/bmw/ - The Bureau of Memetic Warfare

>>5251

yes pls.

Jewbro did a good thread on this on 4pol the other week. I'll see if I can find.

Pepe is my pet example of a meme that interacts with an archetype. The ultimate source of all pepes was a comic by a no-name artist in which there was a smiling frog that says "feels good man". The comic didn't spread very far and didn't tend to mutate. The frog head was cropped out, but still said "feels good man". This frog named pepe was still not a meme, as it did not tend to mutate. The first version of this frog that I would call a meme would be when his smile was turned upside down and he said "Feels bad man". This was the first one (as I understand it) that really started spreading and started mutating. The most popular mutation lead to the other popular forms. The first "pepe" that wasn't just from that comic was the sad pepe. The sad pepe mutated, creating the smug pepe and the furiously reclusive fucking normies reeee pepe. The smug pepe itself mutated to give rise to the autistic gbp pepe. In my own autistic musings, I noticed something. The trickster archetype, manifested as loki, eris, and other gods of various pantheons, when caught in a trick by one with the power to punish, becomes greatly depressed at even a scolding. When the trickster is not caught, or is caught only by those who are powerless against him/her, the trickster gets anime girl levels of smug. There are occasions at which the trickster may cross a line too great, and is cast out from society. To a being so greatly wounded by a verbal rebuke, total rejection is absolutely devastating. As a defense mechanism, the trickster doubles down, and chooses to make the rejection mutual. The autistic gbp frog is the trickster in a permanent state of having tricked those who cannot or will not rebuke him. This is how a meme may relate to an archetype.

>>5280

>So, erm, are there any particular questions?

Isn't archetypes memes?

>>5280

Berry gud.

Here is an idea, lets refer to a non-repeating idea as a kern. It has the potential to germinate. When an a kern turns to meme, and the meme comes to an end, it might be interesting to locate the aglet, the last example of mutation.

>>5285

The meat of the brain has built in firmware, some patterns always arise regardless of cultural background. Carl Jung and other such psychologists/sociologists compared mytholoies around the world and determined as much, finding some many distinct character types that always arise. The trickster, the father, the mother, the dragon, etc.

Kind of funny, most heads of pantheons start out as the trickster in early tales, from Yahweh to Quetzacoatl. Kind of funny, we are the trickster of the web.

Analyzing my pics, after the huge balls of Yahweh;

We have our designated eternal enemy. The one who always impedes. We have a god of sleep, who evokes comfy times. A kern that has made the rounds quite a bit, it seems to be too perfect for anyone to mutate. Ah, and here we have an ancient meme. This strapping young man spawned all other depictions of a similar stance. If you see a figure pointing and staring, from uncle Sam to Smokey the bear, it originates from the Moxie lad. It really struck a nerve it seems.

>>5290

>Carl Jung and other such psychologists/sociologists compared mytholoies around the world and determined as much, finding some many distinct character types that always arise.

I think it is more likely that the archetypes are the cultural remains of the first seamen or the first metal smelters, and that the inheritor empires and religions removed them from history.

>>5300

Yahweh = Jove = Jupiter

Notice the obvious.

>>5309

>Yahweh is supposedly 6000 years old as a god and religion

That I do not buy for one second,but it's a nice meme to stop people from thinking about technological progress rationally.

>>5311

>If you can provide a reliable source to counter that sentiment I'll buy in more completely to your theory.

No reliable source is to be found, because you become unreliable the moment you no longer buy the opinion of the majority.

The basis is that civilization started with boats and trade, because once you started to use boats to survive, then you were forced to continue to trade in order to survive.

With boats, mistakes means death, so you had an evolutionary race for better boats, and somewhere along the line came the metals smelters and the smiths, that traded with and lived along boat based people.

A farmer did not need to trade to survive, but a fisherman or metal-worker needed trade even if they too farmed on the side until the twentieth century in Scandinavia, although it was mostly having one cow for fresh milk in the end.

If you buy these kind of arguments I can tell you more, but it's no use if you say this book say…. You don't have to believe me, just meet my arguments, for me to bother?

>>5315

>Rome was founded, like, 750 BC.

Italy was pagan no more than 500 years ago, so what does 750 BC even mean?

Do you believe Romulus and Remus was suckled by a shewolf?

>>5315

>Are you arguing about my definition of technological memes?

No.

You need a big horse for heavy cavalry, and I don't buy that this type of horse was developed twice, once by the franks, angles and goths, and once by the greeks, especially as the greeks called them cataphrancos or something similar.

>>5318

>3000 years between the conceptualization of YHWH and the formation of Rome

This is no use

>Personally, I do not, but I do stand by the year I gave as rome's foundation until such a time as you can provide me another plausible date.

Oh please.

The only ones that know when Rome was funded, are the ones that believe in unscientific stuff, because Italy was not all Christian 500 years ago.

It's very easy to show from art, as the artists knew stuff about paganism, that they would not have know, if they had been Christians for 1500 years

>Technology developing and spreading as a meme would tend to support notions that technology was developed only once, but then perhaps reemerging after a culture that saw the meme born and dead interacts with a culture never exposed to it.

I am not talking about memes. I am talking about animals, plants, diseases etc.

How many areas do you need to see the same pattern of something being developed, go missing, and being redeveloped once more, before you stop believing the orthodox view?

10?

100?

1000?

Or is it like I think, no amount of evidence matters one jot, because you are not really interested in what is true or not?

Notice that the hats are using the cucking stool on the hooded woman. Do you think this is a pattern we see, and if so, does it mean something, even if no books point it out?

>>5324

>I can't begin to follow your reasoning

If the renaissance artists show great knowledge of the pagan world, then it is not 1500 years ago that they were pagan, especially since a lot of the art depicts Christians winning over pagans.

Do you understand?

It was not the current Roman Empire that was pagan and persecuted Christians, it was the other one. This Roman empire you live, dear subject of the Holy Roman Empire, have always been Christian…

That the Shitolic Church though the world "flat", is also lies, because this old book shows…..

>>5336

>I'm much more comfortable calling out your argumentative techniques knowing that I'm not the only one at a loss.

You can't be this stupid?

How dense do you have to be to not understand that History as written, does not have to resemble history as it happened?

>Could you either switch to a more conventional pattern of argument or simply lay out the positions you're trying to dance around?

Do you think the Holohoax as jew-gassings happened, to take something we pro-whites think is a lie?

I need to know what your position is here before we go on?

I also need to know if you accept that if bedrock have been exposed to cosmic radiation for 50.000 ears, then there were no 2km thick Ice layer there the last Ice age?

There is no use in arguing with people that don't acknowledge your arguments, because they don't have the mental capacity or will to determine if something is true, based on comparing evidence and simple logic.

I started my revisionist career with the holohoax, and found that people that tried to pretend not to understand that the scientific way to solve the questions of the truth regarding say the Rudolf Report, was to repeat his experiments.

Discussing with believers that used authority figures that were dishonest regarding the scientific way validate the Rudolf Report, was useless, as no matter what kind of evidence you brought to the table, you never got them to do acknowledge anything.

>>5337

>Please stop typing. Your English is almost pidgin.

Are you to aspie to understand that sentence was written from the POV of a ruler in the new Christian Roman Empire, doing his version of "just move on, There is nothing to see here"?

>>5341

>I've seen compelling evidence to the contrary,

Do you think the Jew-gassings happened, or do you think it's all a big lie?

>you're asking my gnostic opinions of things

NO.

I want yes or no answers, not word games.

I also need to know if you accept that if bedrock have been exposed to cosmic radiation for 50.000 ears, then there were no 2km thick Ice layer there the last Ice age?

It's nothing more than agreeing that this shows the 2km ice sheet covering the whole of N-Europe theory was wrong, If I bother to give you the link, if you bother to ask for it?

I have argued with idiots that claim you can cut granite with coppers tools, because the are huge granite blocks in the Pyramids.

If I ask them to take a modern hammer, go outside, try to work granite, and report back, they never try it out, but stay in their belief that cutting granite with copper can't really be that hard, as the ancient Egyptians managed it with copper tools.

They might also give me a report where it says indirectly the Egyptians could cut granite with copper tools.

It's stuff like this I want to avoid, anon, and if you have read holocaust debates, you would understand why.

>>5343

>I'd never heard the supposition that bedrock got slammed by cosmic rays, so no.

>“We measure the concentration of cosmogenic radionuclides, such as beryllium-10 and aluminium-26, produced in surface rocks as a result of being bombarded by cosmic rays that manage to penetrate Earth’s atmosphere. This tells us how large the glacier was at a given time in the past. It’s like tick-tock, there is a clock in my rock,” explained Fink.

