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When you think about something and then forget it, the information is lost forever. This violates the laws of thermodynamics.



you're attention moves to something else, your attention is the energy in this case



Sure, but where is the original thought I forgot? Nowhere. It's lost forever. No information can be lost. This is is a violation of physics.



OP is a dumbnigger that got his physics syllabus emailed to him today.




I still can't remember why or how i ended up on 8chan. I think the cia put me here



you're link doestn work???? *?????????????**



>the information is lost forever.

…Until you remember it again.



Op btfo



Thoughts are like lightbulbs. But you can only see them when they light up. They turn invisible when dark but the glass and filament is still there. Your attention is the electricity. So the thought is still there but you just can't see it.


Physics isn't downstream of language. You conflate things that are different because they use the same word



Weak clap back, fag



I keep coming back help


The existence of anything violates the laws of thermodynamics nigger.


Information is organized energy, when you forget something the information becomes disorganized.

This doesn't violate thermodynamics, it IS thermodynamics. (law 2)



It's not about what the fuck is an information, but WHERE it goes once you forget it. It is gone from the Universe. The information is lost forever. No trace. That is a direction violation of physics.



If every thought would go dark, there would be billions of billions of "dark" thoughts and my brain would soon explode. That is a nonsense. The information is lost forever. This breaks the physics.



Thoughts don't take up physical space ya dolt.



I don't care what they take or not. If I forget my thought, the information is lost forever. And by the laws of physics, that is impossible.


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Crazy how there's massive clumps of dark matter swirling around the galaxy and fucking up all our measurements and shit



Information is not matter or energy, it is a pattern of such. Scramble the pattern and there is no information, yet the same matter and energy that carried it still exists. If you flatten a sandcastle, the sand still exists. If you melt an ice sculpture, the water still exists. Thermodynamics only says matter and energy cannot be destroyed, it doesn't say that patterns can't be lost.



It's almost as if modern science is pozzed retardation, and 'dark matter' is just an excuse to cover the fact that the observations are complete bullshit.



The observations we're talking about are as basic as it gets, we simply look at pictures of galaxies over time to see how they're moving. We may not know much about the actual mechanisms of gravity, but we do know that how objects affect each other's motion via gravity is tied directly to mass, and that goes for groups of objects as well. The equations aren't even relatively very complex. The problem is, according to these basic and reliable equations, galaxies are moving as if they have way more mass than we can actually see in them. There are two possibilities, then. Either galaxies are a special exception to physics as we know it, or there is simply mass in them that we can't see and have yet to identify.



I find it amazing that we've built up such a massive amount of scientific knowledge and yet we don't really know why the fuck galaxies don't spin normally



If information cannot be lost, you must be able to reconstruct it with superpowerful computers one day. That will be still impossible for thoughts. How exactly are you going to do that? You could calcuate it for the sand castles.


Bump! Idiots! I demand answers! What the fuck are you doing here otherwise than pleasing me with your replies? Fucking get back here or I will fucking spam you death.



based insane OP spammer



The two possibilities for all of modern science doctrine is either it's wrong or some crazy wacko shit exists which makes the wrong equations work out… kinda.

It's honestly like reading a 60s cultural marxist after the gulag shit came out. oy vey word salad therefore marxism is not to blame.



The concept of information in physics is different from your concept of information. You can't use these two different concepts to disprove one



This nigger pretending throughout the thread that remembering things once forgotten is not a thing. What the fuck is wrong with you?


Sage because you're a nigger.




Where is the fucking information I have forgotten, you bloody idiots? WHERE IS IT? If I will never recall the information of the thought, the information is lost FOREVER.

How is that NOT violating every single laws of physics you can imagine? HOW? IT DOES! IT VIOLATES EVERYTHING.




Based psycho OP



Where do you think the data goes in your harddrive when you overwrite it? Whatever is stores information in your brain gets broken down and reused to store some other piece of information.



There's probably a reason you're sperging out about this on an image board rather than giving a professional lecture in person to a group of highly esteemed intellectuals and physicists.



Sure it gets reused. But according to laws of physics, no information can be lost forever. So how the fuck do you recreate it? How do you re-calculate the information? By laws of thermodynamics this must be possible, yet it is not!


I need a simple answer for extremely complex question.



People get concussions and reawaken all kinds of repressed memories, and sometimes even learn to speak new languages they didn't have a grasp on before.



I care about one specific thought I have forgotten. I will not wait to be reawaken after an accident to reanimate my repressed memories. Any lost information cannot be a slave of an accident to be re-materialized. I demand answer how to find a lost thought, as no information can be lost according to thermodynamics.



How do you know what it is and how specific it is if you forgot it?



