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 No.8303

New thread because the other OP was shit and i didnt want to post in it >>8101

ITT Discuss linguistics and how it relates to memetics, psychology, and cognition. A very good thread on this topic can also be found here

>>>/8diamonds/2892

Linguistics is in essence the study of language, a broad topic which also goes into pretty much every area of social science as well as 'brain' sciences and also computer science.

Due to the broad nature of linguistics this thread doesnt have any defined topic, but here are things to start off

Some discussion starters

>Language is to Memetics as Currency is to Economics. Discuss

>Is Language just a big Memeplex? Discuss

will post more later

 No.8304

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 No.8306

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>>8303

>Linguistic Orthodox

Interesting read, but why not listen to Orwell and use good Anglo-Saxon words?

(you could also listen to BMW, and explain by using more real world examples if you want others to give feedback.)

http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit/

< I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

The radical hypothesis is that we speak languages that were constructed out of the Old Futhark.

Before there were books, the Alphabet(Futhark) needed to be the dictionary, so the readers knew what the string of runes meant.

As each rune had a meaning, a word written in runic could be deciphered, and what I think is more important, you could string runes together and create abstract words likes wyrd, and have others understand what you meant.

This method does not need to have been intentional, as it was the synonyms where the meaning could be read out the the runes used, that would have been chosen when you did not know if the reader knew the word in your own dialect.

What we also see is that the Old Futhark split up in regional ones, when we get enough writers and written material, as words could then be defined by their use, while new words were made by stringing pre/post-fixes on to other words, like the familiar racism, or by stringing words together like in Ginnunga gap.

Ginn=(be)gin

ung=young

gap = gap = empty

Ginnungagap= The beginning gap.

The reason I mention this, is that you by comparing the North-Sea languages can see how concepts have been purged, so to make them harder to understand.

For instance the word wyrd were purged from English, as God, not fate ruled supreme. Other concepts seem to have been purged because they went out of use because they were wrong.


 No.8307

I was just thinking of this.

How many ideologies have words that describe the action or belief AGAINST said ideology?

Racist for multiculturalism.

Anti-Semetic.

Islamophobic.

Homophobic.

Transphobic.

Etc.

I believe we need words that we can throw at the SJWs that are weaponized like the above, but for our ideology.

What should we name it?

>Hey man that is so naziphobic


 No.8308

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>>8307

>What should we name it?

The cucks are anti-white, so we already have names that work.


 No.8309

You see this in Russian: ра(з) used to mean enlightenment, and many words have this root at the front. Разврат, разбойник, разум, for some. And yet, if you ask about these words' meanings, you will be told something completely different, both in etymology and meaning.

Разврат meant the gates of enlightenment, now it has been (((redefined))) to mean degeneracy.

Разбойник was a fighter for enlightenment, not unlike us here, now it is a robber.

Разум is simply intellect. That one has not changed too much, but all the same it has changed.

These are not the only examples.


 No.8311

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LANGUAGE AND ETHNICITY

Linguistic Change in an Environment of Censorship

Consider the original word used to refer to blacks, 'negro'. back in the day this word didnt carry any explicitly negative connotations any more than saying 'african' does today, but somewhere down the line between then and now that all changed. america has gone through multiple different words to refer to africans, it started with negro, but eventually (around the 60s) this was deemed 'too offensive' and was replaced with the words 'black' and 'white'. This is interesting because it places africans as opposite to europeans, and while it was created to be less offensive than negro it actually creates more of a psychological separation between the ethnicities compared with using 'negro' and 'european'. The use of 'black' is also to some degree a euphemism, but it has been used so much that the word's definition became the euphemism. regardless, that is not the main point of this text, here i will discuss how the language is moving forward from black/white, and what direction it should take.

'Black' is now beginning to be considered offensive, and much like with 'negro', it is being slowly replaced by another, less offensive term, 'person of color'. I see this as an extremely negative development, here i will explain why. The term 'people/person of color' disregards all ethnic or racial roots and supplements the meaning of the term 'african/black' with just being a minority by skin color, in other words it reduces ethnicity to nothing but whether you are a minority or not. This is in a way scrubbing all identity from every minority ethnicity. Secondly, there is no alternate or inverse term of 'people of color' to refer to europeans, like there was with black/white. this completely cuts european ethnicity out of the picture, in fact it brings to mind the 1984 language >>2892 with the words 'good' and 'ungood', there is no opposite to 'good' but 'ungood', it becomes a binary choice, much like you are either a 'person of color' or not, it scrubs the european race completely from the language much like 'ungood' erases 'bad' from the language. and lastly, it ascribes the value of vibrancy or color to non-whites, and therefore positions white ethnicity as being opposite to vibrancy and color, instead implying blandness and dullness. This is almost definitely intentional, and considering where the term 'people of color' seemed to have originated (universities) it was likely crafted directly by a team of linguists.

All this being said, 'white' is still used to refer to europeans, but in the absence of the use of 'black' the term 'white' does not have the potency of being the opposite. In this way, 'white' is now pure euphemism for european, it does not relate to any other word in and of itself in relation to ethnicity, in other words the term 'white' is linguistically rooted together with 'black', and given that the use of 'black' is being phased out, the term 'white' will have very weak roots and therefore will be ill-defined and somewhat vague in meaning and context.


 No.8312

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Forging a Path to Clarity: Quietly Shaking Up the Linguistic Orthodox

One of the alternatives to 'white' is using 'european', as well as using the smaller european ethnic groups such as 'german', 'french' or 'british'. These words carry a number of benefits to them. Firstly they reconnect race to a greater ethnic group, including culture, land and traditions. speaking about 'european people' brings ideas of history, culture and the european continent to the mind, inversely 'white people' carries none of these connotations, and only describes skin color. In addition, the root of the word is much much stronger, being direct and relative to other terms like 'african', 'asian', 'indian' and 'arabic', which gives 'european' a greater context and stronger integration in the english language. the term also does not carry any connotations about other racial groups within it, such as black/white does with the two being opposite. the term 'european' exists in harmony with other similar words describing ethnic groups. And overall, the term is simply more direct and accurate.

Much the same with 'black' and 'person of color', the alternative is simply 'african' or 'african american' as which is already used. This applies the same benefits as described in the above paragraph, and in addition it no longer groups ethnic minorities into one descriptor. It is actually quite telling that the word that was crafted to be used as less offensive or racist than 'african' is in fact more divisive of ethnic groups on a psycholinguistic level than any other term. the term 'people of color' is hostile towards europeans by indirectly describing them as 'people of no color', it pits minorities as separate and apart from europeans and also includes an implied superiority of ethnic minorities. The alternative term 'african' does not have any implied superiority or inferiority, it is non-biased and carries no connotations either way, much more suitable for today's supposedly 'non-racist' left than 'people of color'.

Eventually 'white' will fall out of use much like 'black' is beginning to, it is up to us to help speed up this process, and direct linguistic change towards using better descriptive terms. The linguistic elites have decided to unleash 'people of color' into the language, a potentially extremely destructive change, however they have also unwittingly accelerated the usage of 'european' by weakening the term 'white'. No doubt, this still leaves a lot of work to do however, It will take time, but we must all direct our linguistic capital towards saying 'europeans' over 'whites' and 'african/asian/indian/arabic people' over 'people of color' or 'black'. Don't let the linguistic elites scrub european culture (or any culture for that matter) from the dictionary, to take back the minds of the people it is required that we take back our language.

>PS

Perhaps to look at it from a different angle, we could push 'person of color' for the elites. Consider it 'giving your enemy a defused bomb'. If the term becomes prevalent, we can call them out for their 'racist' linguistic techniques and the implied insults in their own words. This could be a way to expose hypocrisy within the nu-left and SJW circles, and the push for 'PoC' will fall on its head. The faster it goes the harder it hits the wall, perhaps it would make sense for us to speed up the spread of the term and when the time is right, destroy it. Currently it would seem that the university 'ethnic' courses are doing a good job getting the term in circulation, this could be a case of 'never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake', but honestly im unsure.

anyway, to summarize the current situation, we should all be saying 'european' instead of 'white' and 'african' instead of 'black', whether we should push 'PoC' is another question, to which i don't really know the answer.


 No.8313

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>>8309

>Разврат meant the gates of enlightenment, now it has been (((redefined))) to mean degeneracy.

Kind of like taking the word enrich and make an enricher out the immigrants that enrich our society so much according to the professor priesthood?

The reverse could be how a Quaker used to mean a quacker, the sound geese do, but the quakers took it as an honorary insult, and started to use it on themselves.

Are perhaps the heresy of the old believers connected to this this root? not that I think that old are more true than new, when it comes to Christianity, because the new would claim to be the true old church restored each time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raskol

I looked it up, and it means harlotry. It's interesting because a lotte is a female soldier today and the harold(end) used to be the general. Heer(ger)=hær(da-nor-swe)=army

The har-lot could have been her-etical priestesses/nurses/prostitutes of the train, the logistic part that followed the armies of old around.

I don't speak Russian, but it's my guess that Russian is another successor language that was constructed out of the old futhark, but it was slavonic runes in stead of the anglo-saxon futhark for old English/dutch or younger futhark as in old Norse .

Transcring between alphabets changes words, as some phones are missing. I can explain this better, but ultra short. Hebrew transcribed becomes Euro, if H is dropped and the b read as v as the spanish people do. I don't think Hebrew was the root though, but that hebrew and euro have the same root in the old futhark. If one could puzzle out the runes used to write it by looking at how it must have been written in the late runic stage for it to be written that particular way in successor languages.

Anyway a song making fun of knightly harlotry we find in a million versions in Scandinavia.

Herrene i hagen. (The noblemen in the garden, Herren=the Lord. Herre = lord )

They walk in Rosenborg garden in the Danish/Norwegian version, and it's barons and counts in Norway, that have no nobility left for some reason. (a Herremann is not something nice in Norwegian folklore)

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Finno-swedish version. I fjol så gick jag med herrarna i hagen 09.01.1975 live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxTMxsCpH3o

Lastly two versions about Kerstin that gets two children, and then dies.

Danish

Sillibrand(the silver fire=the moon)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc36weh4KrE

Embedded: Swedish

Gjallarhorn - I Riden Så (Ye Ride So Carefully)

Danish version:

Virelai - Rosenborghave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ffEKFjYB7c


 No.8314

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>>8311

Black did not mean swarthy, but was the word for ink, that is dark blue, so the subversion goes way further back. The black men were not niggers, and the red man was not a red skinned indian.

Blakk means something bright in Nordic, blekk is ink, while blikk is shiny metal alloy.

Forgetting who you really are, and thus becoming the tool of others, seem to be a recurrent theme in Nordic folklore at least.

Embed. Garmarna - Herr Olof

>The term 'people/person of color' disregards all ethnic or racial roots and supplements the meaning of the term 'african/black' with just being a minority by skin color, in other words it reduces ethnicity to nothing but whether you are a minority or not.

That you put an A before the Frisia, to get Africa is strange, when you have languages that are unable to begin a word with an F.


 No.8315

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>>8313

I mixed up the songs there, as the second song came out last in the post. so 1 and 4 are the "same" song.


 No.8337

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>>8311

>Consider the original word used to refer to blacks, 'negro'. back in the day this word didnt carry any explicitly negative connotations any more than saying 'african' does today,

I don't think that is true. Niggers have always been seen as primitive, so any word we use for them that starts out neutral, will take on the bad connotations the old word had.

The paradigmatic example could be "retarded", that started out neutral, but became something we call intelligent people as a way to say that they are below us in intellect.

It's usually the intellectuals that believes that a problem go away if you redefine, it and give it a new scientific word. The less mean explanation is that the degree of knowledge have increased, so you needed new categories.

I don't know the history of English terms for the mad over the years, but the Norwegian one is impressive, and I think it's roughly correct.

1. Galen. Same word as yell, and the result of somebody having done "Galdr" on you. Galehus=madhouses must have existed, as the meme lives on. nattergal=nightingale

2. Åndsvak. Ånd is purged from English, but it means spirit, ghost. Den hellige ånd = The holy ghost. Svak=weak, so the word means weak in spirit. (enlightenment)

3. Sinnssvak. Spirits did not exist, but the mind=sinn (think senses) does. (the start of sanatoriums)

4. Retardert = retarded. Norwegian doctors had been taught by the enlightened outland, that the retarded were not weak in the spirit. (Psychology was invented)

5. Psykisk utviklingshemmet. vikle= nesting a thread, so utvikling means outnesting, Hemmet means slowed down by something restricting you. Utviklingshemmet naturally became another slur, (around 1900)

6. Psykisk retardert. (around WW2)

7.

8. I don't know all of them, nor the order, as it was split up into more specific diagnosis.

9.

10. Bruker = user. One that uses public assistance services. (today)

11. Kunde = customer One that with public money can buy services. (haven't happened yet***)

***I'm sure that it will. It will make customer into a dirty word, so it might be the downfall of capitalism, as people start to call others customers when they are acting as they were be-yelled(galen)*

* the rebel Yell is probably a leftover of the galdr concept in English.

>Rare Footage of Civil War Veterans Doing the Rebel Yell


 No.8338

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>>8314

>Black did not mean swarthy, but was the word for ink, that is dark blue, so the subversion goes way further back. The black men were not niggers, and the red man was not a red skinned indian.

Black=blakk=saturated. That English need the Latin word for saturated, when black was used up for the color swarthy, is a further indication of this.

>>8309

You could post Latin transcriptions of Russian words, although I understand that it's hard sometimes.

The name «Пушкин» becomes «Pusjkin» in Norwegian, «Poesjkin» in Dutch «Pushkin» in English and Spanish, and «Pouchkine» in French and Portuguese, «Puschkin» in German and so on. (translated copypasta)


 No.8341

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File: 02fd22d4674e48a⋯.jpg (571.43 KB, 1500x998, 750:499, nikolas and swarthy peters.jpg)

File: c82472e26308ef3⋯.jpg (658.73 KB, 1200x1392, 25:29, deal with the devil.jpg)

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>>8309

>You see this in Russian: ра(з) used to mean enlightenment, and many words have this root at the front.

ра(з) =rats Might be the same root as Rat in German and råd in Nordic. A council is a Råd, a councilor is a Råd-giver, and "å vite Råd" is to know what to do.

>Разврат =Ratsvrat meant the gates of enlightenment, now it has been (((redefined))) to mean degeneracy.

What is understood by the gatest of the enlightenment? The priesthood probably became degenerate robbers.

>Разум (Razum z=voiced s) is simply intellect.

å vite råd =to know how/what to do

>Разбойник (Razbojnik) was a fighter for enlightenment, not unlike us here, now it is a robber.

The robed monks gathered the tenth. Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor.

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Papa Ratzinger is shitolic, but his name fits directly into Orwell's church of 1984 with the Archsinger of Canterbury as the robberbaron of airstrip 1.

Now back to Razbojnik, where bojnik is the same as Swedish pojk=English boy, if bojnik is diminutive of Boyar.

I'll explain better the images in the next post.


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>>8341

>Raskol (Russian: раскол, Russian pronunciation: [rɐˈskoɫ], meaning "split" or "schism") was the event of splitting of the Russian Orthodox Church into an official church and the Old Believers movement in the mid-17th century. It was triggered by the reforms of Patriarch Nikon in 1653, which aimed to establish uniformity between Greek and Russian church practices.