>“We can also date multiple retreat moraines upvalley and determine the glacier retreat rate and hence not only when it warmed but also how fast the climate warmed,” said Fink.

http://www.ansto.gov.au/AboutANSTO/MediaCentre/News/ACS081004

It's master thesis science.

It's not really needed to show that not the whole of N-Europe was covered by a 2km thick ice sheet layer last Ice age, because you can see that no Ice have ground down these peaks in Northern Norway.

It could also be shown by the arctic flora being so diverse, that it must have survived locally the last Ice age, but none of these arguments were given much worth until the clock in the rock was discovered.

NB Major parts of Northern Europe was covered with Ice, but parts seem to have stayed Ice Free. These ice free areas had an arctic climate as the subarctic diversity is low, so it's not a huge revolution.

They started to test the rocks because it looked unpolished by the last Ice Age, as the rest of the rock faces bore clear marks of ice, so it was not something that they just randomly tried out.

If you follow me here, you let me escape the rock thing without digging up the individual test, because you can see it from the picture yourself?

>>5348

It wasn't just tidal streams, where you had a secure source of protein if you could defend it, but the mouths of rivers, a small lake, and so on.

Where and how is again not important, as it is enough to know that they existed, to understand that they created a technological race, where better boats so you could access food sources others could not, more safely and faster, if you did not use the advantage to live a more hospitable place.

Sometimes in the stone age, trade for flint with can be proven, although I don't buy the division into different "cultures", and I don't necessarily buy the dating.

The only form of boat I think it can be safe to use in salt water, that can be made with stone tools is the animal hide canoe. As for bothering to trade for flint in leather canoes, it might have been tar for flint, as I reckon flint was needed to make the vessels or good clothes, while tar was needed as impregnation and to get the boats watertight.

Fancy flint work and amber seems to have worked as store of value, as the trade did not always match?

Google flint trade, if you doubt.

Sometimes around here, agriculture and husbandry got started, but it was the development of real Bronze, that really got both trade and war started.

I'll stop here for now, in case you have any questions?

The big boats depicted are from after bronze tools according to the current dogma, and I agree 100%.

>>5349

I kind of forgot to mention that it was danish flint, for something Skanians or Norwegians had.

It must have been something because the Danes had amber as well, and pine tar is just a guess, as I suspect Denmark might have been too warm for pine.

Just to sum up beforehand, so you'll know where I am going.

There is nothing special in what comes next, so we could pretend I have given you sources, and go straight to the development of runes?

We can go back later, but the start was Jove=Yahweh, so kind of feel I have kept you long enough?

If you look at the Hjortspring boat, it's not very hard to see that some evolutionary stages from the log boat to this bronze age war canoe is missing.

They are not missing though, as they have been found, and the Danes have made reconstructions of them based on real boats that have been found.

They have made reconstruction of all the technological steps from the log boat to the 12-1300 AC and I will post them all if you are interested.

What becomes obvious then, is that you should find these middle stages all over the world, if they took part in the technological evolution from log boat to war canoes, to real sea faring Viking ships.

The only place where you find this, is the "North way", the mostly skerry sheltered coast line from Lubeck, between Danmark and Scania, along the Nor-weg-ian coast, all the way to the North Cape, where the open sea hits land straight on.

That the coastline is sheltered by a million islands, is a result of previous ice ages that scrubbed down the mountains until the glaciers melted in the sea, creating a coastal landscape called a strandflat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strandflat

>The strandflat includes areas on land as well as in the sea, and might be separated in three zones: Outmost is a submarine zone, thereafter a skerry zone and innermost a supramarine zone. The strandflat ends against a steep rock on the land side, even higher mountains, and in the sea side the strandflat ends with a steep slope down to the continental shelf.

>The strandflat is near to the sea level of today; the areas on land side reach no more than 50 m., and the areas in sea is commonly not more than 50 m deep. The width of strandflat varies from 50 – 60 km to nearly nothing.

If you lived along a river, there would be no real reason to go past a log boat, because you would rather build two log boats or a raft, that spend time on some marginal improvement.

This was is not at all true in the Standflat, where there was always a profit for coming up with a better boat, rather than more boats, or bigger ones, that a local bigman would chose.

The Strandflat is in reality one huge archipelago, with the sea on the outside, and mountains on the inside, that no local big man were able to block, like he might have been able to block river trade.

The older futhark consist of 24 runes, and we have some idea of their names and the phonemes connected to them, but that is as far we can get, because so little have survived.

What we do have a quite a lot of, is runic inscriptions with the younger and the ango-saxon futork, so the phonemes used here, is well known.

We also have a huge amount of medieval stuff written with letters, so it should not be an impossible task to reconstruct backwards how it must have been written with the old Futhork.

That is a little too big task for me, but showing that changing alphabets leads to systematic changes is not.

First off at the time Jove was worshiped, it must have been written IOUE while the Hebrew wrote it without the vowels YW or transcribed to latin IU.

This is just circumstantial evidence, because with so few letters, you can virtually make everything resemble each other.

What is needed,is to look at a bunch of words, that used to be the same, but no longer are in much the same way the indo-european theorists do. The Latin P -pater and Germanic F- father would then be explained by differing phonemes used to pronounce the same word in the older futhark.

Norwegian dialects and Danish dialects have different phonemes, so they sound different, but all write it the same, and all write more or less phonetically. This led to host of silent letters in the beginning, so it's hard to read old council-danish, until you understand that it should be read as we read it today, since the extra letters are there to avoid mispronunciation.

Norwegian and Swedish sound the same, and was the same spoken language at the border, but it was written with different encoding rules than Dano-Norwegian when they switched from runes, so it's written rather differently.

If you remember that futh is the vagina, and th is one rune, then the lating futhork would be the putorg or putorc, kind of fitting,when puta is walking vagina, aka whore.

>>5358

That Piter and Peter is pronounced the same, means rock, and is supposed to be the servant of God, and IOUE = IUPITER is probably no accident.

>>5360

>>5360

>These are all reasonable, yes, but you did still skip over the part where you proved that the roman gods predated the hebrew one.

That can't be done, sorry if I had said.

What can be done, is to show that they are the same god written with different alphabets.

What can also be done is to show that history is cucked.

> Your line of argumentation from the beginning still seems to me based upon that premise. If I was (and am) completely wrong on that point, and you were arguing that the name of the hebrew god was given to the roman, then…

Yes, but that is not interesting, as what I have done is more go for showing that history is cucked, because the language we speak is as old as hebrew and greek, and older than Latin, and that Germanic, Greek, and Hebrew all originate from the old futhark.

If we look at the words ski, school, scribe, official lore say the first is Norwegian, and then two Latin words.

The word ski is Norwegian, not because other countries don't have skies, but because Norwegians had good reason to call them skies, if you look at other objects made of planks (skier), and find that they are often ski related words.

The word could have been English, Dutch or German, because they share this shi-prefix. The other write the sh-phoneme differently, English ship, shill,German Schiff, the Danes don't ski, and the Swedes write it skidor, so the word must be Norwegian in origin.

That ship is a ship because it was made of planks, and a shill was a plank used to separate, could then be a probable explanation..

It should be possible to use this pattern to find out how it must have been written with the old Futhark, as the ski, schi, shi words are many.

When you look at ski in this light, the wooden plank explanation must be thrown away, as the ski-prefix is something that cuts or is cut.

If you look at the word skin then, it should not have been the hide, until the hide had been skinned from the animal, if you look at early English sources.

The M-rune signifies something good, so to skim is to cut out the good parts, like to skim the cream from the milk.

A ship is thus a ship, because it is big enough to cut through the waves, a skerry (skierry) cuts the surface, while skjære(DK/NO) and schieren(ger) means to cut.

If the hebrew alphabet is based on the phoenican, and the phoenican one is based on the old futhark, so you are still correct , that Hebrew can be older than Latin. (it is and I kind of forgot that, as Latin is so young it can be written with the younger futhark)

That said, if IU was the jewish god, the IU-HANS=IOHN would be the god of the hanseatics, while IUPITER was the IU of the saxons(rocks) = Saturn?

This is just again wordgames without a good explanation to why, because it just a few words, but the reason I went for languages and shipping, is that you can create the massive proofs you need to show that history is cucked, from behind a computer.

I haven't bothered with the non-germanic languages, because I don't speak them, but most of the differences in the Germanic languages can be shown to originate from having different alphabets or futhorcs.

