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Moderation Thread

Hello, this thread is for any suggestions or complaints about the moderation. You can also use this as a way to contact the moderation rather than posting elsewhere in the board and simply hoping I will see it.

We do not have an official Discord or IRC, but any user can feel free to make one and post its link.

If you need to contact me outside the board: LoveJesus@8chan.co

Thank you and may God bless.

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Prayer general.

Post your prayers for other Anons to pray for, if the mods could make this a cycling thread that would be great.

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Hi please read this is important thank you

Hi i want to make this thread because is important!sorry for my bad english i dont speak very well

Dear Christians and non christians people etc it seems that Youtube is full of pedofiles it seems that pedofiles make money with agency model teens and baby wear sexy hot custome .if you ask me if a have proof yes a have links videos but Youtube just disabled comments :

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==========Bible verse KJV about adultery===============

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Proverbs 6:32 - [But] whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he [that] doeth it destroyeth his own soul.

Matthew 5:28 - But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Hebrews 13:4 - Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Matthew 19:9 - And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Exodus 20:14 - Thou shalt not commit adultery.

1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Proverbs 6:24-29 - To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman. (Read More…)

1 Corinthians 10:13 - There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

Deuteronomy 22:22 - If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, [both] the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.

John 8:4-11 - They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. (Read More…)

Matthew 5:32 - But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 - Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. (Read More…)

Matthew 5:27-28 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (Read More…)

Ephesians 5:5 - For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Romans 7:3 - So then if, while [her] husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

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Planning on quitting 8ch, meme dump

Feels bad to let all these Christian memes go to waste, so I'm dumping them here. After I've posted all of them, I'm deleting them off my computer forever

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Things that piss you off

>calling God "She"

My jimmies are in full on rustled mode.

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where da christian women at

How do I find the aryan christian q.t. virgins that every one is talkin about? I'm day 55 of no FAP and I'm not sure I can do this the rest of my life. I checked out my campus christian group and it's full of sluts and lesbians…

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Buddhism general

amitahaba amitofo.

We discuss why I should become Christian here.

So why?

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is it ok to hate black people

Where does the bible say you can't hate black people?

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LDS

How will Mormons ever recover?

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lonely church

Does anyone else have a problem with feeling alienated at church? With feeling like an outsider in church groups, and having trouble connecting with and befriending other people in a church environment.

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Saint Anderson of Faithful Word

When you pray to him, I mean venerate his idol, I mean icon, he goes straight to Jesus and tells him to send you to hell for praying to him.

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Hi i want to share to you The movie Gospel of John 2003 [THE LIFE OF JESUS]

Hi i want to share to you The movie Gospel of John 2003 [THE LIFE OF JESUS] is a full movie youtube

please watch this:

link movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mgUPt2KI08

please dont remove this thread i hope you watch this movie

HAVE A NICE DAY

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Hi i want to share to you a movie documentary about earth the movie is from 2009 year

Hi i want to share to you a movie documentary about earth the movie is from 2009 year the movie is called "HOME" and i want to share to you please dont remove this thread is good movie

The video link from youtube is from them who create the movie documentary they publish on youtube !

Have a nice day!

Link movie youtube:https://youtu.be/ZjE9T-KQZOU?t=73

and dont forget to watch the threat that i post with the movie The Gospel of John

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"Cursing" the Enemies of God or the Church

Is it a sin to request judgement to be passed upon a nation, institution, or individual who is actively attempting to destroy Christianity? I am aware that the Bible says not to curse your enemies, but there are two reasons why I am not sure whether that applies to the scenario I am describing: first, there is a substantial difference between a personal enemy and a government or institution that is trying to prevent people from becoming Christians or trying to prevent Christianity from spreading. Second, a Biblical "curse" is defined as "wishing evil upon someone" or "calling down evil upon someone." God's judgement is obviously not evil.

An example of what I am talking about would be something like "may God judge this nation for its wickedness."

Just wondering what you guys think.

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Homosexuality discussion thread

Given that /christian/ is simply uncapable of having a proper discussion on this, I have decided to ask here:

Do you see them as a problem?

Is it a mental illness?

Is it learned behaviour?

If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

I want this to be a theory/discussion thread about homosexuals and on how they can be saved. Not interested in the andersonites and their kys advice.

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Does God love jews more?

Does this verse indicate that God only saved the gentiles to make jews jealous? Maybe I'm misinterpreting it but it makes me feel pretty worthless to think that the creator of the universe, despite gentiles obedience still favors the disobedient jews

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My faith as a celibate, reluctantly-gay christian?

sup /christ/

I came to God about 4 years ago after a series of events that i'll save for another time.

Before this, I was a semi-closeted fag, and had been one since puberty in hindsight.

When I repented to God, I repented more specifically of this, because I know its unloving, unnatural, and a perversion.

It is a source of dishonesty in me, like cancer, and I don't want to be like this.

I haven't known any different in my life, and I can't force myself to just be attracted to women as if I were never a homo, let alone have a clean conscience to be with one after my past.

I've looked into things like castration, chemically and physically, but these things are difficult to do.

Is there anyone here who can give me true advice on this, I love Jesus but I don't want to live with a defiled heart.

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Serpent Seed

Understanding Genesis

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Redpilled, Christian podcasters

This is a thread to discuss and share podcasts by Christians who are engaging the cultural condition (not so much theological stuff). The first and foremost in this category is E. Michael Jones. Lately I've also been watching Vox Day and Owen Benjamin. Share you favorite Christian podcasters and post your favorite work of theirs.

This podcast by Owen Benjamin is his best one yet. It's long but worth watching in full. He's a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but really funny and smart.

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Jesus workouts

Why was Jesus Christ so freaking ripped? What was his workout routine?

He's always portrayed with washboard six pack abs,i know he was a carpenter and that helped. But I'm guessing he also daily did pull ups,push ups and abs. His diet of bread,fish was also not terrible since low processed+quality protein.

What do you guys think should we all be has in good shape like Jesus

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Anderson thread

>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

>God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

>Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

>But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

>Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

>And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

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Thoughts?

This app has many changes like this.

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WORSHIP MARY = GO TO HELL & SWEDEN VS THE VATICAN

LET GOD'S ANGER BE UPON THEM

EZEKIEL 43:7

He Said: Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet. This is where I will Live among the Israelites for Ever, The house of Israel Will Never Again defile my Holy Name—neither they nor their kings— By their prostitution and the Lifeless Idols of their Kings at their High Places. When they placed their Threshold next to my threshold and their doorposts besides my doorposts, with only a wall between me and them, They defiled my holy name by their detestable practices. So i Destroyed them in my Anger. Now let them Put away from me their prostitution and the lifeless idols of their Kings, And I will love among them Forever.

>By their prostitution and the Lifeless Idols of their Kings at their High Places

>When they placed their Threshold next to my threshold and their doorposts besides my doorposts, with only a wall between me and them,

>They defiled my holy name by their detestable practices

>Now let them Put away from me their prostitution and the lifeless idols of their Kings,

God Hates Mary Idols

God hates Mary Idolaters,

But a woman these Pagan Catholics Worship

No doubt from the Saturnian Role of Worship of the Pontifex Maximus, Now head for Catholicism as the Pope

You Children & zoomers might believe Idolatry only goes for Demons, No

It goes for all!

Sweden,…

The Most Rightous Nation on Earth, Of Pure Racial Stock, Purest stock of all, Rewarded for our Great Service

Murdered and Genocided 7 Million Germans in the great Holy war of the 30 years war

To Revive Christianity More on this,… —

Get Wise Children

SWEDEN VS VATICAN

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Christian

Discord!

https://discord.gg/jvK76YP

Get in here

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I hate tutor

Tutor you worthless sack of shit, you couldn’t run a board if someone paid you to

I was banned for “ban evasion” last year. I explained this ban to you repeatedly. I explained to you, I wasn’t ban evading, this is a mistake, please remove it. You denied my appeal last year, despite me explaining I wasn’t ban evading. I emailed you, and got no response. I talked to you on discord, and you said the ban was “too far back” for you to undo. You flat out told me “just ban evade lol”

Finally, I wait nine months, and 8chan allows me to reappeal my ban. So I do, and you deny it anyway? Well I’m ban evading now just to say you can eat shit you stupid asshole

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Life.Church App changes the KJV...

I still use this app because it has the best features, but someone pointed this out to me about 6 months ago. Can't find anything explaining all the changes between the "KJV" (Crown Copyright) used on this app, and the "KJVA" (which seems to be the standard KJV).

Anyone?

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/SW/ - Spiritual Warfare

Fellow /christ/ians what is some good advice with fighting against spiritual demons? Whether temptations to spoopy ghosts, whats the best course of action to take against such entities? I also fear today with the level of social degeneracy the demons will have more sway and power and it is just to say christians need to stand guard and properly prepare. Since temptations, moral decay and demonic spirits do pose a major threat to not only the church but the faith- we need some good insight to see what we are up against. I will try to find scriptures, but it wise to seek counsel.

Inb4

>not your personal army

But God's personal army

If these threads were to by some chance persist we need to organize better organization and structure along with information. Any input that can help would be of great use

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Some historical argumentation.

Excuse me /christ/, I've been running around this argument and I haven't had a nice reply so far. I was wondering if I could take it here.

The gist of it is:

>If the Holy Spirit guides people into understanding the bible, then there must have been a amount of people who truly understood the bible since 100 AD.

>If those people truly understood the bible, we must have beliefs similar to them.

>Conclusion:

>Ideas that didn't exist at around 100 AD, can't possibly be what God intended. To claim otherwise is to claim that the Holy Spirit had not guided the Apostles into true understanding.

I thought some Protestant would debunk it since I got "gotcha" smells form it, but so far I've actually not seen a decent take on it. Anyone?

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Get waiting room

Whoever gets >>20000 decides the new religion of this board

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on the subject of Treachery

As an American, I feel we kiss Israeli ass too much. Is it treacherous to stab a would be ally in the back of they're fucking you over behind your own back, especially if they aren't Christian?

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KJV ONLY

The NASB is from the Vatican manuscripts that lack the entire book of revelation, so they borrow it from the majority greek texts. - http://www.harpercollinschristian.com/zondervan/

Largest english Bible printer exclusive printer for the #1 NIV Bible

owned by harper collins - used by "gay" churches

what else the Harper Collins company prints

http://www.harpercollins.com/9780380015399/satanic-bible and http://www.harpercollins.com/9780060012748/the-joy-of-gay-sex Satanists and sodomites hate the King James Bible since it alone commands they be put to death. Yet they "claim" they do not hate it, just that there are "better" new Bibles out there.these people are often satanists who wish to discredit King James believers and Gail Riplinger's work or they work for the publishers. There are actually paid trolls who get $$$ to get you to believe the copyrighted Bibles are better so you buy the new Bibles.

all new Bibles are based on the VaticANUS manuscipts = Vatican = popeThese deceivers do not want you to know this. Do we trust the Pope?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04086a.htm

a catholic website says it all

Anyone in the USA can print the no copyright in the USA King James and ONLY Zondervan can print the # 1 selling NIV Bible. James White was listed as a paid consultant to the NASB on their website and it was since taken off when I started posting it all over the tube

notice that sodomite churches NEVER use the King James Bible, but rather new versions that totally delete the word SODOMITEAny one can print the King James Bible in the USA and only the copyright holder can print the modern Bibles. So satanists, sodomites hate the King James so the new Bible printers to make money. KJV is God's Word in English.

this is a repost of a repost ad infinitum.

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STOP SPILLING SEED

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JFK Jr. Dark to light

JFK Jr Mount Rushmore connection. Coincidence? Pay attention to when JFK Jr. Went and what the photo shoot was "for"

https://www.yankton.net/news/article_2e742b2b-047f-5106-aaa7-36a017566208.html

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Losing faith in future

I apologize if this isn't the board for this, but I've been lurking for a little over a year now and wanted to make a post. I'm 23, college graduate from the University of Kansas, Christian and feel this overwhelming since of loneliness.

I'm lonely /Christ/. I understand this post might get made fun of but I have nowhere else to turn to. My parents think I'm a right wing extremist, my Church put the gilette ad on today and the pastor praised it, and I'm surrounded by a community of third wave feminists (Lawrence is the liberal spot in Kansas).

I believe in God. I consider myself a traditionalist right wing Christian and I've left my old church after the pastor started talking about "toxic masculinity". I long for a wife. My God, how I long to be able to call myself a husband… a father. To fulfill my spiritual roll as a man. My biological role as a man. But society has deemed such a role unneeded. "No future exists for the cis white boys in this classroom" so would say my professor.

I don't know what I expected from posting here. I guess to just see if anyone could relate or if I was just screaming into the void. I fear it's the latter. I brought this up awhile ago on halfchan /pol/ and it just felt like screaming into the void.

Lost 70 pounds, doing /fit/ness, NoFap, lift, decent paying job for somebody right out of college and ain't totally ugly. Still though, can't find a tradwife.

TLDR; I'm lonely and long for a trad wife. Just screaming into the void hoping somebody can relate.

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Temple OS

https://youtu.be/ygZNVbBcJ4I

Who is using this thing? It has an app that lets you talk to God.

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Notre Dame on Fire

Historic cathedral in massive fire

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47941794

A fire has broken out at the famous Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris and has spread rapidly across the building.

The cause is not yet clear, but officials say that it could be linked to renovation work.

A major operation to tackle the blaze is under way at the 850-year-old Gothic building, but the cathedral's spire and roof have collapsed.

Last year, the Catholic Church in France appealed for funds to save the building, which was crumbling.

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Saint John Wesley

Saint John Wesley was an English cleric, theologian and evangelist who was a leader of a revival movement within the Church of England known as Methodism. The societies he founded became the dominant form of the independent Methodist movement that continues to present. He held that, in this life, Christians could achieve a state where the love of God "reigned supreme in their hearts", giving them outward holiness. His evangelicalism, firmly grounded in sacramental theology, maintained that means of grace were the manner by which God sanctifies and transforms the believer, encouraging people to experience Jesus Christ personally. His teachings are collectively known as Wesleyanism.

Some famous quotes of St. Wesley:

>Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as ever you can.

>What one generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace.

>The church changes the world not by making converts but by making disciples.

>Give me one hundred preachers who fear nothing but sin and desire nothing but God, and I care not whether they be clergymen or laymen, they alone will shake the gates of Hell and set up the kingdom of Heaven upon Earth.

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Blessed James Oldo

FINAL POST

You’ve heard rags-to-riches stories. Today, we celebrate the reverse.

James of Oldo was born into a well-to-do family near Milan in 1364. He married a woman who like him, appreciated the comforts that came with wealth. But an outbreak of the plague drove James, his wife, and their three children out of their home and into the countryside. Despite those precautions, two of his daughters died from the plague. James determined to use whatever time he had left to build up treasures in heaven and to build God’s realm on earth.

He and his wife became Secular Franciscans. James gave up his old lifestyle and did penance for his sins. He cared for a sick priest, who taught him Latin. Upon the death of his wife, James himself became a priest. His house was transformed into a chapel where small groups of people, many of them fellow Secular Franciscans, came for prayer and support. James focused on caring for the sick and for prisoners of war. He died in 1404 after contracting a disease from one of his patients.

James Oldo was beatified in 1933.

HAVE A BLESSED HOLY WEEKEND

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Saint Charles Spurgeon

Charles Haddon Spurgeon (19 June 1834[1] – 31 January 1892) was an English Particular Baptist preacher. Spurgeon remains highly influential among Christians of various denominations, among whom he is known as the "Prince of Preachers". He was a strong figure in the Reformed Baptist tradition, defending the Church in agreement with the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith understanding, and opposing the liberal and pragmatic theological tendencies in the Church of his day.

https://www.spurgeon.org/

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Saint Benedict Joseph Labre

Benedict Joseph Labre was truly eccentric, one of God’s special little ones. Born in France and the eldest of 18 children, he studied under his uncle, a parish priest. Because of poor health and a lack of suitable academic preparation he was unsuccessful in his attempts to enter the religious life. Then, at age 16, a profound change took place. Benedict lost his desire to study and gave up all thoughts of the priesthood, much to the consternation of his relatives.

He became a pilgrim, traveling from one great shrine to another, living off alms. He wore the rags of a beggar and shared his food with the poor. Filled with the love of God and neighbor, Benedict had special devotion to the Blessed Mother and to the Blessed Sacrament. In Rome, where he lived in the Colosseum for a time, he was called “the poor man of the Forty Hours devotion” and “the beggar of Rome.” The people accepted his ragged appearance better than he did. His excuse to himself was that “our comfort is not in this world.”

On April 16, 1783, the last day of his life, Benedict dragged himself to a church in Rome and prayed there for two hours before he collapsed, dying peacefully in a nearby house. Immediately after his death, the people proclaimed him a saint.

Benedict Joseph Labre was canonized by Pope Leo XIII in 1881. His Liturgical Feast Day is April 16.

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Saint Bernadette Soubirous

Bernadette Soubirous was born in 1844, the first child of an extremely poor miller in the town of Lourdes in southern France. The family was living in the basement of a dilapidated building when on February 11, 1858, the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to Bernadette in a cave above the banks of the Gave River near Lourdes. Bernadette, 14 years old, was known as a virtuous girl though a dull student who had not even made her first Holy Communion. In poor health, she had suffered from asthma from an early age.

There were 18 appearances in all, the final one occurring on the feast of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, July 16. Although Bernadette’s initial reports provoked skepticism, her daily visions of “the Lady” brought great crowds of the curious. The Lady, Bernadette explained, had instructed her to have a chapel built on the spot of the visions. There, the people were to come to wash in and drink of the water of the spring that had welled up from the very spot where Bernadette had been instructed to dig.

According to Bernadette, the Lady of her visions was a girl of 16 or 17 who wore a white robe with a blue sash. Yellow roses covered her feet, a large rosary was on her right arm. In the vision on March 25 she told Bernadette, “I am the Immaculate Conception.” It was only when the words were explained to her that Bernadette came to realize who the Lady was.

Few visions have ever undergone the scrutiny that these appearances of the Immaculate Virgin were subject to. Lourdes became one of the most popular Marian shrines in the world, attracting millions of visitors. Miracles were reported at the shrine and in the waters of the spring. After thorough investigation, Church authorities confirmed the authenticity of the apparitions in 1862.

During her life, Bernadette suffered much. She was hounded by the public as well as by civic officials until at last she was protected in a convent of nuns. Five years later, she petitioned to enter the Sisters of Notre Dame of Nevers. After a period of illness she was able to make the journey from Lourdes and enter the novitiate. But within four months of her arrival she was given the last rites of the Church and allowed to profess her vows. She recovered enough to become infirmarian and then sacristan, but chronic health problems persisted. She died on April 16, 1879, at the age of 35.

Bernadette Soubirous was canonized in 1933.

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Blessed Caesar de Bus

Like so many of us, Caesar de Bus struggled with the decision about what to do with his life. After completing his Jesuit education he had difficulty settling between a military and a literary career. He wrote some plays but ultimately settled for life in the army and at court.

For a time, life was going rather smoothly for the engaging, well-to-do young Frenchman. He was confident he had made the right choice. That was until he saw firsthand the realities of battle, including the Saint Bartholomew’s Day massacres of French Protestants in 1572.

He fell seriously ill and found himself reviewing his priorities, including his spiritual life. By the time he had recovered, Caesar had resolved to become a priest. Following his ordination in 1582, he undertook special pastoral work: teaching the catechism to ordinary people living in neglected, rural, out-of-the-way places. His efforts were badly needed and well received.

Working with his cousin, Caesar developed a program of family catechesis. The goal—to ward off heresy among the people—met the approval of local bishops. Out of these efforts grew a new religious congregation: the Fathers of Christian Doctrine.

One of Caesar’s works, Instructions for the Family on the Four Parts of the Roman Catechism, was published 60 years after his death.

He was beatified in 1975.

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Blessed Peter Gonzalez

Saint Paul had a conversion experience on the road to Damascus. Many years later, the same proved true for Peter Gonzalez, who triumphantly rode his horse into the Spanish city of Astorga in the 13th century to take up an important post at the cathedral. The animal stumbled and fell, leaving Peter in the mud and onlookers amused.

Humbled, Peter reevaluated his motivations—his bishop-uncle had secured the cathedral post for him—and started down a new path. He became a Dominican priest and proved to be a most effective preacher. He spent much of his time as court chaplain, and attempted to exert positive influence on the behavior of members of the court. After King Ferdinand III and his troops defeated the Moors at Cordoba, Peter was successful in restraining the soldiers from pillaging, and persuaded the king to treat the defeated Moors with compassion.

After retiring from the court, Peter devoted the remainder of his life to preaching in northwest Spain. Having developed a special mission to Spanish and Portuguese seamen, he is considered their patron.

Peter Gonzalez died in 1246 and was beatified in 1741.

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Saint Martin I

When Martin I became pope in 649, Constantinople was the capital of the Byzantine empire and the patriarch of Constantinople was the most influential Church leader in the eastern Christian world. The struggles that existed within the Church at that time were magnified by the close cooperation of emperor and patriarch.

A teaching, strongly supported in the East, held that Christ had no human will. Twice, emperors had officially favored this position: Heraclius by publishing a formula of faith, and Constans II by silencing the issue of one or two wills in Christ.

Shortly after assuming the office of the papacy—which he did without first being confirmed by the emperor—Martin held a council at the Lateran in which the imperial documents were censured, and in which the patriarch of Constantinople and two of his predecessors were condemned. In response, Constans II first tried to turn bishops and people against the pope.

Failing in this and in an attempt to kill the pope, the emperor sent troops to Rome to seize Martin and to bring him back to Constantinople. Already in poor health, Martin offered no resistance, returned with Calliopas, the exarch of Constantinople, and was then submitted to various imprisonments, tortures, and hardships. Although condemned to death and with some of the imposed torture already carried out, Martin was saved from execution by the pleas of a repentant Paul, patriarch of Constantinople, who was himself gravely ill.

Tortures and cruel treatment having taken their toll, Martin died shortly thereafter. He is the last of the early popes to be venerated as a martyr.

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Saint Teresa of Los Andes

One needn’t live a long life to leave a deep imprint. Teresa of Los Andes is proof of that.

As a young girl growing up in the early 1900’s in Santiago, Chile, Juana Fernandez read an autobiography of a French-born saint—Thérèse, popularly known as the Little Flower. The experience deepened her desire to serve God and clarified the path she would follow. At age 19 Juana became a Carmelite nun, taking the name of Teresa.

