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>>152

>They could still support GG, but not openly support any GG boycott operations.

That is something I've never understood when it comes to the arguments against boycott's. The developer isn't forced to participate in GG's boycott operations and they don't have to publicly support the boycott operations anyway, anonymity exists so I don't see why they can't just do it anonymously. It makes no sense.

As for boycott's themselves, what methods would be best utilized to launch a boycott? I remember the paid mods situation but it was just a massive clusterfuck that I couldn't comprehend what was going or where. I sent e-mails and faxes to Valve but I wanted to know what specifically made them change their minds. Was it the huge amount of people talking about the situation through various sites along with sending e-mails? I think some very clear defined examples of some good boycott operations against unethical developers would be interesting to discuss.

>>152

There are two reasons why I would go against a developer boycott in terms of a group action.

1) Because of SLAPPs(Which by the way aren't illegal either in many states), which burns out any potential dev support due to creating a chilling effect for it. Most don't wish to invest thousands of dollars or years of their lives to fight that. (Why don't they do it beforehand? Simple: They do so by pushing particular narratives. It would've been stronger earlier on. it's less so now).

2) Effectiveness: What can you gain from dev boycotts as a group action that you couldn't gain from hammering the press itself? Is the cost/benefit analysis worth the trouble? I've yet to see someone hand off something that demonstrates it would be more effective to boycott devs than what we've been doing already.

As a result, in talking with various other boycott people, I believe in awareness campaigns more than standard boycotts (Ex: http://www.eastarwars.com/ )

>>155

1) Couldn't you initiate a boycott without involving the name of GG but getting a good amount of people from GG to boycott a certain developer under a different hash-tag/name that's part of a different section of GG? GG has a good amount of potential to boycott anti-consumer companies.

2) I'd say you look at the paid mods situation: The threat of a large boycott happening against a certain company along with people speaking up angrily about the issues they have with Valve shift their tune and force them to (for now) change their policy. It hurt Valve's reputation and it also made a good amount of people boycott Steam along with having a very good memory of what they've done. I still think money speaks and I don't really think awareness campaigns can do much unless there's at least the threat of a boycott involved because the company isn't losing any money which is what keeps the company going.

The eastarwars.com campaign, although it was hilarious to watch and pretty well done doesn't really stop people from buying EA's products. They had the worst company award and are known as a shitty game company in gaming but the thing is, they still make money and profit which is the sole purpose of the company's existence. As long as they make money and a good amount of profit, whatever awarness campaign against them has been launched won't work unless there's a threat of a boycott happening which could make them lose a ton of money.

>>156

1) Of course you could, but I was referring specifically under attempting to recruit the GG banner for it. My apologies for not being clear enough.

2) The eastarwars campaign is DAMAGING. You don't seem to realize that to these yokels, PR is everything. What you do is spread that around. How do you think these jokers got so powerful? They shrieked the loudest. The more you spread stuff like this, the more it hurts them. You have yet to demonstrate how the "threat" of boycott is more effective than simply ripping apart the media that is enabling a lot of this bullshit to begin with by being paid off. (That doesn't mean that it's useless, but I'm asking how it's MORE effective).

>>157

>1) Of course you could, but I was referring specifically under attempting to recruit the GG banner for it. My apologies for not being clear enough.

Not a problem.

>2) The eastarwars campaign is DAMAGING. You don't seem to realize that to these yokels, PR is everything. What you do is spread that around. How do you think these jokers got so powerful? They shrieked the loudest. The more you spread stuff like this, the more it hurts them. You have yet to demonstrate how the "threat" of boycott is more effective than simply ripping apart the media that is enabling a lot of this bullshit to begin with by being paid off. (That doesn't mean that it's useless, but I'm asking how it's MORE effective).

I am just saying that if you combine the Paid mods situation + EAStarWars campaign + Operation Disrespectful Nod together then you could cause it to be more effective because these companies are having a PR along with having a huge load of e-mails saying that if the company behaves the way it does than their products won't be bought, creating the threat of a boycott which would cause them to lose their money.

Also I don't see how boycott's aren't effective, just look at the websites with these corrupt journalists. They've been scarred by ODN and nearly most of their advertisers have left. Just look at Gawker.

>>158

The boycotts themselves aren't effective enough on their own without support, as you yourself have just said here:

>I am just saying that if you combine the Paid mods situation + EAStarWars campaign + Operation Disrespectful Nod together then you could cause it to be more effective because these companies are having a PR along with having a huge load of e-mails saying that if the company behaves the way it does than their products won't be bought, creating the threat of a boycott which would cause them to lose their money.

It's all about fielding whatever tools that are handy.

If you wish to bring out the dev boycotts though, you've got your work cut out for you. You have to trawl through company history, bring out the nitty gritty, and be ready to show it far and wide. Then be able to time it for the next time they fuck up to maximize the damage.

>>159

I pretty much agree with what you have said and I nearly had forgotten that with a boycott you need an effective campaign and a lot of digging to do to work well.

>>160

If I wasn't busy on the CC angle, I'd help out more. What I can do is give you two good starting points to work on: Compile the information on Double Fine/Tim Schafer, and Gearbox/Randy Pitchford. That is step one.

>>161

Will do.

>>162

Whenever you do, bring it out here, and I'll see what you've dug up. Might be neat bits. Might be able to fill in some holes.

>>163

I am currently busy at the moment but I'll post anything I've dug up on them.