>The members of an influential circle called the Zealots of Piety (Russian: Кружок ревнителей благочестия Kruzhok revnitelei blagochestiya) stood for purification of Russian Orthodox faith. They strove to reform Muscovite society, bringing it into closer accordance with Christian values and to improve church practices. As a consequence, they also were engaged in the removal of alternative versions and correction of divine service books

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raskol

As for the word Raskol. The Ra is the same as in the last post, and the skol is recognizable as in English as shield. No longer the same word, but "skill" is a root that means to separate.

I don't know what to make of the raskol, as most of what we are told could be bullshit, even the date, other than to point out that black looks to have lost to the reds.

As for America, the blues beat the reds, and then made them into pirates and injuns to stop the people from changing side. If you look at DNA of white burgers that claim Creek(gringo=greek) ancestry, they are all European, further indication that a large part of the Indians were white settlers with of wrong faith.

I don't know when the war between the blacks and the reds started, what they fought about, or if it have stopped now. ;That they were willing to paint each other as the devil is quite obvious though.


 No.8354

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File: dc6cad58fb145b0⋯.jpg (82.78 KB, 500x332, 125:83, hats hanging hoods.jpg)

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>>8350

Grigori Yefimovich Rasputin (Russian: Григорий Ефимович Распутин [ɡrʲɪˈɡorʲɪj jɪˈfʲiməvʲɪtɕ rɐˈsputʲɪn]) (21 January [O.S. 9 January] 1869 – 30 December [O.S. 17 December] 1916) was a Russian mystic and self-proclaimed holy man who befriended the family of Tsar Nicholas II and gained considerable influence in late imperial Russia.

I looked it up, and Putin means someone belonging to the way/road, someone who goes along the way.

The same word as Putin in English might be bonded and in Bundin West-Norwegian, Band or bonds are not used for paths and ways, but it's not hard to understand that band could be used instead.

also

the bird Robin = Dompap =Cathedral pope. Dompapper and Cathedral Popes never existed though, and that is good, because a dompap is somebody stupid in Norwegian.

>>8341

>The robed monks gathered the tenth.

The thieves gathered the tenth even from the poor, while Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor.

Image two is the opposite of the Russian one, where the hatted and black hold trial over the red and hooded.

Also notice the headgear with the cucking stools.


 No.8356

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>>8350

>I don't know when the war between the blacks and the reds started, what they fought about, or if it have stopped now. ;That they were willing to paint each other as the devil is quite obvious though.

>Rolandskvadet | Norwegian ballad of the Song of Roland (lyrics)

The images in the vid are probably selected for aesthetic reasons but they show the black/blue and the reds fighting centuries before the reformation. It's not a good translation, so don't use it for more than to get an impression.

Roland kills blue men in this Norwegian song, but he is one of the blue men in this Swedish song. The fränka the swedes are trying to marry to a kings son, is the feminine dimminutive of Frank. If she had married a Frank, she would have become a Fruga?. It's frøken and Frue in Norwegian, Fraulein and Frau in German, but the word seems purged in English, if they did not make them into furies .

Garmarna - Vänner och Fränder, Verwandte und Freunde, Untertitel auf Deutsch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TL0PARA3GA


 No.8365

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>>8311

>All this being said, 'white' is still used to refer to europeans, but in the absence of the use of 'black' the term 'white' does not have the potency of being the opposite.

I'm pretty sure that White started out as Christians, like in White Christ and red Thor.

There is another reason for mentioning this, as it looks like they became universal, so the red-black/blue war, became red-white against black/blue-white.

The point is that it's doubtful that the red-blue war can be stopped, as it seems emergent out of out of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Let's say blue(NATO) took out red (Russia+China), if that is how the colors are at the moment, the result would be that the color red would be free for some new coalition to organize around.

Another reason that the red vs blue war never ends, is that they both incorporate the things that gives the enemy the advantage.

If both sides think they get an advantage over the other by suppressing (pro)Whites, they will do so, until the White faction have grown so large that we get red-white against blue, at which point blue will go (pro)white as well. White now no longer work as a separator, and that means it can be dropped without a loss of meaning.

If red,white or black evolves to mean something else, a new name is taken for the color, so that doesn't really change anything.

White people are not really white, so one might for instance say snow white for the color in the future, and then use snow for the color after that.

The colors also seem to have been connected to words for knowledge.

White have the wit-wis root, like in wit, wisdom wise etc.

Red and black seems to have had their words purged from English, but the red's rat-ras is present in Nordic/German and Russian. The black/blue is present in Latin and Greek, with sa-cred the psalms, Salome, Solon , the sophists, Sophia, and of course Satan.

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>Alice in Wonderland Morning Execution

< off with their heads


 No.8366

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>>8365

>Embedded:

>Garmarna - Straffad moder och dotter

>Punished mother and Daughter.

The Fox(räv)=red and the wolf(gray) kills the mother and daughter and then trolls makes them into nobility.

In modern. Both black and red purged their queens(priestesses), so both sides were led by a hereditary nobility. The Teutonic knights married and became Prussian nobility according to the history books, but it might have been true all over the world, and it's remembered as the witch trial.


 No.8368

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I just thought this headline funny, considering the thread.

>Russell Moore Condemns Alt-Right 'White Lives Matter' Rally as Idolatry, Devil's Agenda

https://www.christianpost.com/news/russell-moore-condemns-alt-right-white-lives-matter-rally-as-idolatry-devils-agenda-204421/

Moore is probably connected with the blackamoors also called the Black Irish, and Russell is perhaps another one of those nationality names like Sven, Dan, Scott, Flemming and Frank.

PS. Nog är Nog on the round shield is Swedish for Enough is Enough.


 No.8393

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>>8350

quite inspirational all this.

Made me think of crime and punishment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodion_Raskolnikov


 No.8395

>>8365

>>8356

Where do you have these theories from regarding the colours? Fits nicely with the nordic flags.

Dannebrog fell from the sky in the danish invasions of Estland (de jure part of finland).

Also the Finn/ Find is still used along with the other ones mentioned.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Dannebrog.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Cross_flag

>>8341

dislike for ratzinger?? why? it is my impression he was ousted for trying to repair the schism of the roman and orthodox churches with help from schröder and berlusconi.


 No.8396

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>>8395

>Where do you have these theories from regarding the colours?

When you get that written material that survived is disinformation, you start to look for patterns to try to get some order from the chaos.

The old Norwegian flag was red and gold, so you seem to have had red-gold against blue-gold before the current version of Christianity.

>Dannebrog fell from the sky in the danish invasions of Estland (de jure part of finland).

They might have fought the heretical black-white Prussian monks, that believed in the devil. If you look at the Carta Marina, you have red vs blue again.

Pic two are the an Hanseatic merchant.

>Georg Giese from Danzig, 34-year-old German Hanseatic merchant at the Steelyard, painted in London by Hans Holbein

Notice the colors and the phoenix on st. Catherine.

>dislike for ratzinger??

The restored shitolic church are still racemixers. They destroyed South America, and they try to do the same to the rest of the White world.


 No.8397

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>>8396

Forgot to post the first two pics.


 No.8398

>>8396

im a newb in many ways. What makes you say it is misinformation. I get that alliances and causes change as victories are gained. Sometimes a victory just means taking over the responsibilities of the former enemy.

I am very intrigued about this colour thery though. Have always had the feeling that there were some sort of racial component to the strife that has always been in scandinavia/baltic sea area.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/6207583/1/

Have you heard of the Hvide(white) noble family of denmark. They are supposed to have a counterpart in Skåne reffered to as blacks or Sortskånning, I think that line are later connected to the line natogdag (night and day)

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt_och_Dag

Regarding the catholic church, im a pretty sure they have been coopted long ago. Ratzinger was an atempt to win something back or at least slow down the beast.

what do you see in the picture of that hansa merchant?


 No.8399

>>8397

that map is amazing. do you know if there is any accuracy to the geneology in the right hand corner? everything is making so much sense haha.


 No.8400

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>>8398

>What makes you say it is misinformation.

You need to repeat lies to sell the truth successfully, once everybody have bought into the lies.

Not everybody wants to deceive, but so few are critical, and repeat what the authorities that had access to less information than you believed to be true.

The propaganda still needs to contain some truth to be believable, especially the words used need to have been understood at the time. For instance the words used to describe the technology and clothes are probably true in the Sagas, but the Christians probably removed or changed stuff they did not like. The King could have done the same, and finally the modern national state could have done their part.

Take Kattegatt= Katte-gaten. The trade between Norway and Denmark was done one Katter(Cats, I think its called the same in English), an early cargo-ship with a skeleton crew.

>Have you heard of the Hvide(white) noble family of denmark.

I have heard of them. White is Christianity in some form, but when we up North were taught that Jesus lived 1600 years ago 400 years ago, new stories that people would believe in had to be invented.

The first noble family in both Denmark and Sweden are the Brahe, now extinct. It's good that we in Scandinavian were never Hindus, as that looks like Brahman. Abraham for the languages that can't start a word with the b phoneme.

You know that a lot of the Danish(Gothic?) churches were red? What is special about Norway and Denmark, is that a lot of the old churches still stands, if they survived Rantzau's black army, with few attempts to remove heresy. It was mostly first when new decorations were needed, that the old heretical were painted over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A5t%C3%A5rn The Blu tower.

All the towers are gone, except for the one embedded. The meme are still there though, that wizards=(wit-sar, ancient professor priesthood?) lived in Ivory towers.

Anyway. The blacks take out the reds in Denmark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count%27s_Feud

A commie song from the 1930'ies about it.

>Skipper klements morgensang - med tekst!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO4TETjLE-A


 No.8403

>>8393

>Rodion_Raskolnikov

So the red faith splitter married Sophia the whore and moved to Siberia?


 No.8404

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>>8398

>what do you see in the picture of that hansa merchant?

A forgery. It's made with a camera obscura, and you can probably calculate the diameter of the lens. I don't know how many times the powerful have said "Let me take this old book/painting, and in return you get this new one that looks a lot better", but I'm sure it has happened a lot.

The Carta Marina contains a few lies itself, Like the Islands Tile and Hetladia. Mark means border, so it's strange that Hetmarchia don't border Hetlandia and Tilemarchia Tile.

If you look at younger maps, it's Frisia that have become an island, so making areas that have become subjugated into an island seems to have been standard practice.

Embedded is an old psalm from an area where the black churches still stand. Nothing about Jesus.

english:

>I am a stranger

>I am a pilgrim

>Just a short evening

>Just a short evening am I'm here

>Don't hinder me om my way, because

>I will follow God's people into the battle

>Over the mountains and over the waves


 No.8405

>>8400

So Kattegat is not the cats ass? Are you thinking of the kutter (fiskekutter)/cutter ships?

I am having a very hard time approaching this while i must say it does make a lot of sense.

Since you mention the hindus, do you have any parallels to the hindu mythology? When i think about it, they have what appears to be red and blue gods.

Gotta say, everywhere i look these colours appear in opposition just as you describe. Just looking at that link to the counts feud and the picture of Christian 3. in black. Also your picture of von Münchhousen, the wiki page mentions him as from a Black line.

I have a very hard time seeing the bigger picture here. Do you have some sort of conclusion? Or is it just a way to decipher history through colours?

Looking at e.g. the counts feud, is there a logic as to who is supporting who? Are Black (lutherans) a remnant or atempt at uniting the old beliefs (norse)?

Do the colours represent the same through time?

Also, you seem to know a lot of history, what is it about the swedes? Is there some 'secret' to why they are so fucked? I am danish myself, but the swedes are so strange to me. Is there an explanation?


 No.8406

>>8400

>>8400

>The first noble family in both Denmark and Sweden are the Brahe, now extinct. It's good that we in Scandinavian were never Hindus, as that looks like Brahman. Abraham for the languages that can't start a word with the b phoneme.

Abrahamstrup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A6gerspris_Castle

to many coincidences


 No.8407

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>>8405

>Are you thinking of the kutter (fiskekutter)/cutter ships?

That is probably the newer version.

A lot of cats/cutters crossing over worked as a seamark, as it told the sailors where they were.

>I am having a very hard time approaching this while i must say it does make a lot of sense.

It doesn't matter, as what is seen can't be unseen. The important thing is anyway that you understand that words change meaning, sometimes naturally, sometimes because the powerful didn't want us to understand something about the past.

>Since you mention the hindus, do you have any parallels to the hindu mythology?

I don't know anything abut Hindu mythology.

>When i think about it, they have what appears to be red and blue gods.

I didn't know that.

>Gotta say, everywhere i look these colours appear in opposition just as you describe.

I don't know how it started, but I think the sailors(anglers) had Odin as their highest Ace, while the smiths(goths) had Loke(Gaut), the firegod as their highest God. The third group were the farmers, that seems to have had Frey and Freya. (White perhaps?) I don't know if the farmers were important, as they would end up living within the stories to the locally literate culture.

It's not hard to predict that the fishermen/traders in Scandinavia would begin to organized themselves once they have a written language. The same would be true of the smiths, that needed to use rivers to get supplies in and their produce out.

Goods =gods= casted metal, and it's not strange that smiths and miners would chose black clothes.

I'll continue later, but here are some red churches. Two danish, and one Russian. The last Danish is white, but it probably was red, as it's named Torød=tor-rød, that is Red-Thor again.


 No.8408

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>>8407

>Goods =gods= casted metal,

Gods in Nordic = Goods in English.

To cast in English is "støpe" in Dano-Norwegian , while it's "gjuta" in Swedish.

Cast Iron =støpe-jern = gjutjärn. Before the letter j was invented, jern was written iern. English used the letter j for a different phoneme, so it became iron when they started to write with a latin alphabet rather than runes.

The world are to be recast at Ragnarok= The old reign (Ragna) going up in smoke (røk).

The old Heathen English name for Fate was Wyrd, and I'll just refer to the wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyrd

>Mentions of wyrd in Old English literature include The Wanderer, "Wyrd bið ful aræd" ("Fate remains wholly inexorable")

NB aræd shows that English used to have now purged red based word for enlightened/logical speech (å rede ut = to explain something using words), and a more understandable translation might be "Providence is full of alogical stuff".

>Also your picture of von Münchhousen, the wiki page mentions him as from a Black line.

von Münchhousen was the worlds greatest liar according to the winners, as this meant that they could say it's just another Monk-house story when serfs got uppity about the rights they used to have.

> I have a very hard time seeing the bigger picture here.

So do I, but it's lot more enlightening to look at memes and their evolution than history books written by academics out to show how loyal little lads and lasses they are.

>Are Black (lutherans) a remnant or atempt at uniting the old beliefs (norse)?

I don't know, but the old norse beliefs were long gone by this. The reds seems to have been christian commies of some sort that was purged, and then the blacks were purged some time after that.

Frederick the third seems to have been red again.

The king title is also something I'm skeptical about.

Erik seems to have been the old title, and the son of Erik the red discovered America. The black king was sot-erik. Gammel-Erik is like Old Nick in English, but where it was Old Nick(olai) that had tricked the faithful with heretical objects and texts in England, it was Old Erik that had done it in Norway.

As for Earl=jarl, it's my guess that it's some horn blower, while a lord is learned in the lore. A King is cunning and know stuff as well.

The is Norwegian kings is the Drott, he is married to a Drotning, while the heir is the dros?, and is found in Trondheim, the home of the throne. The Drott's advisor were drost. (think trust)

Fun enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%B8vlet-Cathrine

>Do the colours represent the same through time?