Maybe if you weren't so sought after it, it would just come to you one day. The fact you're trying so hard to remember what you forgot is why you aren't going to be able to reach it.



It doesn't matter. I'm simply aware I had a thought about something very specific and then I forgot it. For example I had a thought of naming my daughter with two specific unique names, but I forgot both. The information aka those two names must be possible to re-calculate from my brain or heat according to laws of physics. BUT HOW?


I don't care about if I will remember it or not. The debate is not about how hard I try to remember something, rather that an information of a thought can be lost forever in any brain, which is a violation of thermodynamics laws.



We can only assume consciousness works with the laws of quantum physics. Thoughts, ideas, you, they don't necessarily have to abide by the laws of the universe as we understand them yet.


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There are 4 laws to thermodynamics, and they are some of the most important laws in all of physics. The laws are as follows

4) Zeroth law of thermodynamics – If two thermodynamic systems are each in thermal equilibrium with a third, then they are in thermal equilibrium with each other.

1) First law of thermodynamics – Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It can only change forms. In any process, the total energy of the universe remains the same. For a thermodynamic cycle the net heat supplied to the system equals the net work done by the system.

2) Second law of thermodynamics – The entropy of an isolated system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium.

3) Third law of thermodynamics – As temperature approaches absolute zero, the entropy of a system approaches a constant minimum.

Do nothing meditation Monk.



You're absolutely right. A dude posting on /b2/ that doesn't understand thermodynamics or what information is has just bested the greatest minds of physics.

Collect your nobel prize, you've defeated the past 100 years of physics.



Stop being butthurt and answer my goddamn question! What the fuck is wrong with you. I demand that you will respect my questions.


I already know the laws of thermodynamics. Are you stupid?


Our mind cannot be an unique exception in the whole Universe. We must find the answer. We must find it now. I demand it.


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Does this trigger you?



I can re-calculate the information lost in the fire by supercomputing the heat released. How do I do that with a thought? I cannot. Explain this to me. Explain this to me right fucking now.



You cannot recalculate the text contents of the pages. This is impossible.



You could not calculate it for the sand castle. The chaotic motion of the particulates cannot be rewound or traced back, even with a supercomputer the size of the universe.


Not how memory works. This is great sorry bait btw







Then it means they all break the laws of physics. I demand answers how is that possible. I demand them now. Why do I have to wait hours for another reply? Unbelievable how slow this fucking site is.


OP is a fucking retard.



Cringe. Fucking idiot thinks he can sage my thread.




>Nowhere. It's lost forever. No information can be lost. This is is a violation of physics.

that's not the way it works, look up entropy






>Then it means they all break the laws of physics.

tell me specifically why you think that



I don't give a fuck about entropy. I don't give fuck how you think things work. You will fucking explain to me where the fuck the lost thought goes from my brain. Because it goes nowhere. And that violates the law of which no information can be lost. Fucking explain this. Explain this right fucking now.


Retard. One more time and you will get IPD permaban.


Because no information can be lost according to laws of physics. Laws of thermodynamics make sure no energy is lost. So how do I do it with my forgotten thoughts in my brain? I can't. Violation of laws.



>Why do I have to wait hours for another reply? Unbelievable how slow this fucking site is.

exactly anons up your fucking game.



You are just pretending to be retarded, right?






No, you stupid niggerfaggot.

Memories are simply arranged and in disarray given your organic nature, therefore the second you forget, it's just scrambled. This is aligned to the laws.



I don't GIVE A FUCK about how they are arranged or scrambled. WHERE IS THE FUCKING LOST THOUGHT AKA THE LOST INFORMATION? It cannot be destroyed or lost forever. That breaks the physics. You will fucking bend to my question and answer it properly.



It goes into another parallel universe where someone else has it. It never really was your thought to begin with. This should be obvious frome einstein's law of relativity.






I just did. Have you not read about the infinity of universes?



Our thoughts cannot be an exception in the whole universe how laws of physics work.


>brain has information (arrangement of matter and energy)

>matter and energy of brain changes

>the infrared radiation, electrochemical profikes, temperature profiles, altered composition of the brain, and its state (including thoughts) at time T+1 can determine its state at time T

The fact that you don't have the resources to completely observe and record (much less understand) the information generated as you forget a thought doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



He has a good point dumb ass redditor.



Physics never once says that this data cannot be lost. I repeat, there is nothing in physics that says this cannot happen. The discrepancy you are sperging about here Does. Not. Exist.



Finally a reasonable answer. Thank you, anon. I am mildly satisfied with your answer and will consider closing the thread.


Completely false. No information can be lost. That is the law. And you will not break the law with your comments.



>That is the law.

According to which law? Because you bring up the laws of thermodynamics, but none of them say this.

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