The convent offered the simple lifestyle Teresa desired and the joy of living in a community of women completely devoted to God. She focused her days on prayer and sacrifice. “I am God’s,” she wrote in her diary. “He created me and is my beginning and my end.”

Toward the end of her short life, Teresa began an apostolate of letter-writing, sharing her thoughts on the spiritual life with many people. At age 20 she contracted typhus and quickly took her final vows. She died a short time later, during Holy Week.

Known as the “Flower of the Andes,” Teresa remains popular with the estimated 100,000 pilgrims who visit her shrine in Los Andes each year. Canonized in 1993 by Pope John Paul II, she is Chile’s first saint.

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Saint Stanislaus

Anyone who reads the history of Eastern Europe cannot help but chance on the name of Stanislaus, the saintly but tragic bishop of Kraków, patron of Poland. He is remembered with Saints Thomas More and Thomas Becket for vigorous opposition to the evils of an unjust government.

Born in Szczepanow near Kraków on July 26, 1030, he was ordained a priest after being educated in the cathedral schools of Gniezno, then capital of Poland, and at Paris. He was appointed preacher and archdeacon to the bishop of Kraków, where his eloquence and example brought about real conversion in many of his penitents, both clergy and laity. He became bishop of Kraków in 1072.

During an expedition against the Grand Duchy of Kiev, Stanislaus became involved in the political situation of Poland. Known for his outspokenness, he aimed his attacks at the evils of the peasantry and the king, especially the unjust wars and immoral acts of King Boleslaus II.

The king first excused himself, then made a show of penance, then relapsed into his old ways. Stanislaus continued his open opposition in spite of charges of treason and threats of death, finally excommunicating the king. Enraged, the latter ordered soldiers to kill the bishop. When they refused, the king killed Stanislaus with his own hands.

Forced to flee to Hungary, Boleslaus supposedly spent the rest of his life as a penitent in the Benedictine abbey in Osiak.

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Saint Magdalen of Canossa

Wealth and privilege did nothing to prevent today’s saint from following her calling to serve Christ in the poor. Nor did the protests of her relatives, concerned that such work was beneath her.

Born in northern Italy in 1774, Magdalen knew her mind—and spoke it. At age 15 she announced she wished to become a nun. After trying out her vocation with the cloistered Carmelites, she realized her desire was to serve the needy without restriction. For years she worked among the poor and sick in hospitals and in their homes, and also among delinquent and abandoned girls.

In her mid-20s, Magdalen began offering lodging to poor girls in her own home. In time she opened a school, which offered practical training and religious instruction. As other women joined her in the work, the new Congregation of the Canossian Daughters of Charity—or Canossian Sisters—emerged. Over time, houses were opened throughout Italy.

Members of the new religious congregation focused on the educational and spiritual needs of women. Magdalen also founded a smaller congregation for priests and brothers. Both groups continue to this day.

Magdalen died in 1835. Pope John Paul II canonized her in 1988.

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Saint Casilda

Some saints’ names are far more familiar to us than others, but even the lives of obscure holy persons teach us something.

And so it is with Saint Casilda. Her father was a Muslim leader in Toledo, Spain, in the 10th century. Casilda was a devout Muslim but was kind to Christian prisoners. She became ill as a young woman but did not trust that any of the local Arab doctors could cure her. So she made a pilgrimage to the shrine of San Vicenzo in northern Spain. Like so many other people who made their way there—many of them suffering from hemorrhages—Casilda sought the healing waters of the shrine. We’re uncertain what brought her to the shrine, but we do know that she left it relieved of illness.

In response, she became a Christian and lived a life of solitude and penance not far from the miraculous spring. It’s said that she lived to be 100 years old. Her death likely occurred around the year 1050.

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Saint Julie Billiart

Born in Cuvilly, France, into a family of well-to-do farmers, young Marie Rose Julie Billiart showed an early interest in religion and in helping the sick and poor. Though the first years of her life were relatively peaceful and uncomplicated, Julie had to take up manual work as a young teen when her family lost its money. However, she spent her spare time teaching catechism to young people and to the farm laborers.

A mysterious illness overtook her when she was about 30. Witnessing an attempt to wound or even kill her father, Julie was paralyzed and became a complete invalid. For the next two decades, she continued to teach catechism lessons from her bed, offered spiritual advice, and attracted visitors who had heard of her holiness.

When the French Revolution broke out in 1789, revolutionary forces became aware of her allegiance to fugitive priests. With the help of friends, she was smuggled out of Cuvilly in a haycart. She then spent several years hiding in Compiegne, being moved from house to house despite her growing physical pain. She even lost the power of speech for a time.

But this period also proved to be a fruitful spiritual time for Julie. It was at this time she had a vision in which she saw Calvary surrounded by women in religious habits and heard a voice saying, “Behold these spiritual daughters whom I give you in an institute marked by the cross.”

As time passed and Julie continued her mobile life, she made the acquaintance of an aristocratic woman, Françoise Blin de Bourdon, who shared Julie’s interest in teaching the faith. In 1803, the two women began the Institute of Notre Dame, which was dedicated to the education of the poor, young Christian girls, and the training of catechists. The following year, the first Sisters of Notre Dame made their vows. That was the same year that Julie recovered from the illness: She was able to walk for the first time in 22 years.

Though Julie had always been attentive to the special needs of the poor and that always remained her priority, she also became aware that other classes in society needed Christian instruction. From the founding of the Sisters of Notre Dame until her death, Julie was on the road, opening a variety of schools in France and Belgium that served the poor and the wealthy, vocational groups, teachers. Ultimately, Julie and Françoise moved the motherhouse to Namur, Belgium.

Julie died there in 1816. She was canonized in 1969.

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Saint John Baptist de La Salle

Complete dedication to what he saw as God’s will for him dominated the life of John Baptist de La Salle. In 1950, Pope Pius XII named him patron of schoolteachers for his efforts in upgrading school instruction. As a young 17th-century Frenchman, John had everything going for him: scholarly bent, good looks, noble family background, money, refined upbringing. At the early age of 11, he received the tonsure and started preparation for the priesthood, to which he was ordained at 27. He seemed assured then of a life of dignified ease and a high position in the Church.

But God had other plans for John, which were gradually revealed to him in the next several years. During a chance meeting with Monsieur Adrien Nyel, he became interested in the creation of schools for poor boys in Rheims, where he was stationed. Though the work was extremely distasteful to him at first, he became more involved in working with the deprived youths.

Once convinced that this was his divinely appointed mission, John threw himself wholeheartedly into the work, left home and family, abandoned his position as canon at Rheims, gave away his fortune, and reduced himself to the level of the poor to whom he devoted his entire life.

The remainder of his life was closely entwined with the community of religious men he founded, the Brothers of the Christian School (also called Christian Brothers or De La Salle Brothers). This community grew rapidly and was successful in educating boys of poor families, using methods designed by John. It prepared teachers in the first training college for teachers and also set up homes and schools for young delinquents of wealthy families. The motivating element in all these endeavors was the desire to become a good Christian.

Yet even in his success, John did not escape experiencing many trials: heart-rending disappointment and defections among his disciples, bitter opposition from the secular schoolmasters who resented his new and fruitful methods, and persistent opposition from the Jansenists of his time, whose moral rigidity and pessimism about the human condition John resisted vehemently all his life.

Afflicted with asthma and rheumatism in his last years, he died at age 68 on Good Friday, and was canonized in 1900.

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Saint Crescentia Hoess

Crescentia was born in 1682, the daughter of a poor weaver, in a little town near Augsburg. She spent play time praying in the parish church, assisted those even poorer than herself and had so mastered the truths of her religion that she was permitted to make her first Holy Communion at the then unusually early age of 7. In the town she was called “the little angel.”

As she grew older, she desired to enter the convent of the Tertiaries of Saint Francis. But the convent was poor, and because Crescentia had no dowry, the superiors refused her admission. Her case was then pleaded by the Protestant mayor of the town to whom the convent owed a favor. The community felt it was forced into receiving her, and her new life was made miserable. She was considered a burden and assigned nothing other than menial tasks. Even her cheerful spirit was misinterpreted as flattery or hypocrisy.

Conditions improved four years later when a new superior was elected who realized her virtue. Crescentia herself was appointed mistress of novices. She so won the love and respect of the sisters that, upon the death of the superior, Crescentia was unanimously elected to that position. Under her, the financial state of the convent improved and her reputation in spiritual matters spread. She was soon being consulted by princes and princesses; bishops and cardinals too sought her advice. And yet, a true daughter of Francis, she remained ever humble.

Bodily afflictions and pain were always with her. First it was headaches and toothaches. Then she lost the ability to walk, her hands and feet gradually becoming so crippled that her body curled up into a fetal position. In the spirit of Francis she cried out, “Oh, you bodily members, praise God that he has given you the capacity to suffer.” Despite her sufferings she was filled with peace and joy as she died on Easter Sunday in 1744.

She was beatified in 1900 and canonized by Pope John Paul II in 2001. The Liturgical Feast Day for Saint Crescentia Hoess is April 5.

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Saint Vincent Ferrer

The polarization in the Church today is a mild breeze compared with the tornado that ripped the Church apart during the lifetime of this saint. If any saint is a patron of reconciliation, Vincent Ferrer is.

Despite parental opposition, he entered the Dominican Order in his native Spain at 19. After brilliant studies, he was ordained a priest by Cardinal Peter de Luna—who would figure tragically in his life.

Of a very ardent nature, Vincent practiced the austerities of his Order with great energy. He was chosen prior of the Dominican house in Valencia shortly after his ordination.

The Western schism divided Christianity first between two, then three, popes. Clement VII lived at Avignon in France, Urban VI in Rome. Vincent was convinced the election of Urban was invalid, though Catherine of Siena was just as devoted a supporter of the Roman pope. In the service of Cardinal de Luna, Vincent worked to persuade Spaniards to follow Clement. When Clement died, Cardinal de Luna was elected at Avignon and became Benedict XIII.

Vincent worked for him as apostolic penitentiary and Master of the Sacred Palace. But the new pope did not resign as all candidates in the conclave had sworn to do. He remained stubborn, despite being deserted by the French king and nearly all of the cardinals.

Vincent became disillusioned and very ill, but finally took up the work of simply “going through the world preaching Christ,” though he felt that any renewal in the Church depended on healing the schism. An eloquent and fiery preacher, he spent the last 20 years of his life spreading the Good News in Spain, France, Switzerland, the Low Countries and Lombardy, stressing the need of repentance and the fear of coming judgment. He became known as the “Angel of the Judgment.”

Vincent tried unsuccessfully, in 1408 and 1415, to persuade his former friend to resign. He finally concluded that Benedict was not the true pope. Though very ill, he mounted the pulpit before an assembly over which Benedict himself was presiding, and thundered his denunciation of the man who had ordained him a priest. Benedict fled for his life, abandoned by those who had formerly supported him. Strangely, Vincent had no part in the Council of Constance, which ended the schism.

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Saint Isidore of Seville

The 76 years of Isidore’s life were a time of conflict and growth for the Church in Spain. The Visigoths had invaded the land a century and a half earlier, and shortly before Isidore’s birth they set up their own capital. They were Arians—Christians who said Christ was not God. Thus, Spain was split in two: One people (Catholic Romans) struggled with another (Arian Goths).

Isidore reunited Spain, making it a center of culture and learning. The country served as a teacher and guide for other European countries whose culture was also threatened by barbarian invaders.

Born in Cartagena of a family that included three other sibling saints—Leander, Fulgentius and Florentina—he was educated by his elder brother, whom he succeeded as bishop of Seville.

An amazingly learned man, he was sometimes called “The Schoolmaster of the Middle Ages” because the encyclopedia he wrote was used as a textbook for nine centuries. He required seminaries to be built in every diocese, wrote a Rule for religious orders, and founded schools that taught every branch of learning. Isidore wrote numerous books, including a dictionary, an encyclopedia, a history of Goths, and a history of the world—beginning with creation! He completed the Mozarabic liturgy, which is still in use in Toledo, Spain. For all these reasons, Isidore has been suggested as patron of the Internet. Several others—including Anthony of Padua—also have been suggested.

He continued his austerities even as he approached age 80. During the last six months of his life, he increased his charities so much that his house was crowded from morning till night with the poor of the countryside.

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Saint Benedict the African

Benedict held important posts in the Franciscan Order and gracefully adjusted to other work when his terms of office were up.

His parents were slaves brought from Africa to Messina, Sicily. Freed at 18, Benedict did farm work for a wage and soon saved enough to buy a pair of oxen. He was very proud of those animals. In time, he joined a group of hermits around Palermo and was eventually recognized as their leader. Because these hermits followed the Rule of Saint Francis, Pope Pius IV ordered them to join the First Order.

Benedict was eventually novice master and then guardian of the friars in Palermo—positions rarely held in those days by a brother. In fact, Benedict was forced to accept his election as guardian. And when his term ended, he happily returned to his work in the friary kitchen.

Benedict corrected the friars with humility and charity. Once he corrected a novice and assigned him a penance only to learn that the novice was not the guilty party. Benedict immediately knelt down before the novice and asked his pardon.

In later life, Benedict was not possessive of the few things he used. He never referred to them as “mine,” but always called them “ours.” His gifts for prayer and the guidance of souls earned him throughout Sicily a reputation for holiness. Following the example of Saint Francis, Benedict kept seven 40-day fasts throughout the year; he also slept only a few hours each night.

After Benedict’s death, King Philip III of Spain paid for a special tomb for this holy friar. Canonized in 1807, he is honored as a patron saint by African Americans. The Liturgical Feast of Saint Benedict the African is April 4.

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Saint Francis of Paola

Francis of Paola was a man who deeply loved contemplative solitude and wished only to be the “least in the household of God.” Yet, when the Church called him to active service in the world, he became a miracle-worker and influenced the course of nations.

After accompanying his parents on a pilgrimage to Rome and Assisi, he began to live as a contemplative hermit in a remote cave near Paola, on Italy’s southern seacoast. Before he was 20, he received the first followers who had come to imitate his way of life. Seventeen years later, when his disciples had grown in number, Francis established a Rule for his austere community and sought Church approval. This was the founding of the Hermits of St. Francis of Assisi, who were approved by the Holy See in 1474.

In 1492, Francis changed the name of his community to “Minims” because he wanted them to be known as the least (minimi) in the household of God. Humility was to be the hallmark of the brothers as it had been in Francis’s personal life. Besides the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience, Francis enjoined upon his followers the fourth obligation of a perpetual Lenten fast. He felt that heroic mortification was necessary as a means for spiritual growth.

It was Francis’s desire to be a contemplative hermit, yet he believed that God was calling him to the apostolic life. He began to use the gifts he had received, such as the gifts of miracles and prophecy, to minister to the people of God. A defender of the poor and oppressed, Francis incurred the wrath of King Ferdinand of Naples for the admonitions he directed toward the king and his sons.

Following the request of Pope Sixtus IV, Francis traveled to Paris to help Louis XI of France prepare for his death. While ministering to the king, Francis was able to influence the course of national politics. He helped to restore peace between France and Brittany by advising a marriage between the ruling families, and between France and Spain by persuading Louis XI to return some disputed land.

Francis died while at the French court.

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Saint Hugh of Grenoble

Today’s saint could be a patron for those of us who feel so overwhelmed by all the problems in the world that we don’t know where to begin.

Hugh, who served as a bishop in France for 52 years, had his work cut out for him from the start. Corruption seemed to loom in every direction: the buying and selling of Church offices, violations of clerical celibacy, lay control of Church property, religious indifference and/or ignorance. After serving as bishop for two years, he’d had his fill. He tried disappearing to a monastery, but the pope called him back to continue the work of reform.

Ironically, Hugh was reasonably effective in the role of reformer—surely because of his devotion to the Church but also because of his strong character. In conflicts between Church and state he was an unflinching defender of the Church. He fearlessly supported the papacy. He was eloquent as a preacher. He restored his own cathedral, made civic improvements in the town, and weathered a brief exile.

Hugh may be best known as patron and benefactor of Saint Bruno, founder of the Carthusian Order. He died in 1132. He was canonized only two years later.

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Saint Stephen of Mar Saba

A “do not disturb” sign helped today’s saint find holiness and peace.

Stephen of Mar Saba was the nephew of Saint John Damascene, who introduced the young boy to monastic life beginning at age 10. When he reached 24, Stephen served the community in a variety of ways, including guest master. After some time he asked permission to live a hermit’s life. The answer from the abbot was yes and no: Stephen could follow his preferred lifestyle during the week, but on weekends he was to offer his skills as a counselor. Stephen placed a note on the door of his cell: “Forgive me, Fathers, in the name of the Lord, but please do not disturb me except on Saturdays and Sundays.”

Despite his calling to prayer and quiet, Stephen displayed uncanny skills with people and was a valued spiritual guide.

His biographer and disciple wrote about Stephen: “Whatever help, spiritual or material, he was asked to give, he gave. He received and honored all with the same kindness. He possessed nothing and lacked nothing. In total poverty he possessed all things.”

Stephen died in 794.

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Saint Peter Regalado

Peter lived at a very busy time in history. The Great Western Schism (1378-1417) was settled at the Council of Constance (1414-1418). France and England were fighting the Hundred Years’ War, and in 1453, the Byzantine Empire was completely wiped out by the loss of Constantinople to the Turks. At Peter’s death, the age of printing had just begun in Germany, and Columbus’s arrival in the New World was less than 40 years away.

Peter came from a wealthy and pious family in Valladolid, Spain. At the age of 13, he was allowed to enter the Conventual Franciscans. Shortly after his ordination, he was made superior of the friary in Aguilar. He became part of a group of friars who wanted to lead a life of greater poverty and penance. In 1442, he was appointed head of all the Spanish Franciscans in his reform group.

Peter led the friars by his example. A special love of the poor and the sick characterized Peter. Miraculous stories are told about his charity to the poor. For example, the bread never seemed to run out as long as Peter had hungry people to feed. Throughout most of his life, Peter went hungry; he lived only on bread and water.

Immediately after his death on March 31, 1456, his grave became a place of pilgrimage. Peter was canonized in 1746.

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Saint Ludovico of Casoria

Born in Casoria, near Naples, Arcangelo Palmentieri was a cabinet-maker before entering the Friars Minor in 1832, taking the name Ludovico. After his ordination five years later, he taught chemistry, physics, and mathematics to younger members of his province for several years.

In 1847, he had a mystical experience which he later described as a cleansing. After that, he dedicated his life to the poor and the infirm, establishing a dispensary for the poor, two schools for African children, an institute for the children of nobility, as well as an institution for orphans, the deaf, and the speechless, and other institutes for the blind, elderly, and for travelers. In addition to an infirmary for friars of his province, he began charitable institutes in Naples, Florence, and Assisi. He once said, “Christ’s love has wounded my heart.” This love prompted him to great acts of charity.

To help continue these works of mercy, in 1859 he established the Gray Brothers, a religious community composed of men who formerly belonged to the Secular Franciscan Order. Three years later, he founded the Gray Sisters of St. Elizabeth for the same purpose.

Toward the beginning of his final, nine-year illness, Ludovico wrote a spiritual testament which described faith as “light in the darkness, help in sickness, blessing in tribulations, paradise in the crucifixion, and life amid death.” The local work for his beatification began within five months of Ludovico’s death. He was beatified in 1993 and canonized in 2014.

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Saint Catharine of Bologna

Some Franciscan saints led fairly public lives; Catharine represents the saints who served the Lord in obscurity.

Born in Bologna, Catharine was related to the nobility in Ferrara, and was educated at court there. She received a liberal education at the court and developed some interest and talent in painting. In later years as a Poor Clare, Catharine sometimes did manuscript illumination and also painted miniatures.

At the age of 17, she joined a group of religious women in Ferrara. Four years later, the whole group joined the Poor Clares in that city. Jobs as convent baker and portress preceded her selection as novice mistress.

In 1456, she and 15 other sisters were sent to establish a Poor Clare monastery in Florence. As abbess, Catharine worked to preserve the peace of the new community. Her reputation for holiness drew many young women to the Poor Clare life. She was canonized in 1712. The Liturgical Feast of Saint Catharine of Bologna is May 9.

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Lazarus

Lazarus, the friend of Jesus, the brother of Martha and Mary, was the one of whom the Jews said, “See how much he loved him.” In their sight, Jesus raised his friend Lazarus from the dead.

Legends abound about the life of Lazarus after the death and resurrection of Jesus. He is supposed to have left a written account of what he saw in the next world before he was called back to life. Some say he followed Peter into Syria. Another story is that despite being put into a leaking boat by the Jews at Jaffa, he, his sisters, and others landed safely in Cyprus. There he died peacefully after serving as bishop for 30 years.

A church was built in his honor in Constantinople and some of his reputed relics were transferred there in 890. A Western legend has the oarless boat arriving in Gaul. There he was bishop of Marseilles, was martyred after making a number of converts, and was buried in a cave. His relics were transferred to the new cathedral in Autun in 1146.

It is certain there was early devotion to the saint. Around the year 390, the pilgrim lady Etheria talks of the procession that took place on the Saturday before Palm Sunday at the tomb where Lazarus had been raised from the dead. In the West, Passion Sunday was called Dominica de Lazaro, and Augustine tells us that in Africa the Gospel of the raising of Lazarus was read at the office of Palm Sunday.

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Matthew 7:21-23

Matthew 7:21-23 scares the shit out of me.

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Saint Catherine of Genoa

Going to confession one day was the turning point of Catherine’s life.

When Catherine was born, many Italian nobles were supporting Renaissance artists and writers. The needs of the poor and the sick were often overshadowed by a hunger for luxury and self-indulgence. Catherine’s parents were members of the nobility in Genoa. At 13, she attempted to become a nun but failed because of her age. At 16, she married Julian, a nobleman who turned out to be selfish and unfaithful. For a while she tried to numb her disappointment by a life of selfish pleasure.

One day in confession she had a new sense of her own sins and how much God loved her. She reformed her life and gave good example to Julian, who soon turned from his self-centered life of distraction. Julian’s spending, however, had ruined them financially. He and Catherine decided to live in the Pammatone, a large hospital in Genoa, and to dedicate themselves to works of charity there. After Julian’s death in 1497, Catherine took over management of the hospital.

She wrote about purgatory which, she said, begins on earth for souls open to God. Life with God in heaven is a continuation and perfection of the life with God begun on earth.