If you look at how English manage to not write phonetically, you see that phonemic writing is not needed when people know how to read and write, so that you would need a change in alphabets to get, say the great vowel change in English, when the English had to go from 9 vowels in the anglo-saxon futhorc, to 6 in the letters of the lads.

You also kind of lose interest in the "lux et oriente" bible centric POV, as the master of the lighthouses did not live in current Egypt, but in the low countries, where lighthouses were needed together with a compass rose, to be able to avoid underwater dangers for incoming ships.

You don't really need one lighthouse either, you need a whole string of them from A to B.

Modern mathematics started in the Low countries, because they needed it to getter better precession, as the option of a safer route was denied them. Lighthouses were expensive, so if better mathematics could save a few, it was worth it.

Knowing the tides is good in Norway because it saves time, but you always use daymarks that are safe to use at all tides.

In the low countries, a safe way at all tides was often not possible, and the Dutch used also used this in the hanseatic trade. The Duch Kogge was flat bottom, so they stranded them on purpose by anchoring at high tide, and waited until ebb, where the locals could reach the vessels with carts(2 wheels) and wagons(4 wheels), before the Kogge went out again with the next flood.

That only worked with sandy beaches, and that was not always the case.

>>5371

Sorry for the messy post, I kept getting that it was too long, so I cut in it, and it was still too long.

The 2 Latin words will be taken in the next post, as I will try to use this one to fix the mess of the last one.

What I mean with wordgames, is that one by searching for similar words, and is able to switch letters, anything can be made into anything.

While gods and kings are interesting, they are to few to act as more than hints, because if their are the same thing, but written in different alphabets, then it's the other ordinary words that would prove that, and not quoting endless similarities between the Kings and Gods you might think are the same.

I really can't be bothered to do that with Hebrew (Ebro river in catalonia?), because 1. I don't speak it 2. It was vowelless for at time, and that makes everything darn complicated. 3. Sitting endlessly transcribing letters I don't understand, makes it probable it would turn out shit.

If you speak it, you could do it, to see if it is correct for words similar to Yahwe, but it would better if you translated the words that look to be the same originally, but has been transcribed with different alphabets in the language I can manage, basically the germanic ones, + latin and greek.

Then on to the low countries, the dutch, the franks, the saxons, the frisians, and the Hanseatic or Hanse. I am pretty sure these are mostly the same people, and it was the Rhine, North Sea, fertile land and channels combo, that made them RICH and the most advanced. .

>"Peter" never showed up in the OT, and in the new testament it was written as "Cephas" in aramaic. Only when it was translated (to latin first, then english) did it become peter. Cephas does mean rock in that language, however. That I do concede.

If I am correct that "all" wrote and spoke old Futhorc, but pronounced the words differently depending on the local phonemes, like Danish and Norwegian share a written language, but slightly different phonemes make us pronounce everything differently.

It's not arameic in English if I am correct, it's romic. and this is an image of Cephas with his frisian fire cap on. ^^

How is Cephas and the Cheops Pyramid builder not the same guy, btw? Alternatively it is the stone pyramid?

So to get back to the two Latin words school and scribe.

From Middle English scribe, from Old French scribe ‎(“scribe”), from Late Latin usage of scriba ‎(“secretary”) (used in Vulgate to render Ancient Greek γραμματεύς ‎(grammateús, “scribe, secretary”), which had been used in its turn to render the Hebrew סופר ‎(“writer, scholar”)) from scribere ‎(“to write, draw, draw up, draft (a paper), enlist, enroll, levy; orig. to scratch”), probably akin to scrobs ‎(“a ditch, trench, grave”).

If we assume origin of the word scribe in Futhorcian, the word would not have meant to write, writer, because runes were (w)ritten, but it would perhaps have been used for decoration or painting?

It was not before good (ink) and some writing tool outside the knife or charcoal, that painting runes became an option, and some new word was needed to describe the process.

Painting small runes are hard, so some other shape needed to be found. The choice of writing technology seems to have been geography dependent, so the different alphabets were born.

I don't know if all the alphabets are based on the Older Futhark, or if they are like the Germanic languages, and have had another futhorc in between.

If the w in written is rune WIN-WYNN, it means something that changes direction or bendable, like wind, wine, wick, wic, will etc. Runes don't twist and turn, they are all straight lines, so runes seems to have been riss-en (ger) rist-et(nor), and that is a word used for straight surface cuts.

If we look at the non scribe related words with skr we have in Norwegian.

Skrud = richly ornamented

skru = screw = twist or twirl with the hand, not the fingers

skrue = screw, a twisted guy

skrå = inclined

skrulle = an homosexual acting very homosexual

skryte = brag ornamentally

skrin = decorated box

English also have a lot of scr-words that point to curved cuts or lines, like the one we find in the scriven letters.

Scratch, scroll, scrape…

English don't seem to have the ornamented or decorated meaning of the skr-words, but the Nordic languages still do. the English seem to used wr-words in stead.

In the old sagas, you can find scriven shields, in the meaning painted or decorated shields, a meaning that were lost, when scriving became writing letters.

To get to the twisting and turning scriven thing share, you need all four runes, S for shine, kaun from change, Raid for row or group, wynn changing direction. (Nobody is not sure what the Runes meant, so these are likely somewhat wrong)

I guess school will have to wait until the next post.

The pics are various images I found searcing for skrud or skra(scroll, diploma)

Breivik is in his "frimurare skrud" as a swede wrote.

>>5383

I don't know shit about religion, the bible, the roman or the greeks, so that is why what I write on those subjects suck.

The ones interested in creating OC, memes and meme magic might understand, so it might not be as cryptic to them.

The creative profession don't follows academic logic, as they often read to get inspiration. Once you had mastered your profession so you could create anything you wanted, getting inspiration for your creation becomes important.

>This is how you should approach all your posts. Fascinating things and redeems what I have said above. The day mark / seamark thing of itself was great.

This is the stuff I know. What you have gotten so far is shit, because it's all one big hermeneutical circle, where you need to go one round before you understand why certain stuff is important, while other stuff is irrelevant.

>Please let me know if this is correct:

>yahweh is not 6000 years old

I don't know, because every measuring technique is calibrated against objects of know age.

>yahweh comes from the ancient scandinavian people's god Jove, which represents Jupiter?

I don't know, but I don't think so.

I think Jupiter belongs on the continent, and was developed in the countries with a Saturday, samstag?

I doubt Norwegians ever cared much for the planets, only the moon and the sun.

Norwegians primarily drowned at sea, and that is mainly caused by bad weather. (&social acceptable risk level, but I don't think they were aware).

You also have so much other stuff that is interesting, Northern Lights, Midnight sun, dramatic landscape, real experience of almost dying, as the 10 almost died to one death was true then.

If you look at the sky, trying to predict the weather is much more important than planets, and predicting the weather can often be done one day in advance.

Scandinavia was only very relevant until the Bronze age and the development of the Futhark.

After that it was mostly Holland, and some other newly taken area of Europe that was the wealthy and influential ones. The last centuries supremacy has gone from the Dutch to the English, then to the Americans.

This is visible in both the current Nordic languages and the vocabulary used for navigation and ships, in that it starts out Nordic, but then becomes Dutch, to end up with the new loan words coming from English the two last centuries.

The seagoing Viking ships that have been found, are from Poland to Ireland, so they were not kept as a monopoly.

What made Norway so powerful at sea, was not the technological advantage, but the huge number of vessels that could be manned with experienced seamen, because "everything" was moved by boat in the archipelago.

>>5390

>Is there more to the train of though you had above?

I don't know much about the planets.

Or is the words like starboard, north, south, oar, mast being Norse, then you get a dutch vocabulary during the heyday of the VOC, to end up with English words after Napoleon?

If you read any history on any Nordic language, the Dutch influence is always pointed out.

The war of the roses give much more sense if it was a war between operating the chain of lighthouses that made sailing along the coast at night possible?.

By varying what half of the fires that would be lit, you could in principle issue expensive new roses all the time, so keep out freeloaders.

When the ships became seaworthy enough to go far enough out, sailing at night became possible without the roses.

>>5391

>Ancient hebrew was an indo-european language that died before he time of Christ (or so they say).

I think it was gothic, the language of the evil Jotuns that lived on the inside the archipelago, that in reality was virtually identical to languages spoken on the archipelago. These later became the trolls of mythology, but not because one seem to have won, but because the fight wasn't always the archipelago against the inland.

They "worshiped" fire, and supplied the iron and goods the archipelago needed, and when the emigrated together with the anglers, they put up smiting villages or started mining, rather than start farming or fishing villages.