That is an interesting question. It's like the joke about the ax, that you grandfather made an ax, your father changed the blade, while you changed the handle, so your son could inherit your grandfather's ax in working order.

The first Christians were cucks, so when people got tired of the cuckery, Christianity abolished celibacy as an ideal, and changed the ideal to have many children yourself. The Christians also seem to have been commies, but the commies dropped religion at a point, while the current Christians dropped communism, perhaps at the same time as the monks lost power. The driving force for these radical changes seems to have been to the red-blue war again.

When women was thrown out of the higher echelons of the church, a new Paul was written into the Bible, that told women to shut up.

>Embedded: The Devil's Nine Questions/Billy in the Lowground

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 No.8409

>>8407

>A lot of cats/cutters crossing over worked as a seamark, as it told the sailors where they were.

I dont follow. Marks as means of navigation?

>I don't know anything abut Hindu mythology.

http://www.crystalinks.com/indiadieties.html

some speculate that some of the hindu gods have evolved or survived the aryan migrations from northern india.

Tyr for example

http://quatr.us/germans/religion/tyr.htm

Tuisto, Tvastar & Ymir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuisto

Im sure you are aware of the links mentioned by snorri sturluson (son of halvdan svarte/ half dan black) about the connection between the norse gods and the greek gods/myths. (cant find the sources, but im pretty sure he mentions family relations between odin and some prince related to the greeks in thrace and troy.)

http://britam.org/dan.html (a bit sketchy)

sorry for the mess. I am pretty much just brainstorming.


 No.8410

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>>8409

>Im sure you are aware of the links mentioned by snorri sturluson (son of halvdan svarte/ half dan black) about the connection between the norse gods and the greek gods/myths

Yes. I don't read Greek or Latin, so I have dropped them. When you read a text in some old N-European language, it can be dated roughly and placed regionally by the spelling and words that are used.

No such think with the material that the Classical Philologes got the fingers on, as the Latin and Greek was standardized by removing variant spellings, grammar or vocabulary.

>http://britam.org/dan.html (a bit sketchy)

"DAN-OF-GALILEE".

Gallo= Hane and H is G in russian.

the Hagal rune could take on two phonemes, H or G/K

Magnus was written MaHnus in at least some runic inscriptions. This could also explain why the K is silent in English Knee, Knight or Knot. Kong Knut is King Canute in English to avoid this.

It was Olavus Magnus that got the Carta Marina made in order to rally support to their cause (supposedly catholic) IIRC, and it looks like when Norway did not have a Magnus as ruler, the Swedes had one. (roughly)

I wonder where warhammer 40k came up with inspiration of this? Did they just collect Gothic memes.

What gets to me is how the spires on the pyramids makes total sense, if you wanted to map out individual stars, something that might have been important in a world where souls became stars after death. (some sort of proto-scientific belief from before we found out how the planets orbits the sun?)

>All is Dust - Lament of Thousand Sons


 No.8411

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>>8409

>I dont follow. Marks as means of navigation?

Yes. Landmark would probably have been a better word. It's a feature that tells you where you are basically. Medieval Cities invested quite a bit of money in creating unique landmarks, as a way to attract traders, but this one was out in the sea. The state of Liberty is a famous one, and Copenhagen have the little mermaid. (Copenhagen probably have more, but if you wake up, don't know where you are, and see a mermaid in the harbor, then you know that you got drunk and ended up in the King's city. :)

The only Danish King that got killed was the (blue?) Erik Klipping, and he was killed by one of the Whites(Hvide-family) and what looks to have been reds (Nielsen)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_V_of_Denmark

…..

What I think is the same story in a Swedish and Danish version.

>Og det var liden Karen - Danish Folk Song (With Lyrics)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJytwBXQB6g

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>Garmarna - Konungen och Trollkvinnan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwWMWKBP2vo

(Both vids are with onscreen english translations. )

Embedded: Eirik Jarl (I think it's a relative modern creation, based on some old sources)


 No.8414

>>8408

>aræd shows that English used to have now purged red based word for enlightened/logical speech

what makes you say these word belong to red? red being the followers of Tor, warriors?

This colour theory is a very interesting approach, my biggest hang up is that there seem to be no consistency in the way the colours are used through time. There is a certain logic in taking on easily identifiable colours, but what use is it for us if they dont tell us anything about the evolution and devolopment of the fractions that used them? I mean, if Reds ideas and concepts are being purged in England in a conflict of faiths, christianity vs. Norse, how is that context and related to Frederick (perhaps) being Red again. If Frederick is not ideologically or in other ways connected to what the English christians was trying to purge. (?)

That said, >So do I, but it's lot more enlightening to look at memes and their evolution than history books written by academics out to show how loyal little lads and lasses they are.

Is very true.

>As for Earl=jarl, it's my guess that it's some horn blower, while a lord is learned in the lore

my impression is that jarl is more of a military title while lord is administrative.

>The first Christians were cucks, so when people got tired of the cuckery, Christianity abolished celibacy as an ideal, and changed the ideal to have many children yourself. The Christians also seem to have been commies, but the commies dropped religion at a point, while the current Christians dropped communism, perhaps at the same time as the monks lost power. The driving force for these radical changes seems to have been to the red-blue war again.

cant help but think of the culture clash, in lack of a better word, between the sea/trade based cultures(economies) of the west, and the land/power(geostrategi) culture of the east. Russia vs. the west.

>>8410

>Magnus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus

>I wonder where warhammer 40k came up with inspiration of this? Did they just collect Gothic memes.

Bravery in the face of certain destruction is norse mythology in a nutshell. Dont really know anything about warhammer, but im willing to bet the creators had north euro ancestry.

>>8411

The only Danish King that got killed was the (blue?) Erik Klipping, and he was killed by one of the Whites(Hvide-family) and what looks to have been reds (Nielsen)

Not sure why you mention this, but damn, what a rabbit-hole.

>"The assassins, dressed as Franciscan monks," monks in white ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Andersen_Hvide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjelm_(island)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurtzite_crystal_structure

cant seem to find it now, but do you know if there is a connection between the futharks and crystals? Crystal matrices?

Thank you for all this, it is quite a journey. will look at the vids in a couple of days, i am not able to at the moment.


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 No.8416

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>>8414

>what makes you say these word belong to red?

They have purged the red-words from English, but they once were there, as shown by the quote from the wanderer.

>red being the followers of Tor, warriors?

I don't know. The hammer and the smiths go hand in hand, so both side can have shared the gods outside the top one. Blue Thor and red Thor. The only thing I'm relative certain of is that Christianity was white, and that the sailors started out red, while the smiths and miners started out as black.

Once the reds were institutionalized as a navy, while the black/blue controlled mines, mills and the river trade with dams and sluices, did they have money for professional writers.

The navy needed smiths and the blacks needed boats, so there must have been an exchange of people from the start.

To go back to the difference between the Swedes and the Dano-Norwegians, it's my theory that this a lot down to the difference between a navy and an army. Swedes need to follow orders, and in return their superiors are to do what is the best for all. (They no longer do, and I don't have the words for the betrayal this is, when they still pretend by punishing the disobedient that endanger everybody )

There is no way to run on a ship, so sailors don't need the same level of brainwashing as the willing and obedient canon fodder the Swedish state needed to survive.

The Nordic borders are what Sweden could conquer and hold over land, white Denmark-Norway is what can be defended with ships.

When Sweden attacked Norway, it was always to deny them battles and cut their supply lines, so they got field sickness and had to go home.

>my impression is that jarl is more of a military title while lord is administrative.

Lets translate.

Lord = Lærd

Lore = lære

Teach =lære originally teach = tukte that now means to discipline.

Prison = tukt-hus

Teacher = lære

How did a word that meant to instill virtue, become a word used for a prison in Dano-Norwegian? Even worse is the Bible commandment Du skal tukte den du elsker = you shall disipline the ones you love, but it must have been interpreted as "you shall teach the ones you love"

More on this later.

> Bravery in the face of certain destruction is norse mythology in a nutshell.

A world were sea faring was dangerous because navigation was sketchy between colonies would be similar as space fare between colony worlds where space fare was dangerous.

>Not sure why you mention this, but damn, what a rabbit-hole.

If Christianity came with the Whites, a new history would need to written on them, because that is not how it's written today.

>how far back do you think this colour theory can take us?

I think the Germanic tribes are an attempt from Prussia to create a fake history for their new empire to make their inhabitants of the same ethnicity. It might have been gefundenes fressen, but it was anyway used to bridge differences between Protestants and Catholics and other ethnic differences.


 No.8417

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>There is no way to run on a ship, so sailors don't need the same level of brainwashing as the willing and obedient canon fodder the Swedish state needed to survive.

Forgot the vid. Some irrelevant Russian stuff in the beginning.

The Carolean's Prayer (Karolinens Bön) (Swedish Version - Sabaton)


 No.8427

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>>8416

very nice explanation of the scandinavian schisme. I had not thought about it that way. I have been thinking about this non stop for a couple of days though.

I dont know if im understanding you correctly when you say

>I think the Germanic tribes are an attempt from Prussia to create a fake history

But i dont believe that. I'll try and explain what i have come up with.

If we take America as an example. I was new land ready for the taking. The best and bravest went on and made a beach head and soon it became a place to dump undesireable groups of the populace. The perspective is european, as one people, even though the differences propably was greater back then.

This is pretty much the same as what made the "german" tribes (scandinavians) migrate around europe. They were either in conflict with the local power at home(the two colours) or the land could not sustain the populace.

What happened was that, just like America has outgrown europe in every way, the migrating scandinavians were succesfull enough to set up their own kingdoms and challenge their old friends back home (American revolution). While there were no real culture (worthy) to mix with in America, the migrating scandinavians were introduced to all sorts of cultures and faiths, some of which were adopted and used against their old brothers (intro white?).

This might very well be self-reinforcing. Moving power and influence away from the original source.

http://intersectionproject.eu/article/russia-europe/do-not-underestimate-power-dugin

Im not sure how to connect this with memetics. I hope i have not derailed the thread.

>How did a word that meant to instill virtue, become a word used for a prison in Dano-Norwegian?

good question. Does seem sinister.

I saw a thread somewhere on this site talking about colour revolutions. When looking into it, i discovered semiotics. If you havent heard of this type of thinking, you might find it interesting. It seem related.

just for clarification,

>>what makes you say these word belong to red?

>They have purged the red-words from English, but they once were there, as shown by the quote from the wanderer.

Cant this be explained simply by diminished cultural influence from north. We lost(kind of), and Rollo was satisfied with being a cuck frog so when his children won England, they got latin influence instead of Norse.


 No.8432

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>>8427

>very nicvery nice explanation of the scandinavian schism.

Denmark-Norway managed to hold Skania and Bohuslen until the wagon technology and better roads made it easier for the Swedes to get supplies over land, than it was for Norway-Denmark to supply from the Sea. There are no rivers that are navigable between Norway and Sweden as the border have always followed the watershed.

How the Swedes behaved in order to subjugate the Skanians is the biggest blot on Swedish history, at least until the Swedish elite tried to genocide the rest through immigration.

The Norwegian wikipedia are full of Swedish references, and it explains that the victim were to stay alive on the wheel with all limbs broken for days.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steile_og_hjul

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel

The guys that got broken, but I don't know the degree this was also a religious war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapphane

I think the point with the pole and wheel was to humiliate the ones that believed in reincarnation originally. likewise the ones that believed in a fire-soul, were burnt, the ones that believed in holy blood, decapitated, the holy ghost*(ånd) hung, Christians crucified etc.

* Another purged word in English.

the holy ghost/spirit = den hellige ånd,

To breathe = ånde

respiratory protection = ånde-dretts-vern

retarded = ånd-svak

Spirit = ånd

There were a period where new scientific knowledge was mixed with religion, where you had competing theories for the souls.

It's still easy see that the belief in a fire-soul was common in Scandinavia and Britain. It's visible directly in Modern Norwegian, but it's that all the words are purged that show that it must have been present.

It's not strange that some believed that a fire burned inside every living creature, as we produce heat and die if we are starved for air.

ild/eld = fire

eldes = to burn / to grow older

ilt = oxygen

ild-sted = fire-place

ild-sjel = you burn for some cause. (lit fire-soul)

elske = love (to burn for someone)

eld-skov = sleep together (lit fire-show)

I don't know if it was a red or blue flame burning inside that was the good thing, and it could have been different for team blue and red. The sun is red and yellow, while the smiths would have that a blue/yellow flame burns the hottest and without soothing.

>I dont know if im understanding you correctly when you say

Prussia needed a new German identity by giving their subjects a common past, so they would fight for the state for free. It was the Germanic tribes of Tacitus that ended the debate whether the Danes originated as Goths or Germanics

Denmark also did something similar when they made the Juts into proper Danes, but the Danes are open about having done it.

The Nordicism from the 1800 were a common Nordic project went back to the Viking age to stop focusing on the bad stuff from the 15-18 century. The Swedes dropped the Gothicism for the Germanic theory, and the Norwegian history had purged the Goths centuries earlier from what I have seen.

>But i dont believe that. I'll try and explain what i have come up with.

Poggio wrote it, in order to help the shitolic church?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poggio_Bracciolini

Perhaps it was the loss of Rome (con-stantin-opel= ever-standing city.) to the Turks, that made it necessary to create a new Rome 1000 years earlier?

I'll take he rest in new post.

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Sabaton - Lejonet Från Norden (Lyrics Svenska & English)

It looks like the 30 year war was lions against eagles.


 No.8433

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>>8427

>If we take America as an example. I was new land ready for the taking. The best and bravest went on and made a beach head and soon it became a place to dump undesireable groups of the populace.

So you buy the current version of American history about whites being white people, the reds muds and the blue/blacks niggers?

For there to be tribes, you need somebody to pay tribute to. It doesn't look like we have ever lived in tribes as in clans in our own written history so I don't buy it. Kin was important, but you fought on the same team as your neighbor against your own kin if the situation happened.

I don't disagree with he dynamics in your post, but I don't buy the premises

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>Im not sure how to connect this with memetics. I hope i have not derailed the thread.

All kind of dynamics are interesting.

>When looking into it, i discovered semiotics

Umberto Eco wrote "in the name of the rose" because he is an semiotician. It was a few of his books on semiotics that made me stop believing in history as written is close to what happened. Umberto Eco don't want to be seen as joker that believes in pseudo-science, so he started to write fiction that illustrates the point instead.

>We lost(kind of), and Rollo was satisfied with being a cuck frog so when his children won England, they got latin influence instead of Norse.

I don't buy anything that comes out of France or the GB.

They have not found ONE viking attack, and English is a Nordic language for starters.

http://sciencenordic.com/english-scandinavian-language


 No.8435

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>>8433

>>8432

>Denmark-Norway managed to hold Skania and Bohuslen until the wagon technology and better roads …

makes a lot of sense. Lots of litlle pieces coming together for me.

I remember as a child visiting Skåne, I always got this wierd feling, like sorrow and anger. When i had gotten used to it, it was like being at home. I still get that feeling driving through sweden.

It really is ironic how they stomped on those people on now they praise everything that foreign, except of course for the people still wanting to be accepted as Skånninge.

I remember my grandfather telling my that 30000 families fled across øresund. I dont know if its accurate, is sounds too high.