Exhausted by her life of self-sacrifice, Catherine died September 15, 1510, and was canonized in 1737.

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Annunciation of the Lord

The feast of the Annunciation, now recognized as a solemnity, was first celebrated in the fourth or fifth century. Its central focus is the Incarnation: God has become one of us. From all eternity God had decided that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity should become human. Now, as Luke 1:26-38 tells us, the decision is being realized. The God-Man embraces all humanity, indeed all creation, to bring it to God in one great act of love. Because human beings have rejected God, Jesus will accept a life of suffering and an agonizing death: “No one has greater love than this, to lay down one’s life for one’s friends” (John 15:13).

Mary has an important role to play in God’s plan. From all eternity, God destined her to be the mother of Jesus and closely related to him in the creation and redemption of the world. We could say that God’s decrees of creation and redemption are joined in the decree of Incarnation. Because Mary is God’s instrument in the Incarnation, she has a role to play with Jesus in creation and redemption. It is a God-given role. It is God’s grace from beginning to end. Mary becomes the eminent figure she is only by God’s grace. She is the empty space where God could act. Everything she is she owes to the Trinity.

Mary is the virgin-mother who fulfills Isaiah 7:14 in a way that Isaiah could not have imagined. She is united with her son in carrying out the will of God (Psalm 40:8-9; Hebrews 10:7-9; Luke 1:38).

Together with Jesus, the privileged and graced Mary is the link between heaven and earth. She is the human being who best, after Jesus, exemplifies the possibilities of human existence. She received into her lowliness the infinite love of God. She shows how an ordinary human being can reflect God in the ordinary circumstances of life. She exemplifies what the Church and every member of the Church is meant to become. She is the ultimate product of the creative and redemptive power of God. She manifests what the Incarnation is meant to accomplish for all of us.

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Saint Oscar Arnulfo Romero

The night before he was murdered while celebrating Mass, Archbishop Oscar Romero of San Salvador said on the radio: “I would like to appeal in a special way to the men of the army, and in particular to the troops of the National Guard, the police, and the garrisons. Brothers, you belong to our own people. You kill your own brother peasants; and in the face of an order to kill that is given by a man, the law of God that says ‘Do not kill!’ should prevail.

“No soldier is obliged to obey an order counter to the law of God. No one has to comply with an immoral law. It is the time now that you recover your conscience and obey its dictates rather than the command of sin. . . . Therefore, in the name of God, and in the name of this long-suffering people, whose laments rise to heaven every day more tumultuous, I beseech you, I beg you, I command you! In the name of God: ‘Cease the repression!’”

Simultaneously, Romero had eloquently upheld the gospel and effectively signed his own death warrant.

When he was appointed archbishop of San Salvador in 1977, Bishop Romero was considered a very “safe” choice. He had served as auxiliary bishop there for four years before his three years as bishop of Santiago de Maria.

Oscar’s father wanted him to be a carpenter—a trade for which he demonstrated some talent. Seminary classes in El Salvador preceded his studies at Rome’s Gregorian University and his ordination in 1942. After earning a doctorate in ascetical theology, he returned home and became a parish priest and later rector of an interdiocesan seminary.

Three weeks after his appointment as archbishop, Romero was shaken by the murder of his good friend Jesuit Father Rutilio Grande, a vigorous defender of the rights of the poor. Five more priests were assassinated in the Archdiocese of San Salvador during Romero’s years as its shepherd.

When a military junta seized control of the national government in 1979, Archbishop Romero publicly criticized the US government for backing the junta. His weekly radio sermons, broadcast throughout the country, were regarded by many as the most trustworthy source of news available.

Romero’s funeral was celebrated in the plaza outside the cathedral and drew an estimated 250,000 mourners.

His tomb in the cathedral crypt soon drew thousands of visitors each year. On February 3, 2015, Pope Francis authorized a decree recognizing Oscar Romero as a martyr for the faith. His beatification took place in San Salvador on May 23, 2015. He was canonized on October 14, 2018.

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Saint John Ogilvie

John Ogilvie’s noble Scottish family was partly Catholic and partly Presbyterian. His father raised him as a Calvinist, sending him to the continent to be educated. There, John became interested in the popular debates going on between Catholic and Calvinist scholars. Confused by the arguments of Catholic scholars whom he sought out, he turned to Scripture. Two texts particularly struck him: “God wills all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth,” and “Come to me all you who are weary and find life burdensome, and I will refresh you.”

Slowly, John came to see that the Catholic Church could embrace all kinds of people. Among these, he noted, were many martyrs. He decided to become Catholic and was received into the Church at Louvain, Belgium, in 1596 at the age of 17.

John continued his studies, first with the Benedictines, then as a student at the Jesuit College at Olmutz. He joined the Jesuits and for the next 10 years underwent their rigorous intellectual and spiritual training. At his ordination to the priesthood in France in 1610, John met two Jesuits who had just returned from Scotland after suffering arrest and imprisonment. They saw little hope for any successful work there in view of the tightening of the penal laws. But a fire had been lit within John. For the next two and a half years he pleaded to be placed there as a missionary.

Sent by his superiors, he secretly entered Scotland posing as a horse trader or a soldier returning from the wars in Europe. Unable to do significant work among the relatively few Catholics in Scotland, John made his way back to Paris to consult his superiors. Rebuked for having left his assignment in Scotland, he was sent back. He warmed to the task before him and had some success in making converts and in secretly serving Scottish Catholics. But he was soon betrayed, arrested, and brought before the court.

His trial dragged on until he had been without food for 26 hours. He was imprisoned and deprived of sleep. For eight days and nights he was dragged around, prodded with sharp sticks, his hair pulled out. Still, he refused to reveal the names of Catholics or to acknowledge the jurisdiction of the king in spiritual affairs. He underwent a second and third trial but held firm.

At his final trial, he assured his judges: “In all that concerns the king, I will be slavishly obedient; if any attack his temporal power, I will shed my last drop of blood for him. But in the things of spiritual jurisdiction which a king unjustly seizes I cannot and must not obey.”

Condemned to death as a traitor, he was faithful to the end, even when on the scaffold he was offered his freedom and a fine living if he would deny his faith. His courage in prison and in his martyrdom was reported throughout Scotland.

John Ogilvie was canonized in 1976, becoming the first Scottish saint since 1250.

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Saint Turibius of Mogrovejo

Together with Rose of Lima, Turibius is the first known saint of the New World, serving the Lord in Peru, South America, for 26 years.

Born in Spain and educated for the law, he became so brilliant a scholar that he was made professor of law at the University of Salamanca and eventually became chief judge of the Inquisition at Granada. He succeeded too well. But he was not sharp enough a lawyer to prevent a surprising sequence of events.

When the archdiocese of Lima in Peru required a new leader, Turibius was chosen to fill the post: He was the one person with the strength of character and holiness of spirit to heal the scandals that had infected that area.

He cited all the canons that forbade giving laymen ecclesiastical dignities, but he was overruled. Turibius was ordained priest and bishop and sent to Peru, where he found colonialism at its worst. The Spanish conquerors were guilty of every sort of oppression of the native population. Abuses among the clergy were flagrant, and he devoted his energies and suffering to this area first.

He began the long and arduous visitation of an immense archdiocese, studying the language, staying two or three days in each place, often with neither bed nor food. Turibius confessed every morning to his chaplain, and celebrated Mass with intense fervor. Among those to whom he gave the Sacrament of Confirmation was the future Saint Rose of Lima, and possibly the future Saint Martin de Porres. After 1590, he had the help of another great missionary, Francis Solanus, now also a saint.

Though very poor his people were sensitive, dreading to accept public charity from others. Turibius solved the problem by helping them anonymously.

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Saint Nicholas Owen

Nicholas, familiarly known as “Little John,” was small in stature but big in the esteem of his fellow Jesuits.

Born at Oxford, this humble artisan saved the lives of many priests and laypersons in England during the penal times (1559-1829), when a series of statutes punished Catholics for the practice of their faith. Over a period of about 20 years, Nicholas used his skills to build secret hiding places for priests throughout the country.

His work, which he did completely by himself as both architect and builder, was so good that time and time again priests in hiding were undetected by raiding parties. Nicholas was a genius at finding and creating places of safety: subterranean passages, small spaces between walls, impenetrable recesses.

At one point he was even able to mastermind the escape of two Jesuits from the Tower of London. Whenever Nicholas set out to design such hiding places, he began by receiving the holy Eucharist, and he would turn to God in prayer throughout the long, dangerous construction process.

After many years at his unusual task, Nicholas entered the Society of Jesus and served as a lay brother, although—for very good reasons—his connection with the Jesuits was kept secret.

After a number of narrow escapes, he himself was finally caught in 1594. Despite protracted torture, Nicholas refused to disclose the names of other Catholics. After being released following the payment of a ransom, “Little John” went back to his work. He was arrested again in 1606. This time he was subjected to horrible tortures, suffering an agonizing death. The jailers tried suggesting that he had confessed and committed suicide, but his heroism and sufferings soon were widely known.

Nicholas Owen was canonized in 1970 as one of the 40 Martyrs of England and Wales.

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Blessed John of Parma

The seventh general minister of the Franciscan Order, John was known for his attempts to bring back the earlier spirit of the Order after the death of Saint Francis of Assisi.

He was born in Parma, Italy, in 1209. It was when he was a young philosophy professor known for his piety and learning that God called him to bid good-bye to the world he was used to and enter the new world of the Franciscan Order. After his profession, John was sent to Paris to complete his theological studies. Ordained to the priesthood, he was appointed to teach theology at Bologna, then Naples, and finally Rome.

In 1245, Pope Innocent IV called a general council in the city of Lyons, France. Crescentius, the Franciscan minister general at the time, was ailing and unable to attend. In his place he sent Friar John, who made a deep impression on the Church leaders gathered there. Two years later, when the same pope presided at the election of a minister general of the Franciscans, he remembered Friar John well and held him up as the man best qualified for the office.

And so in 1247, John of Parma was elected to be minister general. The surviving disciples of St. Francis rejoiced in his election, expecting a return to the spirit of poverty and humility of the early days of the Order. And they were not disappointed. As general of the Order, John traveled on foot, accompanied by one or two companions, to practically all of the Franciscan convents in existence. Sometimes he would arrive and not be recognized, remaining there for a number of days to test the true spirit of the brothers.

The pope called on John to serve as legate to Constantinople, where he was most successful in winning back the schismatic Greeks. Upon his return, he asked that someone else take his place to govern the Order. At John’s urging, Saint Bonaventure was chosen to succeed him. John took up a life of prayer in the hermitage at Greccio.

Many years later, John learned that the Greeks who had been reconciled with the Church for a time, had relapsed into schism. Though 80 years old by then, John received permission from Pope Nicholas IV to return to the East in an effort to restore unity once again. On his way, John fell sick and died.

He was beatified in 1781.

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Saint Joseph, Husband of Mary

The Bible pays Joseph the highest compliment: he was a “just” man. The quality meant a lot more than faithfulness in paying debts.

When the Bible speaks of God “justifying” someone, it means that God, the all-holy or “righteous” one, so transforms a person that the individual shares somehow in God’s own holiness, and hence it is really “right” for God to love him or her. In other words, God is not playing games, acting as if we were lovable when we are not.

By saying Joseph was “just,” the Bible means that he was one who was completely open to all that God wanted to do for him. He became holy by opening himself totally to God.

The rest we can easily surmise. Think of the kind of love with which he wooed and won Mary, and the depth of the love they shared during their marriage.

It is no contradiction of Joseph’s manly holiness that he decided to divorce Mary when she was found to be with child. The important words of the Bible are that he planned to do this “quietly” because he was “a righteous man, yet unwilling to expose her to shame” (Matthew 1:19).

The just man was simply, joyfully, wholeheartedly obedient to God—in marrying Mary, in naming Jesus, in shepherding the precious pair to Egypt, in bringing them to Nazareth, in the undetermined number of years of quiet faith and courage.

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Saint Salvator of Horta

A reputation for holiness does have some drawbacks. Public recognition can be a nuisance at times—as the confreres of Salvator found out.

Salvator was born during Spain’s Golden Age. Art, politics, and wealth were flourishing. So was religion. Ignatius of Loyola founded the Society of Jesus in 1540.

Salvator’s parents were poor. At the age of 21, he entered the Franciscans as a brother and was soon known for his asceticism, humility, and simplicity. As cook, porter, and later the official beggar for the friars in Tortosa, he became well known for his charity. He healed the sick with the Sign of the Cross. When crowds of sick people began coming to the friary to see Salvator, the friars transferred him to Horta. Again, the sick flocked to ask his intercession; one person estimated that 2,000 people a week came to see Salvator. He told them to examine their consciences, go to confession, and to receive Holy Communion worthily. He refused to pray for those who would not receive those sacraments.

The public attention given to Salvator was relentless. The crowds would sometimes tear off pieces of his habit as relics. Two years before his death, Salvator was moved again, this time to Cagliari on the island of Sardinia. He died at Cagliari saying, “Into your hands, O Lord, I commend my spirit.” He was canonized in 1938.

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Saint Cyril of Jerusalem

The crises that the Church faces today may seem minor when compared with the threat posed by the Arian heresy, which denied the divinity of Christ and almost overcame Christianity in the fourth century. Cyril was to be caught up in the controversy, accused of Arianism by Saint Jerome, and ultimately vindicated both by the men of his own time and by being declared a Doctor of the Church in 1822.

Raised in Jerusalem and well-educated, especially in the Scriptures, he was ordained a priest by the bishop of Jerusalem and given the task during Lent of catechizing those preparing for Baptism and catechizing the newly baptized during the Easter season. His Catecheses remain valuable as examples of the ritual and theology of the Church in the mid-fourth century.

There are conflicting reports about the circumstances of his becoming bishop of Jerusalem. It is certain that he was validly consecrated by bishops of the province. Since one of them was an Arian, Acacius, it may have been expected that his “cooperation” would follow. Conflict soon rose between Cyril and Acacius, bishop of the rival nearby see of Caesarea. Cyril was summoned to a council, accused of insubordination and of selling Church property to relieve the poor. Probably, however, a theological difference was also involved. He was condemned, driven from Jerusalem, and later vindicated, not without some association with and help from Semi-Arians. Half his episcopate was spent in exile; his first experience was repeated twice. He finally returned to find Jerusalem torn with heresy, schism and strife, and wracked with crime. Even Saint Gregory of Nyssa, who was sent to help, left in despair.

They both went to the Council of Constantinople, where the amended form of the Nicene Creed was promulgated in 381. Cyril accepted the word consubstantial—that is, Christ is of the same substance or nature as the Father. Some said it was an act of repentance, but the bishops of the Council praised him as a champion of orthodoxy against the Arians. Though not friendly with the greatest defender of orthodoxy against the Arians, Cyril may be counted among those whom Athanasius called “brothers, who mean what we mean, and differ only about the word consubstantial.”

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Saint Clement Mary Hofbauer

Clement might be called the second founder of the Redemptorists, as it was he who carried the congregation of Saint Alphonsus Liguori to the people north of the Alps.

John, the name given him at Baptism, was born in Moravia into a poor family, the ninth of 12 children. Although he longed to be a priest, there was no money for studies, and he was apprenticed to a baker. But God guided the young man’s fortunes. He found work in the bakery of a monastery where he was allowed to attend classes in its Latin school. After the abbot there died, John tried the life of a hermit, but when Emperor Joseph II abolished hermitages, John again returned to Vienna and to baking.

One day after serving Mass at the Cathedral of St. Stephen, he called a carriage for two ladies waiting there in the rain. In their conversation they learned that he could not pursue his priestly studies because of a lack of funds. They generously offered to support both John and his friend Thaddeus, in their seminary studies. The two went to Rome, where they were drawn to Saint Alphonsus’ vision of religious life and to the Redemptorists. The two young men were ordained together in 1785.

Newly professed at age 34, Clement Mary, as he was now called, and Thaddeus were sent back to Vienna. But the religious difficulties there caused them to leave and continue north to Warsaw, Poland. There they encountered numerous German-speaking Catholics who had been left priestless by the suppression of the Jesuits. At first they had to live in great poverty and preach outdoor sermons. Eventually they were given the church of St. Benno, and for the next nine years they preached five sermons a day, two in German and three in Polish, converting many to the faith. They were active in social work among the poor, founding an orphanage and then a school for boys.

Drawing candidates to the congregation, they were able to send missionaries to Poland, Germany, and Switzerland. All of these foundations eventually had to be abandoned because of the political and religious tensions of the times. After 20 years of difficult work, Clement Mary himself was imprisoned and expelled from the country. Only after another arrest was he able to reach Vienna, where he was to live and work the final 12 years of his life. He quickly became “the apostle of Vienna,” hearing the confessions of the rich and the poor, visiting the sick, acting as a counselor to the powerful, sharing his holiness with all in the city. His crowning work was the establishment of a Catholic college in his beloved city.

Persecution followed Clement Mary, and there were those in authority who were able for a while to stop him from preaching. An attempt was made at the highest levels to have him banished. But his holiness and fame protected him and prompted the growth of the Redemptorists. Due to his efforts, the congregation was firmly established north of the Alps by the time of his death in 1820.

Clement Mary Hofbauer was canonized in 1909. His Liturgical Feast Day is March 15.

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Saint Louise de Marillac

Born near Meux, France, Louise lost her mother when she was still a child, her beloved father when she was but 15. Her desire to become a nun was discouraged by her confessor, and a marriage was arranged. One son was born of this union. But Louise soon found herself nursing her beloved husband through a long illness that finally led to his death.

Louise was fortunate to have a wise and sympathetic counselor, Francis de Sales, and then his friend, the bishop of Belley, France. Both of these men were available to her only periodically. But from an interior illumination she understood that she was to undertake a great work under the guidance of another person she had not yet met. This was the holy priest Monsieur Vincent, later to be known as Saint Vincent de Paul.

At first, he was reluctant to be her confessor, busy as he was with his “Confraternities of Charity.” Members were aristocratic ladies of charity who were helping him nurse the poor and look after neglected children, a real need of the day. But the ladies were busy with many of their own concerns and duties. His work needed many more helpers, especially ones who were peasants themselves and therefore, close to the poor and able to win their hearts. He also needed someone who could teach them and organize them.

Only over a long period of time, as Vincent de Paul became more acquainted with Louise, did he come to realize that she was the answer to his prayers. She was intelligent, self-effacing, and had physical strength and endurance that belied her continuing feeble health. The missions he sent her on eventually led to four simple young women joining her. Her rented home in Paris became the training center for those accepted for the service of the sick and poor. Growth was rapid and soon there was the need for a so-called “rule of life,” which Louise herself, under the guidance of Vincent, drew up for the Daughters of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul.

Monsieur Vincent had always been slow and prudent in his dealings with Louise and the new group. He said that he had never had any idea of starting a new community, that it was God who did everything. “Your convent,” he said, “will be the house of the sick; your cell, a hired room; your chapel, the parish church; your cloister, the streets of the city or the wards of the hospital.” Their dress was to be that of the peasant women. It was not until years later that Vincent de Paul would finally permit four of the women to take annual vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. It was still more years before the company would be formally approved by Rome and placed under the direction of Vincent’s own congregation of priests.

Many of the young women were illiterate. Still it was with reluctance that the new community undertook the care of neglected children. Louise was busy helping wherever needed despite her poor health. She traveled throughout France, establishing her community members in hospitals, orphanages and other institutions. At her death on March 15, 1660, the congregation had more than 40 houses in France. Six months later Vincent de Paul followed her in death.

Louise de Marillac was canonized in 1934 and declared patroness of social workers in 1960.

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Saint Maximilian

We have an early, almost unembellished account of the martyrdom of Saint Maximilian in modern-day Algeria.

Brought before the proconsul Dion, Maximilian refused enlistment in the Roman army saying, “I cannot serve, I cannot do evil. I am a Christian.”

Dion replied: “You must serve or die.”

Maximilian: “I will never serve. You can cut off my head, but I will not be a soldier of this world, for I am a soldier of Christ. My army is the army of God, and I cannot fight for this world. I tell you I am a Christian.”

Dion: “There are Christian soldiers serving our rulers Diocletian and Maximian, Constantius and Galerius.”

Maximilian: “That is their business. I also am a Christian, and I cannot serve.”

Dion: “But what harm do soldiers do?”

Maximilian: “You know well enough.”

Dion: “If you will not do your service I shall condemn you to death for contempt of the army.”

Maximilian: “I shall not die. If I go from this earth, my soul will live with Christ my Lord.”

Maximilian was 21 years old when he gladly offered his life to God. His father went home from the execution site joyful, thanking God that he had been able to offer heaven such a gift.

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Saint Leander of Seville

The next time you recite the Nicene Creed at Mass, think of today’s saint. For it was Leander of Seville who, as bishop, introduced the practice in the sixth century. He saw it as a way to help reinforce the faith of his people and as an antidote against the heresy of Arianism, which denied the divinity of Christ. By the end of his life, Leander had helped Christianity flourish in Spain at a time of political and religious upheaval.

Leander’s own family was heavily influenced by Arianism, but he himself grew up to be a fervent Christian. He entered a monastery as a young man and spent three years in prayer and study. At the end of that tranquil period he was made a bishop. For the rest of his life he worked strenuously to fight against heresy. The death of the anti-Christian king in 586 helped Leander’s cause. He and the new king worked hand in hand to restore orthodoxy and a renewed sense of morality. Leander succeeded in persuading many Arian bishops to change their loyalties.

Leander died around 600. In Spain, he is honored as a Doctor of the Church.

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Saint Dominic Savio

So many holy persons seem to die young. Among them was Dominic Savio, the patron of choirboys.

Born into a peasant family at Riva, Italy, young Dominic joined Saint John Bosco as a student at the Oratory in Turin at the age of 12. He impressed Don Bosco with his desire to be a priest and to help him in his work with neglected boys. A peacemaker and an organizer, young Dominic founded a group he called the Company of the Immaculate Conception which, besides being devotional, aided John Bosco with the boys and with manual work. All the members save one, Dominic, would, in 1859, join Don Bosco in the beginnings of his Salesian congregation. By that time, Dominic had been called home to heaven.

As a youth, Dominic spent hours rapt in prayer. His raptures he called “my distractions.” Even in play, he said that at times, “It seems heaven is opening just above me. I am afraid I may say or do something that will make the other boys laugh.” Dominic would say, “I can’t do big things. But I want all I do, even the smallest thing, to be for the greater glory of God.”

