Moderation Thread
Hello, this thread is for any suggestions or complaints about the moderation. You can also use this as a way to contact the moderation rather than posting elsewhere in the board and simply hoping I will see it.
I had enabled the board log since the start of this board but I finally found out how to link it to non-moderation.
So: https://8ch.net/log.php?board=christ
Use that link to see what I have been doing and of course feel free to say something if you have concerns.
I would also like to take the opportunity to apologise for being so distant, I have been very busy and while I have tried to check the board at least once a day sometimes it has taken me a while to deal with things.
Thankyou and may God bless.
Current Rules
This board is for Christians of all denominations; that being said, people of other religions, agnostics, and atheists, are very welcome to post, ask questions, and debate with us if they so desire. Spam will be deleted. This board is also SFW.
God bless you all.
Why are there no openly anti-Zionist churches?
People are abandoning religion... oh, but, no, I'm still going to heaven
explain-this-shit.jpg
you know full well you're not at all surprised . . .
soon, there will be a time when people won't be able to believe religions, despite wanting to.
Outpourings of grief in reaction to terrorism
/christ/ you've got a bit of a philosophical bent (far more intelligible than the monkeys on that other board now prove me wrong)…
At the risk of alienating every ozfailian, and probably Parisian, and Murkin (just cuz) on this board … This pic, it was aaaaaaaall the pretty flowers hundreds-if-not-thousands of people ejaculated around the scene of an alleged terrorist act in Sydney a bit over a year ago:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/sydney-siege-gunman-two-hostages-dead/5969162
Why?
See, I can understand people going this apesh!t over Diana a few years ago because although it was creepy and insane, she was a celebrity and had LOTS of fangirls. And I can understand a few of the people in who regularly used that cafe thinking "eek that could have been me" leaving flowers, and, of course, people who knew the TWO victims, but the place probably only has two-or-three thousand customers, and surely not ALL of them are leaving flowers… And a mere TWO victims and enough flowers as though 9-11 had just happened. But, the same thing happened in Paris with flowers in great HEAPS. In fact, go-go-google "terrorism flowers" and you won't lack for hits – it's pretty-much the norm now.
Roll back the clock a hundred years (and you don't need to go that far) and people DID NOT leave great heaps of flowers for the Crown Prince assassinated in Sarajevo. In fact, one hundred years ago, Europe was under seige from pretty much the same kind of nutty stupidity of terrorism as it is now from anarchists bombing everything in sight.
So, explain that shit.
WHY do people feel the need to share in the grief of strangers? Is it, as I will contend, out of fear? Sure, there has been a hundred years of cultural shift since then that might explain it, but that only reinforces my point: a hundred years ago, God was in heaven and although people weren't exactly Christians, they were at least mostly deists still (with a thick Christian heritage), and still believed in the comfort and unity the idea of God brought. Not so much now.
2016 Election
It was only a matter of time.
Who do you like for president and why? You can obviously participate even if you are not American, as events in this country affect the entire world one way or the other.
Pic unrelated.
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t.benis
Why did the romans go through the effort of making an example of Jesus? You guys say that they didn't really have a beef with him and the only reason they killed him was because they were pressured by the kikes. If that's the case why did they go through with all the ugliness of torturing him instead of just stabbing him in the heart and nailing the corpse to a cross?
Is he in hell?
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Christian 'prophet' loses buttocks to hungry lions while doing 'God's bidding'
A Zion Christian Church prophet thought he was filled with the Holy Spirit when he charged at a pride of lions at the Kruger National Park.
A Zion Christian Church 'prophet', who claimed to be filled with the Holy Spirit, decided to challenge lions at the Kruger National Park, South Africa, to a battle.
Alec Ndiwane, a resident of Pretoria, was at the park with fellow church members, when he went into a trance and began speaking in multiple tongues, according to GhanaWeb.
The prophet and his colleagues were watching the animals when this happened. The lions were busy munching on their prey, when Ndiwane thought himself possessed opened the safari car door and ran towards the pride. It's no surprise that the lions felt threatened and took up the prophet on the challenge. Soon Ndiwane realised what was happening, and quickly turned around to run away. Unfortunately, the lions were faster and one of them reached close enough to snap her paws on him. Ndiwane sustained injuries to his buttocks.
The accompanying ranger is said to have fired his gun to scare the lions off and rush Ndiwane to the hospital where he underwent emergency surgery, said the report.
"I do not know what came over me," Ndiwane confessed. "I thought the Lord wanted to use me to show his power over animals. Is it not we were given dominion over all creatures of the earth."
The Age of the Atheists
Hi /christ/, I have something to tell you. I was once a fedora-tier deist and converted to Christianity later on, but I fear that I converted because of too shallow of a reason.
Well actually, I had more than one reason, even as a Deist, I always found Christianity to have a superior morality system from other philosophies and religions. I was raised Christian, but lost my way during my early teens and converted when I became 16 or so. I think that you helped me a lot when converting to Christianity, and it is because of browsing this board, that I thought about coming back to this religion. Although the main reason I became Christian, was because I realized one worrying pseudo-philosophical thing that I never noticed. The more I grew up, the more aware I became of how horrible the world itself is, and how many downright evil people are there. There is a lot of suffering, and ultimately, there is far more evil than there is good. I then realized, that without God, there will be people that might suffer their entire lives, and never get anything out of them, there are people who might destroy lives of others, and still get away with it, I could fail at life, die and just disappear. I started feeling horrible emptiness, and looking at how horrible the world was. I realized, that if I won't at least hope that God exists, I will go completely insane. So I started clinging to that hope, and eventually it became a belief. Wasn't that reason too shallow? What should I do to make my faith deeper?
Christian movies
So God is Not Dead 2 is coming out. Does anyone like the recent rush of Christian movies?
God cannot forgive you before you not forgive yourself
Just a reminder
Alright, /christ/, I'm coming here to ask a question about bibles.
First off, which KJ Bible should I get (I ask this because I'm aware that people have altered it)
Second, is there only one Catholic Bible, i.e., the Vulgate? Because I wanted to choose a Catholic one as well.
Finally, what bible does Orthodoxy use?
Why are you or aren't you an Orthodox Christian?
So why/why not? Myself I was born, baptized and raised Greek Orthodox and through learning and growing up I decide to maintain Orthodoxy though I tend to take my birth into it for granted. Also through discussion with Orthodox converts and arguments brought forth from Papists and Protestants alike I know that Orthodoxy is the answer.
street healing
oi whata youse cunts think of street healing?
The OT and the NT are actually allegorical from start to finish.
Did anyone else notice this after carefully reading the bible?
humour in the Bible
So this board's owner is of the opinion that God is a friend to christians and it is not blasphemy to have a laugh with Him.
But how much is it hinted at that God has a sense of humour in the Bible? Are there many funny stories in it?
I just read Genesis 9:21 and got a laugh out of it.
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Open-minded Atheist
So, I was raised somewhat Christian, and I always had trouble. I had Dennett's concept of belief in belief come up within me (independently of reading any atheist literature) and I was always worried that whatever I told myself, maybe on a deeper level I didn't really believe in Jesus, and I was tormented by fear of hell. I was also struggling with what I was supposed to believe, for example the story of Noah and the Ark was big in Bible school, because hey little kids like animals, but I was thought "there's no way that actually happened that way, there are too many animals, they wouldn't have been able to store the food, why wouldn't the predators eat all the other animals, this is bogus". So I had a spectrum of "this is an allegory" to "this literally happened" and the more I applied my reason, the more the stories shifted to the former, and the more I was afraid that I was really not a Christian. Then one day I picked up the God Delusion, and it was very persuasive, and I felt massively relieved. I didn't have to fear hell. I even joined the atheist club at college and made a lot of smart and interesting friends (IRL atheists are a lot less appalling than internet fedoras, though we had a few of those so I know what they're like). We even had a good relationship with the Christian club, and co-hosted a debate (we brought Matt Dilahunty, and they had someone who wasn't and experienced debater, both sides agreed that the atheists had won that debate). But anyway, as time has gone on, I see more and more that Christians are happy, and atheists are proud of being degenerate, they are mostly some form of hedonist, and I find that very hollow. A lot of Christians I encounter seem mostly better off, but I can't see a way to honestly become one. Even when I was nominally Christian I felt like an outsider. I don't know what I'm supposed to believe to feel like a Christian, or how I'm supposed to believe it when the evidence doesn't seem to go that way most of the time.
Odd Questions Thread:
In the book of Exodus,it seems implied that the Egyptian gods do exist,but hold no power over God, as demonstrated when he directly interferes with their domains with each of the 10 plagues.
Exodus 12:12
>For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.
Am I correct in assuming this?
Struggling with lust
The title is self explanatory, I've been battling with this for roughly a year now and it feels like I'm fighting something three times my height and with the strength of one hundred men.
I don't know what caused me to have a problem with lust, but I know for certain it wasn't porn that started this.
In a sense it feels like I'm winded and my legs are about to collapse under me. I'm abstinent and completely giving in would make me angry with myself and feel ashamed.
Any advice on how to tackle this beast?
Welcome /christ/, the satan(adversary) on /christian/ known as cuckvol made me sick so I left.
I even started a new board. /jehovah/ & /yehovah/
So now I will be a regular here and start spaming /christan/ with shit so that they migrate over here.
I dont know yet when I will be able to raid /christian/ because my home internet is down.
Hope we will grow bigger than the pre cuckvol /christian/
Masturbation thread
Alright /christ/ how have you been doing when it comes to masturbation and porn. I have been doing pretty well lately, I have managed to not to fap for 4 months now last time, I fapped was on new years eve. For me the first few days were hard but it got easier over time. Exercising helps and now i run 4 miles a day. Unfortunately I still see board partially due to browsing the chans. Also stories and tips and tricks welcome. We can all use each other's advice.
Why/christ/ ?
I figured that new anons who would come here will inevitably ask why there should be two christian boards on 8chan. A completely legitimate question in my opinion.
Therefore I tried to sum up the happenings that have lead to the founding of /Christ/. I see that this does not have to be the reason why the individual anon is here but it is the reason that this board exists. I also acknowledge that this summary can only describe the event how I experienced them and thus I do not claim that my version here is the only truth. Pls contribute and tell your story if you have experienced it differently.
While I agree that unsourced png/jpeg files are the best argument to prove your point I have provided sources for each picture so that no one has to take my word for anything.
If only a single anon can be convinced to staying here because of this I am more then satisfied. But tbh it was very funny to follow these old conversations anyway.
Best Regards
There IS hope for the middle east
Haven't seen this on /christ/, or any of our sister boards before, but I apologise if you've seen it. I'm a little slow.
I'm also, frankly, put to shame by a ten year-old. Quite a testament to her parents and/or community who must be amazingly faithful, but also to the Lord to have inspired such a young girl.
There's been a few follow-up videos where her faith is a little clearer. Here's two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkzCz7SFf5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn87iJztbkw
Again, sorry if you've seen it, but this site is flooded with nothing but vitriol and puffed chests about the middle east, I thought it important to emphasise just how many faithful Christians are still there in the place a few American Presidential hopefuls would like to turn into glass.