The goths might not even have seen themselves as one people, and there is no reason they pronounced the vocals the same when they gathered in a foreign country, so they ended up dropping them.

Everybody knew well how to read and write by then, it wasn't really a problem. If Hebrew is German now, it most likely always been German, and it has never been lost..

>>5397

I'll just give you the explanation to the firesoul, before I'll move on with links.

The Nordic languages show very definite proof that we thought that it burned a fire inside every animal.

Animals produces heat, and they need air to survive, just like something that is burning.

Fire is not the correct word however, because English shows proof of having been purged of these words except for the word old.

In Norwegian

ILD,ELD = the element fire, to light a fire

ELDES = growing older

ELDES = something burning

OLD-ING = very old

FOR-ELDRE = "fore-fires"- parents

In German

ELTERN = parents

C = kaun = torch = transformation

In English the ild-eld is gone, but

OLD = old age

COLD = cold =dead

I'll write more about this later, because LD can be a code for a single phoneme, so just looking at the corresponding runes might not work here.

>>5344

Anybody can google and find research that shows how parts of the Norwegian coast and the coast flat was Ice free, by googling for the method mentioned.

It not really needed though, because you can see it with the naked eye.

The image named sva-berg is the result of the ice-bergs scrubbing the mostly granite or a very hard stone clean.

It's these Sva-bergs that contain most the stone and bronze age rock art, as they used a hard stone to gradually hammer out the figures.

They hammered them in when the sva-bergs were still clean from having been the seashore, but as the land rose, they got covered.

If you look at the image called gaustad toppen, it's clear that no ice have been there for a very long time.

>>5410

The fauna that might have survived the Ice age, is not interesting now, but the flora is.

The diversity is higher among the more cold adapted plants that grown in Norway, than it is among the ones that are at their northward border.

Finding this in a good English source showed itself quite hard, but as the species would have needed to hop from the alps or Pyrenees(sic), if they did not survive the ice age locally, you would have expected a low diversity.

This argument have been present from the start, and people have tried to point out that the reason the coast flat archipelago is there, is that the glaciers melts when they meet the warm sea-water, so they never really reach the islands created by the previous Ice Age.

There is no reason to expect that the gulf stream did not flow the last Ice Age, because you need hot humid air going cold over land, to get a huge build up of Ice.

It was not until the "clock in the rock" became ignored, that I kind of smelled this was another unwelcomed subject.

No money for starting a huge dating program to calibrate how fast the land rose, for instance.

Most living quarters before agriculture and animal husbandry are found in the hills far above the present sea level. That they were situated at sea level when the were used, makes the current height above sea level a good proxy for the age.

I then suspect this method is then used to give calibration curves to c14, I don't know. The clock in the rock could have said this for sure, as the dated scrubbed down svabergs that have come back from the sea from the last Ice age, could have given us the local variation in how fast the land rose in the past.

Two plants I suspect is from this mountain flora is Angelica Archangelica and Litmus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelica_archangelica

In Finnish it is called väinönputki, in Kalaallisut kuanneq, in Northern Sami fádnu, boska and rássi, in English garden angelica, in German Arznei-Engelwurz or Echte Engelwurz, in Dutch grote engelwortel, in Persian Sonbol-e Khatāyi سنبل خطایی, in Swedish kvanne, in Norwegian kvann, in Danish kvan, in Icelandic hvönn, in Polish arcydziegiel, angelika, dzięgiel lekarski, dzięgiel wielki, anielskie ziele, archangielski korzeń, anielski korzeń, and in Faroese it has the name hvonn.

I suspect The hvann-kvann has something to do with the medieval hagalrune taking two sound values. The H in Hagal in front, and a k-or-g if inside of a word.

Magnus seems to have been written mahnus, and that might explain something why the k in knight and knot is mum. and why King Knut (knot) is written Canute

Ochrolechia tartarea = litimose

http://www.henriettes-herb.com/eclectic/usdisp/litmus.html

You can do your own googling here, and read about all the ancient people again, but the litmus test, is that LIT meant color, or probably the light it gave back. (Light=lit before the great vowel change made I to AI) Lichens used to be classified as a moss, and before more light stable dies out competed this red, it was a huge export article.

>>5416

But there are so much of it, so it's hard to know where to start.

I'll go on with the boat ax-people

From wikipedia:

Swedish-Norwegian Battle Axe culture

Pottery from Lilla Beddinge cemetery in Skåne, Sweden

>The Swedish-Norwegian Battle Axe culture, or the Boat Axe culture, appeared ca. 2800 BC and is known from about 3000 graves from Skåne to Uppland and Trøndelag. While Swedish writer Herman Lindqvist has referred to this as the "Age of crushed skulls", there is no indication that this was an especially violent time, and most of the "crushing" happened post-mortem in the ground.[dubious – discuss] The "battle-axes" were primarily a status object. There are strong continuities in stone craft traditions, and very little evidence of any type of full-scale migration, least of all a violent one. The old ways were discontinued as the corresponding cultures on the continent changed, and the farmers living in Scandinavia took part in those changes since they belonged to the same network. Settlements on small, separate farmsteads without any defensive protection is also a strong argument against the people living there being aggressors. Recently also the mixture of this culture with Barbed Wire Beaker culture elements from the west that reached until Sweden in the Late Neolithic, probably ultimately derived from the same Corded Ware stock, has come into the picture.

I have no problem with what they find, I have a problem with how they interpret it.

These images are from these battle-axes, and the point is that they are too heavy, and far too common to have been used on humans.

The Swede talking about the time of crushed skulls were correct, at it is a tool to kill large tame animals, before iron axes became the preferred tool.

I must have behaved like the "axes" used to split wood, where it is the crushing momentum of "edge" that splits the wood, and not a sharp edge.

1000 kg of angry meat was dangerous, if you could not crush the skull on one might blow.

If you look at the evolution of cutting, you'll see that sharpness is important when you can not use a lot of force.

A tool steel quality steel edge, is not sharper than flint or bronze edges, it just stays sharp a lot longer, and can handle a lot more force without breaking.

It would thus be optimal to have lighter tools when the edge was fragile, and gradually increase the weight as the materials to build the tools got better.

Viking age axes were smaller than today, bronze age ones even smaller yet, and the stone axes of flint seems the smallest.

I'm unsure of that actually, because flint is such a different material than bronze, but a bronze ax lasted a lot longer, and could be sharpened over and over again to always keep the edge sharp for max cutting ability. The flint tools got smaller and smaller as you sharpened them, a LOT faster than the metal ones.

Ceramics disappeared in the Nordic nations when Iron came, probably because wood, soap-stone and metal objects took over totally.

>>5419

The battle-ax of the archeologists is so commonly found on the oldest farm sites, that it has a name "Tordenkile"=thunderbolt.

If you think about metal in the early days, it was very expensive, so the little you had, would be used where it gave the most benefit.

That meant status objects for the rich and tools for the common man. The common man could continue to use the stone sledge to kill a bull until well after iron was used to make them.

If you had that much iron, it would be better to have more axes for wood working, more knives, etc.

Having more tools meant less tool wear, and that was cheaper in the long run. A one inch wide ax-blade, don't have to be very sharp to cut, so if you used this where you could damage the razor sharp edge of the knife, you did not have to sharpen the blade as often.

A lot of these skull and bones crushers are made of diabase, noted in the Norwegian Wikipedia, but not in the English.

The reason diabase is important, is that the stone age people seem to have thought it important. It is soft enough to be workable, but it absorbs shocks well.

Hard = hard

Myk = soft

Seig = shock-absorbing.

The first image is three stages of a thunderbolt until finished product, where the final step was polishing, the second the same stages for a flagstone arrowhead, while the third show how hard rocks like flint was worked.

>>5419

Ceramic seems to have started in Scandinavia with the "battle axes", and if the axes were farming tools meant to kill animals, then the ceramics was probably used to store milk and butter.

My guess is that it is hard to keep ceramics clean, compared to wood, soap-stone and metal objects, so it payed off not to use ceramic technology at all, when steel tools made making things so much easier.

Later bricks and tiles were burnt, especially in Denmark, but it was not until the dutch became good at glazing a few hundred years ago, that ceramics started to be used in the kitchen again.

Anyway, to bother wit ceramics you basically needed buildings, and that meant they got some tame animals and farmed some vegetables.

I don't think it was before medieval times that cereals started to make up a large part of the diet. In the Viking age it seems to have been used mostly for beer in large parts of Scandinavia, and I think it was first with the plow and the horse, that cereals became the main staple.

