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4041e0 No.552

I'm sure you guys have seen this article before: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/01/13/the-shockingly-simple-math-behind-early-retirement/

I just want to bitch about what a load of bullshit it is.

He calls 50% a reasonable savings rate that will let you retire after 16 years, so I'll go with this figure. Let's do some reality checks:

If you make federal min. wage, this means living on $580 a month (!!!). Yeah, good luck, unless you live in a tent under the local overpass. But okay, that's minimum wage, right? Of course it's not enough.

Well, let's say you make the median income. This is 43k per household in US as of 2013, before tax. For the same year, the income tax is 15% if you are head of household. So after tax you get 37k. Now you must save a "reasonable" 50% of this, which means you must survive 1500 a month. On this 1500 a month, a whole household must survive. Let's say you were "smart" and didn't have kids, didn't have live-in girlfriend and will never marry. 1500 a month, for a single person, doesn't sound too bad, huh?

Well, I live on about that much currently. About half goes to paying rent (and I'm sharing my house, otherwise I'd be spending 2/3s on rent). Most of the rest goes to food. I don't have a car and have to beg friends to give me a ride to the mall. I have to scrape and scrunch to take a once-a-year vacation to a neighboring state. I commute on a shitty cheap bike that's literally falling apart because that's all I can afford. I can't visit my parents more often than yearly because of how expensive plane tickets are.

I don't mean to whine, all things considered my life, while being nothing to brag about, isn't terrible. But by this guy's logic, the "median household" would live at this income level for life. A young 20s dude can handle 1500/mo, but a 60 year old guy? What if I get cancer and have to pay for chemo?

And keep in mind that this is for the median. 50% of the households, not even individuals, make less than this, so for them it's even worse. Save 50% of your income and retire early? Lol, literally only possible if you're way at the top percentiles.

And where's this asshole getting these ridiculous ideas, anyhow? He says, "oh it's super easy, I did it myself without even trying lol". Well, here's the details: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/09/15/a-brief-history-of-the-stash-how-we-saved-from-zero-to-retirement-in-ten-years/

>comp. eng. degree

>got a job straight out of college

>that job paid 41k (in 1997!)

>no student loan because rich parents paid for college

>zero interest car loan because rich sister (16k for a 3 year old car, kek dem 90s)

>buys tons of expensive shit

>STILL manages to save 5k in one year despite that

>after 1 year, got a 35% raise to 58k (!!!)

>still paying $350/mo in rent

>after 3 years salary is now 77k

>riding the dotcom bubble for all its worth

>after 4 years (at 26 yo) manages to find a woman who is both wife material and has a 44k job

>both him and girlfriend continue to get raises

>le easy retirement lel

Well, fuck, buddy. Not only do you have one of the highest earning majors, not only did you happen to start your career during one of the biggest booms of this century, not only did you manage to easily find a wife-material girlfriend (forget retirement, just this at 26 is very good luck in this day and age lol), not only was your wife also raking it in, not only did you start out with a great salary and it just kept skyrocketing, not only did you find great roommates who weren't making your life miserable, not only did you have to pay ridiculously low rent, not only did you have a wealthy family that supported you through all the big expenses… Fuck, I'm gonna stop here because it gets depressing.

So basically, if you are very lucky and in the right place at the right time, you can retire early. Whoop dee fucking do, thanks internet blog man!

4041e0 No.553

Given these shit offerings, let me propose my own 100% guaranteed to work retirement plan:

>save/steal/borrow $300

>buy gun

>buy at least one bullet

>continue your life spending up to 100% of your income

>do not lose or sell gun

>upon retirement, point gun at self and pull trigger


dbbbb6 No.729

>>553

Hah, you're doing it wrong.

Buy said gun, point it at the author of the article, then ask him how much he would pay to buy it. After he pays you, you can give it to him bullet first. Now you retired and you didn't even have to save up.


8bd430 No.751

>>729

Well, if you intend to retire through illegal means, might as well skip the degree and become a drug dealer from the get go. But breaking the law is obviously undesirable for other reasons.

Granted, I guess I did shoot myself in the foot (ha) by saying

>save/steal/borrow $300

should have been

>save/beg/borrow $300


976351 No.754

>>751

Yeah man the financial system we're living on is self-destructive. It's just gonna get worse for ensuing generations. If people had bothered to educate themselves what's happening to their financial system they could've rebelled against it by now, but well, people tend to ignore the negative aspects of life until it punches them square in the face.

Either figure out how to start a business (Uber's a good example), learn to trade, or swear lifelong fealty to a business that services a public need. Pretty much your only options for being independent.

To look on the bright side, nations like India have been living by 3rd world standards we've bullied them into for a long time, America's simply having its debts come due. Really what's happening is an equilibrium of living standards (although the ultrarich that caused this mess are getting away scott free). You're not alone in this situation, we're all going down together.

I look forward to the increased levels of homelessness and social instability.


000000 No.792

Even though complete financial independence might not be possible in your situation, you shouldn't be so upset. You can probably still amass enough to count as your Fuck-You Money – a sum that will allow you to negotiate about your job's terms, for example, because you won't have fear of being sacked any more!

So yeah, you might not retire early after all, but you certainly can try and get yourself a better ride towards retirement.


8bd430 No.796

>>792

"It's better than nothing" is not a convincing argument for us people who already have more than nothing.


11ed28 No.819

Don't forget the guy makes thousands in ad revenue from his blog.


11ed28 No.820

>>754

>If people had bothered to educate themselves what's happening to their financial system they could've rebelled against it by now, but well, people tend to ignore the negative aspects of life until it punches them square in the face.

As long as people get their bread, they won't revolt. There's plenty of things to complain about and there's much that can be done about it. The sad truth is that most people simply don't care enough to do anything about it. There is a limit of course, but it hasn't been crossed yet.




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