Original Sin and Penal Substitution Theory are the worst inventions of Western Christianity?
Discuss
Ask a Buddhist anything
Adventist thread.
who /adventist/ here
An anon on the other thread was interested about it so I made this thread.
so, what you think of it? do you love it? hate it? please leave a message in the box down below and suscribe. Eleno G Whito. Forever.
I've been curious about something for a while now and I wanted to leave you with a simple question:
Would you rather live in a 100% White country filled with pagans or a 100% non-White country filled with Christians?
Please give your honest answers, I am not intending any trolling.
p.s. I made the same post on /christian/
Infographz
Hello my brothers and sisters.
Lets keep the ball rolling
Revelation 20:4
>Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years
Why didn't God preserve the original NT manuscripts? Why aren't any of them signed? Why leave us shitty anonymous fragments dated hundreds of years later..
I can't believe these texts are inspired when none of them are signed, they are just copies of copies and they have thousands of variants between them. Studying the history of the gospels made me reject Christianity completely. I can't accept any religion that absolutely depends on an "inspired sacred text" and then doesn't preserve it and the copies aren't even signed and there's no archaeological evidence to support it.
Thoughts?
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Deus vult
On papal infallibility
Papal infallibilite is a Catholic doctrine that states that:
The pope is infallible when speaking in a matter of faith and invoking this infallibility, for instance in a decree of faith.
The reasoning behind it is that the Holy Spirit guids the whole Church which is why she cannot err as a whole. The pope as a representing and uniting figure can invoke this infallibility.
It does not mean that a pope is perfect and it also does not mean that a pope can never err. There can be really bad popes that are unworthy of the office and still be pope
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p4.htm
>889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium, "unfailingly adheres to this faith.
> 890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium's task to preserve God's people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:
> 891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council.418 When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed,"419 and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith."420 This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.421
> 892 Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a "definitive manner," they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful "are to adhere to it with religious assent"422 which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it.
Map autism thread :^)
I was investigating the endless www while looking for flags I could use. While I was at it I found some related maps that I want to share, I found them very interesting.
how many people of your own church/congregation/assembly that you attend do you think will make it to heaven?
explain why or why not they will enter.
What is your opinion on pedophilia?
Personally, I would hate pedophiles, but I am a logical thinker. Don't get me wrong, I am against child molestors, but being a pedophile does not make one a molestor.
Also, many anti pedos believe that child molestation is worse than murder, why do they continue to hold on to these falsehoods, I have never seen more anger than antis in a pedo thread.
What is your opinion?
The Cuckvol
The Cuckvol a.k.a. Catholic Mod is at it again over in /christian/. His latest power-trip is this weird "anti-/pol/ obsession", and he's claimed "anything that smells of /pol/" will be banned.
Newfags to the board ought to know this place was made precisely to escape just that kind of nonsense and the cuckvol was one of the main catalysts for the board's creation back during the Venezuelan Affair few moths back.
Welcome to /christ/. We love each other here, for real, and NO RULECUCKERY
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Jerusalem: City on 7 hills
JERUSALEM = BABYLON
http://searchinsany.hubpages.com/hub/Babylon-the-Great-the-Mystery-has-Already-been-Revealed
I don't know what you guys think, but mainstream Christianity would probably damn me for this.
Jerusalem is listed as one of the cities built on 7 hills.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_claimed_to_be_built_on_seven_hills
7 hills of Jerusalem
- The northern summit (hill) is called Scopus (Hill One)
- The middle summit (hill) was called Nob (Hill Two)
- The highest point of Olivet itself, and the southern summit (hill) was called in the Holy Scriptures the "Mount of Corruption" or "Mount of Offence" (Hill Three)
- On the middle ridge between the Kedron and the Tyropoeon Valleys there was (formerly) in the south "Mount Zion" (Hill Four)
- The "Ophel Mount" (Hill Five)
- To the north of that the "Rock" around which "Fort Antonia" was built (Hill Six),
- The southwest hill itself (Hill Seven)
Jerusalem - killer of saints and holy men
Jesus himself said of Jerusalem…
Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets
-Matthew 23:29-31
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
-Matthew 23:35
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you,
-Matthew 23:37
Jerusalem - Adorned in scarlet and gold / Killed by her lovers
And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; Your lovers despise you; They seek your life. I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child-the cry of the Daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands and saying, "Alas! I am fainting; my life is given over to murderers."
-Jeremiah 4:30-31
And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality
– Revelation 17:4
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
– Revelation 17:16
Jerusalem as Sodom and Egypt
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
- Revelation 11:8
And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city. 9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah. 10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
- Isaiah 1:8-10
I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
- Jeremiah 23:14
I would like to know what your opinion is? If I'm in grave error, please rebuke and correct me.
I believe we should pray for the Jews to open up to Christ and become believers. We have Jewish brothers and sisters in the Lord, so it's sad to hear mainstream evangelists like John Hagee calling it a waste of time.
Calling out the Jewish believers in Christ out of Jerusalem.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
- Revelation 18:4-5
Waiting for Godot
Will there come a time when all Christians will stop waiting for Godot? 10,000 AD, or 100,000 AD years after "I'm coming soon." How many years would need to pass for you to change your mind and decide to stop waiting because no one is coming?
Hell
I'm nearing a nervous breakdown due to ideas of Hell. I haven't washed in a month, shaved in many months, and I eat very little. The "fewness of the saved" worries me especially, and I haven't found an explanation or context to it that would suggest it was either contemporary, or something. The idea that most humans will be punished eternally is something I can't take, partly because of its potential reality, partly because if God does that, then my faith is dead and replaced by fear only.
I imagine being stuffed in some torture machine that will burn my skin, plant needles all over my body, have red-hot spikes penetrating my eyeballs endlessly, being choked for minutes at a time by some boiling vinegar. And this lasts forever. A century, ten centuries, ten million centuries, and ten million billion centuries, and at that point, it's not even begun. Even being a nice Ritz hotel room for so long would scare me to death. I can't handle it. I can't. I'm going to literally have a nervous breakdown and get institutionalised, and they'll all just laugh at my reason.
Considering my state, and my current inability to work (I went on holidays because of this crisis), I may turn myself in at a mental institution. It's that bad. I don't know what I'll tell them, though. I can't sleep anymore, I can't function, I can't live. I look like a drug addict, I've lost 30 kilos in a few months. I'm considering suicide too.
My faith has mostly turned into intense fear, and I don't see that as spiritual at all, but if that's how reality is, then that's that. I don't see how faith can be maintained with such terrifying conditions. Most of my friends and family will not convert, for instance, and even so, the "fewness of the saved" suggests that most of us won't make it, which also makes me question everything.
Witchcraft
Do witches exist, and did they ever have black cats and fly on brooms? Do you think wiccans are modern witches who can cast actual spells?
What are some good video games that are compatible with Christian morality? Or where you at least don't have to go against God's commandments? You could argue that video games in general are a waste of time and should not be played sure, but if you have to choose one game
Becoming a Catholic?
Catholic of /christ/, after learning more about the Catholic Church I know that it is the correct Christian denomination but how would I go about becoming a Catholic?
Depictions of God
What are your favorite depictions of God (The Father, Son, Holy Spirit, or all 3) in paintings, comics, TV shows, movies, etc..?
The Santa Clause Delusion
Does anyone on /christ/ see a problem with parents collaborating to deceive children into believe in Santa Clause? There is an argument that Santa Clause encourages kids to be less critical thinkers, and that the story is perpetuated more for the pleasure of parents than the children. Is it better for kids to know their parents gave the presents?
Lent
Hey /christ/. Today is Ash Wednesday. What are you giving up? doing anything special? Finally what do Protestants think about this?
ITT: Describe a book in the Bible using only a single image. Other anons try to guess what it is.
"Verily I tell you, if you had faith as small as a mustard seed, you could say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it would move. Nothing shalll be impossible for you."
-Matthew 17:20
So does this mean you people don't really believe or have faith deep down on a subconscious level?
WE NEED YOUR HELP
spread the word of /christ/ to the politics at /christian/ that need our help.
Spread the word
He is preventing His word
Antichrist will be Jewish
Scripture to prove a Jewish Antichrist.
1. In Ezek.21:25-27 we read: "and thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, Thus saith the Lord God; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high. I will overturn, overturn, overturn it: and it shall be no more until he comes whose right it is, and I will give it him." The dispensational place and scope of this passage, is not hard to determine. The time-mark is given in v.25: it is "when iniquity shall have an end." It is the End-Time which is in view, then, the End of the Age, when "the transgressors are come to the full" (Dan.8:23 and cf.11:36 – "Till the indignation be accomplished"). At that time Israel shall have a Prince, a Prince who is crowned (v.26), and a Prince whose day is said to be come when "iniquity shall have an end." Now, as to who this Prince is, there is surely no room for doubt. The only Prince whom Israel will have in that day, is the Son of Perdition, here termed their Prince because he will be masquerading as Messiah the Prince (see Dan.9:25)! Another unmistakable mark of identification is here given, in that he is expressly denominated "thou, profane wicked Prince" – assuredly, it is the Man of Sin who is here in view, that impious one who shall "oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God." But what should be noted particularly, is, that this profane and wicked character is here named "Prince of Israel." He must, therefore, be of the Abrahamic stock, a Jew!
2. In Ezek.28:2-10 a remarkable description is given us of the Antichrist under the figure of "the Prince of Tyrus," just as in vv.12-19 we have another most striking delineation of Satan under the figure of "the king of Tyrus." In a later chapter we hope to show that, beyond a doubt, it is the Antichrist who is in view in the first section of this chapter. There is only one thing that we would now point out from this passage: in v.10 it is said of him "Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised," which is a very strong hint that he ought not to die the deaths of the "uncircumcised" because he belonged to the Circumcision! Should it be said that this verse cannot apply to the Antichrist because he will be destroyed by Christ Himself at His coming, the objection is very easily disposed of by a reference to Rev.13:14, which tells of the Antichrist being wounded to death by a sword and rising from the dead – which is prior to his ultimate destruction at the hands of the Saviour.
3. In Dan.11:36, 37 we are told, "And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers." This passage, it is evident, refers to and describes none other than the coming Antichrist. But what we wish to call special attention to is the last sentence quoted – "The God of his fathers." What are we to understand by this expression? Why, surely, that he is a Jew, an Israelite, and that his fathers after the flesh were Abraham, Isaac and Jacob – for such is the invariable meaning of "the fathers" throughout the Old Testament Scriptures.
How many baptists are here that hold the bible as their absolute highest authority on all matters of faith and practice? I mean people who hold beliefs similair to Steven Anderson and such?
Open Borders
Are open borders a Christian imperative?
http://8ch.net/kjv/
A board for Protestants keen to discuss theology and doctrine. The board is solely about discussing serious matters. RC and EO are welcome, as well as atheists.
Incoming Wave of Migrants
I'm speaking of course of migrants from /christian/
Vol has gone off the deep end. Banning people for stupid reasons I was literally banned for sarcasm
ITT We discuss the origins and growth of the heretical movement known as Zionism
How did it gain so much ground?
If you're free the 24th.