From wikipedia

>The ard, ard plough,[1] or scratch plough[2] is a simple light plough without a mouldboard. It is symmetrical on either side of its line of draft and is fitted with a symmetrical share that traces a shallow furrow but does not invert the soil.[3] It began to be replaced in most of Europe by the carruca turnplough from the 7th century

This is correct, but really correct would be to say the plough replaced the ard.

pic 1.

Single-handled bow ard: (1) yoke, (2) draft-pole, (3) draft-beam, (4) stilt, (5) share

To be able to use the ard, they needed to clear the land for rocks and roots. I think the roots went mostly by themselves, if they first cleared the land for grassing animals.

If the oldest son got the farm, but the others got tools and animals, number 2 and 3 could clear the land of trees, use the wood for houses and heating, and the twigs and leaves for fodder the first years. The original farm could then specialize in growing stuff, while the new farm concentrated on doing animal husbandry only. Grassing animals don't care if there are rocks around , and nothing grows up of trees or bushes, if an area is is used for grassing. This meant you could slowly clear the land of rocks, while the root rotted away.

In the early days the rocks used to be thrown in one big pile,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearance_cairn

but later stone fences were build.

>>5423

>In the cases of technology, I would call them simply dead/dormant memes, as interaction with a culture bereft of the meme would experience very rapid spread of the meme through every caste and every societal roll.

The Archipelago don't show much proof of castes. You had rich people and poorer people, where the poor took larger risks.

That said, if I am correct, complex thought was not really possible until the futhark made coining words others would understand possible.

>Morality and Abstract Thinking

>How Africans may differ from Westerners

>by Gedaliah Braun

>I am an American who taught philosophy in several African universities from 1976 to 1988, and have lived since that time in South Africa. When I first came to Africa, I knew virtually nothing about the continent or its people, but I began learning quickly. I noticed, for example, that Africans rarely kept promises and saw no need to apologize when they broke them. It was as if they were unaware they had done anything that called for an apology.

>It took many years for me to understand why Africans behaved this way but I think I can now explain this and other behavior that characterizes Africa. I believe that morality requires abstract thinking—as does planning for the future—and that a relative deficiency in abstract thinking may explain many things that are typically African.

>What follow are not scientific findings. There could be alternative explanations for what I have observed, but my conclusions are drawn from more than 30 years of living among Africans.

>My first inklings about what may be a deficiency in abstract thinking came from what I began to learn about African languages. In a conversation with students in Nigeria I asked how you would say that a coconut is about halfway up the tree in their local language. “You can’t say that,” they explained. “All you can say is that it is ‘up’.” “How about right at the top?” “Nope; just ‘up’.” In other words, there appeared to be no way to express gradations.

>A few years later, in Nairobi, I learned something else about African languages when two women expressed surprise at my English dictionary. “Isn’t English your language?” they asked. “Yes,” I said. “It’s my only language.” “Then why do you need a dictionary?”

>They were puzzled that I needed a dictionary, and I was puzzled by their puzzlement. I explained that there are times when you hear a word you’re not sure about and so you look it up. “But if English is your language,” they asked, “how can there be words you don’t know?” “What?” I said. “No one knows all the words of his language.”

I have concluded that a relative deficiency in abstract thinking may explain many things that are typically African.

>“But we know all the words of Kikuyu; every Kikuyu does,” they replied. I was even more surprised, but gradually it dawned on me that since their language is entirely oral, it exists only in the minds of Kikuyu speakers. Since there is a limit to what the human brain can retain, the overall size of the language remains more or less constant. A written language, on the other hand, existing as it does partly in the millions of pages of the written word, grows far beyond the capacity of anyone to know it in its entirety. But if the size of a language is limited, it follows that the number of concepts it contains will also be limited and hence that both language and thinking will be impoverished.

…snip…

https://whitelocust.wordpress.com/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners/

The problem with the concepts like love, honor, truth etc, being developed out of the futhark, is not as much that the non-whites cannot learn the words, it might be that they don't understand them?

>>5422

>That is an important question to answer first, I think, before the memetic rabbit hole is explored: what is it the meme interfaces with and interacts with, within the world of a given subject's psyche?

I think you should always use real type examples in your thinking.

Is milk a meme or is it something mammals make to nurture their young?

The word used to name something is always a meme, but how you make that something is knowledge on how the memes and the world interact.

How you make something can be described with memes, but that is not the same as having the knowledge on how to make it.

The early Futhorcians could make up concepts like laws, but it was up to later generations to make these laws into something that was followed.

>>5435

>Instead of SWH, Lets call it ZNT (Zulu-Nigger theory). The SWH asserts that one's language limits one's thoughts. ZNT postulates that you can't create language outside of your thought capacity.

You should perhaps come up with a better name than (Zulu-Nigger theory), because the hypothesis might become known under the name you give to it, if it's named well, and is pushed like am meme.

Just to be clear, I don't mind calling your hypothesis ZNT. ZNT is a good name, and the theory rings true.

* when you hit on a well made metal ring, it rings true, as there are no imperfections to stop the vibrations or give a sour tone.

>Biological evolutionary differences, r/K theory, etc. It's all the most scientific explanations. We have corrupted our view by making up all fancy words to be PC. It's the hubris of the white man, the onlly race that cares about equality. The only race that gets offended on behalf of others. The only one that wanted the sub races to vote. I was just reading something that shows the mark of a great society is compassion. But that compassion, like leftism, is only accelerating to get the same feeling. Ultimately dooming themselves

Well said

>>5444

I was dumb enough to take mathematics and statistics + major in economics, so I was fucked when I discovered that economics is a language to talk about economics, and not a science.

That meant univershitty employment was out of the question, as I understood it would be one long battle. Rather than bothering, I started renovating old houses.

I only fix my own old house now, as reckon it's the best investment I can do, at least it might have been true, if I did not spend so much time on the net.

>>5446

I agree with what you say, and I think the only solution is to go back to a tutor based system, where you can learn complex stuff outside the univershitty system.

In the beginning, it was only the priests that had to be officially brainwashed at a University before they could get a job. Now "certification" is demanded everywhere, so the question is then, if it is religion that is taught?

Outside the hard sciences, engineering and languages, I suspect that answer is yes to a large degree.

>>5451

>Metal was conserved for tools and the rich trinkets. Not really weapons since stone worked as well.

No. The "battle axes" are not, and have never been weapons. It's so heavy that you see the ax coming and step away. While the guy with the farm tool is struggling to stop the momentum of the ax, when it hits air, you can take you sharp flint ax, and split his scull open.

>They used tools and weapons from a stone type called diabase that is naitive to certain parts of scandinavia.

Diabase is found all over the world, and it only means a channel of rock through other rock., The reason it is important is that in Scandinavia you will often find the simplest to refine ores along or as diabase, because the ice made gravel where water could first dissolve metals, then have them "fall out" of solution in the diabase channels.

The first mines were diabase channels that were dug out for the diabase stone sleges. Because the channels often acted as a "metal refinery", the were bound to discover metals when they heat treated the stones. When the technology got better, these mines became too small run profitably.

>>This type of stone is related to the natural occurance of metal.

It's not "natural". Diabase channels are small metal refineries in landscapes suffering from Ice Ages. You find them in the Alps, another early hotspot for metals that have suffered ice ages.

>>5452

>Consider yourself lucky.

The lucky thing was that I started renovating old houses, as it made me able to speak my mind without fear.

>>5451

>a connection between tribes

Neither the archipelago nor the inland have ever had tribes. Assume there were, and one side won, the there would be no more tribes.

Landscapes do war with other landscapes, so you fought on the team neighbors, not your kin. Kin fought feuds, where the rest of society went on as normal.

> locations can be traced back to Scandinavia, and show a connection between tribes as Scandanavia as the source.

You can't draw it back to Scandinavia, because we were last to discover it. Just look at this old book….

>Are we still on track to show the original Yahweh was the Jove? Or where are we headed? I'm enjoying it I'm just missing a few connections.

We can, but the only way to get anybody to buy it was if the evidence is MASSIVELY overwhelming, and that means showing the Nordic is futhorcian

theory?

>>5458

>Is this all in a book or resource somewhere?

It's straight out of the museums, so it's not hidden. It that when the Egyptians were building the Pyramids, we had not started metals yet. When the Greeks and Romans were building the Colosseum, we had not gotten sail yet. etc.

The only ones interested in this are Scandinavians, because we are interested in how we did it.

The world is interested in Roman and greek shipping, so the steps of sewing planks on to log boats,so the log boat could handle some more wave, and how this ended in the Hjortspring boat is not interesting.