Its hard not to resent the swede.

Have you seen the tv series Gøngehøvdingen? I remember it as good but its been many years since i saw it.

>Prussia needed a new German identity by giving their subjects a common past, so they would fight for the state for free. It was the Germanic tribes of Tacitus that ended the debate whether the Danes originated as Goths or Germanics

I think it was in or around 1972/1973that the official royal title of both the Denmark and Sweden changed, from "king of the Danes, the Goths and the Vends", and into just referring to some geographic location. http://denstoredanske.dk/Danmarks_geografi_og_historie/Danmarks_historie/Danmark_f%C3%B8r_Reformationen/de_goters_konge

Are you saying tacitus is fake or wrong?

>Denmark also did something similar when they made the Juts into proper Danes, but the Danes are open about having done it.

https://books.google.dk/books?id=f-fJCQAAQBAJ&pg=PT425&lpg=PT425&dq=Besejring+af+Jyderne&source=bl&ots=7e-01X87NC&sig=nm1bZOSKr2yyYhCbK8rh7ZmOvYk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp1M7x75vXAhWLJZoKHXDGCFwQ6AEIUTAG#v=onepage&q=Besejring%20af%20Jyderne&f=false

>The Nordicism from the 1800 were a common Nordic project went back to the Viking age to stop focusing on the bad stuff from the 15-18 century. The Swedes dropped the Gothicism for the Germanic theory, and the Norwegian history had purged the Goths centuries earlier from what I have seen.

Do you know of any mentions of the Goths. We must have spoken the same languages and be more or less related. Also, the romans, could they have been Northerners? Following the wiki link of Poggio Bracciolini i got to this picture

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/ArikameduRomanCeramic.jpg

Or was Rome a lie as well? Constantinopel is what we used to call Miklagaard..? Lets make the prophecy come true;)

It is quite suspiscious how the different countries(dk-no-swe) purge their Goth history. However, why not also change the place-names if it was of any importance (?).

I am starting to believe you regarding this purge of Scandinavian words in England. Very interesting article.

I used to live in the US, and i remember shittalking to my friends about them speaking Danish and how we first conquered England and then rested before colonizing the new world. LOL. So many things in this thread brings back memories of all sorts.

I am feeling the norns and i have only had one glass of mead.


 No.8436

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>>8433

Vid in previous post should be made into death metal. Sorry for nignog.

>So you buy the current version of American history about whites being white people, the reds muds and the blue/blacks niggers?

Im not even sure what you mean haha. I thought this was your theory? Are all the people we call Indians just make believe? I mean, they too have a long history and they are not exactly a litterary people? Or did someone(white) just make their enemies out to be of the same creed/kin as the savage natives in order to fight them (them as in other europeans).

I think the reds were there to being with, then came the whites(euro) and later they brought over the blacks (niggers)

Umberto have been added to my wishlist.

>They have not found ONE viking attack,

What do you mean? Siege of paris, raids all along the channel all the way along the coast down to Sevilla.

BTW. regarding that link to Saxo, look at this

>Ragnar…tilintetgjorde han skåningene ved Hvideby

>Efter en tredie og fjerde gang at have besejret skåningene og hallænderne forelskede han sig i Kong Herrøds datter Thora,

>Svenskerkongen Herrød

Hmm Pretty sure ragnar was know for his black banner.


 No.8437

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>>8433

>Umberto Eco

I have long wanted to write something akin to the Turner Diaries but in a larger historical perspective. I think it could be effective.


 No.8439

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>>8436

>I think the reds were there to being with, then came the whites(euro) and later they brought over the blacks (niggers)

There might have been natives living there, but both the current indians and the niggers could have been brought there as slaves.

I think Erik the red discovered and settled N-America, and that the blue/blacks settled the great lakes and the Mississippi.

White Americans don't have Amerindian blood, and that looks to be true for the Cajuns and French Canadians. The unprecedented growth rate the French Canadians showed, could then be explained by them showing up a few centuries earlier.

The Basques fished along New-Found-Land a couple of centuries before Columbus, and it exist an Icelandic-Basque dictionary and laws that Basques could be killed on sight on Iceland.

>They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America

>They Were White and They Were Slaves is a thoroughly researched challenge to the conventional historiography of colonial and industrial labor, a stunning journey into a hidden epoch, the slave trade of Whites, hundreds of thousands of whom were kidnapped, chained, whipped and worked to death in the American colonies and during the Industrial Revolution. This is a chronicle that has never been fully told, part of a vital heritage that has until now comprised the dustiest shelf in the darkest corner of suppressed history.

https://www.amazon.com/They-Were-White-Slaves-Enslavement/dp/0929903056

I have not read the book, but I know the gist(geist?) of it, because the writer used to post on the WN 1.0 boards.

White people don't reproduce very well in slavery, so they had to import niggers and perhaps Asians when the white slaves died off.

> Or did someone(white) just make their enemies out to be of the same creed/kin as the savage natives in order to fight them (them as in other europeans).

Perhaps. I gave up reading non-Nordic history, because I have no way to check out if some book reflects the landscape and artifacts still visible today.

Norway have NO standing castles that can be used to dominate the local population, but we amassed an impressive number fortresses to protect against the Swedes or invasion from the sea.

Some of the ruins have names involving Sten = stone, but the current explanation, if we are given one, is that it was a demand from the Norwegians in order to enter the Kalmar union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten_Sture_the_Elder

The Sten-named ruins where I live, was all tore down during the reformation, and at least some of them were of the Bailey and Mote construction we find in England.

I have a hard time buying that the Kalmar union was called the Kalmar Union at the time. It wasn't the North-reich, because Noricum was a thousand years older, and was placed in Austria. Noric steel was a meme in the ancient world, but Austria don't have good iron-ore.

>Umberto have been added to my wishlist.

I read it on google books years ago. Fomenko does a good job deconstructing the copying monks of the current lore, but I don't like anything of his reconstruction.

The one I liked the best was named Koth, because he looked at building techniques rather than books, but he is dead now, and I don't know what happened to his website.

It was a friend of mine that said that there should be massive proof if history is bunk, when I tried to point out inconsistencies, so I gave up the "looking in books" strategy, and started to look at language and memes instead.

>What do you mean? Siege of paris, raids all along the channel all the way along the coast down to Sevilla.

They have not found anything that was destroyed by Vikings, but they have found a lot of Viking settlements.

One of them, but the article have turned to shit the last few years. (English wikipedia is becoming a useless list of irrelevant facts)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%B3voa_de_Varzim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siglas_poveiras

The Roman empire was after the Vikings if you look at technology, unless you buy that technological level can go backwards and that horses be bread large for the Persians, shrink again, bread big for the Romans, shrink again, and have them big enough to carry heavy cavalry with the Goths and the Franks again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_cavalry

It's so god damn stupid that I don't know what to say. The niggers have mobile phones now, but in the ancient world, technology could exist for millennia, without being spread according to the ivory towers educated elite.


 No.8441

>>8436

>>Svenskerkongen Herrød

>Hmm Pretty sure ragnar was know for his black banner.

So then, what does Dane and Swede mean?

If they are late words, Dane might mean

dannet = educated

å danne = to create,

å omdanne = to take something that exist and reforge it into something new,

under-danig = lit under-dan-like, but means cowed.

ut-danne = to educate in school

utdannelse = education

Svenn = journyman

Svein = servant, (not a serf)

sverge = to swear an oath.

Sverige = supposedly Svea-rike

Ragnar could be an old title for the ruler of the reign.

>>8435

>I remember as a child visiting Skåne, I always got this wierd feling, like sorrow and anger. When i had gotten used to it, it was like being at home.

> I have driven around in Southern Sweden and Denmark, and I agree, it's still easy what parts that belonged to Sweden, Denmark or Norway historically.

I can understand why the Goths were pissed at Norwegians and Danes though, because I don't remember it being mentioned that anything done by Norwegian or Danish kings, would create troubles for the smiths and miners to get their produce out. That they were forced to pay tolls on top, probably added insult to injury.

Anyway, the Skania atrocities seems to have scared Norway into a military state for a few centuries, and that was a good thing. No money to waste on nobility, but most importantly, the officers were tasked with organizing the building of public infrastructure during peace time, so they had to learn math and science.

>Are you saying tacitus is fake or wrong?

Misplaced in time at best.

One way to date Latin, is that dog-latin is the oldest, because the primitive always come first, and that it improved as a language until the reformation.

It's in silver Latin, so it could describe Cossacks or something similar under the Greek emperor in Constantinople, if they lived in the 12-1300.

>Do you know of any mentions of the Goths.

I think they are the Jotuns of the sagas, and the trolls the nix and the elves of medieval folklore.

I also think the goths read g as j. so Gothland would youth

Better read people than me have hunted for the goths, and come up with theories it takes ages to read up on, so once again, it's better to look at the memes.

>Or was Rome a lie as well? Constantinopel is what we used to call Miklagaard..? Lets make the prophecy come true;)

I don't know. Rome is anyway an important meme. I'm sure Roman history have been improved though, as everybody wanted to read the complete, unabridged original, rather than some short summary written in piss poor Latin.

>It is quite suspiscious how the different countries(dk-no-swe) purge their Goth history.

It sure is.

>However, why not also change the place-names if it was of any importance (?).

Because its very hard to change local names.


 No.8442

>>8441

>I also think the goths read g as j. so Gothland would youthland = Jutland


 No.8443

>>8442

fuck it.

>>I also think the goths read g as j(y in Eng). so Gothland would BECOME youthland = Jutland


 No.8447

>>8443

So the Goths are Jutes?


 No.8450

>>8447

>So the Goths are Jutes?

The other way. Jutes are Goths, or at least some of them were.

You have Eastern and western Gøtaland and Gotland in Sweden, and you also find landscapes named Goth-something in Norway.


 No.8453

>>8439

>>8441

>>8443

ill get back to you. might be a day or two. Im going to Gotland in the summer thats for sure

something I have been thinking about.

Sværd = tung/sværte

Sword=Sort/sværte/svart

Christian=Christ-Jern?

Frederik=Fredskonge /King of peace (I dont like this at all but i cant help but think of the so called religion of peace meme)

I really does seem like a group of predators going after the common folk, forcing them to adopt some of the same tactics. Hard to tell whos the bad guys.


 No.8456

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>>8453

>something I have been thinking about.

>Sværd = tung/sværte

>Sword=Sort/sværte/svart

Google translate:

>Spinn-side and sword-side - taste a little on these words. Most of us still understand what they mean and what associations they provide. As an example of the language researcher Hjalmar Falk called "cultural memories in words", the concept pair is very old, but in a sense, we are not yet far away from the society that created the opposition between the sword side and the spinning side that we do not immediately understand the meaning.

http://arkeologi.blogspot.no/2010/01/spinneside-og-sverdside.html

The old Swedish church used to be separated in the sword side for the men, and the women on the spinning side.

>Christian=Christ-Jern?

If so, it's my guess that it's Christ-stiern = the Christ-star.

>Frederik=Fredskonge /King of peace (I dont like this at all but i cant help but think of the so called religion of peace meme)

The Swedish king Carl was killed at Fredriksten fortress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredriksten

>I really does seem like a group of predators going after the common folk, forcing them to adopt some of the same tactics. Hard to tell whos the bad guys.

I'm not so sure. Both sides are probably the heroes in their own stories.

If you look at the memes miners and smiths would have in their religion, in order to have a happy, thriving community, they would put weigh on different things than a community that lived from the sea.

One difference is how they treat the dead. A proper burial can't be important when it's common that even important people are lost at the sea.

A community of smiths and miners could honor the dead bodies as a way to motivate the living.

Fatalism was kind of needed by sailors, when the family needed food, and a storm could pop out any time.

A mining community OTOH could benefit from seeing accidents as punishment from god, and make the individual responsible fro their own salvation (Dk/no salig= sa-like another sa word again. Save, safe are words that could have been purged in Nordic when I think about it. )

Embedded: Ruina Imperii


 No.8475

>>8441

>>8456

>>8439

>>8435

>>8433

please can you stop using reddit spacing, anon, it makes your posts look like utter shit.

i always browse these threads, but i can barely stand reading them when the posts look like this. you have good input but PLEASE just stop with the spacing

>t. friendly neighborhood lurker


 No.8476

>>8350

No, that's not so.

Раскол == Раз + кол

кол is a stake, not a shield.

Дугин is дуга + ин, дуга is an arc or arch. Originally came from the word for a rainbow.

Путин is путь + ин, путь is the path or the way. Probably changed or at least genestolen. His mother was Shalomova, and I'm sure you know what that's from.

I don't like transliterating Russian words into Latin script because something is always lost. Though I do not like writing kike words in Russian. I feel it lends them something too high.


 No.8477

>>8456

>If you look at the memes miners and smiths would have in their religion, in order to have a happy, thriving community, they would put weigh on different things than a community that lived from the sea.

Another difference would be that sailors would live in a macro-cosmos where discovering new things would mean to go places, while the miners or smiths would focus on the micro-cosmos and how to refine and transformation matter into something else.

A note on the word smith, it used to mean to put together, a meaning you still find in "word smith". Weavers were smiths, and so was all the other artisans

A digression that I'll talk more about later, is that the languages that are unable to pronounce the sm-phoneme, sm would become sem, making smith into Semite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe

>Tycho was born as heir to several of Denmark's most influential noble families and in addition to his immediate ancestry with the Brahe and the Bille families, he also counted the Rud, Trolle, Ulfstand, and Rosenkrantz families among his ancestors.

Tycho=Toke in modern Danish, and it's the tutor word again. "Tokig"=tutor-like is crazy in Swedish, and we also find Palna-toke in the Nordic lore:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palnatoke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jomsvikings

>The Jomsvikings were a semi-legendary order of Viking mercenaries or brigands of the 10th century and 11th century. They were staunchly Pagan and dedicated to the worship of such deities as Odin and Thor. They reputedly would fight for any lord able to pay their substantial fees and occasionally fought alongside Christian rulers. Although they were Pagan, the institutions of the Jomsvikings in some ways anticipated those of the Christian Knightly Orders of the later Middle Ages.

>According to the Heimskringla, King Magnus I of Norway decided to put an end to the Jomsviking threat. As part of consolidating his control of Denmark, he sacked Jomsborg, destroyed the fortress and many of the inhabitants were killed in 1043.

If we look at the words.

Prest = Priest

Prost = Provost in Swedish, and idiot in many other languages.

Prostituert = lit tutored by the Prosts, a prostitute. I have a hard time buying prostitutes in the old church.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prost

Jord = earth

Jomfrue = virgin

Johan = virgin male

Johannes = John the evangelist

Johanniter = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Saint_John_(Bailiwick_of_Brandenburg)

Jomsborg = Home of the jomsvikings.

Jørgen = George

Jotne = the enemies of the Aces.

A few pol words:

Pol = pole as in the Northpole.

Pæl = pole, a beam stuck in the ground. Found in Palisade.

time-pæl = time-pole a primitive sun-dial. It's my guess that this became the word temple.

Pål = Paul

>>8475

>please can you stop using reddit spacing, anon, it makes your posts look like utter shit.

NO.

I don't like writing and I'm not getting paid.

I also don't think it's possible to understand the posts until I'm finished, as you have the Hermeneutic circle problems, and I have a long way to go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeneutic_circle

Why not ask for clarification to the unclear stuff?


