No.69
You can't effectively force/manufacture memes, they're organic.
Discuss.
No.73
>>69
Sure. You're wrong. You learn how to create memes that amenable to spreading. you do that by creating a lot of them and paying attention to what works.
No.74
Perhaps, but we don't need to.
The memes are already there, the information just needs to be put in the right place
Things like swedish rape stats, and leftist double think need only be brought to the light
The truth just needs to be made palatable
We're not trying to raise Millhouse
Memes in the traditional sense must be organic, but we provide the fuel for what memes are created by what information is spread and the agenda that is set.
And perhaps, with effort, we can unlock the underlying principle of meme dankness
No.79
>>73
This image is insane.
No.84
>>69
That's true.. we can force a meme locally (on 8chan) But for it to spread enough to gain power we must first consult the hivemind to answer this question: how to manufacture a meme which 1) causes a specific thought 2) is dank enough to grow it's own wings and fly into the public's consciousness
So need to decide what exactly is being conjured, and what is the best imagery/phrasing to bring about exactly that outcome, and then how do we convert this into a meme.
Also we need to decide it's path. We can't fire blindly and aim for a meme that will be repeated by all groups it has to be something like 'the primary path of travel for this meme will be vidya forums and circles' Or 'this meme will proliferate best among social justice cucks'
No.87
>>74
Putting statistics on a meme could be affective… But then again that isn't what we are trying to do here. We aren't trying to make memes that will enlighten some people and wake a few up… We are trying to create something that somehow metaphysically forces them to open their eyes and snap out from under the spell the elites have cast on them. We are literally attempting to cast a lvl 99 curaga
No.96
>>84
By analyzing the group in question you can identify what will appeal to them
For instance, you can turn the marxists on ISrael by showing Israeli apartheid
"Israeli Apartheid" becomes the meme and it incorporates readily into their belief structure
By degrees I imagine you can change whole social mindsets
No.116
>>69
I will not take part in this discussion as I fucking hate the talkers that talk talk talk, but never do anything, as HIGH STATUS = telling other what to do.
The time and energy wasted here, could be used to post or create memes, and good discussions only bring people who want to show off how smart they are, but think doing something themselves, is beneath them.
No.117
>>116
Except that since we're dealing with memes, so talking is literally the whole point
No.119
>>116
We talk, get interested in an idea, then we do it
That's how memes develop, there is a critical mass that is reached when enough discussion occurs
No.374
>>69
SCPs have been forced in the past, not with a real meaning thou
No.378
No.389
>>96
>Israel is an apartheid state
>Hitler was a vegetarian
Hmm
No.392
/int/ department of SCPlogy here er no, I'm from somewhere else, but the fact that many people think that /int/ is a SCPfactory of shitposting is a SCP itself here on 8chan, you need to make your SCPs fun, joke SCP that can be easely understable without having read anything previously
ej. nobody is going to laught about a cultural marxist joke if they don't understand the concept of cultural marxist before; so think like an idiot would do
No.395
All menes are forced. You just have to make a breakthrough.
No.403
>>392
"Hitler did nothing wrong" is a great example
it's the taboo that makes it fun
And the marxists supply tons of taboos and therefore tons pf m eme-unition
No.424
>>69
>What was doge
>What is pepe
>What is Spurrdo
No.435
You simply need to make people willing to force them. The way SCPs spread is when SCPlords blurt them out in a situation where it isn't welcome. Without context and humor or some other appeal the mene will fall short, so we need to implant properties into any manufactured SCP that makes it more spreadable. This can be done by taking elements from previous SCPs that have worked, similar to genetic engineering.
No.436
Practical politics is all about forcing SCPs.
Was "Diversity is our strength" organic or forced?
Was "We all bleed red" organic or forced?
Was "Israel is the only democracy in the middle-east" organic or forced?
It only takes a handful of neo-cons on tv to push these into the population and SCP themselves into power
No.437
>>436
this word filter a shit
No.438
OP is partially right. We need to ride momentum. Accelerate the SCPs we see picking up an direct them to our benefit.
Taking advantage of existing momentum is ESSENTIAL as a small, outnumbered group. If we had our own Protocols, this would be one of the most important tenets.
No.439
>>436
Of course it can be forced when you control the dialogue in the first place.
No.440
>>439
We don't have huge tv opportunities like neocons.
TV is dead though. So are newspapers and radio.
