No.101238
>you fight like Arryungar Mahn with nothing held back
what did nolan mean by this?
No.101239
>>101238
Arryungar Mahn was an admirable fighter Bane knew from back in the day. Admirable but often mistaken.
No.101241
>>101239
the extended universe is so deep
No.101267
>>101241
I have to wonder if Arryungar Mahn was a colleague of CIA. CIA did know who Bane was and seemed to have a history with him. His demeanor when questioning Bane was one of intense emotion. As if he was looking at the guy who killed a good friend or something…
No.101269
>>101267
Wait wait wait.
So was Bane antagonizing CIA when he said
>Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a Mahn before throwing him out of a plane.
?
No.101273
>>101269
>yfw this is true
>yfw you realize that Bane has crashed planes before which explains why he was so confident in his master plan and why it worked so well, as if he had done that sort of thing before.
>Bane at one point had to fight CIA's friend, Arryungar Mahn, on a plane that Bane was trying to crash
>An admirable fighter, he almost bests Bane but makes the mistake of trying to throw him out of the plane without shooting him.
>this proves to be his undoing and Bane counters by having Arryungar Mahn shot before he thrown out of the plane which is subsequently crashed with no survivors.
>Flight plan and black box indicates this, CIA swears revenge on Bane
This explains why CIA who originally did not want to let Dr. Pavel bring "friends" is suddenly interested when Masketta tells him that the hooded men work for Bane ("BANE?"). It also explains CIA's change in demeanor when Bane says:
>Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a Mahn before throwing him out of a plane.
Because CIA adopted the practice after realizing not doing so is what got his friend killed. The whole tale is one of revenge, a lust for revenge that can prove to be one's undoing. This is very much a theme explored in the extended universe as well. Nolan does it again.
B R A V O N O L A N
No.101278
>>101273
>>An admirable fighter, he almost bests Bane but makes the mistake of trying to throw him out of the plane without shooting him.
Makes one wonder how Arryungar Mahn looked like. Was he a big guy as well? Maybe CIA looked up to him. I can't see him being a hothead but would not shooting a man before throwing him out of a plane count as a hotheaded move or did he simply not have the chance since Bane is the pinnacle of manliness?
No.101279
>>101278
>Able to throw Bane out of a plane (though one presumes he'd grab onto the door or a wing to pull himself back in)
>Prompts Bane to later reply that he's only big for CIA
The evidence is strong that A. Mahn was a big guy. Bigger than Bane.
No.101280
>>101279
>Bigger than Bane.
>this is why Batman was trying to fight like him but couldn't.
>because he wasn't big enough
No.101287
>>101273
>"a lust for revenge that can prove to be one's undoing" WHO?!
No.101300
>>101287
>Kojima and Nolan are actually the same person
THE RUSE CRUISE HAS NO BRAKES
No.101318
>>101279
>Bigger than Bane
Do you think Bane stole the mask from Arryungar Mahn? After defeating him people finnally cared who he was because the mask was proof he killed Arryungar Mahn?
No.101323
>>101318
>It would be extremely painful for Bane to take off his mask since it would remind him of the painful times when no one cared who he was.
BRAVO NOLAN
No.101324
>>101273
>>Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a Mahn before throwing him out of a plane.
Correction:
>>Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot A. Mahn before throwing him out of a plane.
>>101269
Taunting him indeed with details of his death. Possibly details no one else would know unless they were agents or at the scene of the crime.
No.101330
>>101324
A. Junger Mann
German confirmed.
No.101336
>>101330
Herr Pavel, ich bin BND.
No.101339
This is one of the best threads we've had in a while
Someone save this thread before it's found in the old 8ch website wreckage.
No.101344
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>>101330
>German
>Larger than Bane
>May have actually been too much for him to handle
>Had to be shot to crash his plane
>Worked for the government
At this point it is becoming increasingly clear that the government was trying to create their own armies of big guys. Mahn was a super-soldier created by former Nazi scientists in a secret bunker in Germany that was the last of his kind due to the fact that he was created via an experimental formula at the end of the war in a desperate bid to turn things around. However, there wasn't enough time to salvage the war effort. With the war essentially over before more work could be done and Mahn being forced into a tight situation, he decided to work the American government, rejecting other offers in favor of theirs. America tried to create their own army of big guys using remnants of the formula found but each version was smaller than the original since the original was a tailor-made test formula for Mahn specifically.
It's all too clear now. Now we understand why Bane wanted Dr. Pavel. Bane wanted to have Dr. Pavel make a formula that would make him even bigger. Thanks to modern technology and Pavel's work in nuclear science, Bane wanted an atomic solution to the problem America's scientists had when creating the formula. Something that could make a big guy big, could make a big guy even bigger. The solution to that problem, the special component for this new formula that would give Bane the edge?
Gamma radiation.
Pic very much related.