That you need to go to Viking ships, to find out the rigging of recreated Roman and Greeks ships, because the Sagas are the only ones that mention how the boat was made, is NEVER mentioned.

And why should they? Somebody that managed to build the Colosseum 2000 years ago, must have known how to rig a primitive sailing vessel?

>I've heard of it before, but with this background context It sounds more interesting.

I' have never read it in full, but it was because BUGS was clear on the government having the monopoly of violence, and that making organizations were pointless, that got me interested.

The only thing I disagreed with Bob on, was the need for a community that spoke of white genocide as something real, because I thought it needed to be created, while he seems to have thought it would come naturally as the meme spread.

Pol now speaks about white genocide as something real, so Bob is correct, but I spent about a year on cuckpol doing little but trying to get pol to focus on white genocide, so I had a point when I wanted BUGS to focus on creating a community, and then let the community spread it out.

To get the hijacked thread back on track, it might be time to talk a little bit about DNA testing of Humans and Animals.

Important here is principle that you can spot the origin of a species, to look for areas where the diversity is the biggest.

If you have three populations 1,2,3 with six individuals, one gene and two phenotypes:

1 AAAAA 2 aAaaA 3 aaaaa

The it's likely that 2 is the parent population of 1 and 3.

The more genes, and the larger the populations, the more sure this method becomes. There are some problems, but I don't think they matter, because it's not only one species.

If the method of taming animals is like I suggest, the all of the oldest domesticated animals are Scandinavian or Scottish in origin, because they were domesticated in the archipelago, where trapping animals on some of the 100.000 islands that the ice have made, was important up until after ww2.

If the stone age locals that controlled islands that were reachable by boat, but isolated enough that the animals did not just swim away, understood that they could trap weaned young animals on an island, and go back and kill a larger animal in the winter, then the step of letting them breed on the island would not be that big.

The problem that you would kill the tamest animals, because you did not understand this would make the animals afraid of humans, would still have been overcome.

Only animals afraid to swim long distances, would then have been domesticated, and none of the domesticated animals are good swimmers iirc.

Once the island with water around had been understood, and the animals were somewhat tame so they did not escape when watched, creating islands on land where the animals could be kept at night, want not a huge step. Especially if you had been doing it with young animals you had taken from the Island, to eat later.

That domesticated hens and geese are flightless, is an indication that they come from an Island somewhere, where it was enough to be able to escape to the nearest tree.

>>5466

First a correction

>The problem that you would kill the tamest animals, would still have to had been overcome, because you did not understand this would make the animals afraid of humans.

I also forgot to post this link on Russian experiments on domestication of the red fox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Domesticated_Red_Fox

I'll start with the horse, where the fjord horse has kept most of the UR-marking of the UR-horse, that have been bred away on the younger races.

From wikipedia

>The Fjord horse or Norwegian Fjord Horse is a relatively small but very strong horse breed from the mountainous regions of western Norway. It is an agile breed of light draught horse build. All Fjord horses are dun in colour, with five variations in shade recognised in the breed standard. One of the world's oldest breeds, it has been used for hundreds of years as a farm horse in Norway, and in modern times is popular for its generally good temperament. It is used both as a harness horse and under saddle.

…

>The primitive markings associated with the dun gene are often quite vivid in the Fjord horse. These include the dorsal stripe, darker mane and tail, horizontal stripes on the back of the forearms, and, in rare cases, transverse striping across the withers.[5] Some Fjord horses have small brown spots on the body or the head

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fjord_horse

This should also get a glance, as the you should be able to combine the primitive markings, to get an impression on how the wild horse looked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_markings

>>5471

>All things taken into consideration, you would put the Indo-European homeland as the fjords rather than the steppes or Anatolia, then?

Yes. fjord is the same root as ferry, ford and fare, so the fjord were the roads. Except roads were made for riding, so way is probably more correct.

>As you have it, the Runic system here is in parallel to the triglyphic system still evident and distillable today in Semitic languages.

I think the Semites are the smiths, but I also think the Israeli sources that say Judaism was a converting religion has a point.

I don't even know the Semitic letters, so I'll pass. I tried reading about them, but it's all chaos, so I concentrated in areas where I could read the language.

I kind of reckoned that if I showed English, Dutch,German and Nordic is futhorcian, then somebody that spoke slavic ,greek, shemitic could see if those languages traced back to Ur-furthorcian?

>>5472

>Something that might help you in the pursuit of the roots of language: The akkadian dictionary (the language of the assyrians and babylonians) is now complete and free to download.

It's nice that you have fate in me anon, but I'm not language a wizard, as you most have noticed.

If I did not need the Futharks in front of me to decode and encode runes,I might not have understood that the Futhark must have needed to have been the dictionary.

If I am correct, then the proofs need to be understandable to amateurs,because the experts will ignore it, so it will have to revolve around words that are still in use in English.

>>5475

Figured I could post some references:

http://www.musicofthebible.com/davidic_cipher.htm

I should note that the numerical system here obviously shows knowledge of the Base 10 number system. This could be helpful in tracking something down here.

>>5470

Undomesticated animals still have their camoflage, but as the herder need to find his animals, breeding them visible became important.

This means that we do not know how the ur-horse looked, The cave-painting in France forgeries BTW. The area bred horses at the time of the discovery, and you can find similar horses depicted on the cave paintings, depicted in contemporary art.

If you notice the two colored mane, on the Fjord horse, it's a type of camoflage called Disruptive_coloration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_coloration

>The function of a disruptive pattern is to prevent, or to delay as long as possible, the first recognition of an object by sight… irregular patches of contrasted colours and tones … tend to catch the eye of the observer and to draw his attention away from the shape which bears them.

The disruptive coloration is also the reason for piebaldism, as in the Nordlandhest/Lyngshest. Mane horse breeds shows this, but the Lyngs horse only need to be fed when it works, otherwise they live on the seashore eating weeds and seaweed all year around. Horses are still rather expensive, so they probably helped the horses during cold spells, but none of the N-European or Russian horses are delicate creatures.

By looking at the dole horse, you'll find countershading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countershading

Bronze and stone age people probably didn't bother with indicating counter shading, as you find in the French forgery.

What they did was to depict disruptive coloration, piebaldism, and spots, because that was the separating features.

>>5478

>This shows that the Decimal system (base 10) is also what was used in Egypt, possibly around 3000 BCE.

It's far more likely that Egypt is Dubai, where there will also be one huge ruin when the oil money run out.

Egypt got rich because they exported something, not because they developed technology. (they might have developed religious slavery and that is rather nasty.) The cat is supposed to be Egyptian, but one of the oldest and most hardy breeds, are the Norwegian Forrest Cats.

Egypt is one area I'll rather stay away from, and the same with all Chinese sources. When you have granite in the Pyramids, and the main stream "science" claim they are 5000 years old, discussing it based on main steam sources become impossible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Forest_cat

Because the Cat under no circumstances could have originated in Scandinavia, or gotten there early, it get's a very contorted history.

What is certain thoug is that the cat show a lot of traits is shares with the Main Coon Cat and the Siberian cats, in that they are good swimmers and climbers, can stay outside in the winter, and don't really need humans to survive.

>>5483

When I think about it, the cat was probably something brought home on ship, because we have something call UR-cat, later called "røys-cat", because it lived in the clearance cairns, Ur = non human made "røys", and it still lives there as well.

It's called stoat in English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoat

>The stoat (Mustela erminea), also known as the short-tailed weasel, is a species of Mustelidae native to Eurasia and North America, distinguished from the least weasel by its larger size and longer tail with a prominent black tip. The name ermine is often, but not always, used for the animal in its pure white winter coat, or the fur thereof.[2] In the late 19th century, stoats were introduced into New Zealand to control rabbits. The stoats have had a devastating effect on native bird populations (see stoats in New Zealand).

I think some the lichen on the rocks where you see the stout, (or on the svabergs with the rock carvings above) are the lichen still used to make litmus today, and that they used for dieing reds in the past.

>>5483

Another reason outside the Stoat being called Stoat in English and Ur-cat or cairn-cat in Nordic, that the cat came late, was that there is something called "Bu-orm". "Orm" is worm, but the word "bo" is missing in English. Dutch "boer", German "bauer" and Nordic "bonde" means farmer, but a "bo" is usually used where the occupant will defend the "bo" against others.

Wasps, humans, badgers, some snakes, and some birds "bor", but most animals are migratory, so they make temporary nests, if they make anything at all.