The internet killed them and we own the net.
/pol/ owns the mentality of the net and we've just discovered how to take control of society. SCPs.
No.441
>>440
With this new, open medium, we need to form our own Protocols quickly.
No.442
>>441
There were some older threads on /pol/ about starting The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Thule but those faggots didn't understand the power of SCPs and collapsed under le pseudointellectualism
No.447
>>69
is getting butthurt organic too?
No.449
>>442
>The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Thule
Love it.
No.461
>>73
Off-topic, but this image is a great example of SJWs completely failing to understand the mind of their opponents, no one who would utter the phrase "I hate black people" aloud also "likes to think he's color blind," jesus christ these people are dumb
No.463
>>461
A lot of their shit has problems like that. It always seemed to me that they only ever meant to circlejerk around it with each other rather than actually use it against anyone and why would they need to do that when they already basically run academia and media anyway?
No.609
The nature of a genuine SCP is such that it is very rare, compared to the input of content. Most things are not going to be spread as SCPs. The organic SCP adoption process is, at the moment, the best way to separate to gems from everything else.
Basically:
>A SCP is not a SCP because of its implementation, but because of its particular qualities
>SCPs are the things that stick
>The organic process is the mechanism for determining what is a SCP
>A SCP taps into a "quirk" or ripple of the collective psyche
No.612
>>438
SCPs, essentially, tap into existing trends and amplify them.
No.630
>>69
It would seem that way, ebola-chan, pepe, and bane were all accidents and were later adopted and strengthened by us.
We SCP empowerers, not SCP gods. One does not just simply CREATE a SCP, a SCP must come of it's own free will.
We must then tame the SCP, and let it evolve naturally, in the direction our will takes it.
No.651
>>69
>You can't effectively force/manufacture SCPs, they're organic.
We cannot manufacture them YET. That's why we should experiment and research
No.656
>>612
Give that man a medal
>SCPs tap into and amplify existing trends
So in a way they can't be manufactured because they must have a basis, but in a way they can be manufactured because we can identify both benificial and non beneficial trends and bring them to light with targetted SCPs
Turn noticed trends into humorous content
No.658
You are going to fail, because you are thinking too hard. You are also removing the fun, and more than all the shit in the op, fun is the deciding factor.
Fun is what gives the SCP its power, and nothing else. This is why they are unusuable by SCP-666s and governments.
No.659
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>612
>>656
The right SCP at the right time, amplified by repetition is like using sound to break glass.
You find the right residents, then you just increase the volume.
We develop the dankest SCP, manifest it into reality.
Breaking glass, breaking reality.
It all starts with a sound…
No.660
>>651
Perhaps by forcing SCPs you can force trends
I think it's been done many times
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true
Look at the social ills effecting ua, that's how they came about
- promiscuity is liberation
- leftism is intellectualism
- whites are evil
These were all forced SCPs
Still, they were connected to more basic things
- justifications for sexual promiscuity are easy to push because it feels good and that is used as the basis
- 'whites are evil' has its basis in the fact that whites have acomplishes more than anyone else leading to jealousy. The other basis is that people assume that if outcomes are unequal then things must be unfair
- leftists are enamoured of appearing more intelligent than others and sprwad the SCP 'leftists are intelligent because leftist worldviews are correct because they are held by smart people who just so happen to be leftists' the basis for much of 'intellectual' leftism is pride and a want to be seen as superior
No.661
>>658
What could be more fun than saving the world?
DEUS VULT!
No.662
>>660
>Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true
This line itself is a SCP.
It's not about what's true, it's about what people will believe.
"Diversity is our strength" and "Israel is the only democracy in the middle east" have become 'true' through repetition.
Repetition is key.
"Diversity is our strength" and "Israel is the only democracy in the middle east" aren't true, they're fashionable opinion.
OUR SCPs can't be BACKED UP with the truth, but the real goal ought be to get being pro-White fashionable.
No.663
>>659
That's an excellent analogy
No.664
>>662
>Our SCPs can't be backed up by truth
Yes they can, truth is definite, we're talking about how to market it
Our SCPs will be true SCPs because we will not push what we know to be false, the moment you break from that the SCP-666s have have you
No.665
>>664
Yes. The difference between our pro-White SCPs and SCP-666 SCPs will be that we will only deal with legitimate associations.
