Dao? It is because people often confuse things with their descriptions, which are limited and subjected to change. In the cultivation of this steady and formless Dao, the goal is to realize It, not to fixate on the description(s) of It. Therefore before speaking more about the Dao, Laozi reminds us up front that the following are merely descriptions, do not attach to the words and descriptions, become It instead. This is similar to the Zen master pointing his finger to the moon, do not fixate your attention at his finger, it is (as are the teachings of DaoDeJing) a pointer to the Truth (Dao).

2) Nature of Dao

Here is how Laozi describes the Dao: It cannot be seen, heard, felt, named, and is beyond all forms (Ch.1, 14, 35, 67). It exists before heaven and earth, is the mother and foundation law of the sky, earth and human, is independent, everlasting, and without end (Ch.25). It is impartial and treat everything equal (Ch.5). It is both small (no desire and takes no credit) and big (manifest all things) (Ch.34, 51). It is like a limitless valley/vessel which is the source of everything (Ch.4, 6, 11, 32, 34, 35). It is like water that nurtures everything, and can be found from the lowest/deepest place of the world (Ch.8). It is everywhere (Ch.34)

3) Characteristics of human life identified with the Dao

Apart from being described as an objective reality, the Dao is to be realized subjectively by human being. Those who identified with the Dao have the following characteristics: One puts its “self” last, as if its “self” is foreign (Ch.7). One knows and conquers its “self” (Ch.33). One knows one knows nothing and therefore transcend the sickness of the “self” (Ch.71). One abides and centers in the end of emptiness and stillness, transcended & nonattached (Ch.16, 26, 33, 52). One welcomes any situation (Ch.23). One saves all people and all things, embrace and treat them as valuable assets (Ch.27). One has and need no excess (Ch.29). One acts on the Dao diligently instead of just knowing or talking about it (Ch.41). One is ordinary yet precious, like a jade under coarse clothes (Ch.70).

4) Benefits of Dao cultivation

Why did Laozi recommend cultivating Dao? It is because through cultivating and realizing the Dao, one transcends its “self” and will achieve real longevity: life beyond physicality (Ch.33, 52), will abide in everlasting peace without any trouble (Ch.52), will be freed of hazards to the “self” (Ch.55), and its body will becomes healthy, soft, and full of energy (Ch.55).

5) Pathway to the Dao

With the end point described, Laozi had prescribed detailed methods to cultivate the Dao. First, one seeks to understand and transcend his “self” (Ch.33). One learns about the duality of yin and yang, and abides in the yin (Ch.28). One abides in the center/root, accept things as destiny and as normal (Ch.16, 26). Then one surrenders its “self” until non-self and non-doing (Ch.48). One practices “selfless” living, where one puts its “self” last, and treats himself foreign (Ch.7). One fills the holes where “the self” could arise, and shuts the doors where the mind would scatter (Ch.52). One welcomes every phenomenon without attachment or resistance (Ch.23). One diligently says and acts on the Dao (Ch.41, 70). One fights with kindness, economy, selflessness (Ch.67). When encountering hatred, one dissolves it instead of returning hatred (Ch.79).

6) Barriers along the pathway

What are some of the barriers along the pathway? The main one is the “self”. There is attachment to a “self” doing (not doing) and one could be drawn to forcing and manipulation (Ch.29, 32). As one proceeds, the “self” would claim that it knows through thinking (Ch.71). Deeper inside the self could identify and attach himself as existence (Ch.7), and could attach himself to forms, and names (Ch.1).

7) Theme of DaoDeJing

While some of the description or method may seem abstract or difficult to understand, one could understand all if one get the core of the teachings, which is non-self and non-doing. When one transcends the habit of a “self” claiming ownership and doership, one realizes the state of non-self and acts in the world in non-doing. Body and mental activities goes on, even the individual mind and awareness goes on, but one is identified with the Dao which is beyond yet inclusive of all of the above. In such state, therefore, there is no “self” and no one “doing”. This condition is described in detail in…

http://lisiming.net/chinese-philosophy/daoist/daoist-philosophy/summary-of-laozi-core-33-chapters/


 No.249918

File: 2bcbfaefc143537⋯.jpg (718.45 KB, 3200x2400, 4:3, JzekRwc.jpg)


 No.249950

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>249918

The Neuroscience of the Do Nothing Meditation

There is some very interesting recent neuroscience that backs this idea up. The posterior cingulate cortex (PCC) is a brain structure that is a major player in the default mode network (DMN). The default mode network is active whenever we are distracted and thinking about ourselves. One major study showed that DMN activity is strongly correlated with negative affect, meaning that this preoccupation with the self makes you feel bad. FMRI brain scans show, however, that the activity of the PCC decreases when we let go of the feeling of doing anything. The more it feels like things are just effortlessly happening, the more your PCC and default mode network slow down, which is great for feeling good. In fact, this feeling of letting go and allowing everything to just effortlessly unfold is one of the hallmarks of the flow state, or a peak experience. Most peak experiences only happen with something that we’ve been practicing for years that has become so automatic that it seems effortless. But with the Do Nothing meditation, you can touch a flow state relatively quickly and easily. And if it goes very well you may notice your awakened mind.

https://deconstructingyourself.com/do-nothing-meditation.html


 No.249953

>>248700

I think most of the translations you see don;'t include the extra religious texts.