 No.8478

>>8476

So I that don't know the Russian alphabet, need to transcribe these words once again?

>Раскол == Раз + кол

I don't speak russian, but how do you know it's not Раскол == Раз +скол

>I don't like transliterating Russian words into Latin script because something is always lost.

So each time a language where there are more phonemes than letters/runes change alphabet/futhark the words change, right?

Looking at the etymology withing the new script could then give the wrong result, if the compound word already existed on the old script.


 No.8480

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File: aa550342ecdc54f⋯.jpg (423.72 KB, 1500x2060, 75:103, Johannes_Kepler_1610.jpg)

File: 63a51057c2ec03f⋯.jpg (38.22 KB, 303x450, 101:150, Tycho_Brahe.JPG)

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>>8477

The color pattern of red caps against the black hats is seen in astronomy as well.

Red :Ole is short for Nicolaus, but I suspect that Ol-Ull was the sun, so that Nicolaus is the victorious sun or something.

Copper is the red metal, and kaufen=to buy in german indicates that money are involved.

Nicolaus Copernicus ( Polish: Mikołaj Kopernik;[5] German: Nikolaus Kopernikus; Niklas Koppernigk; 19 February 1473 – 24 May 1543) was a Renaissance- and Reformation-era mathematician and astronomer who formulated a model of the universe that placed the Sun rather than the Earth at the center of the universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus

Black

>Johannes Kepler ( December 27, 1571 – November 15, 1630) was a German mathematician, astronomer, and astrologer.

Next we have Tycho Brahe that was black, and he was subsumed by the red Ole Christensen Rømer

>Ole Christensen Rømer (; 25 September 1644 – 19 September 1710) was a Danish astronomer who in 1676 made the first quantitative measurements of the speed of light.

>Rømer also invented the modern thermometer showing the temperature between two fixed points, namely the points at which water respectively boils and freezes.

>In scientific literature alternative spellings such as "Roemer", "Römer", or "Romer" are common.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_R%C3%B8mer


 No.8481

>>8480

I forgot the link to Kepler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Kepler

Tycho Brahe is posted previously, but I might as well give the link one more time:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tycho_Brahe


 No.8488

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This quote from what looks to be a red Ben Franklin is funny considering the thread.


 No.8501

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>>8477

B = V in a few languages, among the greek, spanish and arabic. (same sound, the difference is a closed mouth for B, while it's open for V)

Further complicating the V phoneme, was it was used the same letter as U. Evrope=Europa.

If we go back to the word robber, it's "rauber" in german, while it's "røver" in DN. A raven is "raab" in Germen and "ravn" in DN.

fox = "rev" was probably pronounced "reu" = red

This is where the strange things start. I think we are looking at loanwords, where the rev-reb words diverged in meaning in different languages and got loaned back.

Reverend

Rebbe, Rabbi

Rebel

Revel

If the revelers? was subjugated by somebody that called them rebels, rebel would change meaning to somebody that rebelled, while revel would lose it's religions connotations.

The logic would then be that the South had suffered a rebellion where the old priests fought the new faith, for the word to exist a meme for south to call their rebellion, although the story had been rewritten or purged from the History books. (Robin Hood and his merry men)


 No.8503

>>8488

>swedes

>swarthy

pick one


 No.8507

>>8503

>>swedes

>>swarthy

They made the Reds into Amerinds and the blackamoors into niggers, and it's not hard to see that the future Swede will have a swarthy complexion.


 No.8510

>>8507

yes but sweden was almost exclusively white back in franklin's times


 No.8518

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>>8510

Look at his coat of arms: The lovely red and white.

He might have talked about how the Swedes were swarthy in the sense that they rather follow orders and do as the others, than dare think for themselves out of fear than somebody important could disapprove.


 No.8522

>>8518

swedes are more successful than anglos. compare income of swedes in the usa and anglos in the usa


 No.8523

>>8522

What relevance does that have?

The correct thing would anyway be to compare Swedes to Norwegians and Danes.


 No.8525

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>>8456

>>8477

>>8488

Have you guys looked into Goethe's colour theory (notice the name by the way). Embed related but in danish. there must be something similar in english.

<the yellow and orange colours brings with them the nature of light. A spontaneous warmth seem to pulse towards us. The blue and violet colours however, brings with them the darkness. Like the sky up high and the distant blue mountains, the blue field seems to draw away from us.

>in the night, all cats are grey.

>blue is enlightened darkness.

at 26.18

>yellow and red, are light to darkness…the yellow colours come from light with the help of darkness.

so yellow and blue are opposed according to goethe. The more intense the yellow colour, the more orange/red it will appear. For blue, the more intense the more violet/purple it will appear. (around 27m. with illustrations.)

Goethe called this colour increase (my translation) and noted that this applied to many

different phenomenons from melting metal to flowers - from yellow to red and from blue to violet.

Look at the still at 40m50s

Another thing. I read the other day that the kabaa in Mecca was not always black but was once green. The opposing colour of violet.

I apologize for the mess but i have a very hard time organizing my thought around this, there is so many connections that its hard for me to distinguish what is relevant and what is not. What is becoming clear to me is that Red is reclaiming thier colour and and Blue/purple does not like it one bit.

BTW have you guys visited seen this https://8ch.pl/pol/res/38898.html#38898

i have the wyrdest feeling things are going down very soon.

i see your numbers. much love and hope to everyone.


 No.8526

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>>8525

>Have you guys looked into Goethe's colour theory (notice the name by the way)

Not very deep. I know enough about colors, to understand that it's lot more complicated than you are taught in physics.

>Embed related

I'm not so sure something similar exist in English. The Anglo-American univershitty system's "raison de etre" is to teach the professor pristhood the correct dogmas, and Goethe's color theory goes against that.

I lived next to a chemistry professor that wrote a book on Goethe's color theory, and you need somebody like that to make the embedded documentary.

>so yellow and blue are opposed according to goethe. The more intense the yellow colour, the more orange/red it will appear. For blue, the more intense the more violet/purple it will appear.

Orange was a "new" color once. Carrots used to be yellow, as is shown by the Nordic name "gule-rot" = yellow-root.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uraniborg

I don't think Tycho Brahe is a real person, but what we would call a university school, a group of scholars that believe in the same paradigm.

>The more intense the yellow colour, the more orange/red it will appear. For blue, the more intense the more violet/purple it will appear.

The Swedes used to be dark blue + Orange-Yellow. Finnish retains this, in that yellow goes towards what we call orange.

>There are some discrepancies as to what Finns think is blue/green and what Americans think is. This also occurs in red/orange/yellow. As far as I can tell, anything that is blue to an American and approaching turquoise is green to Finns. Also, orange usually becomes red or yellow, e.g. Finnish mailboxes, which are without a doubt orange to Americans, are yellow to Finns, although younger Finns tend to make a distinction between orange and red/yellow. If you remember that Finns tend to stick to the primary colors, with the addition of green, you won't go too far astray, although the best way to learn what Finns consider the color of something is to hang around with Finns (sorry to those who don't have this opportunity!).

https://people.uta.fi/~km56049/finnish/color.html

As for Finns, they call themselves Suomi, what I think is another word for a swede. (Sven=Suom) The Swedes are routsi=rowers in Finnish IIRC.


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>>8525

>BTW have you guys visited seen this https://8ch.pl/pol/res/38898.html#38898

He makes everything too complicated, and he talks about stuff that I'm powerless to influence.

>i have the wyrdest feeling things are going down very soon.

All the redpills that have been understood, have fucked up the carefully socially constructed equilibrium of opinions, and I think we are starting to see this play out in the real world. .


 No.8528

>>8478

If it was Раз + скол it would be Расскол. Russian tends to add words wholesale.

>>8488

Spaniards and Italians, I could see where he's coming from. French, Russians, Swedes? He's a bit off there, but I suppose if you count only skin colour then Anglo-Saxons are the whitest.


 No.8532

>>8528

>If it was Раз + скол it would be Расскол. Russian tends to add words wholesale.

You agree that Раз + скол make better sense of what happened under Peter the Greats state coup?

So Russian is kind of a primitive language that don't use double consonant to encode a short vowel? :)

Nordic, English, Dutch, German have 18 vowels, 9 short and 9 long, and they need rules to encode that. English sucks here

I'm pretty sure Peter Anchor (Peder Anker) is the Dano-Norwegian navy personified in Norway, but he might also have been a real person.

This makes me skeptic towards the Russian Peter the Great, as he built the Russian Navy, manned it with Norwegians, Danes and Dutch, before he used it to beat the Swedes.

One big problem I have with the current version of history, is the lack of democracy. Democracy don't become a demand, because it existed 2000 years ago in Ancient Greece, because the meme wold have been forgotten.

>but I suppose if you count only skin colour then Anglo-Saxons are the whitest.

I think that honor goes to the Finns. Fish eaters don't need the sun as a source for vitamin D as much, so the farther from the coast you go up North, the whiter and blonder the inhabitants become.

>>8525

A kind of relevant link to why we have blue eyes.

https://8ch.net/bmw/res/4963.html


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>>8528

> but I suppose if you count only skin colour then Anglo-Saxons are the whitest.


 No.8538

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Night against the Day is mentioned in the video, and I remembered that the graphics in the embedded video are taken from the Nordic bronze age, and I think the creator noticed correctly that it's the horned (moon) against the suncross is a recurrent theme.*

* I have seen a good number of these rock carvings before, but it's artistic liberty that made it into a story.

Day against night, summer against winter, the tides all, the moon phases are still often symbolized as battles, so it would not be strange if one human groups justified war on behalf of the sun, to get people to fight the heretical moon worshipers.


 No.8539

>>8538

I meant to answer this post:

>>8525


 No.8565

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It's great to see these discussions return to the board once again.

>>8341

>German and råd in Nordic. A council is a Råd, a councilor is a Råd-giver, and "å vite Råd" is to know what to do.

A council is likely called a rad because it convenes as equals in a circle. King Redbad (Rad-leader) lost against the Franks which led to the further forced conversion of our people. The Yule is next to burning fire of life a central symbol of our pre-bagan worldview. Rad is the revolving solar wheel of time, now mundanely personified as the God of the Golden Age Kroder/Chronus.

>>8350

>I don't know when the war between the blacks and the reds started, what they fought about, or if it have stopped now. ;That they were willing to paint each other as the devil is quite obvious though.

May I point further towards the east; to the chinkwashed empire of Prestyr John, who was ruler of Kara Cathay. Note the use of Kara- (Black) in the names. Karakorum, Qara Qoyunlu, Kara Khitay. The empire of Great Tartary has been generally wiped from our books since the end of the 19th century.

Tartary being a pars pro toto name used by Europeans to denote all subjects of the Tartar empire, regardless of ethnicity. This has also been demonised heavily in the past. The underworld being named Tartarus is probably not a coincidence. I also suspect Chernobog is the personification of this Empire, or of a derivative kingdom. I will probably expand on this later if anyone is interested

>>8450

Jute = Beach combing. Jutes used to live on the amber coasts in the Baltic. After a fgreat flood they fled their lands and resettled the coast of the now Jutland.

>>8480

>Nicolaus Copernicus

Is it Copernicus or is it Cоперник (rival)?

>>8525

Thank you so much for introducing me to Goethe's colour theory. Amazing!

>>8526

>Carrots used to be yellow, as is shown by the Nordic name "gule-rot" = yellow-root.

The Dutch bred carrots to the famous orange colour in the 17th century


 No.8566

>>8565

>A council is likely called a rad because it convenes as equals in a circle.

Yes. But it's about why a circle is called a rad, and not something else. That a wheel is called a Rad in German, is a hint that the word wheel have been purged for religious/scientific reasons.

>The Yule is next to burning fire

Not Yule, the wheel.

> God of the Golden Age Kroder/Chronus.

> May I point further towards the east;

Create another thread, and I'll promise to comment. . We are looking at how words have evolved in languages we understand.

>Prestyr John

To illustrate, John for the ones that don't know that the H is silent, would read it as Johan given that H was pronounced HA. John's would be read as Johannes . From this the female Johanna was made, that the Poles pronounce Jo-ha-na-na.

The Nordic nations no longer have John's gospel in the Bible, but Johannes Evangelium. That the word gudspiall exists in old texts, and that Jon is a common name, makes it probable that the Nordic nations had a later judged heretical chances gospel called 'Jon's gudspill'.


 No.8567

>>8565

>Is it Copernicus or is it Cоперник (rival)?

Probably related but I think the etymology is Copper as in coins, so the Copernicans were the merchants that traded with coins. (Hanseatics). Copernicus looks to have represented the astronomic worldview of the late Hanse, no matter if he existed as a person or not.

compare:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupronickel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel

>The element's name comes from a mischievous sprite of German miner mythology, Nickel (similar to Old Nick), that personified the fact that copper-nickel ores resisted refinement into copper.


 No.8576

>>8488

Franklin really was a rare kind of genius. I really think there must be a connection between the colours the different factions use and some racial component.

It is very clear that not all scandinavians are alike and with all this talk about colours it is dawning on me that there are three kinds of people in scandinavia: The classic nord with almost white hair, blue eyes and often a quite long face. Then there are the blackhaired people with blue eyes. I would say this type is more rare, maybe they are just harder to distinguis with all the immigration and mixing.

Lastly, there are the redheads whom i suspect are a mix between the blacks and whites.

I do not have much to back this up with but something tells me Odin and his descendents are not natives to scandinavia.

http://www.gedevasen.dk/herulerart.html

http://www.dandebat.dk/dk-historie15.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rheimar

Árheimar home of the Goths.

>Grundlæggelsen af Gudme bygden i 200-tallet er nogenlunde samtidig med Dani's ankomst til Stevns og området ved Tryggevælde Å på Sjælland. Vi kan gætte på at Gudme bygdens første beboere var Aserne, som Snorre fortæller om. De kan være kommet med skib sydfra på samme måde, som nogle antager at Dani ankom med skib til Stevns. Vi kan spekulere at efter nogle hundrede år flyttede de kongsgården til Odense, som derved fik sit navn efter Odin.

>Det kan uddrages fra Jordanes og Procopius at Dani og Switheudi havde samme oprindelse. I Ynglingesaga fortælles at Svearnes kongeslægt nedstammede fra Odin den Gamle, og hans efterkommer i fjerde generation, kong Sveigde, drog til Tyrkland og Store Svitjod for at lede efter Gudehjem, som Odin skal være kommet fra. Også Saxo beretter om Aserne og Odin; og Snorre fortæller om Aserne, som ledet af Odin slog sig ned på Fyn. Da Dani og Sveaerne havde samme oprindelse, og både Sveaerne og Aserne var ledet af en Odin, må vi tro at Dani, Switheudi (Sveaerne) og Aserne, som kom til Fyn, var beslægtede grupper.

>Nogle vil argumentere at de helt gamle stednavne-endelser fra før Kristi fødsel som -løse -inge -um -lev og -sted mangler på Sydøstfyn, og at de store, centrale kirkebyer istedet har navne med enselser, som er typiske for den senere vikingetid. De vil mene at de gamle navne blev erstattet af nye i forbindelse med en dybtgående omlægning af bebyggelsen ved vikingetidens begyndelse - hvilket vil sige at de tror på en form for erobring, hvorefter erobreren tog landet i besiddelse og uddelte det til sine mænd. Hvilket ikke passer med teorien om at Aserne gik i land ved Lundeborg, flyttede til Odense - for hvorfor skulle de omfordele deres oprindelige jorder ved Gudme, hvis de stadig havde magt der.

http://www.dandebat.dk/dk-historie16.htm

>>8538

that was an intense video. Do you know this text http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/

>>8565

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta11.htm

under the headline "solar colors"

there is also a text claiming to tell the story of the frisians, i cant find it but your post made me think of it. trails the history back to the flood of doggerland.