If you're free on the 24th, and would be willing to make it to Oklahoma city, I'd appreciate it if you could at least read this post.
From 4:30pm to 6:15pm, a small group of Satanists are going to 'protest' The Virgin Birth by desecrating a statue of The Virgin Mary in front of The St. Joseph Old Cathedral at 307 NW 4th St.
According to the 1st amendment of the United States Constitution, they have every legal right to 'protest'.
But, by the same clause
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof .
Along with another clause
>Congress shall make no law prohibiting the right of the people to peacefully assemble.
There should be no issue if a group of people were to peacefully link arms together around the church.
This is my idea so far, but every person I've asked to join in either can't make it or doesn't want to join.
I can't link arms around a church by myself, and the pastor of the church is going to be holding a service inside, so I don't see much going on there.
You can message the pastor at
"http://www.stjosepholdcathedral.org/contact_us0.aspx"
I would appreciate that if you couldn't make it, you would at least share this withe someone who would.
Where is everyone
Posting and administration on this board is almost dead. Did people flee somewhere else? Is there a better community somewhere? Is there a good imageboard/forum someplace else? Or do we have to create it? Maybe a completely Christian chan?
The Beauty of God
Today the Lord our God blessed me heavily. For those who are struggling today and tomorrow and all days, I want to share the very, very few truly beautiful things I know of.
Share the glorious beauty of God's faithful and creations here.
Q&A thread
In this thread post any question you have regarding the faith, whether you're christian, or a agnostic, or a fedora.
All welcome.
What is the cause of all the anti-Semitism in the world?
Why does the world hate the Jews? Why is anti-Semitism so rampant in so many different nations? What is so bad about the Jews? History has shown that at various times over the last 1,700 years the Jews have been expelled from over 80 different countries. Historians and experts have concluded there are at least six possible reasons:
• Racial Theory – the Jews are hated because they are an inferior race.
• Economic Theory – the Jews are hated because they possess too much wealth and power.
• Outsiders Theory – the Jews are hated because they are different from everyone else.
• Scapegoat Theory – the Jews are hated because they are the cause for all the world’s problems.
• Deicide Theory – the Jews are hated because they killed Jesus Christ.
• Chosen People Theory – the Jews are hated because they arrogantly declare they are the “chosen ones of God.”
Is there any substance to these theories?
• With respect to the racial theory, the truth is that the Jews are not a race. Anyone in the world of any color, creed or race can become a Jew.
• The economic theory citing that the Jews are wealthy doesn’t hold much weight. History has shown that during the 17th through the 20th centuries, especially in Poland and Russia, the Jews were desperately poor and had very little, if any, influence in business or political systems.
• As for the outsiders’ theory, during the 18th century, the Jews desperately tried to assimilate with the rest of Europe. They had hoped that assimilation would cause anti-Semitism to disappear. However, they were hated even more by those who claimed the Jews would infect their race with inferior genes. This was especially true in Germany prior to World War II.
• As for the scapegoat theory, the fact is that the Jews have always been hated, which makes them a very convenient target.
• As for the idea of deicide, the Bible makes it clear that the Romans were the ones who actually killed Jesus, though the Jews acted as accomplices. It wasn’t until a few hundred years later that the Jews were cited as the murderers of Jesus. One wonders why the Romans are not the ones hated. Jesus Himself forgave the Jews (Luke 23:34). Even the Vatican absolved the Jews of Jesus’ death in 1963. Nevertheless, neither statement has diminished anti-Semitism.
• As for their claim to being the “chosen people of God,” the Jews in Germany rejected their “chosen-ness” status during the later part of the 19th century to better assimilate into German culture. Nevertheless, they suffered the Holocaust. Today, some Christians and Muslims claim to be the “chosen people” of God, yet for the most part, the world tolerates them and still hates the Jews.
This brings us to the real reason by the world hates the Jews. The apostle Paul tells us, “For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!” (Romans 9:3-5). The truth is that the world hates the Jews because the world hates God. The Jews were God’s firstborn, His chosen people (Deuteronomy 14:2). Through the Jewish patriarchs, the prophets, and the temple, God used the Jews to bring forth His Word, the Law, and morality to a world of sin. He sent forth His son, Jesus the Christ, in a Jewish body to redeem the world of sin. Satan, the prince of the earth (John 14:30; Ephesians 2:2), has poisoned the minds of men with his hated of the Jews. See Revelation 12 for an allegorical depiction of Satan’s (the dragon’s) hatred of the Jewish nation (the woman).
Satan has tried to wipe out the Jews through the Babylonians, the Persians, the Assyrians, the Egyptians, the Hittites, and the Nazis. But he’s failed every time. God is not finished with Israel. Romans 11:26 tells us that some day all Israel will be saved, and this cannot come to pass if Israel no longer exists. Therefore, God will preserve the Jews for the future, just as He has preserved their remnant throughout history, until His final plan comes to pass. Nothing can thwart God’s plan for Israel and the Jewish people.
Welp, may as well. I'd like to have a bit of discussion/debate.
I'm an atheist. This is because I don't believe in god. I don't believe in god because I don't see enough evidence for god to exist, nor do I see any way to have epistemological standards such that I should believe that god exists. For example, I don't see any way to justify faith in Christianity, considering I have to justify that faith over faith for other religions, so I don't accept faith as a standard of evidence.
I don't accept any arguments for god's existence that I've seen. I don't accept the proof of Christ's divinity, namely because there's no good evidence of it. The best is some schlock about how nobody ever came out and made a public record denying that Christ came back from the dead (or at least none that we are aware of).
I mean, I could go through the arguments for god's existence? I really don't know. The distance from where I am and belief in god is kind of crazy. What should I be looking at? Anyone have something to bring up?
>MMXVI
>Tamen credens efficiámur divinitátis consórtes
>cfm
Atheist philosophers you respect.
Hello /christ/, I'm an atheist (DUN DUN). But seriously, are there any atheist writers that you respect? On a side note, what is the strongest argument against atheism by a christian (or any of religion) philosopher? Quite new to philosophy, so I want to challenge my atheistic beliefs.
Favorite verses
Hi /christ/ what are some of your favorite verses in the bible, and why?
12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. James 1:12
The verse means a lot to me, because i read it as, keep pushing on, and never give up. I remember the verse when I deal with depression and life doesn't seem worth living.
Anyone Left?
Is there any one left in this God-forsaken place?
how do you read?
Christians or non Christians I want your opinion.
Summarize or debate the letter of Romans chapter 7&8.
Paul is a biblical author which is responsible for the biggest part of church life and doctrine.
Tell me what you can read out of this passage and how you agree or disagree with Paul or the interpretations of your fellow brothers.
Dreams
We've been going back on forth about dreams on the demon thread, because I mentioned doing lucid dreaming. Let's start a thread where we talk about dreams.
https://8ch.net/christ/res/4470.html#q5647
To start off, does anyone here regularly have religious dreams? Messages in the bible have sprung from interpretations of dreams.
Our assumptions also affect our dreams - I used to frequently have Christian themed nightmares of armageddon and hell, or of monsters while I was younger. Dreams are rich in symbols and emotions, and I used to keep a dream journal and spend time trying to figure out 1) whether God was giving me a message or an omen - a future dream. 2) whether my subconscious was trying to tell me something. As an adolescent I have had dreams woke up from the stress of feeling tested by an external entity, and I have also woken up because I laughed too much in a dream. (A relative had made string puppets out of macaroni and was making them dance on a counter top.)
When I grew older the childhood monsters mostly went away as the dreams became more grounded, and since I'm an Atheist, I'd be lucky to remember having a dream with Christian imagery in a year. Most of my dreams today instead are harmless, and involve returning to places I've been. Sometimes they're even populated with characters from a framework I use for story writing, i.e. my "inner universe." The very best dreams are when I am one of the characters from one of my stories, because I can act and live out my favorite story, and feel refreshed and inspired to write about new ideas when I wake up.
Pic is from yume nikki, a story about a girl who explores her messed up dreams.
Answer to Shinto
How would you guys demonstrate Shinto is wrong?
did god have a wife?
Manuscript making: just destroying my social life
I've recently decided to start a project that'll be somewhat of a large undertaking: Making a complete manuscript of the bible.
Mostly I want to do this because I find the art and style of ancient bibles is just… amazing. Their beautiful.
But sadly, my modern version won't be as good just on material basis, as I want to make a true manuscript that's capable of lasting hundreds of years; which is something that's very hard to do with paper and modern inks, whereas animal membrane and ink black work best.
Anyone else ever become enamored with the idea of making something for the glory of god? Currently I'm working on my script work before I get parchment paper and paints, but if anyone's interested, I'll post picture updates and we could all discuss christian arts that are no longer as common as they should be.
> pic related, but not mine
Youtube
Post some youtube channels you like.
Best also provide an explanation why you like them and what they're about
pic unrelated
Moral Decay: Quit You Like Men
Brothers in Christ, keep watch, stand firm in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.
Feminism and sodomy are the most visibly destructive aspects of modernity. If the devil has his way every Christian will be killed and these filthy reprobates will dance on our grave. This is a time for peace, but also a time for war. I time to heal, a time to kill. We must wage spiritual warfare against the enemy and slay them with the Word of God.
Lift up your voice like a trumpet, show to the people their sins.
/Christian/
Is anyone else having problems getting into /Christian/? It has gotten so small and neglected these past few months. I can't get in at all now and I think it might even be locked. Has it totally collapsed? Has /Christian/'s infighting finally destroyed it?
Anyone here familiar with the Unity Church? I first thought they were Unitarians, but they are apparently quite different, probably too heretic for some here though.
𝔼𝕩𝕡𝕝𝕒𝕚𝕟 𝕋𝕣𝕚𝕟𝕚𝕥𝕪 𝕥𝕠 𝕒 𝕟𝕠𝕟-𝕓𝕖𝕝𝕚𝕖𝕧𝕖𝕣 𝕚𝕟 𝕠𝕟𝕖 𝕞𝕚𝕟𝕦𝕥𝕖.
Hezbollah Shia and Christian United
New Hezbollah video of Christian militia
I thought you might find this interesting
Long live Nasrallah
Long live Hezbollah
zoroastrianism and revelation
Discuss which religion influenced the other more?
Properties of zoroastrianism:
>Good god vs evil deity
>son of god born of a virgin will purify the world
>burning fiery river to perish the wicked, (or hell), eternity with god for the good
>Final judgement
Wikipedia reads like revelation:
>The yazatas Airyaman and Atar will melt the metal in the hills and mountains, and the molten metal will then flow across the earth like a river. All mankind—both the living and the resurrected dead—will be required to wade through that river, but for the righteous (ashavan) it will seem to be a river of warm milk, while the wicked will be burned. The river will then flow down to hell, where it will annihilate Angra Mainyu and the last vestiges of wickedness in the universe.
Pastor Steven Anderson
What does /christ/ think of Pastor Steven Anderson? Reviled and scorned by the left, the homosexuals, the feminists and the Jews, he's gained popularity among the more reactionary and traditionalist elements of the chan. Conversely, many feel that his preaching style is counter-intuitive, and dispute the validity of his biblical interpretation.