It's "Bu-orm" and not Bo-orm, because it's boorm wuld be read borm, and that don't give the correct explanation to what it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_snake

>The grass snake is typically dark green or brown in colour with a characteristic yellow collar behind the head, which explains the alternative name ringed snake. The colour may also range from grey to black, with darker colours being more prevalent in colder regions, presumably owing to the thermal benefits of being dark in colour. The underside is whitish with irregular blocks of black, which are useful in recognizing individuals. In Great Britain, the grass snake is the largest reptile, reaching up to 190 centimetres (6 ft 3 in) total length, though such large specimens are rare.

…

>To survive and hatch, the eggs require a temperature of at least 21 °C (70 °F), but preferably 28 °C (82 °F), with high humidity. Rotting vegetation, such as compost heaps, are preferred locations. The young are about 18 centimetres (7 in) long when they hatch and are immediately independent.

In the Nordic countries compost did not exist on the farm, as the parts of the plants that was not used otherwise became fodder. What existed was dung heaps close to farms, and these reached high enough temperatures for the eggs to hatch.

If it is called Bu-orm because it's found where humans kept animals, or if they let the worm live in the houses on the yards, in exchange for it eating pests, I don't know.

What I do know, is that it was custom to

put an eel or a trout in the well to keep the water safe for humans, but I don't know if was really true that they used to have "hugg-orm"- "Hook-worm" there, so they would eat insect and rodents attracted to the water.

That children are more easily scared by the adder full of "Hooked" instinctual warning signals to get other animals to stay away, than the are of drowning in the well, could also mean it's a myth.

The eel or the fish in the well is however not at myth, and it is quite ingenious, since both species demand very little just to survive, and none of them share parasites with humans or the animals we keep. The trout or the eel will however eat anything else, before it becomes food for something dangerous to humans. If it dies, it will float up, so as long as you can see it moving, the water is safe to drink.

That they got stuck in the pipes, when the English started with pumps in their wells, and that this led to people becoming sick, seem to have been why the tradition died out in Britain.

That it was better to close the well, so no organic material reached it, once pumps were installed, is probably also a big reason the tradition seems to have died off over there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_berus

>Vipera berus, the common European adder[3] or common European viper,[4] is a venomous snake that is extremely widespread and can be found throughout most of Western Europe and as far as East Asia.[2] Known by a host of common names including common adder and common viper, adders have been the subject of much folklore in Britain and other European countries.[5] They are not regarded as especially dangerous;[3] the snake is not aggressive and usually bites only when alarmed or disturbed. Bites can be very painful, but are seldom fatal.[6] The specific name, berus, is New Latin and was at one time used to refer to a snake, possibly the grass snake, Natrix natrix.[7]

>The common adder is found in different terrains, habitat complexity being essential for different aspects of its behaviour. It feeds on small mammals, birds, lizards, and amphibians, and in some cases on spiders, worms, and insects.

>>5483

>>5484

>>5485

>It's "Bu-orm" and not Bo-orm, because the last would have been read as one long vowel (borm), and then the meaning would have been lost, as it would have had a Latin name.

The reason i do so many mistakes, is that I use a laptop computer to write with at the moment, and I haven't really used such a small keyboard before. Not really a good excuse, because it's also laziness.

That said, the reason I have been posting so much about them, is that I'll try to write them with them with runes later on.

That the verb "bo" is missing in English, might be because it was too similar with the verb to "be". It might also be the same word to "be", as to be without a home meant death to the Britons. Sayings like an Englishman's home is his castle might exist to underline a separation that has gone missing.

You also have the suffix -by in English, and it means a collection of farms or houses owned by different self-owning families.

If it is owned by one family, it's a "tun", that you find in English Washing-ton or town.

You also find more than one Warwick in England, and a vick is bay or harbour where the ones that rowed Viking, that is with rowed with double crew, one resting while the other rowed, changed rowers and resters, as a Swedish guy found out.

The Wynn Rune means change of side or direction or that something is bendable, and is found in week =veke, wick=vik, wine=vinje, winter=vinter, weak=veik, will=vilje, just to name a few in English and Norwegian.

To go back to warwick it's not war in killing people. This war were some verb-form of the verb "to be", as it's found in "you are" and "we were".

To be in Nordic is "være", and a place where fishers live during seasonal fishing is called a "vær".

You need to used google translate, as the English is cucked by the multicult.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiskev%C3%A6r

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_village

You live on a "fiske-vær", but you "bor" in a "bo-lig".

-lig = like as in similar=the suffix -lish in English. You also have the Byzantine Varangian guard, that are called "væringer" in Norwegian, the same name used for the ones that now live on a Fiske-vær.

The wynn in "were", indicated change, or "to be or not to be", but it's dropped from the present "are". In Norwegian "å være, er, var, har vært" English "to be, I am-you are, we were, have been"

I don't really have an explanation for it, except that the separation became unimportant, but that does not tell why it became unimportant.

BTW C is Kaun, meaning change, transformation, and row and rew is similar so at Kaun-rew , could have been interchangeable crews of rowers, that ended up with the E, since the o was taken by crow, and the Crow needed the O a lot more?

The tame animals are called "bu-fe", and the "bu" is the "bu-orm" again, while the fe is the FE Rune, meaning livestock and other goods and rights, like ownership of a stream.

I'm guessing a lot here, just to be clear, but it should all fit together if we are writing Futhorician,

I am pretty certain that the Birch rune meant protection, a blanket or a cover, and that the o or u in bo, bu was the Odal rune. The Odal rune meant inheritance, duty, so a BO is inherited shelter you defend against outsiders.

>>5486

I forgot Borough and Burrow, and I need some way of writing vowels for later, so this post is kind of a filler.

If languages change a lot when they change encoding systems, then you would expect to see systematic differences.

Swedish & Norwegian pronounce words much the same, but we write the words rather differently. Norwegian and Danish write the words the same, but use somewhat different phonemes and encoding rules, so it sounds rather different.

All of the Nordic languages are more or less phonetically written and where it deviates, it's to separate words or because some old spelling rule stuck.

All the Nordic languages included German, English and Dutch have 9 vowels phonemes, and together they have an uncountable number of consonant phonemes.

The short E and the long E is not the same length as the short U and the long U. How the vowels are pronounced are not the same around the North sea, but all have 9, and all have long and short versions.

I'm not sure that is true of English, as they have been through "The Great vowel change", but it is correct enough, since we are not out to give a perfect description of English but look at how the spelling have changed compared Nordic and German.

English only have 6 vowels, so encoding the different vowels is a bit of a problem.

I have tried to show the long and short vowels in English.

A = father, bark, lark

E = Erik,else, end - bell, tell, hell,hello

I = ship, lip, hip, - keep, sleep,bleed

O = took,hook,look, boon, toon, loon

U = pure, lure, cure

Y = -I, cry,sky,fly,why

Æ = bat, hat, cat

Ø = run,bun, hun, cuck,puck,fuck

Å = lot,hot,rot,

All the North Sea languages have changed vowels to some degree, because the languages use somewhat different vowels today, but it's English that have changed the most, as their vowels deviates from the others the most.

That English don't have consistent one-to-one mapping of vowel phones to letters, disqualify English pronunciation of he vowels, and since I am Norwegian, I will use the Dano-Norwegian system although the Swedo-German or the Anglo-Dutch system could also have been used.

To get back to Burrow,Bulwark, Borrow, Borough, bury, my guess is that the corresponding words in Norwegian is "bol, bolverk, borge, borg, bore

Snake-burrow = orme-bol

Bulwark = bolverk = defensive works bored to keep the fiend out of the "Bo",

>BOLVERK Evil-Doer The name odin used when he went to Jotunheim to steal back the mead of poetry. Odin took the form of a tall, strong man. When he found nine slaves working wearily in a field, he offered to sharpen their scythes with his whetstone. The slaves were so impressed with the sharpness of their blades after Bolverk had honed them that they asked for the whetstone. Odin-Bolverk threw it up in the air. As they scrambled to catch it, the nine work-ers managed to kill each other with their scythes. Thus Odin-Bolverk was able to ingratiate himself with their master, Baugi, who now had no workers and was glad to employ the stranger. As a reward for his work, Baugi eventually led Odin to the cave where the mead of poetry was hidden. The character of Bolverk shows Odin as a devious, cruel being who will shed the blood of others to gain his ends.

The pictures show the evolution of Forts(borg-er). I could not find any good illustrations of "bygde-borg-er", but if you look at the more modern "borger", a new word was needed for the old "borger", turning them into "bygde-borger"

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Bore = bore in the meaning to drill a hole. You use a drill to drill a hole, but you don't have to use a bore for a borehole.