Dominic’s health, always frail, led to lung problems and he was sent home to recuperate. As was the custom of the day, he was bled in the thought that this would help, but it only worsened his condition. He died on March 9, 1857, after receiving the Last Sacraments. Saint John Bosco himself wrote the account of his life.

Some thought that Dominic was too young to be considered a saint. Saint Pius X declared that just the opposite was true, and went ahead with his cause. Dominic was canonized in 1954. His Liturgical Feast Day is October 9.

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Blessed Angela Salawa

Angela served Christ and Christ’s little ones with all her strength.

Born in Siepraw, near Kraków, Poland, she was the 11th child of Bartlomiej and Ewa Salawa. In 1897, she moved to Kraków where her older sister Therese lived. Angela immediately began to gather together and instruct young women domestic workers. During World War I, she helped prisoners of war without regard for their nationality or religion. The writings of Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross were a great comfort to her.

Angela gave great service in caring for soldiers wounded in World War I. After 1918, her health did not permit her to exercise her customary apostolate. Addressing herself to Christ, she wrote in her diary, “I want you to be adored as much as you were destroyed.” In another place, she wrote, “Lord, I live by your will. I shall die when you desire; save me because you can.”

At her 1991 beatification in Kraków, Pope John Paul II said: “It is in this city that she worked, that she suffered and that her holiness came to maturity. While connected to the spirituality of Saint Francis, she showed an extraordinary responsiveness to the action of the Holy Spirit” (L’Osservatore Romano, volume 34, number 4, 1991).

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Saint Frances Of Rome

Frances’ life combines aspects of secular and religious life. A devoted and loving wife, she longed for a lifestyle of prayer and service, so she organized a group of women to minister to the needs of Rome’s poor.

Born of wealthy parents, Frances found herself attracted to the religious life during her youth. But her parents objected and a young nobleman was selected to be her husband.

As she became acquainted with her new relatives, Frances soon discovered that the wife of her husband’s brother also wished to live a life of service and prayer. So the two, Frances and Vannozza, set out together—with their husbands’ blessings—to help the poor.

Frances fell ill for a time, but this apparently only deepened her commitment to the suffering people she met. The years passed, and Frances gave birth to two sons and a daughter. With the new responsibilities of family life, the young mother turned her attention more to the needs of her own household.

The family flourished under Frances’ care, but within a few years a great plague began to sweep across Italy. It struck Rome with devastating cruelty and left Frances’ second son dead. In an effort to help alleviate some of the suffering, Frances used all her money and sold her possessions to buy whatever the sick might possibly need. When all the resources had been exhausted, Frances and Vannozza went door to door begging. Later, Frances’ daughter died, and the saint opened a section of her house as a hospital.

Frances became more and more convinced that this way of life was so necessary for the world, and it was not long before she requested and was given permission to found a society of women bound by no vows. They simply offered themselves to God and to the service of the poor. Once the society was established, Frances chose not to live at the community residence, but rather at home with her husband. She did this for seven years, until her husband passed away, and then came to live the remainder of her life with the society—serving the poorest of the poor.

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Ridding Demons

Are there any books or literature that could teach me how to rid demons or possessions? I'm not talking about the kind of demons of "fapping too much" or "being a drunkard" but actual demons like seen in the Exorcist

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Saint John of God

Having given up active Christian belief while a soldier, John was 40 before the depth of his sinfulness began to dawn on him. He decided to give the rest of his life to God’s service, and headed at once for Africa where he hoped to free captive Christians and, possibly, be martyred.

He was soon advised that his desire for martyrdom was not spiritually well based, and returned to Spain and the relatively prosaic activity of a religious goods store. Yet he was still not settled. Moved initially by a sermon of Saint John of Avila, he one day engaged in a public beating of himself, begging mercy and wildly repenting for his past life.

Committed to a mental hospital for these actions, John was visited by Saint John, who advised him to be more actively involved in tending to the needs of others rather than in enduring personal hardships. John gained peace of heart, and shortly after left the hospital to begin work among the poor.

He established a house where he wisely tended to the needs of the sick poor, at first doing his own begging. But, excited by the saint’s great work and inspired by his devotion, many people began to back him up with money and provisions. Among them were the archbishop and marquis of Tarifa.

Behind John’s outward acts of total concern and love for Christ’s sick poor was a deep interior prayer life which was reflected in his spirit of humility. These qualities attracted helpers who, 20 years after John’s death, formed the Brothers Hospitallers, now a worldwide religious order.

John became ill after 10 years of service, but tried to disguise his ill health. He began to put the hospital’s administrative work into order and appointed a leader for his helpers. He died under the care of a spiritual friend and admirer, Lady Ana Ossorio.

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Saints Perpetua and Felicity

“When my father in his affection for me was trying to turn me from my purpose by arguments and thus weaken my faith, I said to him, ‘Do you see this vessel—waterpot or whatever it may be? Can it be called by any other name than what it is?’ ‘No,’ he replied. ‘So also I cannot call myself by any other name than what I am—a Christian.’”

So writes Perpetua: young, beautiful, well-educated, a noblewoman of Carthage in North Africa, mother of an infant son and chronicler of the persecution of the Christians by Emperor Septimius Severus.

Perpetua’s mother was a Christian and her father a pagan. He continually pleaded with her to deny her faith. She refused and was imprisoned at 22.

In her diary, Perpetua describes her period of captivity: “What a day of horror! Terrible heat, owing to the crowds! Rough treatment by the soldiers! To crown all, I was tormented with anxiety for my baby…. Such anxieties I suffered for many days, but I obtained leave for my baby to remain in the prison with me, and being relieved of my trouble and anxiety for him, I at once recovered my health, and my prison became a palace to me and I would rather have been there than anywhere else.”

Despite threats of persecution and death, Perpetua, Felicity–a slavewoman and expectant mother–and three companions, Revocatus, Secundulus and Saturninus, refused to renounce their Christian faith. For their unwillingness, all were sent to the public games in the amphitheater. There Perpetua and Felicity were beheaded, and the others killed by beasts.

Felicity gave birth to a girl a few days before the games commenced.

Perpetua’s record of her trial and imprisonment ends the day before the games. “Of what was done in the games themselves, let him write who will.” The diary was finished by an eyewitness.

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Saint Mary Ann of Jesus of Paredes

Mary Ann grew close to God and his people during her short life.

The youngest of eight, Mary Ann was born in Quito, Ecuador, which had been brought under Spanish control in 1534. She joined the Secular Franciscans and led a life of prayer and penance at home, leaving her parents’ house only to go to church and to perform some work of charity. She established in Quito a clinic and a school for Africans and indigenous Americans. When a plague broke out, she nursed the sick and died shortly thereafter.

She was canonized by Pope Pius XII in 1950.

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Guys

I really, really, really like this image.

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Knights of Columbus Courses

If anyone's looking for something to do for Lent, the Knights of Columbus offers two free courses based on Scripture and the Catechism. Yes, you will have to sign up, but you don't have to be a member of the KoC. Join me!

Luke Hart Course:

https://www.kofc.org/un/en/cis/luke-hart-course.html

Faith Formation Couse:

https://www.kofc.org/uns/en/cis/faith-formation-course.html

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Unitarian Church

Are there any active unitarian churches in the united states, besides Jehovah's Witnesses? I hold pretty standard traditionally protestant views, except I do not believe in the triune nature of God. I am a unitarian. The only one I really could find is the Unitarian Universalist, and they, from what I can tell, aren't even Christians. They seem to be a gathering of VERY socially and theologically liberal people who believe that all religious traditions are true. I do not believe this. I'm simply looking for a traditional / conservative Christian church that holds to unitarianism.

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Atheism causes low fertility

Study: Atheism found to be the cause of low fertility rates in western nations

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513818300278

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The people shall inherit the earth.

I consider myself a Christian Communist. My friend, my comrade, Jesus – he is calling together a people, shaping them even now in their shared pain, that they might birth something new. I like to think of these people of Jesus as doulas of the apocalypse: they are loving a new world into being. Present to the struggles of the people. Grounding the violent pangs of birth in mercy and through faith. Doing what needs to be done to survive. And to prosper. Personally, I suppose I would be a "Christian Capitalist." The church should be Communist, supporting the national structure of Communism as well. One of the hugely compromising factors of Communism is the fallibility of man. If it were to be established on Earth, Christ would be the only successful dictator. If the power were given to anyone else it would be a shadow of what it ought to achieve and anyone claiming to be the dictator for Christ is dangerous at the onset. The church operated this way within the Roman government, called to live this way in community, looking out for each other. This is an appropriate attention to give to the church body, but I do not believe it ought to be extended to a larger scale in earthly governments. If you are stating that these principles should be applied within the church exclusively, I think a less dire tone would be appropriate. As for those who were “anointed” – these prosperity teachers – they told us about the “end-times wealth transfer.” In the last days, the wealth of the wicked would be supernaturally transferred to the righteous. I think I still believe that. Those forced into meekness – the subjugated – they will inherit the earth. The deception of private property will be destroyed. Let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream. You paint with broad strokes describing the other perspectives of Christians in conveying your dedication to the "true" meaning. I respect your conviction and understand it may be due to brevity. Your thoughts would be more palatable if they started on a platform of shared understanding. According to the Trinitarian doctrine of Christianity, God is three, and of course, the Kingdom of Israel obviously wasn't Communist. But regardless, Jesus' ideological views are certainly different than the religious views. He believed in egalitarianism—I think we can all agree on that—but his ideological views on earth were different than how it would be in 'heaven.' The communist states themselves certainly refer to themselves as states run by the working class. Communism is a proletarian dictatorship, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Of course the class boundaries are absolutely destroyed and yet the workers take control, perhaps eventually the term "workers" becomes obsolete of course, yet to date no country has managed to achieve this, nor do many communist societies try. Communism focuses on the casting off of chains of the oppressed classes, certainly it would not want an abused people-group, after removing their chains, to lose their identity as that people-group. Once upon a time, most of humanity lived in a condition of scarcity. There was a lot of work to do, and unless you were disabled, you could do it. When a farm needs work done, it needs to be done. In hunter-gatherer societies, one can usually step away from the campfire and look for food. There is work to be done, it is not fair, for someone who can work, in such societies, to not work. This has been true for virtually all of human history, but it stopped being true some time during the industrial revolution. We’ve always been able to do more damage than the work was worth, but the industrial revolution increased that potential by some orders of magnitude. Right now, probably about a third of all the work done in the world is harmful. We would be better off if it wasn’t done–most of the carbon extraction industry, most of the airline industry, practically all of what amounts to deciding who owns what, is harmful, because it involves people using carbon to go places and do things that really don’t need to be done. We work like dogs at jobs that either don’t need to be done, or are harmful, and thus can’t care for our children, so we hire strangers to care for our children. We fly on jets we hate, after going through airport security that is dehumanizing, dumping huge amounts of carbon into the air. There’s a lot of talk about a job guarantee. And that might be great, if those jobs would be ones that added to human welfare beyond giving some people some money, but under current governments and corporations, they won’t. What we need to do is give people the food, housing, and other resources they need, and giving them a job is a roundabout way to do it. We already have excess capacity–more food than we can eat, more manufacturing than we use. Too many jobs add little or negative welfare to the world. People don’t need jobs.

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Orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant?

I was raised as a Protestant (Baptist), and I never really considered either of the other two branches. Which of the three is the most scripturally accurate? Specifically, where is the prayer to apostles rather than to Christ mentioned in the Bible? Sorry if you get this thread all the time, I don't frequent this board often, and I didn't see anything in the catalog.

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Methodism

Board owner here is a methodist. Why? Are you gay affirming?

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Blessed John of Fiesole

The patron of Christian artists was born around 1400 in a village overlooking Florence. He took up painting as a young boy and studied under the watchful eye of a local painting master. He joined the Dominicans at about age 20, taking the name Fra Giovanni. He eventually came to be known as Fra Angelico, perhaps a tribute to his own angelic qualities or maybe the devotional tone of his works.

He continued to study painting and perfect his own techniques, which included broad-brush strokes, vivid colors and generous, lifelike figures. Michelangelo once said of Fra Angelico: “One has to believe that this good monk has visited paradise and been allowed to choose his models there.” Whatever his subject matter, Fra Angelico sought to generate feelings of religious devotion in response to his paintings. Among his most famous works are the Annunciation and Descent from the Cross as well as frescoes in the monastery of San Marco in Florence.

He also served in leadership positions within the Dominican Order. At one point, Pope Eugenius approached him about serving as archbishop of Florence. Fra Angelico declined, preferring a simpler life. He died in 1455.

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The Catholic Church & Corruption

I'm looking for some proof on any recent corruption within the Catholic church, preferably the past 100 years - older accounts work but might not be as relevant to people today in the ministry.

I often hear people say things like,

>"The pope is corrupting the catholic church."

What are some recent examples which have been proven 100% true and are not shrouded by mystery and myth?

Please note your sources as this topic tends to have a lot of false information surrounding it.

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Archeologists: Sodom and Gomorrah literally destroyed by fire and brimstone falling from the sky

Archeologists: Sodom and Gomorrah literally destroyed by fire and brimstone falling from the sky

>A group of archeologists and other scientists say they have discovered strong evidence that the region of the “Middle Ghor,” where the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are believed to have existed, were in fact destroyed by a meteor that exploded in the sky above, raining down superheated matter and raising temperatures to thousands of degrees, a theory that matches the account of the cities’ destruction contained in the Old Testament Book of Genesis.

>According to the theory, the meteor exploded at low altitude with the force of a ten megaton atomic bomb at an altitude of about one kilometer over the northeast corner of the Dead Sea, and obliterated all of civilization in the 25-kilometer-wide circular plain that constitutes the “Middle Ghor.”

>The researchers presented preliminary findings on the subject at this year’s annual meeting of the American Schools of Oriental Research in November, and have been developing the theory since at least 2015. They state that the evidence from radiocarbon dating indicates that a group of civilizations flourished in the area for over two millennia, until approximately 1700 BC, when the mud-brick walls of the buildings in the region simultaneously disappeared and only the stone foundations remained.

>At the same time, the pottery in the settlements was heated into glass in the space of milliseconds, according to the results of an analysis of the Zircon crystals formed in the process, indicating that they were briefly exposed to temperatures of approximately 4000 to 12000 degrees Celsius, comparable to the temperature of the surface of the sun.

>The explosion rained down platinum as well as molten lava on the region, according to two of the archeologists, and this further confirms that a meteor was the source, given that platinum is found in higher concentrations in meteors than on earth.

>Approximately 40,000 to 60,000 people living in the region were killed, and a 500-square kilometer area was rendered uninhabitable for 600 to 700 years, the researchers estimate. They believe that the area was stripped of its topsoil, and that salts from the nearby Dead Sea were spread over the land, destroying its fertility.

Rest of article at:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archeologists-sodom-and-gomorrah-literally-destroyed-by-fire-and-brimstone

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Non Church

Is this completely heretical?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-church_movement

I personally admire its philosophy.

Hard to find much english information on it.

https://www.makuya.org/founder/what-is-the-non-church-movement/

Uchimura Kanzō (内村 鑑三, March 26, 1861 – March 28, 1930) was a Japanese author, Christian evangelist, and the

founder of the Nonchurch Movement (Mukyōkai) of Christianity in the Meiji and Taishō period Japan. He is often

considered to be the most well-known Japanese pre-World War II pacifist.

Dissatisfaction with the mission church, however, led Uchimura and his Japanese supporters to establish an independent

church in Sapporo. This experiment turned out to be a precursor to what is now called the Nonchurch Movement.

Through Clark's teaching and example, this small group believed that they could practice and live an authentic

life of faith without depending on a religious institution or a professional clergy.

His writings in English include: Japan and the Japanese (1894) and How I became a Christian (1895)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uchimura_Kanz%C5%8D

The non-church movement (Japanese: 無教会主義 Hepburn: Mukyōkaishugi) is an indigenous Japanese Christian movement which

was founded by Uchimura Kanzō in 1901. The complete works of Uchimura consist of some 50 volumes: of which, 17 are

primarily biblical studies, 25 are volumes of theological works, and 8 are volumes of diaries and correspondence.

Many of his disciples have likewise been well-known intellectual figures. Today it is believed that 35,000 people

belong to the movement in Japan, Taiwan, and Korea.

They hold to no liturgy, sacraments, or ordained clergy. While most of the teachers have no formal theological

training, some have extensive background in theology and biblical studies and hold academic positions in universities

and theological schools. Bible study is performed in small, independent groups led by individual teachers, or

"sensei", and the groups often meet on a weekly basis. Each group is normally called shukai (Meeting) or

seisho shukai (Bible Meeting)

The purpose of this organization was defined in the following profession of faith:

We who believe in God and his Only Son whom he sent (into the world), uniting together, form the Kyōyukai.

With the help of God the Father we shall help our comrades and live lives that are in harmony

with His Sovereign Will.

ODDLY:

Stone Church in Karuizawa was built in commemoration of Uchimura Kanzo (1861-1930)

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/christian/ general

Post any bans, insight, or exchanges you've had with /christian/ uninspired moderation.

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Bible STUDY!!!

Bible study stream!!

We are starting in ~40ish mins

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

BO EDIT: Sticky Deserved

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Why are Christians ok with the Christ Rejecting state of Israel

Christian Zionism is the most contradicting/heretical viewpoint we see on a large scale today. If the claim states that jews do not need christ and that jews are gods chosen people how does this fit unquestionably into notable christian dialouge? Is this subversion of our faith or a massive misunderstanding by good intending christians? This question has truly baffled me.

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/fit/ Christian

Hollywood's new trendy diet comes straight from the bible. Spurred on by celebrities like Chris Pratt more people are trying the Daniel diet.

What does /christ/ think of this?

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/2/1/18207293/chris-pratt-daniel-fast-daniel-plan-bible-diets

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<i> Magick and esoterism </i>

Should i learn magick? is it sinful?

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Non traditional discussion

discuss various non traditional, but still Christian based theologies

Generally groups that have only a few followers, or aren't widely known, but aren't necessarily a cult.

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Is suicide a sin?

Is suicide a sin?

It isn't explicitly stated that it is.

Only line is thou shalt not kill

Pretty obviously it means that we shouldn't kill other humans.

But should that apply to self?

What about killing animals?

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Infertility and marriage

Searching for Catholic answers: should a man and a woman get married if both of them are already confirmed infertile (genetic diseases)?

Thank you.

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John Allen Chau died a senseless death

This missionary died because he was brainwashed by Christianity. The universe doesn't care what you believe. If there is a God he isn't your God, he doesn't care what you preach, and won't protect you even if you carry a bible to distant shores.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/03/john-chau-christian-missionary-death-sentinelese

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Christian Pharises

The holy than thou christians have left a bitter taste of our faith to the ones most needing salvation, could this trend be the downward direction of churches worldwide? Other than pure subversion, the common man holds an innate disdain for such a judgmental people. What can be done to reverse this even by a little. How do you call it out when you see it

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3rd Position

When did you realize that christianity is the third position when it comes to the middle east question. That we dont have to chose either muslim or jew.

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Subject

I feel like I am about to multiply bread and fish lmao

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Intellectual Doubts

Hi I’m recently struggling with faith on the intellectual level. Are there any resources to help me out?

My struggles:

- determinism

- do we have souls or is it just illusions of the chemical ballets in our brains?

- is reality real or just an illusion?

- can AI match or exceed human intelligence?

- Is God’s nature determined?

- Where does God come from? I can’t wrap my head around existing out of necessity.

I am Christian, but I have doubts and hope you can help.

Here is an unrelated picture because phone posting.

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christian discord

uhm a few days ago i 've had a quite nice experience praying in discord voice chat together with my friend, so i have decided to make a server dedicated to that practice

if you don't want to join that's fine ofc but you should definitely try praying with other people, it feels much less lonely that way

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What are you supposed to think while praying?

what do you guys think about when you pray the rosary? i try thinking about the meaning of the prayer, am i right?

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Gnostics

Since the majority of their contribution is "lol u stoopid", should we just get rid of them and send them back to /fringe/? I've been asked to do it, but I'll take general consensus. NOTE: Yes, I know people can hop IP and say whatever, but I'm not going to take board-wide (1)s very seriously. Discuss it, but remember to give a Yes or No clearly.

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logoSSquad

>yfw the edomite,pharisee, hikel, sabbattean kellog frankist cut our foreskins so they could lure us into pornography, and attempt to sabotage us from grace

>your foreskin is obviously worth a hefty price, but did you know its literal function is to not only sheath the penis, but prevent our bladder from squeezing out yolyfejuice, and pae-pae, because of foreskin, but also SHLIIIIIIIIIDING with fucking dick skin

>edomites not only want you to hate sex, but they want your penis to bring you shame when you feel like not partaking in the atrocities of the [nose]

LOGOSSQDS when?

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Oldest Nun dies at 110

Polish nun who helped hide Jewish children from Nazis dies aged 110

A Polish nun who risked her life by hiding Jews from the Nazis during the Second World War has died aged aged 110, the archdiocese of Krakow in Poland has announced.

Sister Cecylia Roszak, who was believed to have been the oldest nun in the world, died last week in the Dominican convent in the city of Krakow, southern Poland, where she had lived for nearly 90 years.

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At square 0

Was Mormon my whole life, finally realized it's bullshit. Wat do?

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Prayer Cards

Who else collect Catholic the Gathering cards?

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-

So…

You speak of the bible and Christian things here, in a serious way ???

That is … unexpected.

Well, I would like to ask seriously (it's not a joke or something ironic)

Why do you believe in God? Why do you participate in these types of activities?

At first I knew how to participate in things related to Christianity but I never felt that I really should do it, or be part of the whole thing.

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Baptist and early Christian IN CONTRADICTION

Baptists: No repentance, just belief on Christ for one second and you are forever saved.

Early 2nd cent Christians:

2 Clement 16.1– 4

Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have received no small opportunity to repent, while we have time, let us turn to the God who has called us— that is, while we still have one who receives us. 2For if we renounce these pleasures and conquer our soul by refusing to do its evil desires, we will share in the mercy of Jesus. 3But you know that “the day” of judgment is already coming like a “blazing oven,” and “some of the heavens will be melted,” and the whole earth will be like lead being melted in a fire, and then both the hidden and public works of people will become visible. 4Therefore, merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is good as repentance for sin. Fasting is better than prayer, but merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is better than both, and “love covers a multitude of sins.” Prayer from a good conscience delivers from death. Blessed is everyone who is found full of these things, for merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) lightens the burden of sin.

Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have received no small opportunity to repent, while we have time, let us turn to the God who has called us— that is, while we still have one who receives us. 2For if we renounce these pleasures and conquer our soul by refusing to do its evil desires, we will share in the mercy of Jesus. 3But you know that “the day” of judgment is already coming like a “blazing oven,” and “some of the heavens will be melted,” and the whole earth will be like lead being melted in a fire, and then both the hidden and public works of people will become visible. 4Therefore, merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is good as repentance for sin. Fasting is better than prayer, but merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is better than both, and “love covers a multitude of sins.” Prayer from a good conscience delivers from death. Blessed is everyone who is found full of these things, for merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) lightens the burden of sin.

1Clement 49.2-6

Who is able to describe the bond of God’s love? 3Who is in a position to declare the greatness of its beauty? 4The height to which love leads is indescribable. 5Love binds us to God. Love covers a multitude of sins. Love bears all things. Love is patient in all things. There is nothing vulgar in love, nothing proud. Love has no schism; love does not cause division; love does all things in harmony. Everyone chosen by God has been made perfect in love; without love nothing is pleasing to God. 6In love has the Master received us. On account of the love he had for us, our Lord Jesus Christ gave his blood for us by God’s will— his flesh for our flesh and his life for our life.

Clement of Alexandria:

T herefore, the noble and holy manner of our philanthropy, according to Clement [i.e., the author of 1 Clement], seeks the common good, either by martyrdom or by teaching in deed and word, the latter of which is twofold, unwritten and written. This is love: to love God and to love neighbor. This leads to indescribable heights (cf. 1 Clem. 49.4). Love covers a multitude of sins (1 Pet 4:8). Love bears all things. Love is patient in all things. Love joins us to God. Love does all things in harmony. Everyone chosen by God has been made perfect in love. Without love nothing is pleasing to God. There is no explanation of the perfection of love, it is said. Who is worthy to be found in it, except the one whom God considers worthy (1 Clem. 50.1– 2)? Take, for example, the apostle Paul. “If I give my body,” he says, “but do not have love, I am

a noisy gong or a clanging symbol.” If it is not from an elective disposition, by gnostic love, that I testify, Paul says, but by fear; and if, then, by anticipated reward I rattle my lips to testify to the Lord that I confess the Lord, then I am an ordinary man, ringing out the Lord’s name, but not knowing him. For there is indeed a people that loves with the lips, and there is another that hands over the body to be burned (cf. Isa 29:13). “And if I give away all my possessions,” he says, not according to the principle of affectionate fellowship, but according to the principle of recompense, either from the person who received the benefaction or from the Lord who has promised, “and if I have all faith so as to move mountains,” and repel shadowy passions, and if I am not faithful to the Lord on account of love, “I am nothing,” as one reckoned with and no different from the multitude, especially in comparison with the one who testifies as a gnostic. (Strom. 4.18.111–12)

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the year in review

How was your walk with Christ this past year? Did you do anything to grow in faith?

For me, this year has been a lot of backsliding, I've been less consistent in reading scripture and prayer and less able to control habitual sin like fapping. Please pray for me to our father in heaven that I can be more faithful in the coming year.

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Why do Christians hate Anime?

https://youtu.be/dfnhbpqtmZ8

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Thoughts on Tulpa's

Got banned from /Christian/ for making a thread about this.

Anyways I'm very interested in it for two reasons, because if it is safe then:

1. It could be (only a short-term answer) for the legions of young men who struggle to find a good women.

2. It'll be great for people like me who either don't have any friends, or do have friends but can only talk about so much with them, feeling the same void of loneliness the person who has no friends at all.

pic unrelated

archive of the thread that got me banned

http://archive.is/glbyz

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Visions of the Garden

Am I the only one who sees a perfect world in the future?

I see an earth in which I want for nothing because it is all provided by God.

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Canaanite pagan/JEDP theory

I heard this theory (being posted as fact) that the Hebrew names for God in the Old Testament (El, Elohim, YHWH) and the names of the false idols worshipped by the Israelites (Baal, Hadad, Astarte) actually represent an ancient semitic pantheon of pagan gods, and that later certain gods were merged into the one God and others were decried as demons. This ties into another theory that the books of Moses were written by multiple people and later compiled together into one book. Are there any good debunkings of this? What does /christian/ think of this?

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Allahu Akbar

ALL GETS BELONG TO ALLAH

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Jesus loves you, anon.

Pic related.

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Russian Patriarch

Thoughts, especially from Orthodox brothers? What passages are he taking notes from?

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-patriarch-warns-antichrist-will-control-humans-through-gadgets-64060

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What did Jesus look like?

what did Jesus look like:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35120965

BBC article says likely short hair, scruffy bread in a tunc and leather sandals

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BE AN UPSTANDING CITIZEN

God wants to work through us.

When we say no to God, we don't allow Him to work through us, to make life better for everyone we touch. Even in the little things.

Every time you find yourself arguing, "why do I need to worry about being lazy, underachieving, jerking off too much, et cetera," ask yourself what God would probably have had you do INSTEAD.

>Pushy old boomer bullies Pastor to talk more about refugees… who stands up to reassure him to hold his ground?

>Lesbian librarian who watches too much cable wants to get b r a v e "trans" teens to speak at a young adult event! Does anyone object?

>Your old pals are struggle with sin and vice; everyone they see indulges and laughs it off like it's no big thing. Is there anyone in their lives who is committed to the holy struggle? Will they give in because they sincerely believe resistance is hopeless?

In this picture above we have three Dale Coopers. One of them is a hard-working, selfless, morally upright public servant. One is a devious, selfish monster who spreads sorrow and misery for laughs. One of them is a blundering autist.

Evil Coop, on the left, stands athwart God, and whatever good God will do He will do despite Evil Coop's efforts. One day God will smite him, but until then, he spreads suffering like a flower spews pollen.

"Dougie Jones" Coop, on the right, drifts through life without guile and without purpose. God makes use of him still, and the good people he encounters benefit in ways they scarcely understand. The world around them is still corrupt, still dangerous, but for the people around him, there is love and comfort.

Now we get to Agent Dale Cooper, in the center. Agent Dale Cooper works actively to confront evil and defend virtue, and uphold the just laws of his country. He not only performs acts that are pleasing to God, but by doing so of his own willpower, he inspires the good men and women of Twin Peaks to continue the good fight themselves, directly and indirectly facilitating even bad actors to do good. Yes he has failings, but he does pay a price for them, doesn't he? Put not your faith in princes, as you already know

I'm cutting a few corners, here, but I think you'll see what I'm saying.

God will take care of us if we allow him. But as for our families, our communities, our nations?? We will have to become our best selves, the better to jump into the fray actively and bring Godliness into the public fourm.

So, in other words,

homo behavior, obesity, laziness, slovenliness, childish hobbies, and NEETism abandon our societies to Satan

God will forgive you for them, but your countrymen will pay the price

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Christian marriage

How important would you say it is to marry another Christian? How important is it to marry someone of the same denomination?

Is it better to marry a trad atheist girl rather than a cafeteria Christian who doesn't follow the teachings?

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Merry Christmas

The Birth of Jesus

Luke 2:1-20

In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria. And everyone went to their own town to register.

So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.

And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

“Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”

When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.

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Jeremiah 10

=Yearly reminder!=

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Sweden's pagan Christmas goat tradition

>Every year around the world, people put up Christmas trees to carry on an age old tradition. There will be fights over how the tree is decorated and an ongoing struggle to stop the dog or cat from knocking off the low-hanging baubles.

>But in the Swedish city of Gavle there is a much bigger battle going on — keeping a 13-metre tall, seven-metre long straw goat from being destroyed. The Gavle Goat – or Gavlebocken as it's called in Swedish – is a large scale model of the Yule Goat, a Christmas symbol dating back to ancient Pagan festivals.

>… the Gavle Goat is now recognised as the world's biggest straw goat and was first conceived in 1966 as a means of attracting tourists to Gavle in the festive season. But when it was burnt down by vandals on New Year's Eve, the simple Christmas goat took on a new status. Now almost every year vandals make an attempt to destroy the beloved goat …

> …

>Since its inception the goat has only survived 15 out of 51 years, sometimes being burnt down or destroyed more than once in a season.

>1966 — the original goat was burnt down by vandals

>1970 — the goat was burnt down six hours after construction, blamed on drunk teens

>1976 — the goat was hit by a car, which led to it collapsing

>1978 — Gavlebocken was kicked to pieces by vandals

>2001 — the goat was burnt down by a US tourist who said he wanted to be a part of the tradition

>2005 — the goat was burnt down by vandals dressed as Santa and gingerbread men, who lit the fire with burning arrows

>2009 — webcam and cameras protecting the goat were hacked, helping vandals to burn down the goat undetected

>2010 — vandals attempted to bribe a guard so they could steal the goat with a helicopter

>According to legend, Thor – who is the god of thunder in Norse lore – rode a chariot led by two goats, which he would cook and eat each night for strength. In the morning the goats would be reborn, ready to pull the chariot again.

>The short documentary, called Killing Gavle, suggests that the group believes they must burn the goat each year in order to ensure a good harvest and the return of the sun.

>According to the official website, 420,000 people visited the Gavle Goat when he was on tour in the Chinese sister city of Zhuhai in 2014, dressed in a flower coat for the spring occasion.

#commercialisedPaganism

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Get Ball

ALL GETS BELONG TO ALLAH

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Imago dei vs Calvinism

Does imago dei debunk both Calvinism ?

Calvinism bases it's theology on how any man can be saved if there is total depravity and men are born sinners and god haters. Calvinism uses election to explain this problem.

But doesn't imago dei already solve this problem. Doesn't the fact that we are made in the image of God mean that all men are at some level still inclined to seek their creator despite total depravity and the effects of original sin - even if original sin can pollute the total being - it is still polluting a being that is made in God's image and thus at some level has the inclination to seek the creator whose image he was molded in?

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Christian Discord

Christian Discord! Non-Denominational and brand spanking new!

https://discord.gg/j7JPZ5Z

Biblestudy hoster!

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WHO IS MARY?

WHO IS MARY?

all orthodox Christians: Mary is Theotokos, godbearer and Mother of God

Baptists: So you say that the Godhead has been born of Mary?

admit clearly that the Godhead has been born from the blessed Mary

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Jesus of Nazareth 1977

Jesus of Nazareth 1977

https://imdb.com/title/tt0075520/

4 day viewing starting tomorrow December 18th-22nd 5 PM CST(11 PM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

..

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Grug thread

I'm not gonna ban evade, but I made this Grug thread with Grugs for all denominations and mods deleted it.

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imago dei

What does it mean to be made in the image of God?

Does it mean God, despite being a non-physical entity still have traits like two eyes, a nose, arms etc?

Does it refer to mental attributes that we have in common with god? Maybe the ability to reason, imagine, create?

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Advent

So, how is /christ/ celebrating Advent? Are you fasting and being penitent, or will you be doing the joyous thing?

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Reminder

>>602165

Reminder that both the Platonists and the Christians BTFOd the gnostics. Gnostics don’t understand Christianity or Platonic philosophy. Platonists believe that the demiurge is good, and that he created the world because he understood that order was better than disorder. They only separated the One from the demiurge because they came from a pagan background. Christians are monotheists, so we believe the One and the demiurge are the same being, as there is only one God. Sorry man. If you wanna be a Platonic Christian, just go be Orthodox

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Chalcedonian vs Miaphysite Christianity

Any Coptic or Oriental Orthodox Christians on here who can shed light on the Chalcedonian vs Miaphysite debate?

As I understand it The Chalcedonians believe that Jesus is both fully human and fully divine and the natures exist together as one substance.

Miaphysite's on the other hand seem to believe that Jesus' human and divine natures exist together in unity as a compound nature - united but not mixing.

I understand that this distinction was a big deal in early Christianity and continues to be a big distinction within the Oriental Orthodox church. But I really don't understand the siginificance of the distinction or its implications.

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Subject

Hey admin look at the camera

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Canon Law

So what part of canon law is essential for me to read as a Lay Christian.

What edition in your opinion is most valid?

This is a serious query, please no flame.

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doubt

it sinful to have doubts? i saw this thread and it got me, i cant answer this..

>has ability to see into the future of all possible outcomes - Isaiah 46:10

>Tempts man by planting a "tree of knowledge" with the most beautiful fruit

>Can see the future and directs man's thoughts proverbs 20-24

>Knows man will use his "freewill" to eat from the tree of knowledge; basically tempting man by setting a bait, pointing it out, and telling him not to touch the bait

>Knows he will touch the bait because of (predestination) Ephesians 1:11

>Doesn't 'allow' evil. CREATES evil Isaiah 45:7

>Is (perfect) and infinite; but WANTS to be worshipped. A perfect being is already perfect and shouldn't WANT anything

>Is supposedly infinite and eternal but changes his mind (???) and has emotions like a (person) which the very meaning of person implies finitude

>Knows the outcome of EVERYTHING so is basically like watching a movie or reading a book and already knowing the ending; what's the point?

>Commands that you don't kill; sets bad example and fucking kills everything

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Christian book charts

Post /christ/ book charts

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Ever thought of becoming a Christian counselor?

https://youtu.be/OcYBOotG4xg

It's easy!

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Debate with Me

I believe in one god[Unknowable, Unreachable, Universal], this makes me a deist.

I believe he is not the creator, this makes me a gnostic.

I believe in christ, it's a metaphysical being, this makes me entitled to post here.

I will post in my thread only for a month we see the results.

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being a brainlet

>mfw cant read thomas aquinas cause too complex

what do?

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rue meaning of commonly misunderstood christian phrases.

Hey /pol/. I know that turn the other cheek is a very misunderstood phrase, that had a completly different cultural context during the time of Jesus. I know about that one, but can some knowledgable christanon post about the meanings of other commonly used christian phrases like "whoever forces you to go one mile, walk two" and "whoever sues for your shirt, give him your mantle too" or whatever that was.

I can talk about the turn the other cheek phrase.

In the middle east even today and not so long ago in Europe, using the left hand was sinful. I think this basically comes from them collectively deciding that the left hand was reserved for all of the filthy stuff you do. Toilet paper and modern sanitation didn't exist after all. So over time it turned into a commandment/superstition.

Anyway so you would just never use your left hand to slap someone. So the only hand you can use to slap someone was your right hand. Romans occupied Palestine and as a sign of submission would slap people. A backhanded slap with the right hand to humiliate them and to show that they are not equal. "A slap to the face" is still a metaphor for one of the gravest insults you can do to other people. However if you turned the other cheek (your left one) towards the Roman Soldier, a backhanded slap would turn into an openfaced slap. That was less humiliating and made you an equal to him. It's smart passive-aggressive resistance against an overwhelming force. And not mindless stupid pacifism "If you let your enemy slap you, you win".

I know the other phrases have similar meanings, but I want to know the exact ones and not just speculate.

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Islam

>(29:46) : And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

>(6:108) : And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do.

Why do Muslims never follow these verses when arguing with Christians? It's always "YOUR SCRIPTURES ARE FAKE YOU STUPID SUBHUMAN DOG! CONVERT OR DIE!"

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Saturn-worship and credibility of the Bible

I believe in the Bible, but cannot really tell what is meant to be taken literally and allegorically anymore. There is a point I have reached where I cannot tell if the Bible is the whole truth - if thoroughly analyzed - or truth mixed with lies in order to prevent the masses to see the "truth" the (((elites))) worship, which are gods of ancient Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Hellenic and Roman mythology. Four excerpts from my thoughts on this I've written down before:

1st Since Moses was born into Egyptian royalty and raised as prince, we can assume that he was very literate in Egyptian mythology; it is said that the gods of Egyptian – and other nations – mythology are basically the result of worshipping the long-living and knowledgeable descendants of Adam, but what if Moses just took some aspects of Egyptian mythology and therefore implemented it into (a new) Hebrew mythology?

2nd Cain was a peasant, knew agriculture, Osiris the god of agriculture and the realm of the dead, Saturn the god of agriculture and time, Cronus the titan of harvest while Chronos is the personification of time. Be it the Hebrews, Egyptians, Romans or Hellenics, all these nations have a common core in their mythologies. But Cain is presented as the evildoer, murdering his own brother, being marked by God and flees somewhere and builds his own city – that makes the Hebrew mythology different in that regard. Chronos on the other hand eats his own child. There is a parallel between Chronos, Baal and Remphan, gods which require human or child sacrifice. The star of Remphan is on the flag of Israel and commonly used as Islamic symbol (with the star and moon), as well as in the Catholic church. Remphan, assumed to be the Babylonian equivalent to Kayawanu (Saturn), has a perfectly shaped hexagon on its north pole and a tornado on its south pole. The hexagon might very well represent the hexagon within the “Star of David”, but it is impossible for ancient civilizations to have known that the Saturn has a hexagon, unless there were ancient substitutes for high-tech telescopes. Jewish Mysticism and Babylonian paganism are the reasons why elites worship planets that represent something; the sun and the moon, man and woman, genitals and fertility. With all this incoherent mess written: How is one supposed to make sense out of all this? It is known that Masons and Jews practice their sick Kabbalistic rituals, but why? Is it the mystic complexity of the universe that is so appealing to them?

3rd They sure as hell know a lot of what we don’t know, I mean, they have the power, resources and time to obtain immeasurable amounts of ancient knowledge and prove the validity and credibility. What I know is that the God of the Bible clearly condemns whatever they do. Is the Bible the antithesis to these sick cultic beliefs and practices, or a trick to deflect from the truth they know? I cannot wrap my head around it. How comes that the Catholic church implemented pagan traditions when Islam could just brute force their ideology? How comes that we Christians have only one holy book, which needs several anthropologic, historic, literary, mythological and linguistic sources to clearly define of what is meant and not meant, allegorical and what is literal?

4th Do you think a portion of the conspiracy theories are there just to deflect from the very evil nature certain elites inflict upon the masses? Because why would they put everything in plain sight in order for people to make these connections?

Please share your knowledge and thoughts on these matters.

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I'm sick of non-Catholics insulting the church

Here's what you need to understand about Catholicism: the laity doesn't make the doctrine, so they always make up dumb stuff like Wilgefortis or Santa Muerte. That's folk Catholicism, or what the church calls a "Catholic Cult," and they don't define Catholicism.

The clergy is corrupt and shiftless, but they also don't represent Catholicism. Judas was an apostle, and he didn't define Christ's ministry, did he? So even though a lot of the clergy is embroiled in abuse scandals, and the pope espouses liberal modernist universalism at every chance he gets, that's just the natural corruption of humans in power. It's a heresy (donatism) to believe the clergy must be blameless. The clergy is corrupt, and they don't define Catholicism.

What defines Catholicism is the dogmas, which you can read in the Catechisms. Just not the Vatican 2 ones. Those are modernist heresies, and if you take stuff like CCC 841 at face value, you're going to go wrong. Remember, that stuff was made by the corrupt clergy, and they don't define Catholicism.

Some people go to far here, and assume that we need to break away from the church because the clergy isn't even Catholic anymore. People like Sedevacantists, for example. Those guys are way off! Even though the clergy is corrupt and heretical, you can't break away from them. The Vatican still leads the church. If you're a sedevacantist, you're basically a protestant. You can't form your own church, even if you call it a Catholic church and you believe in traditional Catholic dogmas and you worship in a traditionally Catholic way and even if you trace your continuity to the Roman Catholic Church. Those guys are schismatics and they don't define Catholicism.

So what does define Catholicism? I do, and the Church Fathers (I haven't read all of them, but I know they are all in 100% agreement with both each other and with me) do, and all dogmas before Vatican II (such as the dogma of the Immaculate Conception from 1854) do. Those sources are where you can find the church as it was preached by Jesus Christ to the apostles. Current estimates say that I'm the only Catholic who's real.

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NOT ALL Christians affirm Nicene Creed

NOT ALL Christians follow the basic Nicene Creed because they deny one line of the Creed,

"We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins."

Here's why.

Look at that line, is this what Baptists, Reformed and Evangelicals think about Baptism?

No. Many of them will say "it's just a symbol" or "it's done after you are saved as a public declaration of faith". So by this plain reason alone not all Christians follow this Creed.

A Baptist might say "But that creed simply means Baptism as a SYMBOL of that forgiveness".

Well no this is not true just by virtue of looking at how some Nicene theologians view Baptism. Let's start with the champion of Nicaea, Athanasius

when baptism is given, whom the Father baptizes, him the Son baptizes; and whom the Son baptizes, he is consecrated in the Holy Ghost. And again as when the sun shines, one might say that the radiance illuminates, for the light is one and indivisible, nor can be detached, so where the Father is or is named, there plainly is the Son also; and is the Father named in Baptism? Then must the Son be named with Him.-Disclosures against the Arians, 2.18.41

The faith in the Trinity transmitted to us is the only one, and it unites us with God, and whoever takes something away from the Trinity and baptizes in the name of the Father, or in the Son alone, or into the Father and the Son without the Spirit, receives nothing, but those being baptized and he imagines himself to be giving baptism remain in vanity and unconsecrated, because the Mystery is accomplished in the name of the Trinity: so that whoever seperates the Son from the Father or reduces the Spirit to a creature has neither the Son nor the Father but is an atheist, worse than an unbeliever, and anything but a Christian. (Epistle to Serapion 1.30)

Here, two ideas of Baptism can be gleaned, first there is a Triune action by the Godhead going on and a consecration of the one Baptized to the Holy Spirit. Those who receive it are also united with God. Can Baptists claim as Athanasius does?

Of course not.

Next consider St. Basil the Great (329-379). In the tenth chapter of his De Spiritu Sancto (On the Holy Spirit) he writes:

Whence is it that we are Christians? Through our faith, would be the universal answer. And in what way are we saved? Plainly because we were regenerate through the grace given in our baptism. How else could we be? And after recognising that this salvation is established through the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, shall we fling away “that form of doctrine” (Romans 6:17) which we received? Would it not rather be ground for great groaning if we are found now further off from our salvation “than when we first believed,” and deny now what we then received? …. For if to me my baptism was the beginning of life, and that day of regeneration the first of days, it is plain that the utterance uttered in the grace of adoption was the most honourable of all. Can I then, perverted by these men’s seductive words, abandon the tradition which guided me to the light, which bestowed on me the boon of the knowledge of God, whereby I, so long a foe by reason of sin, was made a child of God? But, for myself, I pray that with this confession I may depart hence to the Lord, and them I charge to preserve the faith secure until the day of Christ, and to keep the Spirit undivided from the Father and the Son, preserving, both in the confession of faith and in the doxology, the doctrine taught them at their baptism. (Chapter 10)

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8chan van policy

I thought permabans only lasted 90 days, but I was permabanned on /christian/ for something I didn’t even do, I wasn’t ban evading, they banned me by mistake 107 days ago and it’s still active. What gives? Anybody got a link to the 8chan ban policy?