What is your position on this controversial and influential figure?
Dreams
I had a dream, in it there was a very beautiful girl who told me to become a Christian, I woke up right after she told me this. I am just wondering if I would be crazy to follow what a dream told me.
Have any of you had dreams which were religious in nature?
Christian Australians Making an Agrarian Community
Christian Australians Making an Agrarian Community
What is Agrarianism?
Agrarianism is the belief that agricultural living is the only true way to achieve true
independence and self-sufficiency.We believe that social, physical and spiritual health
are best preserved within a community that is intimately involved with cultivation.
What kind of Christians is this for?
This is a pan-Christian movement, but modernists are excluded. This movement is for
traditional Christians who wish to preserve the faith.
What does this movement aim to achieve?
The goal of this group is to create a self-sufficient, off-grid, permacultural, traditional
Christian community in either Victoria, New South Wales or Tasmania.
Building an off-grid house is cheap and relatively easy - the only real obstacles are
funding, planning and building.
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Owner names: Mcpherson (Baptist), Ioann (Orthodox)
Join the Skype chat: add "willymcpherson" or "shank.poinglot1"
Time to rebuild our base. We shouldn't fight over which Church is the best for now, but focus on having again a christian board now that old one had a takeover.
MERRY CHRISTMAS /christ/
Didn't know gnostics and mormons didn't celebrate Christmas
But anyways have a good one!
𝕲𝖊𝖓𝖊𝖗𝖆𝖑 𝖕𝖚𝖗𝖕𝖔𝖘𝖊 𝕰𝖒𝖆𝖓𝖚𝖊𝖑 𝕾𝖜𝖊𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖇𝖔𝖗𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖉.
Christmas proselytizing
Why do you guys like to bother your Atheist relatives around Christmas time?
Race
Time to break out Genesis, lads.
Let's talk about race from a biblical perspective.
Anyone on here interested in the Nag Hammadi writings?
Orthodoxy
Orthodox here.
Hey Catholics, quit it with this sin and confession nonsense.
You're nothing but mere mortal men, who gave you the right to govern and judge others? Are you god? Incorruptible unlike the rest of us? No man is without sin nor flaw. Understand this, and you'll go far.
In our church, we believe that a relationship with god is personal, and that the bible was written also by mere men. The bible to us is nothing more than a collection of moral stories to preach basic ethics and morals. This, along with the values of jesus christ himself are our core tenants.
Also being native orthodox, I am happy to answer all questions any of you may have about our ancient, mysterious and misunderstood church and way of life.
If we believe in anything, it's education.
Refugee from /christian/
Well guess i'm gonna be posting here from now on. Based on the two /christian/ threads it doesn't seem like anyone else cares about this, though.
Joel 3 and replacement theology
Can someone quantify this chapter with Replacement/Covenant theology, which posits that Jews are not God's chosen people anymore?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel%203&version=KJV
I can't find any more info on it, and can't seem to quite explain (mainly) verse 2 where it talks about divided land.
I hope someone smarter than me has an answer, I am debating someone at the moment (a christian zionist) who is using this chapter to dismiss me. Unless of course, I am wrong…
Getting ready for mass
Merry Christmas!
With Christmas eve almost to the states, and Christmas day not far to follow for everyone else, let's have a Christmas thread! Post music, stories, traditions. Embed related is a favorite Christmas song of mine no, I don't know why the score is ahead of the sound. God bless you all. Today is a day for rejoicing!
What does /Christ/ thinks of the Crusades?
Do we need another one? Are you against it?
Tell me what you think about it.
ADVERT
God bless you, /christ/. Why don't you stop by at /philosophy/ to offer logical proofs for the existence of God? Proselytize and be merry!
>yfw god exists
Dating Girls Outside of One's Faith Part I
/christ/ians, do you think it is appropriate to date or marry girls from outside your own denomination? Does your church have an official position on this?
What are some of the challenges that may be expected, from your won perspective, when dating an outsider to your faith? If you've any experience on the subject, please share.
In a hypothetical scenario in which conversion is an impossibility, would you date? Why or why not? 1. Catholic 2. Orthodox 3. Protestant ( Conservative) 3. Protestant (Liberal) 3. Seventh Day Adventists 4. Mormon 5. Asatru 6. Muslim 7. Buddhist 8. Atheist 9. Agnostic 10. Jehova's Witness 11. Christian Identity 12. Eastern Christian 13. Jewess (of any kind) 14. Scientologist (either mainstream or Free Thetan)
Feel free to add any to the list
/christ/ fun thread
Evolution, Creationism and Dinosaurs
It is most likely that the vast majority on this board are Creationist. Before that is misinterpreted, if you believe that God played any role whatsoever in creating life, you are a Creationist; the question remains: what kind?
What are your personal beliefs on the subject of how humans came to be?
More importantly, how essential is knowledge of these events in terms of one's spiritual well-being?
Also, Dinosaurs, what's up with that?
Based Oneness Pentecostal here.
Ask me anything.
General purpose Christian furry thread.
Any more of us here?
Welcoming Greek Orthodox Brother
If all goes well, we should have a visitor very soon, so let's give him a warm welcome!
He's a Greek Orthodox and he also paints churches, pic-related.
Everybody say hi!
Televangelism
So tell me about televengalists. Why are they so big in the US but nowhere else? Except for latin America maybe.
Do you like them or think that they are a fraud?
I personally think that we should of course use all media to evangelise, hence the presence on h8chan, but why do the televengalists I know of suck so much? Do you know any that are worthwhile?
Terms from the "angelic" part of Ars Goetia
Well since this board is pretty active now, I can aswell repost my post from currently dead (created by /int/, as more menetic-oriented) board >>/goodchristian/846
>>2538 Here I have mentioned:
>Also funfact about Goetia - What you know as "Ars Goetia" is just part of 3, "the Lesser Key of Solomon" is about Demons (and some Devils), but there was also part about Angels and natural spirits (like nymphs, fairies, etc, mediaeval monsters)
>I have not found lists of the other 2 thought. This, as complete thing, is the "Ars Goetia".
Well, I have found something related to the angelic part of it, here is explanation of few terms appearing there, as the thread is not literal to it's name and they only post "somekind of a prayer" (ritual?) with them mentioned.
(Original post here >>/goodchristian/846 , read it to see all the terms)
Those ending in -el or -on are angels btw, -im is a plural form of something.
Haioth - Hayyot/Chayot HaKodesh, in Jewish hierarchy of angels it's the highest angelic rank, means "the Living ones". They were described in Ezekiel as a chimaera looking creature, but are mostly associated with Cherubim (both Hayyot and Cherubim exists in Maimonides' Angelic hierarchy independently tho)
Methratton - Metatron, Voice of God, his name is of uncertain origin and meaning (just like Sandalphon's), check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron#Etymology . He's believed to have more names tho, and there are more spellings, like this one.
>Iehovah - Jehovah, I am who I am (Lord). The closest spelling of original YHVH was Jahwe, Jehovah was created by Masoretes who added vovels to Hebrew (at least that's what I was told on religion lessons in high school by Priest), omnitting saying God's name in an accident they incorporated vowels of Adonai (Lord) instead
>Ophanim - Thrones (some see them as distinct), the Wheels or Many-eyed ones
>Iophiel - Jophiel, Beauty of God
>Elohim - Elohim - God (shown in plural form, gods), as God spoke himself in the majestic/monarchic manner (like European monarchs), other see these "gods" as angels in Genesis (so as in fact that angels have created human on their likeness, but it's a too-far reaching hypothesis, you can even fit Gnostic Demiurge Jaldabaoth as the devil who took part in the creation of the evil side of human, I'm not excluding the possiblity that some angels who have fallen later like in Grigori uprising took part in human's creation), as there's rank Elohim and Bene-Elohim in Jeiwish angelic hierarchy and angels were called by this title in the history (that what I was told by one Israeli, so don't take it as a fact)
>Aralim - Erelim, rank of angels, I think equated with second choir in Christian angelic hierarchy (or Archangels and Principalities). Means the Valiant/courageous ones
>Hashmalim - Rank of angels from Jewish hieirarchy, means Elektrons in Latin Vulgata, Amber in English, name of electricity (also in modern Hebrew) was derived from them
>Seraphim - The Burning ones, highest rank of angels in Christian classification
>Camael - He who Sees God
>Tetragrammaton - Consisting four letters, a Greek term. Means YHVH (Jehovah) as the composition itself.
>Raphael - God is Healing, God has Healed or Healing one of God.
>Sabaoth - One of God's titles or names is Jehovah Elohe Sabaoth (Jehovah God of Hosts), Sabaoth means Hosts, Armies, there was an angel Sabaoc mentioned by Frankish mystic/charlatan Adalbert. Sabaoth was also one of Gnostic Archons, who were either see as benevolent or malovelent type of Angels, depending on interpretation of sect (don't take >>>/fringe/'s view on this, they take the version where Demiurge, Archons, and everything related to them are pure evil, but it's not rly how historical Gnostics and even Christian Gnostics saw that), more on this there: http://z8.invisionfree.com/Megadriel/index.php?showtopic=367
>Haniel - Glory of God
>Michael - Who is like God?
>Cherubim - The Mighty ones, term derived from Akkadian, the Hayyots from Ezekiel are often identified/associated as Cherubim
>Gabriel - Strong one of God, God is my strenght, Hero of God, Man of God, God has shown Himself Mighty
§ 26. The Peter of History and the Peter of Fiction.
>If the claims of the papacy cannot be proven from what we know of the historical Peter, there are, on the other hand, several undoubted facts in the real history of Peter which bear heavily upon those claims, namely:
That in the Council at Jerusalem (Acts 15:1–11), Peter appears simply as the first speaker and debater, not as president and judge (James presided), and assumes no special prerogative, least of all an infallibility of judgment. According to the Vatican theory the whole question of circumcision ought to have been submitted to Peter rather than to a Council, and the decision ought to have gone out from him rather than from "the apostles and elders, brethren" (or "the elder brethren," 15:23).
That Peter was openly rebuked for inconsistency by a younger apostle at Antioch (Gal. 2:11–14). Peter’s conduct on that occasion is irreconcilable with his infallibility as to discipline; Paul’s conduct is irreconcilable with Peter’s alleged supremacy; and the whole scene, though perfectly plain, is so inconvenient to Roman and Romanizing views, that it has been variously distorted by patristic and Jesuit commentators, even into a theatrical farce gotten up by the apostles for the more effectual refutation of the Judaizers!
That, while the greatest of popes, from Leo I. down to Leo XIII. never cease to speak of their authority over all the bishops and all the churches, Peter, in his speeches in the Acts, never does so. And his Epistles, far from assuming any superiority over his "fellow-elders" and over "the clergy" (by which he means the Christian people), breathe the spirit of the sincerest humility and contain a prophetic warning against the besetting sins of the papacy, filthy avarice and lordly ambition (1 Pet. 5:1–3). Love of money and love of power are twin-sisters, and either of them is "a root of all evil."
Esoteric Christianity / Inner Christianity
I wish to speak of Esoteric Christianity, also known as Inner Christianity. . .