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>>8576

>Franklin really was a rare kind of genius.

Yeah. So bright that he too could have been a school,institution or paradigm made flesh in order to give an orthodox explanation to intellectual remains of the heretics.

To illustrate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverre_of_Norway

I think the Norwegian king Sverre is partially faked, so stuff out of the Kalmar union could be described to a orthodox Norwegian king, and not a result of the heretics that later only lived at the wrong side of the kiel(the border between Norway and Sweden is the watershed)

A Birk was a merchant, a Bey was a noble title, so my guess is that King Sverre and the Birkebeiners were king Sweden* and the merchant nobility. *Sweden in Nordic = 'Sverige', pronounced 'Sver-ye', To swear = 'Sverge' pronounced 'Sver-ye'. Norwegian and Swedish separate the words with different pitch

Also: Birka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka

>It is very clear that not all scandinavians are alike

Yes. Not every variety is present everywhere, but the Nord are found everywhere. Redheads are most frequently found along the Norwegian coast, IIRC.

The logic is that the fish-eaters don't need to be as blonde as the farmers, because you get enough vitamin D from the food you eat. It could also be remains from two groups populating Scandinavia after the Ice-age.

>Árheimar home of the Goths.

That is close to Urheimar = UR-home

My working hypothesis is that the goths had a river and lake based kingdom in the inland of Scandinavia, where Goteborg was one of their seaports. I'm not sure kingdom is the right word, because it was an institution that built and maintained the necessary infrastructure for river trade to be possible.

I don't know how fertile it is to look into before one have something specific, because I know it was looked into before ww2, and l know they found various types more present in some places, without being able to really explain why.

Have you looked at the animal breeds? Some races looks to have been breed red, white, black.


 No.8579

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>>8576

>that was an intense video

It's been a clown* world for a long time.

*If the word clown originates in Nordic, then it's another word for the devil, here the divider 'kløyve' = cleave, aka most likely a parody of the priests from the competing faction. (they probably used flutes and fiddles rather than organs in their churches.)

>Do you know this text

I think I have read it years ago. It illustrates well how complicated everything is when you don't know what the words meant to the speakers of the language at the time.

>With the decline of virtue, which has preceded the destruction of every nation of history, the Mysteries became perverted. Sorcery took the place of the divine magic. Indescribable practices (such as the Bacchanalia) were introduced, and perversion ruled supreme; for no institution can be any better than the members of which it is composed. In despair, the few who were true sought to preserve the secret doctrines from oblivion. In some cases they succeeded, but more often the arcanum was lost and only the empty shell of the Mysteries remained.

The word mysteries meant something else to this writer, than it meant to the ones that were initiated in the now lost mysteries. What the mysteries were is a mystery to the writer, but an old Icelandic? book describes a initiated in a mystery was becoming a member of a temple.

>With the decline of virtue, which has preceded the destruction of every nation of history, the Mysteries(churches) became perverted.

Kind of like the faglican, moronic, shitolic or slutheran churches we have today?.


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>>8576

>trails the history back to the flood of doggerland.

I doubt Doggerland was flooded all at once, so it could be described as the landscape that was doggerland moving as new areas were flooded. The doggerland coast did not go missing, it moved and became the coast of the low countries and England. Likewise with the big river deltas, where the delta never went missing, it just moved. The reason I point this out, is that this meant that plants, animals and humans moved along with the biotope they were specialized for.

I don't know how many catastrophic floods there have been from the doggerland in the image - to the current coastline, but I think there are many.


 No.8598

>>8576

>>Grundlæggelsen af Gudme bygden i 200-tallet er nogenlunde samtidig med Dani's ankomst til Stevns og området ved Tryggevælde

This is a story like Norway originated from Nor and Gor, and the first Scottish king being named Lagman (lawman). It's still interesting, because the writers wanted the Danes, Swedes, Norwegians or Scots to think these were the true stories, but I don't buy that it resembles what happened.


 No.8601

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>>8578

>>8579

>>8584

>>8598

would you be interested in trying to do a rough outline of the history of europe/north europe/the nordics? I am not sure where to set the boundary, things are related in the most curious ways.

This thread has been really inspiring but also braches out into so many parts of history and other subjects.

I try and give an example. We set off by talking about changes in language as a means of subverting history in order to take away "the peoples" understanding of events and by extension their ability to react or counter or even identify the real identity of the different powers that be.

We have talked about how these different powers have identified themselves and others by giving them colours.

A lot of different info has been brought to the table, sources not necesarrily that reliable, e.g wikipedia. Even further, there have been raised doubts as to any of the history we know are trustworthy in the litteral sense. That the history we are presented with through historical figures and paintings are allegories or fragments of some truth that could be afforded to be shared or perhaps just presented through a veil that one need to know is there and know how to see through.

I felt like i had a thorough understanding of history before engaging in this thread. It is both nice to learn more but also a bit unsettling to start questioning things i find fundamental to my understanding of history without being able to put see the bigger perspective.

Another example: we talk about the Goths and how their history have been purged, and then yesterday i read that Gothenburg was founded in 1621.It doesnt really make sense. (i guess the goths could already be culturally extinct but still)

Another example is how the existence of rome is put into question. How are we supposed to make any sense of this. I dont know shit, but i would very much like to have some sort of timeline we could use as common ground, as in this is what most likely happened in the year xx to xy and this is what (((they))) would like us to believe happened in that same period.

I know this is not the original theme of the thread but I hope you see the point im trying to make here.

Maybe i am just dont know enough about the subject at hand (linguistics) to really put the pieces together.

Hope you all had a nice weekend.


 No.8602

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>>8579

>>8578

im gonna list a few links to some persons that seem related to both the religious and regional/tribal conflicts in Dk-No-Se/Dan-No-Goth-Svea and king Sverre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svealand#History

>The 15th-century Swedish version of the Þiðrekssaga says that Vilkinaland was formerly a name for Sweden (Swerige) and Götaland: wilcina land som nw är kalladh swerige oc götaland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus_I_of_Sweden#The_road_to_kingship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A5kan_the_Red

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blot-Sweyn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helena_(wife_of_Inge_the_Elder)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Simonsson (bagler party)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweyn_III_of_Denmark

https://books.google.dk/books?id=qfizAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=Vilkinaland&source=bl&ots=0rdVDIUUuE&sig=z9Cxdk-iQnJDwZuDy60JUnuD9dY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP78_25cvXAhXSKOwKHXP_DEAQ6AEINzAD#v=onepage&q=Vilkinaland&f=false

might wanno look up the names Osantrix, Nordian, Vilkinaland, Hunnaland(Gotaland?)

Germany is Tyskland ind the nordic, and im pretty sure Tysk = Stranger in Swedish. In danish we have an old word utyske meanig noughty or unruly.

regarding the name Erik as a title akin to King, I noticed that apart from the modern danish royal names FredErik, the old names for the gothic kings often end in Erik, like Ermaneric, Alaric, Gautrekr, Theodoric, Witteric

mär means maiden? in danish its a bitch. dont know if its relevant but while bitch refers to dogs mär/mær seem to refer to horses(mareridt =nightmare)

I think i am gonna look into the history of the horse in scandinavia. That animal has been popping into my mind a lot recently.


 No.8605

>>8602

>Germany is Tyskland ind the nordic, and im pretty sure Tysk = Stranger in Swedish. In danish we have an old word utyske meanig noughty or unruly.

And then you have 'tosk' = fool and 'tæsk' = corporal punishment.

Short story is that the Germans have been self-flagellating fools a long time.


 No.8608

>>8576

>It is very clear that not all scandinavians are alike and with all this talk about colours it is dawning on me that there are three kinds of people in scandinavia:

A political correct source:

>The Roman Iron-Age (0-400 AD) in Southern Scandinavia was a formative period, where the society changed from archaic chiefdoms to a true state formation, and the population composition has likely changed in this period due to immigrants from Middle Scandinavia. We have analyzed mtDNA from 22 individuals from two different types of settlements, Bøgebjerggård and Skovgaarde, in Southern Denmark. Bøgebjerggård (ca. 0 AD) represents the lowest level of free, but poor farmers, whereas Skovgaarde 8 km to the east (ca. 200-270 AD) represents the highest level of the society. Reproducible results were obtained for 18 subjects harboring 17 different haplotypes all compatible (in their character states) with the phylogenetic tree drawn from present day populations of Europe. This indicates that the South Scandinavian Roman Iron-Age population was as diverse as Europeans are today. Several of the haplogroups (R0a, U2, I) observed in Bøgebjerggård are rare in present day Scandinavians. Most significantly, R0a, harbored by a male, is a haplogroup frequent in East Africa and Arabia but virtually absent among modern Northern Europeans. We suggest that this subject was a soldier or a slave, or a descendant of a female slave, from Roman Legions stationed a few hundred kilometers to the south. In contrast, the haplotype distribution in the rich Skovgaarde shows similarity to that observed for modern Scandinavians, and the Bøgebjerggård and Skovgaarde population samples differ significantly (P approximately 0.01). Skovgaarde may represent a new upper-class formed by migrants from Middle Scandinavia bringing with them Scandinavian haplogroups

Rare mtDNA haplogroups and genetic differences in rich and poor Danish Iron-Age villages. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5800707_Rare_mtDNA_haplogroups_and_genetic_differences_in_rich_and_poor_Danish_Iron-Age_villages [accessed Nov 20 2017].


 No.8613

>>8608

(((melchior)))

so…the rich stay clean. The poor die out.


 No.8617

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>>8601

>would you be interested in trying to do a rough outline of the history of europe/north europe/the nordics? I

Yes, but we should perhaps make new thread, as this on is about linguistics.

>Another example is how the existence of rome is put into question. How are we supposed to make any sense of this. I dont know shit, but i would very much like to have some sort of timeline we could use as common ground, as in this is what most likely happened in the year xx to xy and this is what (((they))) would like us to believe happened in that same period.

We need things that the historians forgot to purge, so there is a reason the we look at words and how their meaning have changed. Architecture, domesticated animals, evolution of memes, music and folklore are subjects the inhabitants of the Ivory Towers did not include in their glass bead games.

The first law that was 'discovered' in archaeology, was that older stuff lay beneath the newer stuff. One can get an arrow of time with memes, technology, if you can create 'laws' on what is older and how they are interconnected.

For instance a 'skimmel' is a gray(white) horse, and they must have been common enough to have their own word, like we say BMW, Toyota, GM rather than a German car, Japanese car… A German car isn't really correct, because it might be put together in the USA and have parts from Japan, and the same is true about white horses when you look into it.


 No.8621

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>>8617

>make new thread,

yes. When i have a clearer view of the scope, i will.

I would think there are similarities in the way a physical technology evolves and the way memes (mental tech) evolves. Im just letting my mind flow now..But if we look at the wheel. We could say what is the objective? To move something, perhabs a big log. So we roll it to where we want it. That was step 1

Step 2 is using that principel on some other object, perhaps a boat. So we lay out a bunch of small trees and roll the boat using the same principle.

Step 3 would be integrating the principle into other things that we know we want to move from time to time. Now we have invented the wheel(?).

Looking at the development going on here, we are going from one "roller" to many, and then an integration of method and object. The purpose being flexibility and control.

Im am also seeing a movement from simple-advanced-simplified-advancement.

There is also a development in what context a tech is used. Wheels were later used in mills, and clocks and all sorts of things. One solution can solve many types of problems, if one can see similarities in different situations (windmill/ watermill)

Last thing i can come up with is development from necessity into art/hobby. What is at one point crucial for survival will at time become nothing more than something to pass time with.

On the other hand, what may look as a hobby or waste of time to some, may be a way of expressing what we feel, our souls. The physical tech sort of becomes a carrier or way of expressing/explaining/developing mental tech (memes).

Do you know Søren Mørk? He wrote a book a couple of years ago called Great Changes - 61 tales of how the world became modern. I can recommend even though he is married to a treasonous witch.

>Der findes ikke historie, kun den, vi skriver, og den handler om vores tolkning af historie.

>For instance a 'skimmel' is a gray(white) horse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutland_horse

>The Jutland is typically chestnut but may also be bay, gray, black or roan, and frequently have white markings. In the early 1900s most Jutlands were bay or black, but those colors are now in the minority; chestnut is now considered to be the horse's "national color" and is selectively bred

do you have any good sources on the history of the horse or other domesticated animals?

On a sidenote, anyone know if there are records of human domestication (not thinking of Mengele, but im open to suggestions)


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>>8621

>.But if we look at the wheel.

It easier to look at boats. It starts out with the log boat, then a log boat where you heat treat it to get it wider. You then need trusses? (spant) to keep the sides apart, and to sew planks on the side is the next logical step.

The next boat will be the Hjortspring, where the log have developed into the kiel, and you star to see framing ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_(nautical) ) and the first real ship is the Nydam boat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjortspring_boat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nydam_Mose#Nydam_Boat

You basically find every type of boat in the technological evolution in the Nordic countries, from the log boat to the modern oil tankers and submarines.

You can reconstruct the tools they used to make the different boats, and then use the wagons and cars these tools can make to date the wagons.


 No.8629

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>>8622

checked

i think we are talking past each other. I was trying to give an example of how the development of technology like boats or the wheel might very well follow the same rules.

that said, if we were to look into specific technologies the boat would be an obvious choice. It was interesting reading your links.


 No.8632

>>8629

>>8617

>One can get an arrow of time with memes, technology, if you can create 'laws' on what is older and how they are interconnected.

>I was trying to give an example of how the development of technology like boats or the wheel might very well follow the same rules.

that rules that apply to hard tech might also apply to memes

sorry for the confusion


 No.8633

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Back to purged words or words that have changed meaning.

One I have forgotten first: Norrøn = Norse. Norse is the dutch word for Norwegians. Norrøn = Nord - røn. Nord is self explanatory here, but røn is another 'red-word' where 'røynda' means truth or reality. Norrøn = The northern world view.

English Spell is the same word as Nordic 'spill',but they mean something different today

You can spell a word and cast a magic spell in English, but 'å spille et spill' is 'to play a game' or 'to play a play'. to play music is 'å spille musikk' What I think happened is that the word 'spill' was purged along the heretical plays the bards performed in English, while the Nordic countries purged the magical and religious connotations like gospel and kept the secular ones. That Yiddish have Spiel as in a play you put on to fool the bystanders (usually the goyim), is kind of telling of them. That English, Nordic or German don't have the concept is also crediting, because it meant that they did not try to fool eachother enough to develop word to describe it.

The Norwegian congregation no longer think about music or actors acting out stories about Jesus when they hear Johannes' Evangelium, while the English don't recognize what words like gospel tell about how they were once preformed with music in stead of read.

To read might be another 'red-word' connected to intellectual faculties, when I think about it, one English could keep, because they have purged the intellectual red-words like was previous pointed out.