B R A V O N O L A N
No.101345
>>101238
It's Ayung Minn Nadinkhel Bak, presumably one of Bane's mentors.
No.101346
No.101356
>>101344
>Something that could make a big guy big
Meant "make a small guy big"
No.101544
>>101273
I can't believe all of the evidence has been right under our noses this whole time. If I was at a full keyboard right now I'd update the Wiki.
>>101323
DEEPEST LORE
No.101575
>>101269
>Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a Mahn before throwing him out of a plane.
This went completely over our heads over the years.
BRAVO
No.101597
found a photo of him before the final showdown with bane
No.101610
>>101597
You're a pink guy
No.101723
This is the hottest new fire I've seen in weeks, Brothers.
No.101726
>>101267
>His demeanor when questioning Bane was one of intense emotion. As if he was looking at the guy who killed a good friend or something…
The look of a man who thinks he shall finally get his revenge.
No.101796
>>101723
they expect one of in the archive, brother
No.101863
>>101344
Doesn't that contradict the expanded universe, though? Bane wanted Pavel for the nuclear bomb that would destroy Gotham.
No.101890
>>101863
>nuclear bomb
>yfw Bane wanted reproduce the explosion that gave rise to the Hulk.
No.101923
someone add this to the wiki plz
No.101932
this nearly trumps the "Alfred is Bane" thread
No.101950
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>>101932
I wonder, is Arryungar Mahn really dead? Him surviving would have been nothing short of a miracle.
No.101993
I know I'm not the only brother here who holds the belief that, at least, Bane and CIA are brothers (I extend this to Masketta and Bruce Wayne in the expanded universe as well). But my central pillar of that theory is that they all share the same last name: Man. As stated in the Bravo scripts (CIA Man, Masked Man, Militia Man, Bat Man).
Perhaps I've been spelling it wrong. Or perhaps there simply is a fifth brother. This is a terrifying development.
No.102040
>>101279
If he was bigger than bane, then how could he lose?
Bane was the small guy in the equation, and small guys always lose
No.102056
No.102059
>>102040
>yfw Arryungar Mahn used venom and when he was shot, they hit a venom tube, causing him to lose venom and thus lose size and thus become smaller, allowing him to not only be thrown from the plane but for the mask to come off since it did not fit him anymore.
The idea that Bane got his mask from Mahn makes more and more sense.
No.102061
>>101993
Don't forget about the mystery of Dr. Pavel's name.
Pavel is a first name, not a surname. More over, CIA refers to him as Paveleer, presumably Pavel is the shortened version of his full first name. Last names aren't shortened, only given names are.
While it is strange to refer to a doctor by their title and first name, it does prove that there is some mystery shrouding his last name. It is clearly guarded information. Perhaps CIA doesn't even know what Pavel's last name is, as Dr. Pavel told him nothing.
Could it be? Is Dr. Pavel a secret lost brother of the Man's?
Dr. Paveleer Man
No.102063
>>102059
So bane didn't even need the mask for health reason?
So in pic related he was just shocked that batman had damaged his trophy?
No.102064
>>102040
"It's not the size of the guy in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the guy."
-Mark Twain?
No.102065
>>102064
“God created war so that Americans would learn geography.”
― Mark Twain
No.102066
>>102063
That's one reason. The mask has many uses >>101323
No.102191
>>101923
DO we put it under a separate category like the Bane = Alfred theory or under "Arryungar Mahn" as a regular person or both? I don't know shit about writing up an article.
No.102308
>>101544
>>101923
>>102191
I don't have time to write up the whole thing right now, but here's a basic page for the character. Feel free to add to it.
http://bane.wikia.com/wiki/Arryungar_Mahn
No.102318
No.102319
>you fight like Arryungar Mahn with Knuthing Heldbak
Bane was implying that Batman tried fighting like two men.
No.102323
>>102319
>Nothing! I said nothing!
What if we've been misreading that line the entire time?
>Knuthing! I said, Knuthing!
Back that up a couple seconds and it sounds like Dr. Pavel is trying to get CIA's attention to tell him something.
CIA'S REAL NAME IS KNUTHING HELDBAK
No.102329
>>102319
>Knuthing Hildbeck
Perhaps these were teachers of both Bane and the bat person? It is implied that they learned martial arts from the same institution. This means that Bane is able to ascertain a fighter's instructors from their own personal styles. He fights like Arryunger Mahn, Knuthing Hildbek and Admir Aeble, who all fight similarly, but with a little Myst Akehn thrown in.
Bravo, Nolan.
No.102471
>>102323
This would explain how CIA knew to shot a man before throwing him out of a plane, since he had trained with A. Mahn in the past. It would also explain why Bane gives Dr.Pavel that strange look, like he is wondering "Why does he know this agents name?".