In my quest for spiritual understanding and service, I have discovered many a great book and website that wended my Way towards what I have sought. Now, I do not claim to be any occult master, apostle or even someone who has become that which I will espouse you soon. I am an aspirant who has journeyed for quite some time and who believes it is my time to share what I have found, for “whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
In my current understanding, Esoteric Christianity focuses on the following points;
>. . . to become Christ-consciousness (higher self) incarnate, that is, to embody the Spirit, and. . .
>. . . to transcend the lower animal nature (flesh) and live from one's higher spirit nature (water and spirit). . .
>. . . and these two can be achieved only by mastering one's consciousness by maintaining a state of positive lucidity, that is, a state of high awareness accompanied by positive emotions and thoughts
>. . . to become closer to and follow one's intuition (gnosis), the voice of the Spirit, the guidance of one's Christ-consciousness
>. . . to serve others and become a true Christian (a person who manifests one's Christ-consciousness)
>. . . and other things left unsaid
It may sound quite amazing, but I believe it can be done. The Christian message is to me a gnostic, Hermetic message - but ultimately a Christian message. With the help of the literature I am to share, I wish to inspire my brothers and sisters and be of some sort of service to you.
The literature I have chosen is to me practical and inspirational; I have tried to avoid obscurant mysticism for it does not resonate with me and is difficult to grasp. I aim for practicality, validity; and with this aim I wish to work.
Do not accept the words you will read; listen to your heart, your intuition, and confirm it with your mind, only then will you find the Truth. Take that which resonates with your being and leave the rest. With this message I will begin the sharing, so mind a while. . .
Pope says: "Don't convert Jews"
Doesn't this go against the idea of preaching the gospel as Jesus would have wanted? The pope basically said the New Testament is unnecessary to get into heaven/avoid hell. He might as well go further and tell all missionaries to stay home.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-jews-idUSKBN0TT1BK20151210
Encountering a demon
Between the ages of 4 - 7 I would see a demon that took the form of a massive wolf. It's eyes had a deathly pale glow, and when it opened its mouth I heard horrific screams. Sometimes it would say shit in some weird language that I didn't understand and the language didn't sound anything worldly in any way. When I was 12 I saw it in a dream and killed it. Haven't seen it since then, but it still scares the shit out of me when I think about it.
Even though I haven't seen it in years, my thoughts have become darker since then.
Is it truly gone /christ/ or is it somewhere out there still?
The Mormon gold plates are found.
What will your reaction be?
What is a seared conscience?
First Timothy 4:1-2 says, "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared." What does it mean for a person to have a seared conscience?
The picture given by the apostle Paul is one in which a person's conscience or convictions have been desensitized. Through repeated exposure to evil, a person's sense of right and wrong can become numb to the point that a person can no longer easily distinguish between good and evil.
Isaiah condemned his readers for this type of spiritual insensitivity, saying, "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20). In Isaiah's case, this way of life would result in judgment to God's people (Isaiah 5:26-30).
In 1 Timothy 4, we see that "some will depart from the faith." This indicates that those who call themselves Christians or are at least associated with Christianity will leave it. Instead, they will be devoted to demonic and deceitful teachings that will come through insincere liars with a warped sense of morality.
These words serve as a warning for believers in two ways. First, as believers we must develop a mind that is focused on the things of God rather than the ways of this world. This includes prayer (1 Timothy 2:1-2), growing in God's Word (Psalm 1:1-3), community with other believers (Hebrews 10:25), sharing the gospel (Matthew 28:18-20), and serving others in need (Acts 2:44-45).
Second, we are warned against following false teachings. Jude 1:3 also adds, "Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." We are to both live godly lives and stand against ungodly teaching. In 1 Timothy 1:3-4, Timothy was left at the church in Ephesus to keep people from teaching "any different doctrine" or unhealthy teaching. A vibrant Christian faith is one that is both growing in God's grace and defending against false teachings.
When we draw near to God, He draws near to us (James 4:8). Activities that move us farther away from God or desensitize our heart toward God should be removed. This can include how much television we watch or the kind of content we consume, books we read, the websites we view, or even video games we play. In this way, we will avoid a seared conscience and live in a way that pleases God and changes the lives of others.
Just a question, what Christian in their right mind would be spending time on 8chan of all things. I could consider myself Christian but I'm pretty half-assed at it. I just believe in God and Jesus. I don't really practice jack.
Space Colonization
Is the concept of colonizing other worlds compatible with Christianity, particularly Revelations and the 2nd coming of Christ?
Mormons!
Since we actually have Mormons amongst us nowadays, let's have a thread about the LDS Church.
I'll kick this off by making a list of questions/remarks of my own about the LDS faith. Before anything, I mean no offense to anyone (as usual) but I want to be straightforward about my current opinion so that you can respond to me knowing full well what my opinion/knowledge is. Feel free to correct me on anything, I'm telling you what I know (wrongly or correctly), I don't assume to be perfectly educated on the faith.
1. My main problem with Mormons, and the reason why I don't consider you "Christians", is that you reject the Nicene Creed and mainly the divinity of Christ, which, to me, is what makes Christianity stand out from all other religions, in the most magnificent way. That said, I won't go out of my way to tell you you're not Christians, I don't mind that you call yourselves Christians, but we define it very differently.
2. You have many Gods, and I can't into polytheism. You believe each human is called to be a God eventually, and that our God was likely a human too, in another universe, who became a God and created his own. My question is then this: why worship the God immediately above you and not the God who must have started everything? Cosmological Argument and all, there had to be a first cause, a first God, so why not worship Him, since of all the Gods, He is the only real God, since He didn't have to become God but was all along? This one is probably the main reason why I cannot even consider the Mormon faith. My God can't be a secretary of a secretary of a secretary to the real God, from whom I would be forever disconnected with no hope of ever meeting Him.
3. Prophets. You supposedly have prophets that God speaks to. I know very little about that, but I doubt God actually speaks to this man. If He does, I then start thinking it's comparable to Mohammed, who was probably contacted by a demon pretending to be Gabriel, but since I have no knowledge of what your prophets say, I'll abstain from further comment.
4. Your new scriptures are wrong about the Indians of America being Jewish, this much was proven genetically.
5. More generally, the whole translating the golden codex with two stones and such (I forget the details) sounds crazy, especially with the context (text being stolen, but then God supposedly says not to try that one again because whoever has the original might try to fake mistakes to come out and say it's all a fraud, so God entirely gives up on that version of the new scripture and delivers another…)
6. As a Christian, I feel like Mormonism tends to discredit Christianity by stating that we can add more to it and that Orthodox, Catholics, Protestants (of which you are, technically), are nothing but steps in an evolution.
7. Magic underwear. I hear about this often but I don't even know what to ask about them. What's the deal?
8. Temples. They look badass, what's the inspiration from and what's inside them?
9. In my impression, Mormons tend to be great people with excellent values; is this a fair generalisation of Mormons or did I just get lucky and met only nice ones?
That's about it for now. I hope I haven't sounded hostile to you Mormons. Please believe my intentions are good. Also know that I used to have an LDS friend, who gave me your new scriptures, which I've read entirely (a long time ago). At the time, I virtually considered the faith simply because it seemed more alive than other Christian faiths, and I didn't know much about LDS, just my Utah friend. She has since then stopped being a Mormon, became a lesbian instead, and obese. Many of the young Mormons I knew have stopped being Mormons as far as spirituality was concerned.
I hope this thread will be enlightening to us non-Mormons, and at least friendly to everyone. Everyone stay cool, and remember that different opinions doesn't mean we can't retain a Christian and loving brotherhood, despite our differences.
Apologetics training
I'm curious how many of you took courses or were trained in this? How many of you have sat in an auditorium and listened to a formal debate between a Christian and a non-Christian on the existence of Yahweh?
Question for protestants
Messianic here, actually dont like to call myself messianic, because so many drift into judaism.
So I give you a simple question I would like to have a reasonable talk about.
Why do you guys celebrate the "Christian" holidays?
Many people consider them pagan or at least of pagan origin. Does this not bother you?
Are the feasts fundamental for your faith?
or could you arrange yourself with a switch to the hebrew feasts of the bible?
Circumcission, aesthetics of
The aesthetics of circumcision
1) Do you prefer circumcised penises? Aesthetically speaking?
2) Would you prefer female genitalia be "circumcised" or mutilated or modified as used to be done in the middle-east, and is still done in Africa? Aesthetically speaking?
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/16/what-is-female-genital-mutilation-circumcision-us
You can google "female circumcision before and after" for pictures. It ranges from removing some of the lips and the flesh over the clit, or removing basically everything (including the clit). Sometimes its stitched up and the man has to break the stitches for sex which is painful, but proves she kept her chastity!
There is also an opposite African tradition of attaching weights to the labia to make the inner lips lengthen and stretch out of the vagina over time. It starts to look a bit more like a penis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labia_stretching
Personally I find it funny how parents make the deicision calling it "traditional" and when you press them, they switch to saying "cosmetic" which implies they plan to look at their kid's dick a lot. And they say, "Back off government! It's my choice to make as a parent and no one else's business! My kid's dick is my property!"
The same logic could let you force your daughter to have breast implants for aesthetics. But aesthetics are subjective, and the aesthetics of the kid's future partner might not match that of the parent. It makes you wonder if the parent has already decided who will be the future lover of the child, possibly while looking in a mirror.
Is there a reason why Pentecostals and other radical Evangelicals are so poorly represented - and more or less despised - on here and /christian/? I find it surprising, i thought they'd be a major presence, but it seems most here look down upon them.
what do you guys think of /r/christianity? It seems to be a liberal theology circlejerk to me.
Other Dominations and Damnation
So I know that the inter-Christian denomination battles are fun and all, with all Protestants being filthy heretics, Catholics being Papist worshiping idolaters, Mormons and their 47 wives, and Orthodoxy being ignored and irrelevant, but all kidding aside now, do you see salvation coming to those outside of your denomination?
Personally, and this is coming from one of those dirty heretical Protestants I see the differences in denominations less important than faith in Christ. And let's face it, the churches all over are being attacked both inside and out, from the targeted attacks on Christians all over the world, the "Chosen People" and Zionism infecting Protestant churches, the controversy with the Pope and the inner conflicts with the Vatican, how closely tied the Russian Orthodoxy Church is with the Kremlin, I have no clue about the going-ons with the LDS churches, maybe a Mormonbro could enlighten me, and you can't forget about the
SWEDEN YES
lesbian bishop wanting to remove crosses and install Muslim prayer rugs. I think it is more important to come together to unite under Christ to fight for Christ rather than one another over difference in doctrine.
I don't want to turn this into a "Which denomination is the true denomination" thread, but rather, do you see your brothers in Christ, but of a different denomination, being saved at the end of days? Is a different denomination as big a deal, as say, compared to a different religion to you? Curious as to what the board users feel about this.
East orthodox habits
I asked this in /Christian/ and as you would expect I got no serious replies.
So I came here, since I'm under the impression that /Christ/ is able to take things seriously.
I'm curious as to why orthodox monks, Catholic bishops, cardinals and Coptic Christians wear hats? They wear them praying, despite Paul saying that it dishonours a persons head and therefore God, since Christ is the head of every man.