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Christian Memes

Christian memes thread?

Christian memes thread!

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New Rosary

Got a new Rosary today from the Shrine of St. Dymphna. Any other anons out there want to show their stuff? Also, general Rosary thread.

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Galatians DESTROYS Steven Anderson and OSAS

1)What is Once Saved Always Saved?

Once Saved Always Saved, or OSAS is the view of some Protestants, usually Baptists, that once someone confesses Christ as Lord and Saviour, there is nothing that person can do to lose his salvation. In fact as the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist pastor Steven Anderson states in his sermon on OSAS, even if you try to sin and disbelieve, you are still saved. This possibility is also acknowledged in his sermon “Shall we continue in Sin” where he states that:

 

“Now here's  the  thing,  If  I  don't  talk  to  my  wife  and  my  wife  doesn't  talk  to  me  we  are  not  going  to  have  a  good  relationship. But  are  we  still  married?  Yes    we  are,  see  what  I  mean?  So  if  I  don't  talk  to  God  through  prayer  and  He  doesn't  talk  to  me through  his  work,  we're  not  going  to  have  a  good  relationship  (though  I'm  still  saved).”

 

Notice that if one doesnt pray to God after one is saved, then he is still considered saved, although he wont have a “good relationship” with God. It means clearly this person isnt going to suffer Hell for this and other intentionally sinful actions.

 

Of course unfortunately for OSAS believers, Scripture proves them wrong and here we will look at Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians to see why such is the case.

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Choose your Sola Fide

Luther:

1)Christ said whosoever is Baptized is Saved

2)I am Baptised

3)Christ cannot lie

Therefore I am saved

Calvin, Evangelical, Baptist

1)To be Save I must believe on Christ

2)I believe

3)Given 2) I know I believe

Therefore I am Saved

http://www.ctsfw.net/media/pdfs/carysolafide.pdf

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The essential books of the Bible.

I have a few atheist friends who have tried to read the Bible but they get slogged down with seeming meandering of some of the books. I would love to have intelligent conversation with these people about my religion, but they haven't read the source material. I need a list of essential books to get them into it.

TL;DR - Post your favorite books of the Bible in list form.

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Why do Baptists hate church fathers?

Everytime I bring up the early church fathers you guys always without fail say they are useless.

Why?

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the necessity of Christ's sacrifice

Was Jesus' sacrifice on the cross necessary to redeem sins because his was sinless or because he was divine? What I'm asking is, if there had been another sinless person on earth, could they have been sacrificed in Jesus' place to redeem the sins of mankind? Or was there something special about original sin that required the blood of the deity himself to redeem us?

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Nofap Thread

Nofap Thread.

Tips and inspiration for nofap

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filioque

In Catholicism the holy spirit proceeds from both the father and the son. On orthodox theology the holy spirit proceeds only from the father. Let's evaluate this in the context of what we all agree about the trinity.

We know that the son is begotten of the father and the father is eternally begetting in the son. So what does that mean, the father is begetting the son?

The word beget sounds like giving birth to, and the words father and son also sounds like giving birth to. But we know it's not a literal birth because births are one time events. In this context the father is eternally begetting the son, as in in the beginning of time the father is begetting the son, at the end of time, the father will be begetting the son, before all of creation for all eternity the father was begetting the son.

I think the following is an accurate description of the way the father begets the son. Sort of like how a stone leaves an imprint on the ground, god the father leaves an impression of himself in reality. But unlike an imperfect object leaving an imperfect impression, God the father leaves a perfect impression that is also God. And he is always leaving that imprint from the beginning of time to the end.

Now let's look at the holy spirit, if the holy spirit is just an emanation of the father, wouldn't he just be another son? Wouldn't he just be another impression of the father? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that God has two sons.

This view of course is inconsistent with basic holy scripture and generally accepted church teachings. However it is the view that we are left with if we believe that the holy spirit emanates from the father alone.

Instead a more accurate view is that the holy spirit is the love between the father and son. And since God is love, the two beings father and son united in perfect love give rise to the third person of the trinity who is the love between the father and son.

or as Augustine put it

>“And the Holy Spirit, according to the Holy Scriptures, is neither of the Father alone, nor of the Son alone, but of both; and so intimates to us a mutual love, wherewith the Father and the Son reciprocally love one another"

tl;dr Orthodoxy was a mistake

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parable of the unclean spirits

Jesus' parable of the unclean spirit has always given me trouble. It Goes like this:

> When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

> Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

>Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

- Matthew 12:43-45 (also found in Luke 11:24-26)

My issues with this passage

1. What is the waterless places? Does this mean that the wilderness and desserts are filled with unclean spirits? Can you catch unclean spirits from hiking?

2. With what Jesus said, how are we supposed to get rid of habitual sin? For example I'm into no fap, but even though I stop, I always go back to it, is it because every time I stop the evil spirits come back with even stronger spirits to try and get me to fap again? How are we supposed to get rid of habitual sin under these circumstances

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Perseuction of Indian Christians

Persecution of Christians in India continues

>“We have seen sporadic incidents happen in Assam in the past – but three incidents of violence within a month against the Christian community has built a sense of insecurity among the Christians of Assam,” said Allen Brooks, spokesperson for the Assam Christian Forum and a member of the Assam State Commission for Minorities.

>“A systematic pattern can be seen in these incidents, different denominations have been targeted within a month’s time. The three places are all key places.”

>Although district authorities called the villagers’ assault “objectionable and communal,” the hard-line Hindus refused to yield to orders to commit in writing that they would stop attacking Mahindra Brahma and his family or keep them from their duties, sources said.

https://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/outbreak-of-violence-against-christians-in-assam-india-sparks-concern.html

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/pol/ lays a shot across the bow at Evangelicalism

/pol/ lays a shot across the bow at Evangelicalism -as a Philosemitic Political and Social Institutional Power Structure in the United States.

https://8ch.net/pol/res/12361069.html#12365151

What can we do about Evangelicals, dispensationalists, and Scofield Bible Thumpers?

Are Evangelicals deluded and lost? Can they be saved?

They hold more political power in the US than any other Christian Denomination, esp. in the right wing. They poach followers from other denominations and in large part includes the Non-Denominational movement.

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What is the trinity

So a discussion in another thread made me think this question is worth asking. What is the the trinity?

A big problem is when we talk about the trinity we used bad diagrams and vague language and words that don't really explain anything. This leads to a poor understanding of doctrine and more importantly a poor understanding of who God is.

Let's start with this diagram. . . it's terrible. It's terrible because it's misleading.

For example the diagram says the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the holy spirit, etc.

So that is not wrong, but it's only partially true

because the catechism of the Catholic church says this

>253 "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God.

so in a sense it is correct to say that the father is not the son is not the holy spirit - because they are actually distinct persons. However to focus only on this misses the unity - which is as per the catechism - the father is that which the son is, the son that which the father is.

Or to put it as Jesus said - anyone who has seen me has seen the father

So while it's important to capture the distinct persons in God, it is also important to recognize the unity of the trinity and how these there are one as 1 John 5: puts it:

>There are 3 that bear witness in heaven and these 3 are one.

Now but this I don't mean modalism which is a heresy that holds that the father, son and the holy spirit are just 3 faces of a single entity. Instead I am saying that there are 3 entities who are separate and distinct but also somehow one single entity through the mystery of the trinity

The best explanation I've seen of this is the Athelasian creed

>The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals, but one Eternal.

>For as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge each Person by Himself to be both God and Lord, so we are also forbidden by the catholic religion to say that there are three gods or three lords.

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Calvinist considering Lutheranism

A few months ago I started attending an LCMS parish because my wife invited me over. Usually we just go to our respective churches but since my wife invited me, I went with her. Immediately I was stunned, the service is just beautiful eventhough a part of me felt uncomfortable that it is papist. The pastor himself was gentle and willing to answer any questions I have.

I used to mock Lutherans for having to look at sacraments for assurance and salvation but after he told me about how that is better than having to somehow know I am elect and feel the faith in me it was comforting.

I am seriously considering Lutheranism now

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Give me a reason not to be LCMS

Baptist here, after reading some works of Martin Luther, I cant help but feel that the SBC is lacking in areas like sacraments and even what faith is. I read Luther and I was shocked by the profound depth of his writings. The real presence of Christ in faith, assurance that makes sense, the sacraments and the beauty of their divine service.

I am considering moving to the LCMS but I want to hear some thoughts first before I swim to Wittenburg

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Archdiocese of New Orleans

57 clergy members ‘credibly accused’ of abuse in New Orleans area since 1950, archdiocese says in releasing names

https://www.nola.com/news/2018/11/57-clergy-members-credibly-accused-of-abuse-in-new-orleans-area-since-1950-archdiocese-says-in-releasing-names.html

The Archdiocese of New Orleans on Friday (Nov. 2) released the names of 57 Roman Catholic clergy members “credibly accused” of abusing minors over many decades in southeast Louisiana, answering a clarion call for transparency in a scandal that has rocked the world’s largest Christian church.

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Christian /Relationship/ General Christanon

A thread for Christians of every denomination also for non-Christians who seek help.

Single eh? you must probably improve yourself first before you seek for life partner.

>Marriage Advice

Baptists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRqMG0W37-Q

Catholics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbhDCmzX4mw

By C.S Lewis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXi4-_HPRk&list=PL5I_DVzcDG5jWpIy2j23Qnc03YsbJnIsH

The Necessity of Chivalry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBT9LasyC3E

Focus on the Family broadcast: https://www.focusonthefamily.com/media/daily-broadcast

>Diet

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

? Hippocrates

Resources for Ketogenic diet:

Dr. Eric Berg: https://www.youtube.com/user/drericberg123 (best source if you're an absolute beginner)

The Ketogenic bible: http://b-ok.cc/book/2823443/e965b0 (a must read before you start your diet)

Your brain on ketosis: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/low-carb-ketogenic-diet-brain

–Fasting–

Suffering from loss of focus or feeling tempted to sin? Try fasting!

Fasting is proven to be beneficial, don't starve yourself but do the right type of fasting.

Difference between Fasting and Starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPAm66TbPcY

Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (Matthew 17:21 KJV)

(IMPORTANT: Please don't reduce protein and fat intake, you don't want to lose your muscles)

>Knowledge

If you're new to philosophy try this: https://www.khanacademy.org/partner-content/wi-phi

(Basic) Theology: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrI5U0R293u9uveijefKyAA

>About Marriage

The Meaning of Marriage: http://b-ok.cc/book/1259768/79049c

Can't cook? Learn to cook from based Chef John, he's p funny too!

https://www.youtube.com/user/foodwishes

>Music and arts

Guitar: https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe

Piano: https://www.youtube.com/user/PianoLessonsForKids

Music: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/music

Art: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities

Bad at being social? Try reading "How to win friends and influence people" (be careful! might make you look autist)

Essential readings:

Bible

The Pilgrims Progress

Plato- Republic

Confessions by Blessed Augustine

All of the Dostoevsky works

Mere Christianity

The Screwtape letters

Ivanhoe

Pride and Prejudice or Sense and Sensibility (It's really comfy read)

Things to avoid:

Stop carving sugar, seriously it's worse than cocaine

Don't indulge into politics, both right and left are two sides of same coin, it'll brainwash you, be yourself.

Avoid Media and TV, again it'll just manipulate and trigger your emotions

Avoid Social Media, research has shown that people who scroll through FB are more likely to be sad than those who don't

Regarding women:

Don't treat women as objects, seriously y'all incels need to realize this!

Guess it's enough, Why did the mods delete my previous post? I've put a lot of hard work into it!

Rules:

Don't bash individuals for choosing women/men of different skin shade

Don't be racist

Do not bring up denominational fight in this thread

Do not mock others, this is a friendly thread and try to help others

Quote to remember:

He who stops being better, stops being good.

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OSAS is true. Therefore I AM OMNISCIENT

If OSAS is true, those who are saved must be omniscient. Sounds weird? Dont worry I will explain.

Suppose you are saved, so you make a statement,

"I am Saved".

The statement "I am Saved" only refers to a present moment. It does not say whether 5 years later or 10 years later I would still be Saved. This is because from this point I do not know if something I might go through would cause me to doubt and lose my faith and because I dont know, that will be a possibility down the line and hence whether I continue to be Saved is not an absolute statement of fact given this uncertainty.

Now suppose the OSAS viewpoint, which states that once you are Saved, you will always be Saved. You can even know whether this is so. The problem is, people who claim to be Saved and experience being born again fall away. Sure the OSAS can say they were never truly saved or that one cannot fully know the salvific state of anyone else. But then this lack of knowledge means there is always the possibility that you feel the Spirit and had been born again but you arent saved, as others claim these but fell away. So there is a chance you are deluding yourself. But then the OSAS believer claims you can know if you are OSAS which given the uncertainties laid out entails access to a mode of knowledge where one can be certain and surely assured of being OSAS.

To posit this however, one must know one will NEVER apostasize from God ever. But no one can know this given our limited knowledge as pointed out prior, so the only way for the OSAS believer to know he is OSAS is to literally know every single contingent action that he had, has and will take. He must know every single counterfactual of freedom that he can or will carry out to truly know he is saved. The problem of course, this entails a mode of knowledge only an omniscient being like God hasz who will infallibly know all counterfactuals and contingent action. And so the OSAS believer must claim omniscience to know if he is OSAS

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It is required to enter a subject when starting a new thread on this board

hey I just wanted to let everyone know I received a permanent ban on /christian/ for this post >>>/christian/538234

it seems the (((mod))) forgot to leave a ban message, so I'm just letting you know

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poland

im from poland i can answer your questions about polish variety of roman catholicism

also i hope you recognize both guys in my picrel

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I’m so angry

I fucking hate Baptists bros, II hate them so much

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Why did this happen? WHERE are the truth Christians?

John Ryland’s Papyrus:

Beneath your compassion

we take refuge, Theotokos.

Our petitions do not despise in time of trouble,

but from dangers ransom us,

Only Holy, Only Blessed

3rd Century Letter [5]

Egypt, Circa AD 250

3rd Century Papyrus:

As we sing to Father Son and Holy Spirit, may all the powers join with us to say Amen. To the only giver of all good things be power and praise. Amen.

Probably Egyptian, 3rd Century AD hymn [4]

Origen of Alexandria:

Now supplication and plea and thanksgiving may be offered to people without impropriety. Two of them, namely pleading and thanksgiving, might be offered not only to saints but to people alone in general, whereas supplication should be offered to saints alone, should there be found a Paul or a Peter, who may benefit us and make us worthy to attain authority for the forgiveness of sins.

On Prayer, 14.6 [3]

Alexandria, Circa AD 253

St. Hippolytus of Rome:

Tell me, you three boys, remember me, I entreat you, that I also may obtain the same lot of martyrdom with you, who was the fourth person with you who was walking in the midst of the furnace and who was hymning to God with you as from one mouth? Describe to us his form and beauty so that we also, seeing him in the flesh, may recognize him.

Commentary on Daniel, 30.1[2]

Rome, Circa AD 202-211

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1Peter 3:21 PROVES Baptists right?

Does 1Peter 3:21 mean Baptism is merely a symbol or public profession of faith?

Let's find out, starting with its Greek.

καὶὑμᾶς ἀντίτυπον νῦνσῴζει βάπτισμα, οὐ σαρκὸς ἀπόθεσις ῥύπου ἀλλὰ συνειδήσεως ἀγαθῆς ἐπερώτημα εἰς θεόν, δι’ ἀναστάσεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

Although the verb ἐπερωτάω is common enough in the New Testament and wider literature, the passive cognate noun ἐπερώτημα is very rare. However based on early papyri that we got(i.e such as in P.Oxy. 9.1200, the registration of a deed dated to 266 CE,and in P.Oxy. 9.1208, the public acknowledgement of a contract of sale in 291 CE) it carries the sense of a contract or covenant, perhaps also equivalent to the Latin applicatio ad patronum, whereby one entered into a client–patron relationship.

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NO GRAVEN IMAGES

why did this happen?

This why I, a soul winning Independent Fundamentallyillist Baptist say all the early Christians are heretics

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Steven Anderson IS GNOSTIC

Irenaeus contra Gnostic

3. For this purpose, then, he had come that he might win her first, and free her from slavery, while he conferred salvation upon men, by making himself known to them. For since the angels ruled the world ill because each one of them coveted the principal power for himself, he had come to amend matters, and had descended, transfigured and assimilated to powers and principalities and angels, so that he might appear among men to be a man, while yet he was not a man; and that thus he was thought to have suffered in Judæa, when he had not suffered. Moreover, the prophets uttered their predictions under the inspiration of those angels who formed the world; for which reason those who place their trust in him and Helena no longer regarded them, but, as being free, live as they please; for men are saved through his grace, and not on account of their own righteous actions. For such deeds are not righteous in the nature of things, but by mere accident, just as those angels who made the world, have thought fit to constitute them, seeking, by means of such precepts, to bring men into bondage. On this account, he pledged himself that the world should be dissolved, and that those who are his should be freed from the rule of them who made the world.https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.ii.xxiv.html

Anderson Pro Gnostic

The title of my sermon tonight is Once saved always saved. It’s about the eternal security of the believer, the fact that once we get saved there is nothing we can ever do to lose our salvation

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html

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Ancient Baptists FOUND

When cathodox says all the early Christians are not Baptists, they are wrong, just look at Aerius during the 4th century

(4) Next he says, “What is the Passover you celebrate? You are giving your allegiance to Jewish fables again. We have no business celebrating the Passover,” he says; “Christ was sacrificed for our Passover.”

4 3,5 Then, after this: “Why do you mention the names of the dead after their deaths (i.e., in the liturgy)? < If > the living prays or has given alms, how will this benefit the dead? If the prayer of the people here has benefited the people there, no one should practice piety or perform good works! He should get some friends any way he wants, either by bribery or by asking friends on his death bed, and they should pray that he may not suffer in the next life, or be held to account for his heinous sins.

3,6 “And there can be no set time for fasting,” he says. ‘These are Jewish customs, and ‘under a yoke of bondage.5 ‘The Law is not made for the righteous, but for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers6 and the rest. If I choose to fast at all, I shall fast of my own accord, on the day of my choice, because of my liberty.” (7) And they therefore make a point of fasting on Sunday instead [of the usual days], and eating on Wednesdays and Fridays. They often fast on Wednesday also, but by their own choice, they say, not by an ordinance.

3,8 And during the days of Passover, while we sleep on the ground, purify ourselves, endure hardships, eat dry bread, pray, watch and fast, performing all the saving < mortifications* > of the holy Passovers, they buy meat and wine early in the morning, stuff their veins, < and > burst out laughing in mockery of those who keep this holy service of the week of the Passover.

From: Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 75

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What's with this idolatry?

Is it me or are the early Christians Idol worshippers?

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Matthew on judgement

Expectation of the final judgment is a central theme in Matthew, and the function of this motif within the narrative is primarily to inspire moral behavior in light of the coming judgment. The ethical motivation of Matthew’s judgment motif can be seen especially in Jesus’ speeches, where Jesus regularly teaches his disciples to live in the present in light of the reality of hell and the final day of judgment, when the righteous will be separated from the unrighteous (Matt 5:12, 21-30; 6:1-21; 7:13-14, 21-27; 10:40-42; 13:24-30, 36-43, 47-50; 16:27; 18:8-9, 23-35; 19:27-30).

Throughout the narrative of Matthew, the practice of righteousness, including sharing resources with the needy, is grounded in the expectation that everyone will be rewarded or punished at the final judgement based on how they have lived in the present, one example is the parable of talents in The parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30) which

stresses the importance of servants acting responsibly while the “Lord” of the household is away; the servant who is not faithful with the talent entrusted to him has his talent taken away and is thrown into “the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth”

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Sproul IS NESTORIAN

((Some say, “It was the second person of the Trinity Who died.” That would be a mutation within the very being of God)), because when we look at the Trinity we say that the three are one in essence, and that though there are personal distinctions among the persons of the Godhead, those distinctions are not essential in the sense that they are differences in being. Death is something that would involve a change in one’s being.

We (should shrink in horror from the idea that God actually died on the cross. The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ). Somehow people tend to think that this lessens the dignity or the value of the substitutionary act, as if we were somehow implicitly denying the deity of Christ. God forbid. It’s the God-man Who dies, but death is something that is experienced only by the human nature, because the divine nature isn’t capable of experiencing death.

https://www.ligonier.org/blog/it-accurate-say-god-died-cross/

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Catholics

Like I hear their arguments, but they seem no matter what in violation of this

Exodus 20

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

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Calvinists are LITERALLY FROZEN

Calvinists and OSAS believers must believe they are literally "frozen" and don't really move. Here's why

According to many Calvinists, there is no such thing as any incompatabilist free choice at all. In fact to some like Paul Helm God's own foreknowledge is incompatible with any notion of incompatabilistic freedom as he argues in "Eternal God: A Study of God without Time". In this monumental attempt to argue for God beyond time which is laudable, Helm makes the case that God timelessly creates the universe and it makes no sense to say "when" this takes place. Given this, as Helm also posits that "then we can say, by extension, that God has produced every event that the universe contains"(pg.69). Indeed Helm's elaboration of this is wide enough to accommodate an indeterminist view(pg.70) but given his rejection of this, it entails that God must also determine the actions of these agents by actually producing these events as he wants them to unfold. When addressing the argument that an agent's free act to do A is based on God's will that the agent freely does A need not compromise indeterminist freedom, he accepts this logic but sees it as compromising it(pg.165). Hence it would certainly be the case that for one to A, God must also will or ordain that one As.