 No.249954

>>249918

>WHEN all the world recognises beauty as beauty, this in itself is ugliness.

>When all the world recognises good as good, this in itself is evil.

This guy was warning about the dangers of groupthink two and a half goddamn millennia ago.


 No.251807

File: 992d30655b22814⋯.jpg (63.02 KB, 656x413, 656:413, kjuhytgeu765432we3dfdrsxzc….jpg)

>>238044

Every ending is a new beginning.


 No.251808

File: 4b87c78e3841647⋯.png (360.67 KB, 1024x605, 1024:605, 1hgufhrrjhgjgri77655678854….png)


 No.251829

File: 62013cfc30beb2d⋯.png (195.48 KB, 500x733, 500:733, 4r64654tr6frfhgtght5t65765….png)


 No.252396

File: e908c816d985728⋯.jpg (44.53 KB, 500x409, 500:409, mystery men Sphinx Quote 0….jpg)

>>247693

>they veil their light, but still shine.

There's that Taoist love of formulaic sayings again. I just don't think word play and paradoxes make you wise.

Is the Sphinx from the movie "Mystery Men" a Taoist?


 No.252416

File: ce10085eba8f2a8⋯.jpg (19.26 KB, 289x361, 289:361, star-wars-quote-the-force-….jpg)

>>249914

> It cannot be seen, heard, felt, named, and is beyond all forms

wow.. so groovy.

But Star Wars expressed it better. (see pic)

But I doubt you can do the Jedi mind trick, see into the future, or move stuff with your mind,, so what's point of this rubbish?


 No.252425

To shitpost, one must post shit.

To effortpost, one must expend effort.

To expend effort posting shit, one reaches autism.


 No.252458

>>246407

>>246415

No… I can't explain to you in fact, you have not proven yourself worthy AND idc, why should I waste my time trying to teach you something you are obviously not ready for and there is no gain for me on any level? There is no point, I am already helping you but you are just too stupid to not see, I can't help you anymore, I am sorry… Seek someone who cares…


 No.255138

>>252458

ohhhh. I'm not worthy to listen to your babble.

Oh woe is me. I'm not worthy.

I will never weld Mjolnir, or pull excalibur from the stone or live in a fairy tale.

Have fun changing the world by being still, you worthless mystic.


 No.256441

>>255138

>>252425

Nothing to get, do, or be.

Thank you for the story of you someplace in time.


 No.256452

>>238044

The Tao Te Ching is a great book actually. You're just too much of a dumb nigger to understand it.


 No.256493

File: cf91e5baedc57dc⋯.jpg (563.05 KB, 1920x2560, 3:4, tao of pooh.jpg)

>>256452

So great and deep it's best explained with Disney characters.

“Lots of people talk to animals…Not very many listen though…that's the problem.”

― Benjamin Hoff, The Tao of Pooh

What did your stuffed bear share with you today, oh great and wise mystic?


 No.256818

File: 7ce13ef161ad69b⋯.jpg (11.39 KB, 250x187, 250:187, four olds.jpg)

Don't underestimate how toxic this Taoist Crap is.

China was a great Civilization until around 1200, when this crap way of thinking spread. While they were all trying to be "formless" and shit, their Empire fell apart. Technological progress just stopped. They got invaded and completely conquered by the Mongols, (mere steppe niggers)

It took Mao to ruthlessly purge this shit from Chinese Culture and put them back on track.


 No.256831

File: 707c95d02ff85d8⋯.jpg (13.46 KB, 232x185, 232:185, 707c95d02ff85d8cade24427b2….jpg)

>>256818

>It took Mao to ruthlessly purge this shit from Chinese Culture and put them back on track.

And Maoist China was literally when China was its most poverty-stricken and miserable before the economic reforms made it semi-caitalist

And he still failed anyways. Go back to leftypol


 No.256841

>>256818

"human nature"


 No.256903

>>256493

>strawmanning

Some nigger making a mock-version of a text doesn't invalidate the text itself.


 No.257339

File: d370abc8e6e528c⋯.jpg (60.71 KB, 658x370, 329:185, gurus.jpg)

>>256831

Any society that embraces Mysticism over Materialism turns to shit.

Look at India.. Did you know they had cannons before the Europeans, then the gurus took over.

Now they wash themselves in a "holy river" filled with garbage and corpses.

They have a temple infested with Rats and think that's a sign it's magic.

follow the mystic line of thinking and you end up like that.


 No.257393

File: 518baaf4ba144c0⋯.jpg (132.82 KB, 1080x1349, 1080:1349, meat.jpg)

>>257339

It is a shortcut, also if i didnt involve some kind of prestige/social conditioning then they wouldnt be gurus.


 No.258772

>>257393

A shortcut?

A Short cut to what? oblivion;

Sure there's some prestige to being a guru, shaman or what-not. People kiss your ass and don't have to produce anything, just be mysterious and let the proles imagination do the rest.

According to "The Golden Bough" the classic study of magic and mysticism by anthropologist. James Fraiser: The most successful mystics know they are frauds.

Lao Tzu knew he was pulling your leg.




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