Anybody know why?
Why is this tolerated? And what do the Catholics here think about it?
Christian symbolism
Are there any particular symbols you like?
What's you favourite cross?
Also discuss christian symbolism.
I like this one, will provide some more input later on, if no one else wants to start.
ProtLARPers
>my name is Martinzzi Lutherozzen, a level 3 Chaotic Good Dark Elf cleric
>i am a tortured rebel, hunted and persecuted by the corrupt priests of the drow god J'zus C'rrzzt
>i wrote my own chaotic good scriptures and liberated a maiden sworn to evil sex-negative virginity in the service of the dark god C'rrzzt so i could fuck her
>my lawful good buddy Iohannes Calvinius, level 7 paladin, has a stronghold where he executes anyone who serves the dark god and preaches evil things like "repentance" or "morality"
>prots
Hello brothers and sisters, good morning.
Todays a very, very important day here. Venezuela is going to vote the new parliament and its the opportunity for us to change this rotten system.
Theres already anxiety since both parties have assured that their party is going to win, and that they wont recognize the other. The past elections were about a year ago and there were more than 40 deaths afterwards, this one has all the signs that it will go worse.
Im preparing myself to do another queue of about 4-6 hours, but at least its for voting and not for 1 kilo of rice.
Pray for Venezuela m8s
Lets pray the commies away.
the religion of humanity
The religion of humanity started when a guy loved a smart Catholic girl, but she was married, rejected him, and then died. Somehow being cucked inspired a greiving man to create the ulitmate cuck religion. It is described as Catholicism minus Christianity, and fanatically focuses on altruism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_humanity#
Thoughts? What would Jesus say?
The Christian Hijab
"Paul" said women should cover their heads. All Amish do this all the time. Should all Christians be copying Islam?
/ref/ - Reformed General
A thread from the Reformed Protestants of this board.
Invited:
- Presbyterians
- Reformed Baptists
- Lutherans
- Calvinists
- Evangelicals
Welcome:
- Anyone looking to discuss Reformed theology and ask questions
Happy Sabbath.
God bless you.
Syria
I think that we as Christians should not support our government's decisions to unlawfully attack sovereign nations.
Be it Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, etc. we must recognise that our governments do not hold good intentions in their actions, they lie and deceive… They wish for nothing but discord, to destroy other countries and replace their leaders with neo-colonial regimes.
Though we do have a duty to support the governments that are resisting, that wish for unity and peace. We must support Russia, and we especially support Assad.
Assad is maintaining a secular Syria, where All religions can live equally and in peace. He is fighting the foreign terrorists seeking to destroy, and he is defending the Christians of Syria.
Debunking claims of the Papacy
>On this tradition and on the indisputable preëminence of Peter in the Gospels and the Acts, especially the words of Christ to him after the great confession (Matt. 16:18), is built the colossal fabric of the papacy with all its amazing pretensions to be the legitimate succession of a permanent primacy of honor and supremacy of jurisdiction in the church of Christ, and—since 1870—with the additional claim of papal infallibility in all official utterances, doctrinal or moral. The validity of this claim requires three premises:
1. The presence of Peter in Rome. This may be admitted as an historical fact, and I for my part cannot believe it possible that such a rock-firm and world-wide structure as the papacy could rest on the sand of mere fraud and error. It is the underlying fact which gives to fiction its vitality, and error is dangerous in proportion to the amount of truth which it embodies. But the fact of Peter’s presence in Rome, whether of one year or twenty-five, cannot be of such fundamental importance as the papacy assumes it to be: otherwise we would certainly have some allusion to it in the New Testament. Moreover, if Peter was in Rome, so was Paul, and shared with him on equal terms the apostolic supervision of the Roman congregation, as is very evident from his Epistle to the Romans.
>2. The transferability of Peter’s preëminence on a successor. This is derived by inference from the words of Christ: "Thou art Rock, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."316 This passage, recorded only by Matthew, is the exegetical rock of Romanism, and more frequently quoted by popes and papists than any other passage of the Scriptures. But admitting the obvious reference of petra to Peter, the significance of this prophetic name evidently refers to the peculiar mission of Peter in laying the foundation of the church once and for all time to come. He fulfilled it on the day of Pentecost and in the conversion of Cornelius; and in this pioneer work Peter can have no successor any more than St. Paul in the conversion of the Gentiles, and John in the consolidation of the two branches of the apostolic church.
3. The actual transfer of this prerogative of Peter—not upon the bishops of Jerusalem, or Antioch, where he undoubtedly resided—but upon the bishop of Rome, where he cannot be proven to have been from the New Testament. Of such a transfer history knows absolutely nothing. Clement, bishop of Rome, who first, about a.d. 95, makes mention of Peter’s martyrdom, and Ignatius of Antioch, who a few years later alludes to Peter and Paul as exhorting the Romans, have not a word to say about the transfer. The very chronology and succession of the first popes is uncertain.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc1.i.IV_1.26.html History of the Christian Church, Volume I: Apostolic Christianity
Thanks to our adventist friend
who always supports us in the Infograph thread.
>who are you /christ/ ?
Take the test!
Hey /christ/, why aren't you a communist yet?
Filioque & Schism
I've discussed the filioque issue with a Catholic who studied theology at university levels; I've done so after having myself read a book about the Orthodox Church.
From the book, it seemed that Catholics just made it up and reproached Orthodox for not having it. From the Catholics' point of view, I was told, it makes perfect sense and can even be deduced logically from certain premises also shared by the Orthodox.
What are those parameters? Why is the filioque important at all? What difference does it make whether the Holy Spirit proceed from the Father alone or the Father and the Son?
I understand that the Schism didn't happen solely because of that, and that it was merely a symptom of the real differences between the Churches (mainly that Rome's bishop was also a military commander while all other bishops were just bishops, and thus, the future Pope was more akin to a political leader than a religious one).
Thanks in advance for any answers you may.
Sinn Fein general.
What do you think of Moses with horns?
Spooky angel summoning
http://www.angelsbysharae.com/ConnectAngels.html
Alright this was found by one of christian friends when he was browsing the internet. This looks like some crazy shit. The summoning looks a lot like a demon summoning. I thought I share it with you. What are your thoughts?
Pic unrelated
My brothers let us pray together in good faith for our departed brother; Vincent.
Through the Holy Spirit; to our God: the Father:
we pray in his beloved Son: who prays eternally to his Father on behalf of all:
Lord: have mercy on his soul!
economics
what do y'all think of these musings?
This was a Anti-Christian hate crime.
The police is now waging a war against Christians in the United States! Don't be blind, wake up to what's going on!
Robespierre did nothing wrong.
Prove me wrong.
How free is this place compared to /christian/
How do you feel about anti-Islam diatribes like this? There are so many factual errors i don't know where to begin, but that's not the main problem to me.
What modern English translation do you recommend that includes the Orthodox apocrypha?
Pic related.
>start reading the bible
>says God created two lights, the sun and the moon
>see that 1.9 is followed by 1.10
>mfw when christcucks can't do math and literally think that the moon produces its own light
Daily reminder that the bible was obviously written by schizophrenic scientifically primitive Jews (Jews have the highest rate of schizophrenia and according to Jewpedia/DSM religiosity is a symptom of schizophrenia).
The tower of babel story was written under the explicit belief that heaven was literally in the sky, with modern aircraft we have disproved the bible.
>Biblical literalism is for atheists who don't understand muh immaterialism
Nope, wrong again christcuck, the old testament was written by materialist Jews.
Note that religion is over 100 years past its expiration date.
Sorry Christcucks, your anti-atheism is crabs-in-a-bucket mentality, I understand that most normie cowards (like the 5'3" ultramanlet Dostoevsky) can't stand without their incomprehensible sky God that can do anything magically but does nothing along with their belief that causation does not exist ("free will because muh quantum physics misunderstandings and muh feelings").
Preach!
Brothers,
I know we're a very slow board for now, and that's OK, small steps go a long way. I have a suggestion.
Back in the day, I used to go on 4chan to answer people's questions about Christianity. If you feel up for it, I would suggest we occasionally do this. If someone wants to open a similar thread on /christian/, I have no problem with it. Go ahead.
However, I propose these guidelines, and I propose them from experience:
1. Whatever happens, keep your cool. I can't stress this enough. If you can't convince anyone of anything, at least you can show grace under pressure, and that alone will impress many. Don't underestimate the power of keeping cool. When people see you getting shat on for hours and always responding kindly, with love, without sounding like a hypocrite, they will give you credit for this alone, and that credit goes on to Christ, for everything you do as a Christian speaks for Christ. The way you'll behave often matters more than what you say.
2. Acknowledge ignorance. You won't know everything, and you shouldn't be ashamed of that. State that you are a work in progress, like all humans, and you still have things to learn. Be humble when you don't know something. Don't try to do mental gymnastics if you simply don't know: simply say so. Honesty and humility will also make people trust you.
3. Try to empathise to the maximum. This job is best done by those of us who have been atheists and who know what it feels like to live in a Godless universe. Christians who never experienced this can always testify as to how it feels like to feel in a God-driven universe, something I myself cannot do.
4. Don't antagonise your audience. Don't use concepts and words you know your audience is unlikely to know. Don't namedrop, don't speak of Double Procession if you do so merely to make your audience feel ignorant. Be clear and be simple.
5. Answer all questions. This is /b/, expect extremely rude questions and comments. Expect to be asked if you like little boys. Calmly answer the truth. Loaded questions will be 70% of what you receive: respond to them as if they were actual questions. Leave the responsibility of being a dick to the person behaving like a dick. You do not need to turn into a douchebag for anyone, nor should you.
6. Do not be offended, ever. Same as keeping your cool, but it needs to be emphasised. It won't be easy. I believe this is a worthier test of faith than much of the other artificial trials many Christians inflict on themselves. You will sometimes fail and start calling everyone a fucking moron. It's OK, forgive yourself. Your anger rises from good intentions. Don't despair, but try not to snap. It is better to quit a thread calmly than to snap. Telling the truth, especially when it is humbling, will make a good impression on people.
7. Love them. Actively love the people you will preach to. Sounds easy, perhaps, but it's not, but do it. Care for them, feel that love, and act accordingly. You don't have to appreciate what they do or say, just love them and wish the best for them.
8. Be humble. If you act as if you knew everything, you will not convert many, especially not the most skeptical. You must maintain an attitude of humility. You will be accused of hypocrisy a lot and you will be called conceited and you will be called an arrogant prick for assuming you know better and for coming there to preach "your" religion. Remind them that all you did was open a thread for those interested: nobody forces anyone to come to that thread and read and post words. They cannot deny this truth. You are not being invasive, you're simply giving a chance to the curious.
9. Do not underestimate people's thirst for God.
(cont.)
Norway reintroduces Christianity into the school system
The majority in Parliament today agreed to put Christianity back into the school schedule. Contrary to social development.
After a Muslim MP proposed that the king should become a faithless and Norway should stop being a Christian country, the parliament not only rejected his claim, but countered it by re-introducing Christianity lessons in school.