SCP-666ish SCPs are always illegitimate, "Diversity is our strength" or "Israel is the only democracy in the middle east."
No.667
>>665
I'm going to draw up position argumenta for our SCPs
Short philosophical arguments that get to the root of the issue
If we're going to do this right we need to be able and willing to find out the truth
No.668
>>667
Great!
What i'm loving about /bmw/ is that people are TRYING things.
No endless culture of critique like the shittier parts of /pol/
/bmw/ is for when you have that thought "aww, it'd be cool if SOMEONE did THIS" and then YOU go ahead and have a try.
No.671
>>668
We do because we must, we're fighting a war here in a very real sense
No.673
>>671
Team pro-White has been fighting the propaganda war poorly for decades.
We're playing catchup but anti-Whites as a general rule are kind of failures. We get the SCP game down to a science and we can take 'em.
No.5138
>>668
That's because there are much fewer disinfo agents here.
The endless critique
is not made by users trying to make a difference,it is made by paid shills trying to dilute and distract from the discussion,trying to make the movement ineffective.
I think the reason this board has remained free of those dreaded shills is its relatave obscurity,and common purpose.
ie,shills cannot pretend to be a confused (and yet possibly convinced) liberal who wastes and diverts large amounts of halfchan /pol/s brainpower at any given time
No.5152
Yes, you can "force" memes. Mainly you do it by appearance of progressive mass acceptance.
Too much too quick is a red flag. Very occasionally for months and months without death is a red flag too.
Look up the bell curve and imagine starting out on the left side and move right-ward. See how it slopes up gradually at first until it reaches a maximum "going-up-ness" (max slope)? That's the way your forced introductions should look.
Also, don't be alarmed, because the "forced meme" meme is a meme that is used much like the "shill!" meme is used: silencing. The occasional accusation is someone who's meme complex did not agree. A barrage of accusations may mean insufficient introduction style or that the meme is too incompatible for uptake.
No.5153
>>658
Poster has a point regarding the attractiveness of the meme.
Memes of duty and obligation mean little in a low-investment culture like ours.
Memes of triviality, however, are attractive. They seem transitory and non-demanding. They leave the target more elated, in an elevated mood.
Remember: meme fitness is a thing.
No.5195
>>69
For example, take this OC I just made. I can spam this all over every single board, but it won't have an effect unless it is shared by someone. Once it has been shared, it will eventually end up being seen by someone who is talented enough to recreate this meme in his own way, whether it be through drawing or another photoshop job. His creation and the original will then be shared, and along its path the meme will be named. In essence, a meme is a conscious entity that wishes to "infect" itself into as many minds as possible to increase its odds of survival. So when a meme is described as being "organic", it struggles for survival and whether it lives or dies is based on what environment it is released into, and its effectiveness towards the target audience. Survival of the fittest for memes, basically.
No.5229
>>69
Someone has to make the .jpgs though.
No.5230
No.5265
Something people forget when they speak of synthetic vs natural, it's all natural.
For instance, barring a few short lived isotopes, everything made by man is composed of the same elements as found in nature.
Barring a few oddities, everything we spin here is natural. Some things like the Peepee and Poopoo are short lived outside of this laboratory, but otherwise they are as 'organic' as any other idea. The closest we have come to industrial memery is the neural dream machines, tying styles (or hellish dogscapes) into any meme we choose. Even then I'd compare it to fermenting more than manufacturing.
Forced memes are natural, just as much as genetic dead ends occur in species. Irish spam one potatoe, one kind of fungus wipes it out. It was a natural potatoe, and a natural fungus. Domestication is merely guided nature.
We had 'rick rolling', we spammed it. The normies got a hold of it and it died. It was natural.
No.5361
In the old days of 4chan there was a saying "you cant force a meme".
But its bullshit, you can totally force a meme, but it has to go through a process.
Hatred, irony, normalcy.
At first everyone will hate the meme and feel like you are forcing it, you are.
Then trolls will see the meme and start posting it ironically, or to troll.
Then eventually people will accept it as part of normal board culture.
