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4(U) More Years

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 No.105063

Who's the main character of The Plane Scene?

 No.105064

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I don't think there is a single main character. What is Bane without his masterplan? What is CIA without his prize? Both the prize and the masterplan depended on the plane. CIA's and Bane's destinies are inseparably interwoven. One could not exist without the other, yet - and here lies the irony and the tragedy of Nolan's masterpiece - one had to be destroyed so that the other could exist.

The plane might well be another dimension. Nothing outside the plane mattered, the only thing that mattered was the plan, which existed within the plane. The plane, therefore, embodies the fighting ground of destiny, which both CIA and Bane engaged in. It was their actions that decided the course of the world. Dr Pavelheer, meanwhile, embodies the submission to fate. He acknowledged this himself when he said nothing.

A more interesting question would be, who is the most tragic character in this story? CIA, who fought destiny and failed, or Dr Pavelheer, who didn't even have the courage to fight? Who is more tragic, the man that didn't fly so good from the highest peak, or the man that didn't even dare to climb? I believe this is a question each of us has to answer for himself.


 No.105071

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>>105064

BRAVO

Great analysis, brother.

However, I can't agree on the interpretation of doctor Pavel that you made. The way I see it, he is in fact not a character at all. He says nothing, he has no friends, he is there, but devoid of any humanity. He literally is a prize made flesh. A prize that both CIA and Bane want to grab.

CIA is obviously set up as the protagonist here. He is in charge, and the fact that he works for the agency definitely gives him the moral high ground. However, he is the one being undone when things go down. This puts everything we assumed in question. If he isn't in charge, is he moral ? Is he the protagonist, let alone the main character ?

The last candidate is Bane. In the first half he is only hinted at. Some of his features are given, but he remains a shadowy figure overall. Once he appears in full light, he proceeds to steal the attention for a short period. By revealing his plan, we would be tempted to think of him as the villain, however, he does not commit any violent acts for the whole scene (him punching CIA hardly has any effect) and even shows a comforting side when holding Pavel tightly. It may in fact be argued that he treats "the prize" in a more human fashion than CIA.

So who is the main character? The plot clearly revolves around Pavel, but he does very little aside from just being here. The real match up is between CIA and Bane. And here I would say that one is the continuity of the other. We start the journey with CIA. As Bane is introduced, CIA is progressively put in the background and totally forgotten, much like Bane didn't exist from a narrative point of view in the beginning. Nolan managed to create a perfect balance between the two. So my final answer would be that the CIA / Bane dichotomy is the main character of the movie.


 No.105072

Define main character


 No.105073

>>105063

It was the plane!


 No.105086

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When you think about it, isn't Maskette the main character?

The film opens with him driving his car, where we can see him contemplating the events that lay ahead of him before finally putting his hand on the wheel, showing that he's in control of the situation. It then cuts to a mysterious figure standing infront of a plane followed by a cut to three men in the back of Maskette's car showing the importance of his mission. Next, the mysterious figure introduces himself as "CIA" (and we didn't know this was his name before Maskette knew) and Maskette informs CIA that "He wasnt alone" showing he knows more about the situation than CIA does. When Pavel says "They are not my friends" it shows that Pavel truly cannot be the main character as Maskette has control over him. Maskette then goes on to explain that he has something that CIA wants.

Here's the real kicker though

"They work for the mercenary. The Maskette Man".

Maskette clearly says that Bane and Co. work for him. He has control over Pavel, CIA and Bane.

The rest of the plane scene might as well not exist, Maskette's already won by the time CIA calls it in. Which shows his true cunning. If there is a better main character than Maskette I'd like to know who.


 No.105091

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I just watched The Plane Scene again with this question in mind and realized the answer. Many of the above posters are correct. CIA and Bane share the The Plane Scene with striking equality. The Plane Scene lasts 5 minutes, give or take a few seconds. CIA remains in charge for the entirety of the first 2:29. It is at 2:30 that Bane becomes in charge. At 2:30, the camera shows Bane's plane flying above the ZS-NVB, a undoubted display of superiority. It is exactly at this point when the passengers of the ZS-NVB feel turbulence. It is at this point where the power transfers from CIA to Bane.