Today, the majority in the Ministry of Education and Research Committee in the Parliament decided that the subject Religion, philosophy and ethics (RPE) will be converted to CRPE.
The new letter stands for Christianity, and that religion should have 50 percent of the teaching time, it was decided upon.
This change comes because the Conservative Party and the Progress Party has signed a compromise with the Christian Democrats. The lessons are being introduced despite strong opposition. But that is the beauty of a democracy. The majority decides.
The parliament's first voting about it comes on 11 June, but as it stands it seems that the two governing parties and the Christian Democrats will get their will in the parliament.
Many believe that Norway is on its way of becoming a neutral society in which the school provides space for the teaching of different religions and beliefs, and it will be interesting to see what happens in classes when Christianity again is on the time table.
Yo.
Let me give you the short of it.
I am in my last couple weeks of trucking school, if I pass this test Saturday, and I need some help to get some food.
The company I work for refuses to pay for meals and I don't get paid training until I get to headquarters after I pass this CDL test, two weeks after I get there.
> No money
I need probably $50-100 to get through this comfortably. My stock of Instant noodles/mashed potatoes and continental breakfast (no meat) is almost dried up.
I have a PayPal and the ability to give proof within, persecution of christians is coming, reason.
If you cannot help, I will not hold it against you.
If you can then please help a literal brother out.
*I can make it no matter what.
> God has never once made me desolate. Psalm 34:22
However, I am looking for a little help and I have obediently rid myself of pride to ask.
The Last Days
Revelation, End Times, and other Apocalypse related topics.
What are your views concerning the last days?
DEUS VULT
If the pope suddenly decided to call another crusade, would you go? Why or why not? I'm Lutheran, and even I might consider it.
also pic related makes me kek every time
Aum Shinrikyo cult
This syncretic doomsday Japanese cult drew from the Bible and Buddhist scriptures.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoko_Asahara#Early_years
The founder also decided he was Christ, stockpiled weapons, turned his church into a terrorist orgnaization and released nerve gas in Matsumoto, and on a Tokyo subway. I'm curious as to what exactly he sourced from the scriptures, but he seems to have used the mark of the beast as justification to murder anyone who opposed him.
So is that "Second Coming" thing going to happen when a total of 144000 saints have been canonized?
doldrums of faith
howdy /christ/
lately i've been searching for greater spiritual meaning in my life but i'm finding it hard to commit to Christianity. I like to tell myself i'm christian and believe in god although i don't go to church and never read the bible (although appropriate it's philosophy and what it has done for human kind) and i'm finding it hard to believe myself sometimes.
Has anyone else been through this situation before?
Can you have some agnostic underlining but consider yourself christian?
Can you believe god was the why and not the how when it comes to where humans came from
If it helps i have been baptized, i went to a christian school where we attended church a couple of times a week and i want to commit but concerned i'm just lulling myself into a false sense of security encase it is all true (again want to believe it but just have problems committing) so i wouldn't be considered a 'true' believer
On a side note how does Christianity treat people like me in the rapture? would i be saved for i want to believe or would i be damned because i hesitate to much.
>tl;dr help an agnostic out find god and the christian faith
so ITT post stories on how you found faith, anything that could help people in my situation and or a type of bible that is considered the most accurate (i think the KJB was widely considered the best version)
Ben Garrison here to claim this GET in the name of the Blessed Virgin!
''And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say, “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!”
9 And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who is seated on the throne, who lives forever and ever,
10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 “Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.” ''
Rev4,8-11
God appears right in front of you and takes you before his eternal throne.
What do you do?
What would you talk with him about? Would you ask him questions or something?
So appearently some moong god fans got some frenchies or something.
I literally couldn't care less.
Tell me why I'm a bad person
Trouble with the Bible.
How am I supposed to reconcile these two biblical verses?
Jesus says this:
Matthew 5:17-20
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Saint Paul says this:
Romans 7-4-6
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Elderly Christian man in London surrounded and mocked by Muslims
What are your thoughts /christ/?
Where is the Christian Science Fiction?
As a rule Sci-fi authors tend to be Atheists:
HG Wells, Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein, Arthur C Clarke, HP Lovecraft, Douglas Adams, and Gene Roddenberry. (And whoever wrote Dr Who.)
The exceptions stand out because they are so rare. The only Christian scifi authors that spring to mind are Orson Scott Card (and he's a Mormon), and C.S. Lewis. I've listed the famous/award-winning authors that I've happened to read. If I have forgotten any good Christian authors in this genre, please share them to correct this inbalance.
Polytheism in the bible
There are passages where Elohim literally means gods, but that are translated in English as God. I was surprised to find that when it happens, the verb often becomes plural to match.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim#Grammar.C2.A0.E2.80.93_singular_or_plural
I've begun to dislike the NIV now for being interpretive for according to its theology, rather than literal and accurate. 1 Samuel 28:13 translates as Gods in the KJV, but as ghostly figure in the NIV. Even if it looked like a ghostly figure, who is to say that the prophet didn't think she saw God or Gods, as per the original word?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Sam.%2028%3A13&version=KJV;NIV
Biblical Inerrancy
Is the Bible inerrant, or does it have errors, stating what is contrary to truth and reality? Give me your best arguments, quotes and pics regarding this. This is for the purpose of spreading the Word and apologetics, so if you could, put the best you have into here so that a brother in Christ may be able to defend and spread the Word.
How was church this weekend?
My local church is starting to push for a youth space" of some sort. I dont know how to feel about this.
The sermon tho it was pretty cool, it was about the Holy Spirit, very dinamic.
Have you prayed to the emperor yet /christ/?
Answer carefully and wisely
Hi /christ/fags, /leftypol/ here
Saw your zizek banner. Nice cherrypick, he says that it is because the true athest has gone through the church and knows what it is like to have faith and so on *sniff*
Saint Mary, Queen of Heaven
Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with you.
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is the fruit of your womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
The Bible
Bible derives from the Greek word for books. It consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. There is a multitude of different bibles and bible translations.
It was composed by the Church and the centuries after Jesus death, this process was finished at around 300AD.
So the bible itself is younger than Christianity.
While all Christian communities claim to have the "true" bible there are sometimes severe differences on translations and which books are to be added to it.
There are also disputes about the way it is to be used.
Shall it be read literally or is there interpretation?
Does it still fully apply to the modern world?
Is it the only source for modern Chritians?
etcpp
RAPTOR JESUS
Christianity in your region
Tell us about the situation of Christianity in your region. Also about its history if you'd like. Anything you deem appropriate for this thread is fine.
Is Christianity the dominant religion? Ever been?
If not how is the minority pop (if any) treated and integrated? Any repressions?
Is it frowned upon to be openly Christian?
Are there certain denoms that are prevalent and are others discriminated because of that?
And so on…
If you are from the US or any other silly large country you may describe the specific situation of your region state or ethnic community there if you wish so.
On the Taking of Multiple Women as Wives
We discuss polygamy, and the various interpretations by the users of this board.
Does polygamy have any redeeming spiritual qualities? Does it have any positive pragmatic reasons for it to be practiced?
Likewise, what are the dangers and negatives associated with the practice? What are some Biblical views on the practice, both OT and NT?
This one is strictly about one man marrying multiple women, never the other way around.
>inb4 of course Mormon
I'm interested in other views other than LDS stuff; though its a free board.
Incest
Why is incest wrong?
If the woman doesn't get pregnant, is it still worse than normal adultery?
And if the woman gets pregnant? Is it a marriage then? The two are then allowed to live together or not? I mean a child needs both parents :3
don't think there'd be any OP pic appropriate
Halloween
Saw a church today with halloween scarecrows out front. It doesn't fit when they try to appropriate darkness in a tame way, and then have Halloween parties.
I'm dressing as an aviator for the kids, but I had the idea of being a Christian for Halloween, and preaching and evangelizing at every house I visit. Or collecting a year's worth of Jehova witness brochures and handing them out to trick or treaters with a stern warning to be vigiliant because tonight could be your last on Earth. That might be the scariest role playing the kids see.
Are any Christians dressing as a Satanic Atheist or Christchan today?
The Merits of Flagellation
In your personal opinion, does self-mortification, flagellation and otherwise causing moderate to noticeable harm to one's body have any redeeming spiritual qualities? Is it entirely senseless, simply a matter of preference, or outright blasphemous?
Many sects and religions have practiced this throughout the centuries, but the practice has been controversial. Within Catholicism, for example, there are modern groups in the Philippines that practice public displays of self-harm as a way to remember the sacrifice of Christ.
And then there is Opus Dei.
>Pic related
How to be Buddhist-christian
I like the folklore of Christianity and symbolism, I like my crucifix and saying the Lords Prayer but I find myself practicing Buddhism and meditation more and whenever I give people advice and help it comes from a Buddhist perspective.
Its just so practical and true….how can I be both Buddhist and christian? I think Jesus was a Buddha basically but he didn't teach as well as Shakyamuni did.
Choosing a denomination
Friends, how do I decide which denomination is the correct one?
Crimea bans Halloween
What are your thoughts on this /christ/?
Sergei Aksyonov, the leader of Crimea, has forbidden schools on the Russian-annexed peninsula from celebrating Halloween and urged residents to avoid the “disgusting mask show” that seeks to “undermine Russian values”.
Mr Aksyonov portrayed the holiday as a Western conspiracy in comments to Russian media on Wednesday, saying the promotion of “the dark traditions of Halloween are aimed at undermining spiritual and moral values traditional for Russia”, RIA Novosti reported.
“In the last few decades, this ‘holiday’ has spread far beyond English-speaking countries, which is no coincidence. On the one hand, it is undoubtedly a commercial project, and on the other – a means of cultural colonisation,” Mr Aksyonov was cited as saying.
The celebration of evil, he said, could prove to be traumatic for children’s psyches.
“That is why I think that no events tied to Halloween should be held in educational institutions. The Education Ministry of Crimea must speak out with corresponding recommendations,” he said.
Vladimir Bobkov, chairman of the Committee of the State Council of Crimea on Education, Science, Youth and Sports, backed up Mr Aksyonov in criticising the holiday but stopped short of saying it should be prohibited.
“We need to try harder to replace it with something good and positive,” Mr Bobkov told the Crimean News Service, saying foreign holidays should be edged out.
Russia has increasingly experienced a resurgence of patriotic and religious fervor and calls for a return to conservative Orthodox values after the annexation of Crimea in March 2014.
Muslims are trying to imitate the prophets and muhamad.
They go as far as they even try to look like them. You know, the classical Islamist beard? That's the reason.
Why is there no such thing among Christians? In Islam this is very mainstream, here no one would get the idea.
Do you try to look like Jesus or a Saint?
If not by a beard or hair, at least by jewelry or garments or whatever?
Things You are Interested in Largely Because You Are Religious
Many of my interests have a connection to God, even though sometimes it's very tentative or largely up to my own imagination.
I love Warhammer 40'000 for instance. In other instances, I add a spiritual subplot to some video games; I love space games where I feel small as fuck in outer space, as that feeling makes me think of God (Kerbal Space Program, the first time you float away from Earth and see it get smaller until it's completely gone, gives me the spiritual goosebump).