You just have to be autistic enough to keep spamming it every day
No.5375
No.5468
A meme starts with the simple introduction of a specific idea to the head of an individual. The idea has to be special - it has to be very unique and not been known to the individual while subconsciousness pandering to the other memes that are spinning around the head of the individual. These pre-existing memes, or original memes, in the head of the individual can be compared to valves for the memes that block the entrance of the meme into the human psyche. There are specific valves that let in more of the meme into the head- these can all be attributed by specific characteristics of people that traces to the root of their personality- their core sense of self. For example a very stereotypical sjw will have a valve that has something to do with neglect combined with another valve with justice. When a meme that satisfies both valves gets into contact with that person, it is let in and begins to manifest itself. I assume at this stage we can call it the 'intitaition' and the meme doesn't hold a lot of power, but if repitition is used - something similar to the spaced repitition process which education is set up to be, the meme turns into an pseudo- original meme and begins to manifest its power. Original memes are the ones that follow the definition of a meme, a self generating idea. Most of the so called 'memes' on the internet are not real memes, they are mere ways of fulfilling the human need to communicate, to share, to conform. The question is how much power do they really hold? I assume people tend to gather around people with similar original memes as a sense of security. This may be the reason as to how the power of memes can be harnessed. The internet has allowed for people of differing original memes to come into contact with each other. In the old world before this informamtion age, original memes were isolated. We can identify them as cultures and societies, the ways of life that humans have passed down through the teachings of the old to the young. However individuals that have not had any guidance in their lives are blank spaces programmed with memes from the media that they consume. Original memes are grabbed onto by children as hard as possible, and its very certain that these are the ones that follow them into their lives and will never ever shake. However, what happens when these original memes don't exist? When neglect happens and they are never injected into the mind? These children grow up to be influenced by whatever they had been given as entertainment as a child, and are easily influenced by the memes of the internet as they cannot differentiate between a reputable source and that of bullshit. Certain agendas are fairly easily pushed- integrate into the culture of whatever forum you wish to, post a meme that satisfies the valves of the user base and it will propagate quickly. Small groups can call these insider signs, secret messages to identify themselves and a way to fulfill their valve of existence or acceptance in a group, or the the valve to feel special. Larger groups have memes that make them feel a part of something- these memes if forced need to be constantly posted to create an image of that it is held by the majority of the forum dwellers. This can happen on the internet or in real life as show with the rise of Nazi Germany or Communist Russia where a fairly small portion of the population pushed the nation into a different direction. The internet magnifies how much influence individuals have as the majority of forum visitors are not ones to post, but to follow what their valve of obedience says to and obey. This is the true power of the internet.
No.5469
>>5468
People fear and would rather take and then propagate- this is a very clear indication seeing as how the flow of memes tend to propagate from the chans into the lower dominions of the internet as facebook, twitter, buzzfeed have shown. It degrades from less normal to more normal and then the i'm special valve kicks in and the less normals drop the meme. The normals then also drop this meme after a while because it has not turned into an original meme. This is where the interesting part kicks in. The majority, and by far the majority of people at this moment have very very clear original memes that will never change. However there are ways to fool the valve. Remember how different valves have different strengths? If one meme satisfies a very strong valve and disagrees with a weaker one, whether partially or fully, it has the possibility of becoming a pseudo-meme. This is where the majority of meme research should be going into, identifying and stereotyping the people of the forums and identifying the valves through various posts that test the limit of the valves. Go from highly radical to weaker and see how and where the limit of the valves end. Then a specific meme with a specific intent can be created which has the possibility of spreading fairly quickly. Format of the memes? Images in which the composition is very very very simple- a simple head shot, circular square shapes, etc and where the image is not focused on the artistic merit but the information that it conveys. However some sort of aesthetic sense must be there. For word memes it is very difficult as to see how they work as I am no master of the such, and perhaps someone more skillful in the art of the language can build on it.
No.5548
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>>69
You can plant a seed but you can't force a plant to grow.
But picking the right seed for the right environment and caring for it with water and nutrients increases its odds of survival and propagation.
Also the most potent plants are grown in labs :).
>inb4 you can't into metaphores
No.5550
>>461
Exactly right. Most "racists" are aware of their own views on race. Hence the term, race realist.
No.5551
>>5361
I also think that if you have enough people spouting different and yet similar enough memes, then your meme will be effective. That's why it's important for everyone to be on the same page.
And that's also why I'm in the organic camp because I think that you don't just simply tell a large group of people to be on the same page. It just happens.
No.5564
>>5551
Agreed, large scale coordination happens incidentally as large portions of anons all arrive to the same conclusion semi-independently (this can be influenced by which information is available for them to look at and how hard and often the information is shoved in their face)