But CIA still must deliver one more line. He is now smiles. He feels his plane struggling in her final minutes of flight; he feels the nervousness of his men, and he hears SIR?'s cry of terror. He is in charge no more. Yet CIA was prepared for this moment to come. This is why he smiles. He remembers all of his years spent working for Agent C, his civilian life in Baltimore, his wife who will miss him… But he is prepared. He knew long before that it was his fate to crash with no survivors, and he realizes now that it is finally time to pay what is owed. He knows that it is his turn to fly so good. So he smiles and congratulates Bane on the success of his Master Plan, for it is has bested CIA's Flight Plan, the most prestigious in the land:

>"Well congratulations, you got yourself caught. What's the next step of your Master Plan?"

From one great leader to another, CIA asks Bane to grant him one final wish: to hear an explanation of the Master Plan from Bane himself–a request that Bane honors. This is the end for CIA and the beginning for Bane, a tragic but necessary way for the yin-yang relationship between the two to carry on its eternal duality.

The answer is that either they are both in charge or no one is in charge. The scene is perfectly split between the two in order to make the audience understand this. This is why the man in charge switches from CIA to Bane halfway through the scene.


 No.105095

>>105086

>>105091

From what you two say, I take it that Masketta is, in fact, not the main character, but God. He knew the events that would unfold. CIA knew that the day would come when Bane took charge, but he didn't know it was the day of the plane until he asked Masketta Man the most important question he ever asked: Bane?

Why did Masketta Man not just crash the plane himself? I think it's to show that while there is a higher power in charge, destiny is still ultimately driven by humans. All God does is create the opportunity for us to act, but it is up to to take it.

Furthermore, notice how the plane crashes back to the ground, with CIA in it? The earth symbolizes heaven, while the sky is the mortal world. While this sounds like a senseless paradox, it makes sense within the framework of Nolans philosophy: It is not the Masketta Man, but humans that shape the world with their desires and actions. Our world is vast and limitless, like the sky.


 No.105098

>>105091

So what you are saying is that it's a well balanced cinema masterpiece?


 No.105099

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>>105063

>not using the correct version


 No.105112

The Plane Scene isn't a character study, it's a portrait of an era.


 No.105130

>>105112

Brother! Do not get so hotheaded! For there is no one true portrait that portrays the plane scene. The plane scene has many depths, nooks and crannies to investigate, and to this day more discoveries are being made


 No.105772

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 No.105781

>>105130

I think we barely scratched the surface.

If only Dr. Pavel had said more.


 No.105787

All of the explanations in this thread have made excellent reading. A hearty Bravo Nolan to you all. Allow me to submit an alternative hypothesis:

The main character of the Plane Scene is the Plane itself.

Consider: the plane is the entity which is on the screen the most throughout the scene. Its character evolves along with the others. It undergoes a dramatic arc, full of meaning and symbolism. And all of the other characters are contained within it.

I think I will lose many people as I continue my train of thought here, however. So please feel free to disregard anything you feel is an abomination unto Nolan.

I suggest that the Plane is, in fact, not only a character, but the only female character present in the Plane Scene.

The Plane stands behind CIA in the opening, behind, yes, but equally present. It is a big piece of the classic "CIA-powerstance" shot, looming behind him, equally proud and in charge. It is a vital part of the flight plan, for without a plane, there can be no flight plan. It watches on as the negotiations takes place, expectant and ready to be boarded.

Once in the air, its role becomes even more crucial, playing the role of the assistant executioner to CIA in his little sleight of hand. The plane feels exultant, full of potential. One imagines it expects a feather in its cap as much as CIA does. But this changes with the arrival of Bane's Big Craft. It is the first character (other than Bane, who knows it is coming) to react, trying to warn its passengers about the threat, to no avail.

The way the plane is taken apart is a truly horrifying way to go for a plane. First its windows are shot open, exposing its delicate passengers to the outside world. Then it is physically grabbed and rendered helpless, its wings forced off by the force of Bigness that has grappled it. Finally, to add insult to injury, its tail is ripped off to allow the Ropetta Men access. All of this occurs as CIA, once the Plane's equal, is similarly defeated cruelly by Bane.

Finally, we see what I believe identifies the Plane as a woman. The relationship between CIA and the Plane now changes from that of equals, to that of a mother and child. CIA falls to the bottom of the plane, in the foetal position, where the Plane can best protect him in its vulnerable state. Bane, meanwhile, is busy continuing what can easily be viewed as a rape. He forcibly impregnates the Plane with a false passenger, and, in a twisted parody of birth, yanks Pavel out into the cold air, as the helpless mother Plane and her child are discarded, falling to the ground together as they rose only a few minutes before.


 No.105830

>>105063

>Who's the main character of The Plane Scene?

Batman




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