>>8629

Noticed that Emil wasn't a 'pojk', but a 'gosse', a small goth? Norwegian girls and boys are also goth in some diminutive form, 'gutt' and 'jente'.

I also wonder what the real story about Emil was, because the coincidences are just too much. Lindgren said as HC. Andersegn that it was based on stories they heard as kids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_(party)

>The Riksdag of 1738 was to mark a turning-point in Swedish history, the Hats carried everything before them, and the aged Horn was finally compelled to retire from a scene where, for thirty-three years, he had played a leading part. For the next twenty five years the Hats did dominate government, with disastrous results where the country was plunged into two costly and ill-advised wars.


 No.8634

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>>8633

Wrong video


 No.8655

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>>8633

thats an impressive combination of numbers you bring with you

>11/22/17 (Wed) 22:55:00 No.8633

>You can spell a word and cast a magic spell in English, but 'å spille et spill' is 'to play a game' or 'to play a play'.

Makes me think of the word "Playwright" and the nordic "Forfatter"

Forfatter is very similar to "for fader" (forefather)

>What I think happened is that the word 'spill' was purged along the heretical plays the bards performed in English, while the Nordic countries purged the magical and religious connotations like gospel and kept the secular ones.

could you give an example? would also like and elaboration of this

>To read might be another 'red-word' connected to intellectual faculties, when I think about it, one English could keep, because they have purged the intellectual red-words like was previous pointed out.

please. And if you could explain

>coincidences are just too much

regarding Emil, i would also be thankfull. I have heard that many of those stories were folklore, or "ammestuehistorier" sort of like the Grimm tales.

I did notice. we also still use Gutter, as in guys or comrades.

really should learn some more about swedish history. I'll recommend Strindberg again, I get the feeling he saw a lot of the same themes unfold as we are seeing today. The effects of the power-elite on the ordinary populace.

All the best everybody!


 No.8656

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>>8655

>Forfatter is very similar to "for fader" (forefather)

I'm pretty sure that our forefathers saw men reproductivewise as some sort of vessel (for a flame?). 'Fat'=Barrel (something solid that could hold liquid). 'fath' is another purged word in English. 'Fetter' = male cousin.

>would also like and elaboration of this

Religious indoctrination of the masses was done as religious plays before book printing and cheap paper made the Bible common. There was all kinds of heretical stuff in these plays, as is shown by the degree that the memory of them have been purged. There were probably all kinds of local varieties of the stories, and that they might have had comical elements to sweeten the blue pill, made it just too much for the no fun allowed generations of priests that came later, that burned the witches and wizards and whom were convinced that the book-printed bible was the unadulterated word of God.

>Liturgical drama or religious drama, in its various Christian contexts, originates from the Mass itself, and usually presents a relatively complex ritual that includes theatrical elements. Until the Late Middle Ages it is the best recorded tradition of religious drama, and is assumed to have been the root from which other forms such as the civic mystery plays, as well as poorly recorded travelling companies, grew. The number of surviving scripts is small, and many performances are only known about from entries in payment records and the like.

The No fun allowed priests that cleaned up in all the heresy, did not want the Norwegian congregations to connect the heretical plays of the Popish (red?) priests, so they changed gospel (guds-spill) to 'evangelium'. English removed the connotations the word spell had to music and acting, so they could keep the word gospel without anybody understanding it.

>please. And if you could explain

There looks to be three groups of wisdomwords in Germanic.

Words like Rad, red, ros - connected to team red and looks to be gone from English.

The sa-words, like sane, safe, sacred, sophia, saturn. Looks to have been connected to blue/black

The white-words, Wit, Wise 'Vitenskap' =Wit-scape =science, witch, wizard=witsar(wisdom tsar)

'vits'=joke

>regarding Emil, i would also be thankfull.

Sweden have had conflicts between the caps and the hats, and Emil was know for his cap and his gun(a play gun in the children's story) and all the prank he did against his father. (see link previous post). He even had a horse with a name, that only he could ride, called Lukas, IIRC.

If Emil was some kind of rebel that could inspire the Swedish proles, turning him into a popular children's story was one way to bury the story.

>The effects of the power-elite on the ordinary populace.

I wouldn't bother too much with Swedish history, as the power-elite has had censoring power of the history books in Sweden for a very long time.


 No.8657

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>>8655

>I did notice. we also still use Gutter, as in guys or comrades.

'Gutt' and 'Jente' shows the problem with the letter/rune G. 'Jente' used to be written 'giente', then Gjente, before the 'g' was dropped. What phoneme the 'g' takes on are still dependent on the vowels that comes after it, and the combination 'ji' and 'yi' are banned, because the phoneme is written 'gi' to show relatedness between words. Eks. to go - went = 'å gå - gikk'

That English got problems writing the old strong past verb form for go because "goed?", can be the reason for why English lacks the words 'vende' as in turn over, because that was used in stead of "goed".

English still have to wind = 'å vinde', wind, win and to wend to mention a few, so it could have been so simple as the phonemes were used up for similar words.

The names for boys and girls

Dreng pige Danish

Pojk flicka Swedish

Gutt jente Norwegian

Boy Girl English

Lad Lass Scots

Pojk and pige was a pair like Lads and Lasses, gutt and Jente, but it's been split up in Danish, Swedish and English.

>>8408

The Norwegian version of the Devil's nine questions, is call Svein Svane, and is about a knight that meets a wandering nun, rather than the devil.

That the child of the swan is called 'Elling' makes me suspicious that the Swan could have had a different name before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_of_the_Swan


 No.8667

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>>8657

>>8656

thanks, interesting.

What is it whith these hats and caps? Are they just markers or social classes? It seem to be a reoccuring theme. Regarding Emil, it seems that it is from Gotalandene a resistance has startet. Im not sure though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNgmBpr-XQ

>Words like Rad, red, ros - connected to team red and looks to be gone from English.

Yes.hmm.i see the connection to the colours. Stumpled on this over at pdfs https://8ch.net/pdfs/res/6071.html you know it? seems related. havent read it myself.

I have always wondered about the ending ING, in the nordic languages, in vinkING e.g. or pretty much every word that a describes something a person can be. Do you know anything about this ending. I suspect it means "being" but i have never come across an explanation. do you know anything about it?

Maybe a nice angle of attack would be through reopening some of these archaic concepts. I doubt most of the "priests/clowns" of today would have a response at hand. They are already too preoccupied with purging new concepts.


 No.8669

Where are chinese imageboards?


 No.8670

>>8667

>I have always wondered about the ending ING, in the nordic languages, in vinkING e.g. or pretty much every word that a describes something a person can be. Do you know anything about this ending. I suspect it means "being" but i have never come across an explanation. do you know anything about it?

The ING ending is not a problem if you think that we speak Futharkian, because it was the rune you put on a word to make the word apply to humans or to make the noun into an verb. Ice='is', 'ising' = the act of icing. Cool-'kjøle'' - cooling ='kjøling'

'å vike' = to yield, let somebody else take your place. 'vike-plikt' = duty to yield (way)'. A Viking is thus somebody that gives up his place, and the reason for him yielding is that they went with a double crew, one rowing while the other rested.

The double crew thing is not my idea, but a Swede, that found out the place names called Wicks (vik) are placed roughly the distance you can row without a break. The nail in the coffin, was that the distance between the wicks are different up and down river, depending on how strong the stream were locally.

It was important to be fast went you went to was or went raiding, so you went viking, that is with a double crew. It was likely later, after sails were common, that Viking took on the meaning of going raiding, because didn't need to have the old meaning any longer.


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>>8670

>It was important to be fast went you went to WAR or went raiding, so you went viking, that is with a double crew.


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>>8667

>What is it whith these hats and caps?

I suspect headgear symbolized occupation and class, and that this ended up with people wearing one hat while they did one thing, like argue for something, only to go out of the room, put on another hat, com in again, and say the opposite.

Everything good gets cancer and turn bad, so the caps might have been like fuck this stupid hat role-playing shit, and just wear a cap.

Also look at this post, if you want to go down the phrygian cap rabbit hole. >>8565

I also think that the red church priests wore caps, and that they used animals as a memetic tool, like somebody strong being represented as a bear.

The red churches looks to have been called love-kirker, and we don't know if it is the love you find in English, or if they were dedicated to the element air, or if it is the law they hint about.

Anyway, it's the barns that are called 'love' and painted red today in Norway, think English loft, where the 'nisse' lives with the animals, while the Lords= 'Herren' lives in the White houses with the humans.


 No.8674

>>8667

>Stumpled on this over at pdfs https://8ch.net/pdfs/res/6071.html you know it? seems related. havent read it myself.

I don't think I have seen it.. The problem with it, from a short glace, is that it is too much work to prove that it's correct. Showing how words that are still in use have had their meaning changed over the ages, are not only a lot simpler, it also give lessons on how memes shape thought, even if a lot of the theories are wrong. It's not new that language is changed to make heretical thought hard and the lives of the powerful easier, but it's not something the ones with the defining power want to speak about.


 No.8686

>>8312

>>8311

to add a little bit to this

the word black replacing negro was partly from the effort of black sociological theory (mostly just thinly veiled identity politics) in the 1920s to 1960s born from common literary themes from black writers, and taught in universities like tuskegee, fisk, morhouse etc. To put it shortly its mostly one big racial self-help affirmation rather than an actual idiology. The kosher exhaustive story is: "'black' is historically seen as a negative in western society, the etymology of negro is black, thus is a kind of linguistic form of enforcing 'subaltern.' In order to create a political identity they should identify as a common shared characteristic (their relative skin color from their ethnic origin) 'black' rather than negro partly because many of the mixed blacks before hand had often disassociated from other former slaves, and partly because it was a term originating from the group itself rather than the imposing 'superaltern' term 'negro,' and because linguistically it was confrontational to the then mostly Southern term 'white'."

(TL;DR *marcus garvey sucks teeth "Negro?" *smackslips "whatevah white debvul 'Black is boutifull' and you gotta deal wiff it" *snaps in Z "yeah we wuz kangz" *time traveling nigger yells worldstar in the back ground

White was a term relegated to europeans who werent part of any of the most recent european migrations of the 19th and 20th century. White as a complete identifier for all of european descent came into vogue during post-war america well after the end of the labor-movement that fostered the hypenated-american term and it was seen by elites as a confrontational term used to divide european immigrants from integration (another example being the changing of the pledge allegiance from "my flag" to "the flag") Sometime in the 1980s (((Jesse Jackson))) apparently a 'black leader' popularized the term "African-American" which immediately became the lexicon of all self-flagellating whites, but it comes at a rather anachronistic time as the hyphenated american had historically been casted as subversive by none other than the lefty hero FDR. The surrounding context of the "official" change from the word 'black' essentially was to echo the events of the atlantic slave trade each time you referred to black people


 No.8691

Breaking Through by Alan Watt is an excellent book to read, and amply illustrative on why modern (((linguistics))) is pozzed up the neghole.

Basically it's designed to make you think, and he might not have gotten everything 100% right, but one of the big take-aways is that you should always go by the sound of the word when you're trying to trace its origin.

Another great book which will shake you free of the (((Max Weber))) school is Gorsleben, there is an English translation PDF floating around out there.


 No.8692

>>8691

>Breaking Through by Alan Watt is an excellent book to read

Dude, he is selling that eugenics is wrong, and breaking trough don't even show up when you search for him.

>Another great book which will shake you free of the (((Max Weber))) school

Max Weber is not jewish, and I can't say what is supposed to be wrong him.

>Gorsleben

>"The healing power of medical drugs is the Ur-power of their original essence in conjunction with the power of Ur-vibrations of the human-Divine combination that is composed of body, soul and spirit." - Hoch-Zeit der Menschheit

Stuff like this is a bit too much for me.


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>>8633

>Norse is the dutch word for Norwegians.

It's Noor/Noren (sing./plur.) and Noors for the adjective.

We also use Nors, but that became a mood/characteristic meaning brooding/surly.

>That Yiddish have Spiel as in a play you put on to fool the bystanders (usually the goyim), is kind of telling of them.

That is derived from the German Spiel. The meaning here is an 'act' or theatre *play*. This ties in with 'playing music' (muziek spelen). 'Samenspelen' is an expression we still use in the context of playing music together. So the concept is present in our languages. It's just that they took it and used it only in one very specific context of doing something together in front of others without their knowledge of it being a mere act.

>The Norwegian congregation no longer think about music or actors acting out stories about Jesus when they hear Johannes' Evangelium, while the English don't recognize what words like gospel tell about how they were once preformed with music in stead of read.

It might be interesting to note that anthroposophic (whatever you may think of it) schools actually theatre play biblical stories.

>pictures somewhat unrelated


 No.8695

>>8692

>Dude, he is selling that eugenics is wrong, and breaking trough don't even show up when you search for him.

It's out there and regardless of his arguments on eugenics his book is worth a read. It can be tracked down, maybe I'll make a thread on /pdf/ with it soon.


 No.8697

>>8694

>It's Noor/Noren (sing./plur.) and Noors for the adjective.

Close enough. Many other nationalities that are irregular in Dutch?

It would be the old ones we are looking for, and these might not be their own countries anymore.

>That is derived from the German Spiel.

Not if Jews originally spoke old Dutch, and that the difference to modern Dutch is down to different alphabets.

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To comment on the images, Frank became French, France, Ferengi(persian) - farang(some gook countries) etc. Likewise for Saxon into Sasson or Assasin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French-based_creole_languages

These languages originated in the 16th century, but I'm pretty sure that French itself is a creole of old Dutch from some centuries earlier.


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>>8656

>There looks to be three groups of wisdomwords in Germanic.

There is a fourth, that seems to be the knowledge of knots. King Knut (Canute) is an obvious candidate, although the British today looks to call the knotwork Celtic. I'm pretty sure that knotworks are symbolic of a faith in wyrd and the Norns where the intertwined lines illustrate how our fate influence each other to create larger patterns.

Another difference are the words true = 'sann', and truth= 'sannhet'. Trust and troth have kept their original meaning of having faith ='tro'' in someone or something. The 'trost'/'drost' in Norwegian were the Kings trusted adviser from the time before the red-derived 'rådgiver'. 'Trost' is also the bird thrush.

It's also worth noting that the three Norns, where the grandmother urd (the past), births the mother 'Verdande'(being, think were-ing), that then gives birth to the maiden 'skuld' (shall become), were changed to Anna, Maria and Christ. I don't know when this happened, but I'm pretty sure it's connected to the change from a cyclical timeframe to the linear one we have today. (The linear time-line of Christianity is probably more correct).


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I came accross an interesting old Dutch name: Goswin. Coming from Goth+win.

In English there still is the name Jocelyn from the norman 'Goscelin'. The name supposedly (((fell out of favour))) in the 14th century. I think that this is also the real root of Josef.

>>8404

>If you look at younger maps, it's Frisia that have become an island, so making areas that have become subjugated into an island seems to have been standard practice.

Zeno went to the island, and the places on the island as depicted on the maps do not correspond to any placenames in Frisia.

>>8697

>Close enough. Many other nationalities that are irregular in Dutch?

I don't see anything irregular about this. What do you mean?

>It would be the old ones we are looking for, and these might not be their own countries anymore.

The only really interesting one I can think is how we used to call the Hun(garyan)s: Eunjer (probably related to the german name Ungarn). There are very many negative connotations to it and derogatory derivative words. Eunjerei (Ungarn-egg) means 'devil's egg' for instance.