No.102485
>>102323
Perhaps he was revealing to Bane that he had told CIA information about Knuthing. He isn't a native English speaker, hence the strange grammar of the exclamation, but it's understandable enough to make Bane understand, shown by Bane's immediate shock upon being told this.
Just what did Pavel know about Knuthing that was so valuable to CIA?
No.103179
No.104100
>>102323
>>101238
>>101273
>>101239
this thread just keeps getting better
No.104103
>>101273
>>102323
The first plane Bane crashed had one survivor: Knuthing Heldback Admirable
CIA needed him for information and ONLY Dr. Pavel knew were he was.
>>101238
>You fight like Arryungar Mahn with Knuithing Heldback Admirable
>but mistaken
Which indicates that batman wasn't perfect at their style
No.104113
>>102319
>>102323
>with Knuthing Heldbak
I don't know, but it sounds like the name of a weapon to me. Like the Gáe Bulg of Irish mythology. Maybe it's a gun or other modern weapon fashioned from the wreckage of a crashed plane?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A1e_Bulg
>It was made from the bone of a sea monster, the Coinchenn, that had died while fighting another sea monster, the Curruid. Although some sources make it out to be simply a particularly deadly spear, others—notably the Book of Leinster—state that it could only be used under very specialized, ritual conditions:
>The Gáe Bulg had to be made ready for use on a stream and cast from the fork of the toes. It entered a man's body with a single wound, like a javelin, then opened into thirty barbs. Only by cutting away the flesh could it be taken from that man's body.
Sounds like a big weapon you can only use if you are standing in ceremony.
No.104116
>>102485
Interesting theorem. I presume that Bane thought Knuthing was long dead. He mentions them to the furfag in the sewers because they were notable opponents. He is bluffing, of course. Knuthing and A. Mahn could take on Bane one handed. Bane must have gotten the drop on Knuthing with a cheap shot. That is the same case for A. Mahn's death, too. Its probable that A. Mahn is actually dead, however I suspect that Dr Pavel operated on Knuthing's wounds. Band caught wind of this and wanted Dr Pavel to say where Knuthings whereabouts are. He must have squealed, because Bane eventually disposes of Dr Pavel.
We are getting close, big guys. I feel we are close to the final answer.
No.104117
>>104116
What could Knuthing have that Bane wants? He already got the mask from A. Mahn, what does Knuthing have?
No.104119
>this thread
And some people say the extended universe isn't worth studying.
No.104122
>>101238
Wait wasn't bane talking to a hired gun in that scene? The dialogue went:
"You fight like a younger man, nothing held back. Admiral, Buyt Mystakn"
Who was Buyt? Why did Bane address him as admiral?
No.104126
>>104117
>what does Knuthing have?
Perhaps he has a bulletproof vest that can protect him from motorcycle gun rounds.
No.104209
>>104122
No, no, you are mistake. He is talking about Knuthing Heldbek. Knuthing was an admiral during the Prelude ages of Gotham.
No.104232
>"Yopreshi Sarmori, gratefully accepted"
What did Bane accept from this man?
No.104253
>>104232
Could he be referring to that silly car that drops from the ceiling? A make and model, perhaps?
No.104269
>>104232
Maybe Bane collects rubble.
No.105559
No.108331
Bumping this awesome thread
No.108357
>>101993
I have two thoughts
Think about how Mahn is actually pronounced in the movie by the characters. The "batman" is just a corruption of Bat Mahn. Only Bane calls him by his real name through out the film.
Maybe Bruce's fear of bats was symbolic of his fear of his family name and his brothers. When Bruce Mahn put on his own mask he abandoned his first name in favor of his "fear." Which goes back to the significance of the masks in general. Bat Mahn's mask of course reflects his fear. Bane's probably reflects his pain. However, did Bane change his own first name when he "put on the mask?" What significance does the name have then? What's his real name?
No.108364
>>108357
>Mahn
What if Wayne feared both Bats and Mahn? Maybe Mahn was a person known to be feared. By becoming Bat Mahn he became fear itself.
No.108376
>>108364
>>108357
By creating a mask, you discard your old identity in favor of someone people will care about, usually by taking something you fear for good reason and gaining power over it, thus becoming a Big Guy by becoming your fear.. That's why it'd be extremely painful to take of the mask, as you are robbed of your power and exposed to your fear. Bat Mahn is obvious, but what does Bane's mask indicate he is afraid of?
No.108401
>>101238
>>102323
>you fight like Arryungar Mahn with; Knuthing Heldbak, Admiral Bill-Bhut, Ms. Takken.
I'd like to know who this Admiral character is. Was he an unseen character in the first film. maybe on the boat that the microwave weapon was on. Did bane have something to do with that raid?
Who is Ms. Takken? I think in begins crane says to Rachel that she is Ms. Takken. an alias perhaps? was she fighting international terrorism and the DA job was a cover?