In "Calvin at the Centre", Helm uses a similar way to describe Calvin and Stoic compatabilism where he states against the argument that if determinism is true, what we do doesn't matter:

>while it was eternally ordained by God (let us suppose) that Joe climbs the ladder, God’s decree that he does so is a necessary condition of the truth of ‘Joe climbed the ladder’. But it is not by itself sufficient, because the decree has also to take effect in time. In ordaining that Joe climb the ladder God must also ordain that there is an available ladder, that Joe was not too frightened to climb it, that he had an objective for which ladder-climbing is necessary, the desire to climb, and so forth. And for this sort of scenario to be a cure for Joe’s idleness then he must want to climb the ladder, knowing or believing that it is (probably) connected with something further that he wants to achieve. Such factors have to be ordained in the correct causal and teleological order and to ‘fall out’ thus.(pg.243)

Here, for Joe to actually climb the ladder, it must be because God from his eternity willed that Joe climbs the ladder which must take effect temporally and involve God willing other conditions such as having an actual ladder for Joe to climb and his dispositions to be able to will to climb it. Joe's movements is ultimately because another agent from eternity willed it to be so and it is necessitated as such. Of course these to Calvin and the Stoics does not excuse them of idleness as humans don't have access or knowledge of the future and that "effort is causally contributory to an envisaged end"(pg.244). Hence we must also act as if the future is open(pg.245). Regardless, all actions are still necessitated by God's ordination(pg.247) and decree and hence the future is truly set in stone.

So with this determinism in mind in Calvin and the prominent Calvinist theologian Paul Helm who takes the compatabilist view, how does all these relate to my statement that Calvinists and OSAS believers must believe they are "frozen". This is simple, many reviews of Helm's "Eternal God" have noted that Helm is espousing what is known as the B-Series theory of time.

For instance:

https://www.amazon.com/Eternal-God-Study-without-Time/dp/0199590389

And in WLC's review: https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writings/divine-eternity/a-review-of-paul-helms-eternal-god/

And Helm's own espousal of this theory of time: https://paulhelmsdeep.blogspot.com/2008/01/eternalism-contra-craig.html

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did a mistake

Hello /christ/. A while ago someone asked me on here, "what do you want?" and i mistakenly said "to be free" when i actually wanted to say "the truth". the thing why i did that is because i thought when i say "i want the truth" i will not get it. so i said "i want to be free" so i can go to the truth myself.

however, i realized that i need to follow my heart to reach the goal. and that is the truth.

these are the things most important to me:

Truth, Freedom, Love

i am posting here again hoping to set things right again.

i want the TRUTH and not freedom, i want freedm too, but first comes the truth and then freedom.

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Come to /christo/

We created /christo/ due to the rampant bans given to users on /christian/ for disagreeing with or showing any signs of disagreement to Rome. While I am a Baptist myself, I do not intend for this to become like /christian/ where one denomination reigns supreme. I can promise here that one's denomination will not be a cause for a ban/warning.

We simply want a place for Christians of all denominations to be able to discuss online without fear of being banned for having different doctrine to that of the mod's.

This is why I have made sure to create a diverse mod team without one denomination having a majority over others. For as long as I'm the owner on there, you will never be banned for disagreements over doctrine.

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Would you be a weapon?

Would you be a weapon?

Would you wander dark paths naked and alone. Would you be nameless,friendless, hopeless? Would you destroy yourself so that others may live better lives.

Would you forsake companionship,peace, and love to walk with murderers, to conspire with thieves, to slip through the cracks of a sacred life and walk in the ways of evil men.

Would you give your soul for safe keeping to the Uktena, the horned serpent and protector of the Cherokee?

Would you have it swim through underground rivers naked and alone. An inkblot of darkness separated from the darkness that surrounds it, and known only to itself.

Would you make this sacrifice?

Would you seek the knowledge of evil so that you may recognize it in yourself and crush it?

Would you seek so that you might find?

Could you discern it in the hearts of others and lift it out gently so that other fruits may flourish?

Failing to reform, would you destroy?

Failing to bring a soul back into the good light of gods safe passage, could you be vicious?

Would you have the strength and ferocity to send it burning into the outer dark?

Would you send vile men crawling on all fours,rooting in the earth like a beast?

Would you send them seeking the end of the world?

Would you be a weapon?

Would you surrender to this temptation?

Would you be like the tree that reaches for heaven and finds its roots in hell?

Some men who consider themselves wise say that you should. They say that you must straddle the line between order and chaos in order to walk a straight life.

What they lack is humility.

The tree that reaches for heaven will surely find its roots in hell, but the tree that draws from hell will destroy itself.

Take Hitler for an example. Filled with righteous anger at the treatment of his people who struggled in the ashes of war, who were abused by bankers and great men, who prostituted their children at train stations, he could have sought to lift them up. He could have been a great man with his talents for speaking.

Instead he reached for heaven, he sought to supplant god. He made himself an idol to his people, he sought to remake the world in his own image, to decide who lived and who died. He sunk his roots deep in hell and in a hole deep underground he took his own life while the city that he loved burned above him.

Would you be a weapon?

Or would you walk a path of peace, love and understanding. Would you walk the truest paths our forefathers ever walked, the ones that they walked together.

Would you wield truth as a sword or apply it for healing?

Would you use your righteous anger as a medicine for your people?

Or would you destroy yourself?

Would you be a weapon?

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AAAAAAAA

Anyone else experience this?

I detransitioned, I was a mtf transsexual, I did it because of my faith and most of my friends were of the LGBT community. I never disrespected them or even brought up my opinion that they were sinning like never not once to them cause I realize like said in corinthians you dont judge those outside the church It is not your place, and I thought I liked them as people. But they sorta slowly just stopped talking to me and said I had "changed" and they didnt like It. So I just accepted it and moved on.

I also use to run a 350 user discord server that was occult and paranormal focused. Then when I fully accepted christ into my heart I tried to keep running it but I realized I couldn't keep running It, I just wasn't compatible as a leader for It anymore, considering I gave up such practices and everything. Then after that, they all gathered and created a new server and I figured I could be there and just be their friend and I soon realized they all felt that "I changed" they basically all started to treat me like trash all these people that were my "friends" and supposedly "looked up to me". So I left and lost all them as friends even on a private one on one level.

So I dunno sorta a vent and wondering if anyone experienced anything similar… I have never disrespected my once friends their opinions and beliefs on things. I kept that to myself. I followed corinthians only bringing up sin and such with other christians. I just dont know.

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"Christlike" and prayer request

I always hear it we should strive to be more "Christlike" which I can agree with what they are trying to say and the spirit of it. But for some reason it feels blasphemous like you are dare placing yourself on the same level of Christ in a sense. I dunno any one else have opinions on this? I also feel really uncomfortable asking people to pray for me something about that feels wrong to, like you are breaching the privacy and personalization of your own prayer. I am sure I am wrong for various reasons on both of theses, but does any one else have feelings like this about things like mentioned.

More clarification: I'm not saying its blasphemy to follow his foot steps as close as we can, I mean more the phrase Its self feels like you are trying to compare yourself to christ almost like you are claiming messiahship. The concept behind the phrase is just fine it's more the structure and format of the phrase that feels wrong. Also I'm not referring to group prayer I more mean prayer request like you see people ask others to pray for all sort of things for them like sometimes stuff as basic as "can you pray for me that I get hired at this job".

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Nopes/spooky bread

What event in your life re arrimed your belief in the spiritual world. Anyone ever an encounters with demons or any other spiritual beings? How can christians arm themselves in the face of demonic beings?

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So was “Jesus” Amen Ra, Lucifer, Jehovah, or some combination?

He clearly attained enlightenment and became the personal incarnation of a higher power. Which entity?

Is the God of the Old Testament the same as the New, or are they enemies? Is this the split between the Atenists and the Priesthood of Amun?

Saturn is Satan/Remphan/Molech, the enemy of Jupiter/Amen Ra/Zeus/Jehovah. Zeus was the father of Jesus/Horus/Dionysus/The Sun. Venus would be Lucifer, Mercury Hermes, Mars Hephaestus, Uranus Anu, and Pluto Hades.

Were the pagan gods the planets? Or were they giants/ancient aliens? I've also heard they were just scientists from a previous cycle.

Why do those fuckers at the Vatican keep all this a secret?

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Hmm

>Elohim is a plural word

“Okay, but that could just be for some other reason. That’s for the trinity. There’s only one God!”

>Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.

“Th-that just means that the other gods are fake and he’s real! That’s why he’s greater than other “gods””

>God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

“O-okay, but that’s all Old Testament. People didn’t fully understand God back then, that’s why there are many”

>For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

“NOOOOOOOOOO!”

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why are protestants so awful?

Protestants love fags the most. Why are they so terrible ?

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Define “degeneracy”

Is it basically sinful things or just a generic meme for things that one doesn’t like?

I ask because some people would classify multiculturalism, immigration, and integration as “degenerate”. It sounds like a meme to me.

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China

https://www.gospelherald.com/articles/71865/20181003/china-rewrite-bible-include-buddhist-teachings-infuse-worship-songs-chinese.htm

China May 'Rewrite' Bible to Include Buddhist Teachings, Infuse Worship Songs with 'Chinese Elements'

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How do I become a christian ?

I want to start reading the bible and I want to repent , how and where do I start ? How do I regain a relationship with god ? my mother and father taught me a lot about god and I do have faith but I fear that god isn't listening to my prayers because I've messed up beyond forgiveness.

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Wonderful day!

So I went to a church of my own accord after only going twice with friends families when I was a kid. I was raised in an agnostic/atheist house hold. I had a great time. The Sermon they gave was against PC culture taking over Churches and the narrow path. I dunno felt like sharing it was great.

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One father, three children

>both believe in one god, the creator

>both believe in private property, and had slaves

>both believe in marriage, and patriarchy

>both believe masturbation/homosexuality/abortion are bad

>both believe in the exact same ten commandments

>both believe in a messiah, judgement day and the resurrection of the dead

>both believe children should be parents's puppets

>both believe slaughtering/enslaving animals is fine

>both live and proliferate in the western world and run(or ran) western countries

You are close to one another more than what you think

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Converts

I've met two Indians at work who have converted to Catholicism in order to come to Australia. I'm an Orthodox apostate and would never reveal my beliefs unless specifically asked. My work is very dull and leaves a lot of room for conversation, so naturally after cycling through the regular pleasantries I have offended them with my despicable convictions (possibly by saying that a simple verbal/internal belief in the Trinity is insufficient for entry to the Kingdom of Heaven).

Same goes for my Chinese associates. I'm not entirely sure of what they hope to achieve by organising Bible study sessions.

I would like to ask the resident anons here about how the Catholic church gains these new converts. The few times I've been to the local Orthodox churches, I've only seen 1 or 2 non-Eastern-European Australians inside (probably because the local Orthodox population would not try to persuade someone into attending the church). However, these two Indians and another Jew-turned-Christian have straight-away began to preach to me without even asking. Where does this zeal come from?

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Tumblr

Tumblr has something against Christianity. Im biblestudy guy and I always post the study schedule and notice on tumblr. This is something I consistently noticed.

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OMG HYPOCRITES!!

This video covers a lot of those "You are wrong for saying X is sinful you hypocrites"

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QTDDTOT

Questions that don't deserve there own thread.

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Hello

Hi so I'm bible study guy, I also host a very small christian discord server. I noticed this board doesn't have a discord connected to It so I was wondering, mods, users. Could I advertise mine, or possibly we could team up and make it the boards discord… I totally understand if you don't wanna do that. I have the same moderation principles as the moderators here all forms of Christianity welcome and differing opinions allowed.

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Board Mascot discussion

It's high time /christ/ grew up and got itself its own board mascot. Post thoughts/art/ideas

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ITT we discuss the concept of SOPHIA

some of you tell me whenever I bring up the concept that it is a 'SATANIC' or 'UNGODLY' notion. how can this be the case when several books of the OLD TESTAMENT of the Catholic and Protestant BIBLE are known as 'wisdom' books? would you have us not seek wisdom and not become wise? why do you want everyone to be STUPID like you?

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ישוע הוא המשיח

Yeshua is the Messiah. Christianity is a gentile religion, but Yeshua came as the Messiah for Judaism. The only way you can follow him is if you become circumcised and follow the law. Paul was a heretic, he was a self hating Jew. He wrote the whole New Testament. We follow Yeshua not Paul.

Yeshua is the Messiah, not Paul. Yeshua was crucified and died and rose, not Paul. Yeshua is coming back soon to rebuild the holy Temple for the Jewish people and establish world peace.

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JanBoshoff

want to go to heaven? Listen to this man!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLak4WvRRGo

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Paul Apostle of Christ

https://twitch.tv/runaway7a

also mirrored in bible study stream

Airing Paul, Apostle of Christ 2018

20 mins

Join Us!

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Looking for resources on Catharism

I’m no longer attracted to Reformed theology, and mainstream Christianity in general, so I’m thinking about venturing into Gnosticism. The cathars seem interesting enough, but I feel like most official documents don’t tell the full story.

The papal sources are full of shit; they have a vested interest in demonizing the cathar sect. Books, videos, and documentaries would be most appreciated.

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I can haz consirvative Anglicanism?

I-I just want catholicism without the Pope. Is that too much to ask? ;-;

I recently started going to episcopal churches because I like the liturgy. The people are almost always kind and polite, but I don’t really see a reason to join the episcopal church since they have no official doctrine. The ACNA looks promising, but there’s no ACNA church in my area.

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Christian Kabbalah

What are you thoughts on Christian Kabbalah, Is anyone here familiar with it?

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Bible study companions

Im looking for study companions for the bible, i mean like uhh books that help you understand better that sorta thing.. Well any suggestions? Im non denominational

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Convince me

Convince me God is real. I used to believe but haven't found enough evidence aside from "the bible says so"

I just don't want to believe everything is for nothing

Jesus seemed pretty based tbh

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Christ-chan general

Post your favorite Christ-chan.

The 2 image limit is kind of shame, but understandable due to how slow the board is.

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CatholiciSchism

Hey Catholics and those similar,

In light of the unrelenting stream of heresy and antagonism pouring out of the Vatican these past few weeks following the sex scandal, what has been your response?

Are you ignoring it and praying/fasting/etc? Are you raising a ruckus locally, withholding funds from the basket, etc? Are you looking around at other faiths?

Earnest responses from non-Catholics welcome too, but please resist the urge to take cheap shots.

We're hurting over here, guys.

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The plan is coming to fruition

The angels are singing again, /christ/. can you hear them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFgX0c_n9Xc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35K6vQRt67g

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Hiya

umm u-hh hi!

https://discord.gg/VzbG89T

christian server

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hello

I have a problem. I consider myself christian, I believe in Jesus Christ, his word, his law, his promise, that he died on the cross and resurrected in 3 days. That he is the fathers only begotten son. That the father, son and holy spirit exist as one and make up this world,

But I still find my self worshiping old gods, such as aphrodite, hermes, and I believe in fae giving them offerings for luck. Should i give up these old beliefs will they cause me to burn in hell? I still believe in christ, the father, and the holy spirit are most high.

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Oneness Pentecostal general.

What do you think about us apostolics?

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Terry A. Davis

What does /christ/ think about Terry?

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Tulpamancy

Are tulpas a demonic thing or just a psychological phenomena?

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We are the lost tribes of Israel

My brothers and sisters…. The answer is both.

Many of what I say will come from Scripture, but the perspective must change.

A long time ago, God separated the tribe of Judah from the other 11 tribes. He did this because of Judah's propensity to worship false gods, including Moloch. This is a direct reference to 1 Kings in the Old Testament.

At this point, Jew no longer = Israel. Judah Iscariot, betrayed of Jesus= Jew of Iscaria. Those who pushed for Jesus to be crucified… Jews. The Bible makes it very clear, the tribes of Israel fought against the evil tribe of Judah.

So who were the remaining 10 tribes? Where did the actual israelites go? Suffice it to say… Do your own research.

You will put together for yourself that the greatest trick the "Jews" ever pulled, was to make us hate our own heritage. The Caucasian people of Europe are in fact the Israelites. You can find this in the Saxons = shortened form of Isaacson. You can find this in the Scottish declaration of Independence dated 800 years ago, speaking of the people's origin from Greater Scythia… And ties to the original Israelites. You can find this in the tribe of Dan who made their way North through Europe naming geography as they went, from the Danube to Danmark… The land of Dan. We are surrounded by history we have forgotten… And been brainwashed to forget, solely for the purpose to be asleep to our rightful destiny…. Jeremiah's went on a great journey and in Ireland many claim and historical evidence points to his tomb being there. He went to the lost tribes.

Jesus told His disciples to go "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 10:6).

We are in fact the Israelites, God's chosen people, and Jesus in fact died for us. The greatest trick these fake tribal members of Judah pulled was to convince us that we are in fact the gentiles and that naming a collection of "Jews" Israel in 1948 somehow recreated a group God separated 10 tribes from the other.

Jesus died to save the world… And he was nailed to a cross.. yet he did not die until a spear pierced his side.

Odin died to save the world… He was hung from a tree. Odin did not die until a spear pierced his side.

Think about the "coincidence."

Why do you really think the USA can't be found when the world supposedly rallies around to conquer "Israel"? That is because the USA is a collection of the tribal prophecy of the tribes being reunited… We are in fact Israel.

Why do you think there is such multicultural push to mix whites by the "Jews of Judah" yet they will not….? Because they want us to defy God's covenant and commandment to not mix as his chosen blood.

There is proof of the tribes movement and survival… Which started my interest. (Continued…)

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wat

wat i do if the demons are fucking with

i keep telling them to fuck off

but they dont stop

its not even bad its just fucking annoying

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Demiurged Thread?

Demiurged thread.

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Backslidden

I came to faith over 20yrs ago. Five years celibate then fell from grace, then another five years celibate then another fall and just kept falling and falling into sin. Now I have a potty mouth, fornicate and quick temper and can't seem to get delivered from it.

I'm open to sound advice from mature believers. Thank you and God bless you.

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There was no talking snake in Eden

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JoRgS8bJfc

Thoughts, ideas, feelings on this subject?

Even what became Satan was referred to as "the most cunning of the beats of the field".

How would this effect society of it were the common translation instead of a talking snake?

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/Crusade/

The brutes have stormed the gates! Our christian brothers are being crucified by the ISIS and other muslim extremists. Its time to fight back and fight a new holy war. We need to breadpill the middleast we must remove kebab!

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looking for the true word

the bible is not the real word of God.

>https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2003/november-december/the-hidden-message-of-jesus-christ

i need the real word. where can i find it?

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What Kind of Chrostian are you?

Who really runs this board?

http://www.strawpoll.me/16325496

http://www.strawpoll.me/16325496

http://www.strawpoll.me/16325496

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Cathar theology

I have divided negative actions in three categories:

sinful (ex. violence and slavery)

impure (ex. sex and drugs)

neutral (ex. eating and masturbation)

And positive actions in five:

wisdom (ex. understanding a truth)

charity (ex. donating to the poor)

love (ex. taking care of children)

peacemaking (ex. ending a war)

trust (ex. prayers)

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instructional guide on...

How to ban evade any 8chan board

>>17209

>>17210

it is really easy. all you have to do is switch airplane mode on and off on your phone to get a brand new ip address.

obviously the mods at /christian/ are completely out to lunch and cannot be relied upon to consistently enforce their own rules, so just use this simple trick to bypass them.

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Real Lourdes water

These people send real holy Lourdes water all over the world http://www.lourdes-water.org

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Gnostic are not welcomed.

Hey Gnostic fags, i found the perfect board for you. Everyone else please direct any dead end Gnostic discussing to this board. Don't bother talking to them, since they are either taken as correct by their word or leave once given a burden of proof.

>>>/postleftypol/

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Four marks

>One, holy, catholic and apostolic Church

Why are protties considered christian again?

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I wish no fap no root would leave

He is an absolute retard and he shits up every conversation he is involved in.

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Is it a sin to find muscular women attractive???

I feel like it is dangerously close to homosexuality because of the masculinity of huge muscles. But I…I just can’t help it guys

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Struggling with lust

>hot summer day

>me sitting in public transport

>me walking through the streets

>be it a village or a city …

>everywhere are women and girls dressed whorishly

>mfw

Not getting into lustful thoughts and ideas is torture when females in their prime age show so much of their naked bodies. If it would go by impulses I would reproach all of them harshly for dressing like that, but I'd be occupied the whole day doing that and probably get arrested for some twisted charge of "sexual harassment" or the like. What kills me the most are the hot pants and the cleavages and the fact that I am unable to seduce one of those loose women.

Anons, how can you cope with this? It hinders me tremendously at being a Christian.

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on fapping to a benevolent socialist leader, african american fathers etc.

is masturbating to fictional people a sin? what about masturbating to nothing?

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NOAH'S HERMAPHORDITES

How do transsexual and hermaphrodite species fit into Noah's ark narrative?

God said "ONLY ONE MALE AND ONE FEMALE?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WBr7aVADtU

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/esperanto christian/

For those of you who are esperanto christian, the very fringe and smallest minority sect in the faith, this thread is for you

miaj fratoj en Jesuo Kristo, jen trezoritaj versoj

John 1:1 En la komenco estis la Vorto, kaj la Vorto estis kun Dio, kaj la Vorto estis Dio.

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Political Stance Evolution

My political stance evolution:

1.) Republicans are stoopid

2.) Some democrats seem conservative

3.) Liberals are economically conservative and socially liberal

4.) DemSocs have great ideas

5.) Marx is the most eloquent political writer of all time

6.) Liberals ARE conservative

7.) Stalin did nothing wrong

8.) Liberals are right wing

9.) We need violent Marxist revolution

11.) DemSocs are right wing and counter-revolutionary enemies of the people's movement

12.) Mao is the most eloquent political writer of all time

13.) Pol Pot did nothing wrong

How did your political stances evolve?

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/Sunday/ Scripture and Testimonials

Post scriptures and tell us your story! Memes, OC, and christian pics welcome.

Post your bibles and other collections.

>Parable #11 ~ Matthew 13:3-23 ~ Four >types of soil ~ Scripture

Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow

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his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds 4

came and ate it up. Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It 5

sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. But when the sun came up, the 6

plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. Other seed fell

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among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good

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soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.

He who has ears, let him hear.” 9

The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in 10

parables?”

He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been 11

given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have 12

an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though

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hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of 14

Isaiah:

“ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing

but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly 15

hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see

with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I

would heal them.’

But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 16

For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you 17

see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

“Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears 18 19

the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and

snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.