This has been completely scrubbed from our consciousness and language use.

>>8715

>The 'trost'/'drost' in Norwegian were the Kings trusted adviser from the time before the red-derived 'rådgiver'. 'Trost' is also the bird thrush.

Drost is a contraction of the word Drossaard/Drossate in Dutch. It's original use was a military one as a (sub)commander. Only later it became a titled function within courtlife/governance (same happened with words like Herzog, Baron, Marshal, and others btw). Drots-/Druts- is wh

-aard is a suffix for a human who holds the prefix as characteristic/vocation; -sate is similar to 'seed' and allegedly is cognate with 'to sit', but I think the former has a better fit.

It is interesting to note, following mainstream etymology, that 'drost' is the base of the oldest attestet words for the function (drutsate/druhtin), it (d)evolved to Drossaard and contrasted 'back' into 'drost'/'trust'

>Norns

The Norns do not correspond to past-present-future! And their names should make that obvious, at least they are to me in Dutch

<Urd: the cause (think of Ur-)

<Verdande: action/being (dutch: 'wordende' - the inflective gerund of 'to be')

<Skuld: the outflow (it literally means 'debt')

You should think of them more as a river in their relationship of being: spring-river-mouth. They exist concurrently, it is only the water that flows along the path that has been laid out.


 No.8723

>>8722

I am sorry for the mess of the Drost paragraph. It was the last I (re)wrote. So it got fucked up.

I'm tired.


 No.8731

>>8722

>The Norns do not correspond to past-present-future

Yes, they do. All the old myths could be understood on many levels. A hammer has the shape it has because it's meant to solve many tasks, and the same is true for folklore, where the myths that could be pondered upon and understood on many levels, outcompeted the myths only children find useful. This is obvious in pre-victorian fairytales, where there were sexual puns for the adults, that the children never understood.

Past-Present-Future in Dano-Norwegian 'fortid -nåtid- fremtid' You could have said 'Urtid' in stead of 'Fortid', but 'Urtid' is now used for pre-historical time

'Ur var gap' = in the beginning was the void.

English have purged the prefix*** Ur, Dutch have the Ur as in cause, while Nordic has it for the past. The problem we face is that we need to say Ur means x, while Ur meant Ur at the time they believed in this stuff. That Ur have survived in Dutch connected to cause, implies it had this meaning in the Ur-time, but the remains in Nordic also implies it was understood as meaning the past as well.

*** George Orwell = 'Jürgen Ur-quelle' in German = Jørgen Ur-kilden'. Translate back and you get George the Ur-Celt. The Celts built cellars and their monks lived in cells, and we also know they lost. It's thus not strange that the meaning Quelle-Kilde-Celt= source,well is lost in English.

Verdandi = Værende in modern Nordic, so this one we agree with.

>Skuld: the outflow (it literally means 'debt')

I'll do this in the next post


 No.8733

>>8731

We have both 'Oor-' and 'Oer-'.

'Oer' being the regular 'timely' prefix like in Norwegian relegated to a superlative time/relation quality. The word is a recent loanword from German, actually. It's has only been in use for just over a century. Oerknal (Ur-bang) is, for instance, our word for 'The Big Bang' an indication of its modern use.

Now 'Oor' is interesting, and can be best shown with its versatility:

<Oorsprong = Ur-spring -> origin

<Oorkonde = Ur-knew -> charter/witness statement/diploma

<Oorlog = Ur-lay/-oath -> destiny (only used to mean 'war')

<Oordeel = Ur-share -> judgement/opinion

<Oorzaak = Ur-case/-matter -> cause

<Oorlof = Ur-permission -> vacation/furlough (lof also means praise)


 No.8734

>>8733

Forgot

>Oord = Ur-d -> location/refuge


 No.8737

>>8733

>We have both 'Oor-' and 'Oer-'.

We have similar in Nordic,

Oorzaak = År-sak

Oorsprong = Ur-sprung -> origin = ur-gen

Oorkonde don't exist in Nordic, we use for-kynne

Oorlog = Ur-Law = fate

Oordeel = don't exist in Nordic

Oorlof = Orlov = permission to leave the ship, alsa Landlov

Nordic have some or-ur words Dutch don't have.

Orsak = I'm sorry, entschuldigung

I'm not sure every oor-words had the UR-rune as prefix alone as in UR, because the old futhark had 6 vovels and we have 9 today (18 if you separate long and short)

Now for Skuld. It's rooted in the a modal verb for "å skulle" = shall-should, and is used to create future. 'skal gjøre' = shall do. 'vil gjøre'= will do,

>A modal verb is a type of verb that is used to indicate modality – that is: likelihood, ability, permission and obligation.[1] Examples include the English verbs can/could, may/might, must, will/would and shall/should. In English and other Germanic languages, modal verbs are often distinguished as a class based on certain grammatical properties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_verb

Something wyrd have happened in English.

'Skuld/skyld' = guilt

'skyldig' = guilty

Gjeld = debt

>Weregild (also spelled wergild, wergeld (in archaic/historical usage of English), weregeld, etc.), also known as man price, was a value placed on every being and piece of property, for example in the Frankish Salic Code. If property was stolen, or someone was injured or killed, the guilty person would have to pay weregild as restitution to the victim's family or to the owner of the property.

>Weregild payment was an important legal mechanism in early Germanic society; the other common form of legal reparation at this time was blood revenge. The payment was typically made to the family or to the clan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild

English use guilty as we use 'skyldig', so it means the same, but English use the word for guilty in their old law system instead of one based on shall-should, as in who changed fate in the ur-law meaning.

As the guild ='gjeld' =debt was used guilty, English needed a new word for 'gjeld' and got 'debt'


 No.8738

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>>8722

> I think that this is also the real root of Josef.

I don't count that out. Jessie / Jussi / Jøss seems to be the pre-bookprinting N-European name for Jesus.

We find Eivind/Øyvind in Norwegian, but who would be a friend of the evil eye or the evil egg?

Norway's fist capital was supposedly Avaldsnes were 'vald' is another semi-lost word in English but it's still found in commonwealth. Vold/vald is violence (german: Gewalt), but I think it's ur-meaning was derived from will, under somebodies will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaldsnes

Embedded is a song about killing Øyvind Berserk, and killing various Berserks seems to have been one of the jobs of the Norwegian kings for a few centuries.

There is a translation in the first comments on Jewtube if anybody are interested.


 No.8746

>>8722

>Zeno went to the island, and the places on the island as depicted on the maps do not correspond to any placenames in Frisia.

Why should one map where Frisia is drawn in, be preferred over the other?

>>8738

Tolkien called English for Common, and that might be true, if Icelandic got it right when they named English for 'Ensk' (one-ish)'.

A part of Dano-Norwegian history is called 'enevolds-tiden' = the one-wealth time, where we supposedly had absolute Monarchy. What that meant in practice is another matter, because it looks to have been local rule, where the Goldenlions as "Stateholders" took care of State business . Goldenlion-'Gyldenløve' is now explained as the Kings bastard Children got this name, and often got the job.

The low countries also had stadtholders from the 15-18 century, but not as the bastard sons of a King.

The reason I mention 'eneveldet', is that it's not obvious from the word alone, that 'enevold' meant a one-wealth and not a common-wealth.

'en' = one

'ens' = the same

'enes' = agree

'enighet' = agreement


 No.8747

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>>8737

>As the guild ='gjeld' =debt was used guilty, English needed a new word for 'gjeld' and got 'debt'

'Geld' is our word for money. As a verb 'gelden' can mean to apply, to consider, or to count (as a factor, not numbers)

>>8738

>Norway's fist capital was supposedly Avaldsnes

It appears similar enough to a ruling dynasty of the counts of Holland, that it might be related. Most likely not the case, but speculation can't do harm. The placename exists a lot in the French occupied Low Countries (Nord-pas-de-calais)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avesnes_family

>Vold/vald is violence (german: Gewalt), but I think it's ur-meaning was derived from will, under somebodies will.

It's also a common name suffix. Walter, Arnold, Oswald are some examples.

Walt is 'power/action'. Gewalt/geweld means overpowering someone/-thing with your own actions. We also have the adjective 'geweldig' which is used positively as awesome/tremendous is in english.

>>8746

>Why should one map where Frisia is drawn in, be preferred over the other?

I don't understand the question

>'enighet' = agreement

'enig' used as an adjective means cute/adorable in Dutch.


 No.8749

>>8747

>'Geld' is our word for money. As a verb 'gelden' can mean to apply, to consider, or to count (as a factor, not numbers)

Guilders were the geld the guilds created to ease commerce? I would not be shocked if guilds around the Rhine or the Thames were the first to start using money in stead of bullion.

I think the old word for both copper, gold and yellow colored alloys were gold. Red gold is copper/brass in medieval songs, so laymen knew about the distinction then.

That the first guilds used gold coins, and had their name from them is not likely, but that they got their name from using copper coins, or gave name to the copper coins are probable.

To buy is 'kaufen' in German, 'Kjøpe' in Nordic, and an old word for a trading town are 'Kaupang'. Kopper is 'Kupfer' in German, so it's not hard to see that the remains of the first copper coins and trade are still left in the languages, but it's a lot harder to the coins named the act of buying or the metal, or if it was the metal that named the coins, that then named the act of buying with coins. The verb buy is still found as 'by', but it's meaning are closer to English bid.

Nordic uses 'Penger' for money, corresponding to English penny. The oldest coin standard were skilling IIRC, another coin common in N-Europe, and then it was Daler, that is found in English Dollar and German Taler.


 No.8756

>>8749

>Guilders were the geld the guilds created to ease commerce?

>I think the old word for both copper, gold and yellow colored alloys were gold.

'Guilders' is not how we call the currency. It's 'Gulden Florijn' = Golden Florin. Gulden is just shorthand.

>Nordic uses 'Penger' for money, corresponding to English penny

We have 'penning' and is used around money, but no longer money itself. It's base of 'pennen' (to write dillegently) would indicate that it came about when fractional reserve banking came about.

<Penningmeester = -master -> treasurer

<Steekpenning = thrust- -> bribe

<Duivelspenning = Devil's- -> coin that no matter how you get rid of it returns to you

And interestingly this herbfamily is called a penning too, including in english as 'Moneywort' or 'Twopenny thot'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysimachia_nummularia

>and then it was Daler, that is found in English Dollar and German Taler.

Daalder in Dutch. And in modernity it was a specific coin within the currency as the 'Rijksdaalder' before the introduction of the euro.


 No.8757

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>>8756

>'Guilders' is not how we call the currency. It's 'Gulden Florijn' = Golden Florin. Gulden is just shorthand.

Florin is here the city or a flower? Could it have something to do with the Frankish Lilly?


 No.8758

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>>8756

>And interestingly this herbfamily is called a penning too, including in english as 'Moneywort' or 'Twopenny thot'

'Fred' in Frederic meaning peace, is another purged word in English, and the wort is called 'kryp-fredløs'=(crawling peace-less) in Norway, and 'Pengebladet fredløs' = penny-leaved peaceless in Danish.

It's of the family Ericales, and we all know of one other flower in this family.


 No.8765

>>8757

The Florin comes from the city of Florence; where I assume the coin (type) originates from.

Florence, in turn, does refer to a flower. Considering Florence is also a Welf(guelph) alligned city, its arms being the Frankish 'lily'. There is little doubt that the city name is a reference to the symbol, for an unkown reason.


 No.8770

>>8747

>I don't understand the question

I don't have the images here, but Frisia was found all over the map, when it stopped being situated on mainland Europe.

I also wonder if not Britain, is frisia written in an alphabet where B and V was the same phoneme, and Frisia could be written Vrisia by the dutch for a while. Free is Vree or similar in Modern Dutch, right?


 No.8804

>>8765

>The Florin comes from the city of Florence; where I assume the coin (type) originates from.

'Fleur de lis' in old creole, aka French..


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>>8633

>You can spell a word and cast a magic spell in English, but 'å spille et spill' is 'to play a game' or 'to play a play'. to play music is 'å spille musikk' What I think happened is that the word 'spill' was purged along the heretical plays the bards performed in English, while the Nordic countries purged the magical and religious connotations like gospel and kept the secular ones.

A mirror is a 'speil in Nordic', so following this logic, a 'spill' was something that reflected reality.

The old word for 'speil' is 'skuggsja' = "shadow see".

>Konungs skuggsjá (Old Norse for "King's mirror"; Latin: Speculum regale, modern Norwegian: Kongsspegelen (Nynorsk) or Kongespeilet (Bokmål)) is a Norwegian educational text from around 1250, an example of speculum literature that deals with politics and morality. It was originally intended for the education of King Magnus Lagabøte, the son of King Håkon Håkonsson, and it has the form of a dialogue between father and son. The son asks, and is advised by his father about practical and moral matters, concerning trade, the hird, chivalric behavior, strategy and tactics. Parts of Konungs skuggsjá deals with the relationship between church and state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konungs_skuggsj%C3%A1


 No.8853

i know htis is a little bit unrelated, but this sounded like the best thread to post this in.

is there a word that is kind of between 'bitch' and 'jew'?

ie something can be a bitchy jewish thing to do. the context i originally was thinking of a word for was intel putting the management engine in every CPU they manufacture, and i thought to myself holy shit what a ??? thing to do but i couldnt think of the word i meant, but im pretty sure its like halfway between bitch and jew.

heres the intel management engine if anyone are interested https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine


 No.8856

>>8853

>is there a word that is kind of between 'bitch' and 'jew'?

>A Judensau (German for "Jews' sow"), is a folk art image of Jews in obscene contact with a large sow (female pig), which in Judaism is an unclean animal, that appeared during the 13th century in Germany and some other European countries; its popularity lasted for over 600 years..

Jewpig or Judenschwein has also been popular.


 No.8991

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>>8715

>Another difference are the words true = 'sann', and truth= 'sannhet'. Trust and troth have kept their original meaning of having faith ='tro'' in someone or something.

'Sanse' in Dano-Norwegian is sense, so 'Sann' must be the same root as sane.

When I think about it, it used to be 'sannelig' =sense-like, but I don't know why a new word for truth was needed. Perhaps it was to separate between sensed truth and non-sensed truths, because you don't use 'sann' for religious truth. That Nordic lack a word for sane, but say something like 'have his five senses in order' or some compound word depending of the kind of sane. DN do have the word 'sunn', meaning healthy, but healthy=|= sane in English.

If sane is derived from sensed, Insane could be some proto-scientific word meant to replace mad.

Another thing I have thought about is thing, where the orthodox etymology is :

>From Middle English thing, from Old English þing, from Proto-Germanic *þingą; compare West Frisian ding, Low German Ding, Dutch ding, German Ding, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian ting. The word originally meant "assembly", then came to mean a specific issue discussed at such an assembly, and ultimately came to mean most broadly "an object". Compare the Latin rēs, also meaning legal matter. Modern use to refer to a Germanic assembly is likely influenced by cognates (from the same Proto-Germanic root) like Old Norse þing (“thing”), Swedish ting, and Old High German ding with this meaning.

The thing with the thing(assembly) etymology, is that is does not explain why the thing was called a thing in the first place. That this sentence gives meaning: "Thinking things thinking about things" shows that the true etymology for thing is connected with what can be thought and discussed in both instances, instead of the abstract thing coming from thing as in assembly or visa versa.




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