Bury = also bore I suspect. In Norwegian, in stead of digging a grave for others, you "graver en grav for andre"

Borrow = Borge, to gain private use of something others or the common own for a short time. In Norwegian it's used in the army and in prisons, where you "borrow" clothes and equipment. It's not really yours, but it is yours until you get new ones or get out. In the army it includes that you should protect the object you borrow.

Borough = Borg. This is Burg in German, and the inhabitants are Burgers.

Orc in Futhorc mean labor, mindless work, and with the Birch-rune as protection, cover,shields, what a Borg is becomes clear. The Kaun-rune seems to have been one of the runes that have been both pronounced differently depending the vowel behind it, and depending on region.

If English is common, as Tolkien and the Icelanders call it, aka the common language of the Anglers, that needed writing to remember the daymarks, seamarks and landmarks, dropping genders and substituting phonemes makes sense, if it avoids being misunderstood. If it is one thing you have enough of as a fisher or sailor, it's teaching the lore to the next generation as you await the next "With" to come up, so it don't have to mastered at once.

If some said BÅRJ, others BORJ, BORG, BÅRK, changing(KAUN derived word?) it to ow, so you are sure the listner don't misunderstand, makes sense.

NB J if the consonant of Norwegian vowel I. The English "I" would be written "AI" while the English "J" would be DJ.

There are "millions" of "Borgs" in the Nordic Nations, and if they are done before mortar as used. To Build is bygge (infinitiv), bygger(present), bygd(past), skal bygge (future), so a bygd is a built up area. Norway consists of "inn-mark" = By-er(cities) + Bygd-er(the countryside) and "ut-mark"(wilderness), and this classification is irrelevant if you are in the archipelago or the inland.

The article "the" comes after the noun in Nordic,

a Borough = en borg

the borough =, borg-en

boroughs = borg-er

the borough = borg-ene

This rather complicated Norwegian sentence should now be decipherable.

"Bygde-borg-er vart bygd av bønd-er som bo-dde i bygd-en til-bake til bronse-alder-en"

"bygde-forts" were build built by farmers(bønder) that live-d(bo-dde) in the borough(bygd-en, the voting district) back to the Bronze-age.

The pictures are of more "borg-er".

>>5490

>I've read that book, and it isn't particularly credible.

From what I have seen from the theory on the net, I agree.

>Christianity is a Hellenic mystery religion that combines the Hebraic prophetic tradition with platonic metaphysics.

Christianity might have been that at some point in time, but that is too precise for the chaos we find before the reformation and a good time after, if you look at the church art that have survived.

God knows what heresies that were depicted by the ancestors of the generation that finally managed to restore true Christianity, because they had been handed the true printed version of the gospels in their own language.

>>5492

>>5493

Nothing here hinges on details, so don't bother too much if I have the wrong interpretation of runes, or a word. The UR-words used in the UR-futhark

I don't think we know real vowel phoneme connected to ODAL or UR runes, but Nordic say U like cure,lure,who, and O like book, look, hook.

UR-futhorcian seems to have had two R-sounds, the Rolling R and the current English R or the indian L for R sound.

The R in UR is the rolling R, and I think the ELK/ELG/ALGIR is the thick L. This phoneme have no rune/letter in the successor alphabets, so it's indicated by two ll as in Spanish or lj. It's because I suspect the "L" in bulwark is the ALGIR, and not L as in the LAKE-Rune. I don't know what ALGIR means though.

To continue with animals, I kind of forgot the fret.

From wikipedia:

>The Mustelidae (from Latin mustela, weasel) are a family of carnivorous mammals, including the otter, badger, weasel, marten, ferret, mink and wolverine. Mustelids are diverse and the largest family in the order Carnivora. The internal classification is still disputed, with rival proposals containing between two and eight subfamilies.

otter=oter, badger=grevling, weasel, marten=mår, ferret=frett, polecat =ilder, mink=mink and wolverine=jerv. Martens and minks are from the Americas, but we see from the wiki-quote that determining the number of species are difficult today, so it must surly have been difficult in the past, if you look at how much the tame animals(bu-fe) vary. The polecat and the tame ferret look the same to amateurs, except for size.

So one way to group animals is if they are related or not, and another is if they are tame or not.

A thirds is if they built or bored a BO or BOL in the middle of their turf, and that they defended against parasitism of their own kind.

Animals that claim exclusive territorial rights are usually made to be seen by competitors, so they signal that messing with me will mean trouble.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aposematism

>Aposematism (from Greek ἀπό apo away, σ̑ημα sema sign, coined by Edward Bagnall Poulton[1][2]), perhaps most commonly known in the context of warning coloration, describes a family of antipredator adaptations in which a warning signal is associated with the unprofitability of a prey item to potential predators.[3] Aposematism is one form of an "advertising" signal (with many others existing, such as the bright colours of flowers which lure pollinators). The warning signal may take the form of conspicuous colours, sounds, odours[4] or other perceivable characteristics. Aposematic signals are beneficial for both the predator and prey, both of which avoid potential harm.

>Aposematism is exploited in Müllerian mimicry, where species with strong defences evolve to resemble one another. By mimicking similarly coloured species, the warning signal to predators is shared, causing them to learn more quickly at less of a cost to each of the species.

>>5496

>The UR-words used in the UR-futhark

I forgot to finish this bit.

Until we know both all the 24 runes of the futhorc, and how these words were spelled using the 24 runes, being ultra precise would not be important, since you need to see at a bunch of similar words to get the meaning anyway.

Other animals that show warning coloration is nest or burrow building birds, but having warning coloration became dangerous for the animals big enough for the humans to bother to hunt, so it might have been more of them in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_kingfisher

>Like all kingfishers, the common kingfishers is highly territorial; since it must eat around 60% of its body weight each day, it is essential to have control of a suitable stretch of river. It is solitary for most of the year, roosting alone in heavy cover. If another kingfisher enters its territory, both birds display from perches, and fights may occur, where a bird will grab the other's beak and try to hold it under water.

Bees are another animals that build a "bol", and as the build a Ball to protect the Queen during swarming, and protect the burrow otherwise, naming them with the Birk rune is fitting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dark_bee

That it's the darkest bee, and was able to survive a mite attack in Norway, is an indication that it might be both native, and domesticated around the North-Sea.

What is important to the wild animals, is not being spotted by a human at a distance. The Elk or Otter, is quite well camouflaged, so it's usually that it moves that makes you see it. Cows, sheep,horses,hens and geese are easy to spot, since the counter shading have been bred away.

Humans can't see UV light, so the warning patterns meant to scare everything but humans away, would then light up in UV light, while the camouflage is in the human spectrum.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2885872/Shocking-UV-camera-lens-proves-difference-sunscreen-really-makes-just-badly-skin-left-exposed-without-it.html

That most other animals other than monkeys can see ultra violet, makes it probable that the warning marks on the bee is even stronger in the UV spectrum.

The red badger might still have dark markings in the UV spectrum, and the same might be true for the white one.

The black and white badger might also be three colored if, you add the UV spectrum, so it would be interesting to see some pictures.

>>5499

It was to AVOID having to argue about stuff like this, that I have more or less dropped historical sources.

Have looked for archeological remains to see if the story you just told is possible?

I have, and I have tried finding proof others will accept, but the belief in the absolute truth in History as it has been written, is the same as what happened, makes it a futile endeavor.

It was because discussing revisionism had shown itself so futile, that I started to look at animals and the Runes.

If metals, boats and the domesticated animals originated in N-Europe, and we still speak futhorcian, then we can finally drop the Bible and it's lux ex oriente fiction.

>>5497

>>5496

I'll stop with the animals "bu-fe" for now, and the ones interested can read more about the here:

http://www.nordgen.org/index.php/en/content/view/full/1843/

>Nordic farm animal breeds

Farm animals have been a part of Nordic agriculture since the Neolithic period, or New Stone Age, about 5000 years ago. Different species have then further developed into the breeds of today through selection of breeding animals as well as natural selection. Thus, farm animals contribute to our common heritage and are the prerequisite for all future development of agriculture.

The Nordic breeds are old, no matter if think history is cucked or not.

The main reason I focus on how animals look, is that humans are animals, and white people look different than brown people.

Animals that claim territory, are usually meant to be seen by their competitors, even though they might be camouflaged for the human eye.

The parrots might have their plumage in the visual range of humans, because they have not been subjugated to human predation, while the territorial animals that have lived along humans since the stone age, and that is big enough to eat, have gotten their warning marks outside the human visual range.