The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the 20

word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a 21

short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly

falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man 22

who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth

choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on 23

good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop,

yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

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IMAGINE BEING THIS BUTTHURT OVER PROTESTANTISM

It’s one thing to disagree with your opponents, but to actually write a caricature article against Lutheranism and Calvinism seems beyond childish and uncharitable to me.

Here are some of the excerpts:

>Lutheranism is essentially for persons without a metaphysical or philosophical spirit. It appeals more to materialistic persons who like the things of this world and take great pleasure in them. They do not like to think about death or the reason for being of things.

So according to the author, anyone who believes in justification by faith alone lacks a “metaphysical” spirit??? I will grant that the religious libertine is such a person who believes and behaves in a manner that is similar to a brute beast, but there are most definitely Lutherans who are invested in achieving holiness in their lives. The Pietism movement is a testiment to that.

>Different from this, there is another type of Protestant who has a philosophical bent that went astray and made him acrimonious. He is bitter about life. A Calvinist sees the roasted pig on the table and instead of eating it, he thinks: “O, death! What a terrible thing! One day I will be eaten by worms just as I now eat this pig. It is true that today this pig provides a feast for me, but tomorrow I will be the feast for worms. Is this life worth living?”

Very fascinating. I seem to recall visiting a Presbyterian Church (PCA) a year ago that had a huge feast. No one was moping about the troubles of this world. Bitterness is the result of unforgiveness; traits that are repudiated in the Reformed tradition, so I’m not sure where the author is getting his information.

He is also playing on the old meme of Calvinists/Puritans having no fun, or thinking that fun is a sin. We in the Reformed tradition recognize the meanness and baseness of such pleasures. While it is okay to feast, and dance, and drink wine, and play cards (without gambling, of course), these things only bring temporary comfort to the body and mind; these things can never satisfy the soul, so why place such a huge emphasis on these things?

>To have the least possible number of problems and bothers, he arranges a calm and well-planned life. Therefore, he makes money in order to not lack any of the basic necessities. He follows a diet so he will not be sick. He has only a handful of friends so as not to be asked for too many favors

This sounds like a wise course of action to me. I don’t see what the problem is. God himself plans his course of action in the world, so I don’t understand why we can’t do the same.

>His aim is a calm life; within that calmness, tedium; and within the tedium, bitterness.

That might be true if we are talking about some beastly atheist, but the Reformed tradition states that spiritual pleasures ought to be what a Christian seeks after the most. He seems very he’ll bend on caricaturizing all Calvinists as bitter people, when he is conveniently forgetting about all of the bitter people within his own sect. How many stories have I heard about the bitter and wrathful nun or friar?

I won’t bother with the rest of the criticisms against Calvinism; the author seems to have a gripe against the doctrines of grace since the criticisms of Calvinism compose the bunk of his article. He even goes as far as using ‘’American Gothic’’ to prove his point, despite the fact that picture has nothing to do with religion.

Sadly, this mindset of caricaturizing the opponent is a theme that permeates theological discussions. How many times have I heard people twist and distort the doctrines of grace like the following:

>God didn’t make us robots

>If God predestines everything in the world, that means we can murder and rape!

>but Servetus, tho

>le dictator Calvin

https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm

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music

post nice songs about our Lord and faith.

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mind if I rant here?

I don't know what to say, my frens……

I am a 20 year old male, virgin by choice

I have never had alcohol , cigarettes or drugs/pills of any kind. I have been a christian since I was able to comprehend guilt, sacrifice and forgiveness. I live a fairly active life and go to church regularly. What the actual fuck. This world is sick, these people are all sick. women are sick. I've been cheated on by """'""church girls"""""'' multiple times, I don't know any female who has been in multiple relationships that hasn't cheated, and I only know a handful of guys who haven't cheated. women mock me for being a virgin to the point where I want to physically harm them, My family, also """""""church people"""""" fights non stop, it often gets physical.My dad fucked me up physically and my mom emotionally ,My girlfriend cheated in the first month of our relationship and tells me 5 months later.whether church or action groups , I do my best and almost everyone else does next to if not nothing. I cant stand fake christians , drives me up the fucking wall. The last pastor I had any kind of a relationship with stole from the church, the one before that fought with my at the time 14 year old brother. This whole world and society is sick.

>be moral anon, you'll have a happier life.

>wait for marriage anon, you'll have a happier life.

>be honest anon, you'll have a happier life.

>keep trying, anon,you'll have a happier life.

bullshit

I just want to be in heaven, this world is great but the people are straight evil.

what do I do about this ?

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seeking and seeking

>be monotheist

>tried buddhism, hinduism, christianity, islam, neoplatonism, gnosticism

>no religion is helping me find God

What do? Am I just a brainlet? I'm not gonna live forever so I need to figure this shit out asap

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Johnny Neptune

He seems like a nice guy. Is he Christian?

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Christian Patches

What are some cool patches youd wear?

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Prayers.

I struggle with sin alot. I need prayer. Bicurious thoughts have been occuring in my head and i need them gone. Plz pray. And also pray for my fiance who is going thru medical issues.

Prayer thread

ill pray for you guys as well if u want

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It's all so tiresome

>make thread on /christian/ asking about some scholarly theory I heard

>some anon responds saying that subject is banned on /christian/

>I later see my thread is deleted

>I go on the meta and ask why that subject is banned

>I don't use any vpns or anything, meaning my IP is the same and hasn't changed

>no mods respond to my question on the meta

>forget about it, go back to posting regular stuff, without mentioning anything about that

>later see my posts have all been deleted

>try to make another post

>I'm permanently banned for "ban evasion" with the ban attached to some utterly benign comment I made

>go to ask about it on the discord, but the invite is expired

>go email tutor about it, get no response

>try making another post just to see if I'm still banned

>You appealed this ban on Tuesday 7 August, 2018 and it was denied. You may not appeal this ban again.

Why is /christian/ like this? I still have no clue what ban I'm supposedly evading or what rule I allegedly broke. I just wanted to talk about Christianity online

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Man

"And they changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man"

What did Saint Paul mean by this?? Was he being cheeky?

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controlled opposition

>mfw shitposting /christian/

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11 year old disproves Christianity

https://youtu.be/4XpaMjDmMZs

DISCUSS

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Mutually Exclusive Attributes

Daily reminder if "god" knows everything then he knows also every single choice you will make in the future completely destroying the concept of "free will"

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Scripture thread

 Jeremiah 29:11

“For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”

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New Pro-Christian Board

Hi~

Ex-trap here. Been living in sin and despair my whole life… until I accepted Jesus Christ into my heart.

DISGUSTING FILTH

IT'S STILL NO FAP NOVEMBER YOU SHILL

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Alien Life

Now that NASA has discovered evidence of life on Mars, you guys are aware that the definitive discovery of alien life would destroy Christianity and essentially all religion, right?

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William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

“All that glisters is not gold;

Often have you heard that told:

Many a man his life hath sold

But my outside to behold:

Gilded tombs do worms enfold.”

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i don't get it

If god has a plan why do we pray ?

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Godly marriage?

John Calvin defines the “flower of her age” (1 Corinthians 7:36) as “from twelve to twenty years of age”. Likewise, John Gill defines it as “one of twelve years and a half old”. And Martin Luther says, “A young man should marry at the age of twenty at the latest, a young woman at fifteen to eighteen…” We do not endorse marriage at ages as young as twelve. Our position is that, for a woman:

The ‘youth’ ready for marriage has breasts. A woman who is to be married is one who has breasts; breasts which signal her readiness for marriage, and breasts who promise enjoyment for her husband. (We believe that ‘breasts’ here stand as a symbol for all forms of full secondary sexual characteristics.)

The ‘youth’ ready for marriage is ready to bear children. Unlike modern society Scripture sees the woman as a bearer, nurser, and raiser of children. The ‘young woman’ is the woman whose body is physically ready for these things, physically mature enough to handle them without damage.

The ‘youth’ ready for marriage is one who is ready for sexual intercourse sexually and emotionally. Her desire is for her husband, and she is ready to rejoice in him physically.

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ORTHODOGS AND ALL ENEMIES OF THE PAPIST STAIN GET IN HERE RIGHT NOW

RAID /CHRISTIAN/ SHOW THE CATHOLIC MOD MAFIA NO MERCY. FORCE THEM TO COMPROMISE

USE NORDVPN AND VPNS WITH MANY SERVERS

USE FREE VPN APPS ON MOBILE

ASSEMBLE ASSEMBLE ASSEMBLE

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Board

Is this board dead? /christian/ is reddit now.

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Young Earth Creationism

Please watch this 8 minute video:

12-Year-Old Girl Disproves Evolution

https://youtu.be/EB0mN0ZaN5U

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Every Christian Must Carry Their Cross

Every Christian Must Carry Their Cross

“For that they will be condemned. They must be judged. They are a reproach in My sight. Many will go to Hell for refusing to follow Me. Your LORD has spoken.” —Christians quit carrying their crosses back in the ‘80’s and began following the false prophets.

________

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Luke 9:23

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. Matthew 10:37-39

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general NO FAP discussion ?

Why hello FRIENDS! I have not jerked off for 88 days. what happens after this point? Do I reach true transcendence and become one with jesus? I guess I'd like to know how every one is doing with not fapping. Here's my latest video on my progress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP4wZXOfv3I&feature=youtu.be

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If eternal conscious torment exists then its immoral to procreate

If eternal conscious torment exists then its immoral to have children who would have even slightest chance of going there (hell).

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The Acended master "Jesus"

Can a demon pretend to be Jesus? In the video the author talks about the New Ager "Jesus" or an "ascended master" demon pretending to be Jesus.

Here is the invidio link if you don't want to see the youtube, also hooktube is now just youtube https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=DVdXMx26ljk

>but my mystery religion isn't false

yes it is, it's channeled information https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=ejqbs9AQ_40

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Suffering of the damned is the bliss of the saints

>And they shall go forth, and look on the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring to all flesh.

>tfw We shall see all the idolaters, effeminate, sodomites, junkies, murderers, whores,… burn in hell forever

Why is it that people have such problems with the idea of eternal hellfire for the wicked? Having pity for the rightfully damned is doubting the judgement of God and a sign of weak faith. This misplaced sympathy is the devil wispering in your ear trying to make an apostate of you

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Persecuted

I got banned permanently from /christian/ for saying the mysteries of God are not to be apprehended logically and apologetics is fruitless, so now I'm here.

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jesus is our friend fellows

how many times has jesus let you down I am talking abot hwne your about to fap and he's there whispering in your eaar like a little parrot on the 4th of july ?

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Going to a church for first time

Hi there friends, I plan on going to an orthodox church for first time , a bit nervous. What was it like for you guys? Which service do you go to for the first time, the night one or the sunday morning one?

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NO FAP BIBLE READING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmWOZ5PDZ7U

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The Danger of Gnosticism

Gnosticism is a poison of the mind! Its the most dangerous theology there is! Repent and beg God for the gnostic heresy to be put out of mind! Do not feel wise in your own conceits. You know nothing!

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Quakers

Admin add the Quaker option

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im horny help

i need to find something to put a hole in i havent jerked off in 69 days

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Life: Created or Related?

How did the various forms of life come about? Were they part of special separate creations from one another, or are they bound by blood (or whatever else they may use)?

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Christ universe creation process

Can someone explain to me the universe creation process.

As I understand, when the Father and the Spirit trinitize to create a child creation (Christ), this creator son also is accompanied by a daughter spirit, which acts as the local universe spirit.

Do the Daughter and Mother spirit communicate?

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Struggling with sin

I want to be a good christian. I remember when i first accepted him into my heart. It was amazing. Now i have fallen off the path. I really want to be better. It doesnt help that i live with my fiance and mother in law both who do weed. I eventually gave in to temptation and smoked some. I dont have a problem with it being legal.Its just that i try to follow the law. I have had bicurious thoughts and acted upon it only once. I feel bad. I need help. But I cant tell anybody that ik. Plz. Someone help me. Pic unrelated. Just some painting i did

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Metaphysics and the New Age

How much of this is metaphysics and how much is New Age doctrine?

Hes obviously has New Ager influence but metaphysics itself isn't necessarily part of the New Age, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics

>The weak, modern view assumes that the objects studied by metaphysics exist inside the mind of an observer, so the subject becomes a form of introspection and conceptual analysis.

This seems to match what hes saying.

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Anderson cult falling apart?

>embed related

NSFA

not safe for Andersonites

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Invitation

Visit /buddhism/

https://8ch.net/buddhism/index.html

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wtf

Stop the shitposter

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/christpol/ general

Welcome to the /christpol/ general, here you can present your information, ideals, and other related philosophy in a manner that will actually make Christians and agnostics take you seriously. All fringe beliefs, pagans, atheists, agnostics ect are welcome to post your opposing posts here.

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Imago Dei

What does it mean to be created "in the image of God?" Does it apply to both body and spirit, or is it a purely spiritual concept?

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The Vatican exposed

Embed related

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Saturn worshipping conspiracy

Exodus 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

That is a pretty good Christian answer to the Saturn worshipping conspiracy, but i was wondering if you had more information regarding it from a Christian perspective. Also this image is clearly not Christian but that's only to study the perspective against Christianity.

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Want to give a 'fuck you' to the shitposters?

These are the fuckers who spam this board, Go to >>>/asatru/ and make a thread with a christian anti-pagan picture, the board is as slow as ours for we can spam them.

You can clearly see their pagan shitposts here.

>>16216

>>16186

>>16222

>>16225

Also post more anit-pagan images here.

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trying to not be lukewarm

>trying to be a true follower and deny myself

>feel convicted to delete my music

>rationalize that it doesn't have words and I shouldn't have to

>don't do it for weeks

>feeling condemned

Every little thing trips me up. I feel like I've been fitted for destruction.

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is it okay to be white?

can you be proud of being white and still be Christian? The people on /christian/ told me you can't

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Common Filth

What happened to him? I liked his podcast (in small doses) but haven't kept up with things for the past 6 months, then I hear the Rome is Burning boys mention something about him losing his faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n00Z9Pdnd3I

inb5 nobody cares about attention whores

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Oy Gevalt

/christian/ is a pagan board now christards

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Christ-Philosphy

https://8ch.net/pdfs/res/994.html#q9250

Is Augustine the greatest Theologian ever?

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Explaining the living god to dummies

What is a living being? A living being is something capable of perceiving reality surrounding himself, he is able to interact with it, to apprehend, to express a system of behaviours and emotions. Every living being comes with a power, the greater the power the greater the responsibility(or the abuse). Animals have power on plants, humans have power on animals, advanced aliens(if they exist) probably have power on humans, the creator of this universe has power on everyone living inside of it, the creator of the creator has power on him, and so on…

What is a living god? A living god is every creature capable of exercising power(will alone is power too), therefore every creature is a living god to some degree. Because consciousness increases power and suffering and knowledge, theoretically to infinite degrees, it is definitely a tool of the highest deity, unconscious gods like forces of nature are not supposed to be called gods because they cannot will[for themselves] only transform according to rules.

Why it is so important for humans to recognize their divinity? Because it would prevent the suffering of the multitude, at least in part, instead of abusing each other and inferior beings they would lift up what is considered extremely valuable to them(the suffering of the conscious being). Jesus is the metaphysical herald of this definition, indeed he was called the son of Man.

What is the soul? The soul is the ability to identify yourself even not as yourself, to imagine of being in power of something you are not, it's what makes your consciousness imagine things and draw things in your mind and experience your own dominion. Probably every being forms a soul according to his very perception of reality, for example the soul will decide if you like a specific color or not, it is the scripter of the conscious engine.

What is this "demiurge" you talk about? The demiurge is the destroyer of souls, the self-devouring living god who doesn't recognize the value of consciousness, the abuser of the power given to him…therefore do not trust them! Follow the light of the good god.

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.

>/christian/ isn't a popecuck hugbo-

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Prayer and advice asap

Ive been starting to watch more porn and going to sites where i pay them for vids. I sometimes go on grindr and i already blew a dude. Plz i need help… I dont want this to become an addiction. I need your help anons. I cant lose my family over this…. Im begging you.

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A message from your king!

Hello everyone, Chris-chan here! I just want to say how humbled I am everyday to have an 8chan board where members of my fellowship can come and discuss ME!

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How will the deceiver of this world ever recover?

These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they are virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever He goes. They have been redeemed from among men as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. (Revelation 14:4)

The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you they are full of the Spirit and life. (John 6:63)

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Australia - Archbishop Philip Wilson Found Guilty of Concealing Child Sex Abuse

From TheGoldwater:

>The verdict is out: South Australian Catholic Archbishop Philip Wilson is guilty of concealing child sex abuse by another priest and could serve time in prison

>The decision was delivered in the Newcastle Magistrate’s Court this morning as the state’s highest-ranking Catholic Church official appeared shocked with the verdict.

>The 67-year-old Wilson was accused of covering up of the abuse of then 10-year-old altar boy Peter Creigh by convicted pedophile priest Jim Fletcher near Newcastle, in 1971.

>The victim shared to Wilson what was done to him in 1976. The Archbishop told the trial that he has no memory of such conversation. Wilson is suffering the early stages of Alzheimer’s disease.

>…

Sauce: http://www.thegoldwater.com/news/26773-Australia-Archbishop-Philip-Wilson-Found-Guilty-of-Concealing-Child-Sex-Abuse

its just a prank bro

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.

*deletes your thread*

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Mental Gymnastics, gold medal edition

>A victim of clerical sex abuse has said Pope Francis told him God made him gay and his sexuality “does not matter”.

>Juan Carlos Cruz spoke privately with the pontiff last week about the abuse he suffered at the hands of a prominent Chilean priest.

>After his sexuality came up in conversation, Francis reportedly told him: “Juan Carlos, that you are gay does not matter. God made you like that and loves you like this and I don’t care. The Pope loves you like this. You have to be happy with who you are.”

>His abuser, Fernando Karadima, now 87, was found guilty by the Vatican of sexually assaulting children in 2011. He was barred from clerical duties and sentenced to a lifetime of “penance and prayer” but has never faced a criminal trial.

Sauce: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-god-made-gay-homosexuality-vatican-catholic-church-sex-abuse-chile-juan-carlos-cruz-a8360421.html

Disgusting

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>

lmao nice spook

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/Catholic/

I miss Alex.

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Farcry 5

Can someone who's played through this game explain what it's message is? Is it anti-christian or what?

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Melchizedek = Zoroaster?

Melchizedek = Zoroaster?

Possible link with Magi that came to Jesus in New Testament ???

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Fretting Confession

I'm joining an Orthodox church.I've had a very powerful experience of deliverance and I am repentant. But before this I had done some very awful and demonic deeds. The truth is, I don't know how I'll provide a faithful account when I finally confess to the priest. Please help me and pray for me.

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Christ Who is Our Life

Remember that Christ gave His life for YOU.

You and I aren't doing enough for Him.

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Undecided about Christianity

I was going to post this on /christian/, but this seems to be the better board. Hopefully I won't get banned for asking this since I'm completely serious

After some research I've decided to consider Christianity; however, I'm somewhat split over it. There are some things that are drawing me to it:

>God makes sense as "being" or "reality"

>Discourages egotism and material distractions through selfless acts

>Christ ascended and perfected himself by studying and becoming enlightened

>Chants are pretty good too

On the other hand:

>Used to encourage servitude to memes rather than being one with god

>Most become servants of the church and willingly accept human masters

>Some rules seem arbitrary and injected by external sources

>Faith often encouraged over rationality

>Arguments for Christianity replaced with carrot and stick conditioning of heaven and spooky-lava-meme-land

>Prayer basically gives god the role of an apathetic genie instead of being used as a method of meditation and connection with god

I'm on the fence here but I'm open to your thoughts.

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Misuse

Does using the word "ungodly" in my writing mean I've used God's name in vain?

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Dump

Here I will dump all religious related images I have, be them kosher shitpost or nazistic truth.

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muh subject

Going to my local mosque to convert to the one true faith tomorrow.

I'll stay home if you can convince me that the trinity isn't poop and Catholics shouldn't be taxed for pagan worship.

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trinity explained

hope that clears things up for you

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New Board?

/christian/ deletes all funposts and threads making the board boring and have less traffic(gone from top 3 to less than 9th).

/christ/ has no moderation and Gnostic faggots inhabit every corner.

New board when? Id be willing to moderate constantly as im a neet.

if nobody replies to this i guess ill just have to create the new board myself.

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when is the sabbath?

when is the sabbath? the sabbath is LITERALLY one of the 10 commandments. its a pretty big deal. one of the first sins against God that the jews started committing was not keeping the sabbath, that was their first major sin against God in the bible, i remember reading that somewhere.

but its so confusing and difficult to figure out. is it on sunday? is it on saturday? is the lunar sabbath correct? does it start at sunrise or sundown?

you know, our current calendar is NOT the biblical calendar. i dont know what is the biblical calendar, but our current one was changed multiple times, and whatever we have isnt related to the bible. the bible even has new moon days, and those arent celebrated either

i know the essenes had a solar calendar, but i heard somewhere that they kept the lunar sabbath. i also remember reading in some gnostic gospels that the lunar sabbath was sin. i DONT KNOW, please tell me when is the sabbath?

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Bad theology

What denominations actually believe this?

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Nihil personalem, diabolus

>teleports behind you

>"Vestri 'iam mortuum."

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Happy Easter!

Christ is Risen!

Jews and (((satan))) BTFO!

How will they ever recover?

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FEMALE MODS ON /CHRISTIAN/

The mods just seem to be getting worse and worse. How much longer till we leave this shithole forever and go somewhere else?

http://www.strawpoll.me/15066410

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Pslam 82

Pslam 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

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Women hate thread

>Genesis 3:16

>"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

>thou shalt bring forth children

> thy desire shall be to thy husband

>HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE

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What are you doing

Put your sword back in its place

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Catholics cannibals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Ma%27arra

If you eat meat eventually you will end up eating your brother

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Nag Hammadi library

anyone here read it

what you think

me: some truth, some nonsense

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Is this board foh real

I got banned from /christian/ because the mods are from reddit. You know the circle jerk and snobbery with no fun allowed rules while at the same time asking for praises and respect they don't deserve.

I want this to be my home board but i smell heresy, the discussions are too slow,and cery few members at all. I hope this improves.

I hope thia board isn't ironic or some crypto heretic hive

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Free permabans from /christian/

Don’t post these on /christian/ unless you wanna really piss off the mod team

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/christian/...

what's going on, big guy?