What about you? Do you work out and "give" God the pain? Do you study mathematics and feel like you're looking into God's mechanics? Are you an artist trying to create beauty to speak for the Lord?
Share!
Curing Sin without the Bible
So /christ/, im curious, how do Christians feel about helping others from committing sins… but from a non Christian perspective?
Is it worth it to you to prevent someone from Sin if you are completely unable to use the rules of the Bible and the Church to prevent someone from sinning?
How many children do you want to have
1. Your denomination
2. How many children do you want to have?
I am Catholic and I want a least ten children
pic unrelated
Your Relation to the Community Here
Dear All,
I am curious as to how you see your relationship to our little community (including, or not, /christian/). Does it improve your faith? Does it help you? Does it answer your questions? Do you feel a kinship? Do you feel less alone?
I would like to know how it is for you.
For my part, going back months ago, it virtually destroyed my faith in Catholicism, or at the very least, it forced me to question it so much that I can no longer regard it the way I used to, which subsequently made me far more tolerant of Protestantism. I have also largely lost faith and interest in miracles and even after a whole book on Padre Pio, I can now only think of him as a perverted liar, much to my regret. And I mean no offense by that, I would most definitely love to be able to think Pio was exactly what he claimed he was, but I just can't, not anymore.
As to faith, I don't feel like I'm getting more of it by being here. I've even left for quite some time, not just to protect what was left of my little faith, but also because I virtually lost interest in Christianity to a significant degree, which saddens me beyond all the rest.
The more I question and get into discussions, the less tangible this whole thing seems to me, to the point where I feel like we're just fools arguing over nonsense for no good reason. It doesn't feel right.
I still like this board, and I think it has maintained a good spirit since its inception and I'm very optimistic about it. There are more people now, more active people too, and they seem interesting.
Your turn to share!
So the Synod of the family is over.
Nothing changed, everything is the same. I'm not surprised. If you are surprised you do not know how the Church works.
Hussa!
Vatican II and the Freemasons
Is this legit? I know Catholics have strict laws against freemasonry, but this part of the documentary makes a good case.
As for his sources, he usually makes a video at the end of the documentary listing them all, and he hasn't finished the documentary yet.
India - Castration for child rapists legalised
Madras High Court says castrating child rapists best solution for sex offences
In india rape is not tolerated. Rapists of grown women are lynched regularly.
If you rape a child in India and there is proof of this. You will be castrated legally now. Is it a better punishment than death? Go hang yourself if you think it is worse.
Castration. This is Madras high court's one-word solution for curbing spiralling sex offences against children.
"Traditional laws are not stringent enough to yield any desired positive result. Suggestion of castration looks barbaric, but barbaric crimes should definitely attract barbaric model of punishment. Many may not agree with this. Still, everyone needs to understand the stark reality in society and appreciate the punishment suggested," said Justice N Kirubakaran, pointing to the fact that the conviction rate in cases of sex offence against children is a mere 2.4% and that between 2008 and 2014, crimes against children had increased by 400%.
"This court is sure that additional punishment of castration of child rapists would fetch magical results in preventing and containing child abuses," said the judge while pointing out that chemical castration had come into force in several countries including the US. The judge was passing orders on a plea from a foreigner facing paedophile charges in TN for quashing the case. Turning down the plea, the judge, however, stayed the red corner notice issued against him making it clear it was being done to facilitate his participation in a criminal trial.
The immediate provocation for the court to make such a drastic suggestion was the brutal gangrape of children in Delhi last week. Calling it a "blood-curdling" and "horrific" incident, Justice Kirubakaran said castration must be an additional punishment for child abusers, especially child rapists. Incidentally in 2013, at the height of the protests in the capital over the Nirbhaya case, Tamil Nadu chief minister J Jayalalithaa had similarly called for death or chemical castration for rapists through amendments in Central laws.
Castration is done on child sex offenders in Poland, Russia, Estonia and nine US states including California, Florida, Oregon, Texas and Washington, he said, adding, "South Korea was the first Asian country to make castration a punishment."
"Inspite of many penal laws and the recent POCSO Act, 2012 prescribing severe punishment for crimes against children, the number of such cases has increased from 38,172 in 2012 to 58,224 in 2013 and to 89,423 in 2014. When law is ineffective and incapable of addressing the menace, this court cannot keep its hands folded and remain a silent spectator, unmoved and oblivious to the recent happenings of horrible blood-curdling gang rapes of children in various parts of India. It would not only be injustice done to the child abuse victims, but would also amount to violation of the oath taken by this court," the judge said.
This suggestion of castration would be condemned, censured and criticised as "barbaric, retrograde, stone-aged, cannibalistic and inhuman," Justice Kirubakaran said, adding that human rights activists who oppose castration are concerned mostly about offenders and perpetrators, unmindful of the physical, psychological and the emotional trauma undergone by victims. "Those activists should first exhibit sympathy and support to the victims of such crimes by visiting and consoling them at the hour of crisis instead of having misplaced sympathy on the perpetrators," he said.
Apart from "native monsters," there are foreigners "regularly landing" here to abuse our children, the judge said, adding that the case before him also concerned one such person who allegedly abused a 15-year-old boy. The British national had paid money to the boy's mother and promised to offer quality education to the boy. He took him to Delhi where he stayed with the boy in a room and assaulted him, all in 2011. After a service organization moved court and got the boy rescued, a case was registered and a chargesheet too was filed.
In his present petition, the Briton wanted the case to be quashed on the ground that the boy's mother herself had said it was not kidnap and abuse, but she had sent the Class IX boy voluntarily. The prosecution, however, pointed out that the mother's retraction itself was proof of tampering of evidence by the foreigner, and that the boy himself had stated before the magistrate that he was trafficked and abused by the Briton.
A place for Christians?
Mention Christianity in a leftist community, and you get people blaming the faith for everything right wing that they despise. Likewise you mention Christianity in a right wing community, and you get people blaming the faith for everything left wing that they despise. I've had people tell me that Christianity is to blame for everything from the holocaust, slavery, and misogyny, to egalitarianism, racemixing, and multiculturalism.
Is there a community online for Christians that respects free speech? Like, a place where one could discuss the Synagogue of Satan and not get banned in 5 minutes for not sucking Israel's dick. Any place I found was extremely bluepilled, and I have really grown tired of all the reddit-tier atheists that overwhelm /pol/. This board and /christian/ seem ok, but not particularly active.
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First off, there's the Church of Sweden of course. They sure have a lot of activites but they have almost nothing to do with Christianity, and when they do it's an extreme left-wing interpretation that i feel embarrassed to be part of. Often the priests (usually female) will talk about global warming and the enviroment, or immigration policy like you must share their views or else you disobey God. And the only people around my age there aren't even Christians, they're basically there because "it's something to do and it's free" and tend to be typically brainwashed, obsessed with celebrities and popular culture and yelling random English phrases they don't know what they mean.
Then there's the one in the picture. They're probably the best this city has to offer, and they have an impressive building and lots of activities, but they're all aimed at teens or elderlies, and they just don't act very welcoming to me. I've tried to attend it about 3 or 4 times, each time visiting a few consecutive Sundays, but each time they acted really welcoming and glad to have me there the first time, then completely ignored me the next time and there was just nothing more for me to do than sit and listen to their bland new age-ish sermons and Hillsong-style music. Everybody my age only wanted to talk to their close friends and didn't care that i existed.
Then there's 2 or 3 separate Baptist churches who had about 15 people attending, most of which were elderlies that looked like they had to be carried in on a stretcher, and who started every speech with "We've lost a lot of members lately…"
There's also one or two "non-denominational meetup groups" that consisted of a dozen metalheads meeting in a basement on the outskirts of town to discuss random Bible verses. Probably a good idea with the right people, but i felt no connection to them at all and like the others, nothing made me feel that it was opportunity for me in any way.
Plus a tiny Catholic church that's been closed for years and nobody ever attends, and the obligatory hole-in-the-wall JW and LDS "churches", enough about them. So what can you really do in my situation? I read a lot about people's experience with other churches online and they seem so much cooler than the ones here, i don't know why they just never seem to come here for some reason.
General Pentecostal thread.
No thread on the world's fastest growing denomination here?
Intrusive thoughts
So I found this wikipedia article, and it turns out Martin Luther had blasphemous thoughts about Satan's behind. How do you personally deal with unwelcome thoughts?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought#Religious_thoughts
In the name of the Lord, Putinist patriarchs with their Disneyland entourage give their corrupt blessings to missiles to be used for killing civilians who resist the Soviet Empire.
Why aren't you protesting?
Catholicism, Impossible?
I'm an atheist but I'm curious about religion. I've looked into Catholicism and I would like to know if I understand it correctly.
Here's how I understand it.
>there are mortal and venial sins
>mortal sins send you to Hell
>venia sins send you to Purgatory
>a venial sin is something like "excessive laughter"
>a mortal sin is something like rape, murder, but also doing drugs, probably theft, not going to mass, etc.
>if a Catholic, or anyone, dies in a state of mortal sin, he goes to hell without a second chance
So you can be a good Catholic your whole life, go to mass all the time, confess before each mass to ensure you don't take Holy Communion in a state of sin, and if one day you miss mass, and then die in a car accident, you're condemned to hell forever. This is incredibly harsh and frightening.
Is this not impossible to follow? I understand not separating faith from deeds, but there's not much left of faith there, is there? If even faith can't save you from a schedule problem leading to eternal doom, what is one to do?
Also, how does this (which I read in the Catechism, online) work with Francis' speeches? Francis made me think I stood a chance as a non-Catholic if I did good deeds and tried to believe in Christ, but the Catechism makes it sound impossible. Christ says only few people will make it to Heaven. That's frightening, especially considering the huge numbers of Catholics. If only a few of these will make it to Heaven, the rest of us are condemned to Hell for good?
I cannot take this psychologically. The idea that 80% or more of humanity will spend forever tortured in mind and body is terrifying. I also cannot reconcile this with love.
Most Catholics I know don't confess before mass each week, and not doing so already sets you down the mortal sin path, and if you continue, you make it worse. Many don't even know that it's a mortal sin. How can a Catholic be damned for bad luck in the case of dying in a state of mortal sin? Isn't that arbitrary in ways that God generally doesn't have?
Any input will be appreciated.
Black thug begs for "50 cents"
One of them snared me in a dark area while I was strolling at 8 PM. Here are your options.
1) give him money (he obviously wants more than 50 cents, but he's keeping the figure low so it's harder to say no.)
2) let him steal your wallet when you pull it out
3) tell him he has poor etiquette to startle and harass strangers at night
4) ignore him
Come Visit /hope/!
Hello friends in /christ/.
I'm the board owner of >>>/hope/, a new board which sprung into existence recently from a discussion on /christian/. I created >>>/hope/ as a place where anons could come to help other anons break free from sin, misery, and NEETdom. We're going to create a wiki and we hope to eventually organize some form of online charity, though we're still in the stage where we're just throwing ideas out.
Please come visit us if you are in need of a helping hand, or if you want to lend one to your fellow imageboard users. If you have any questions, please ask them in the thread I created on >>>/hope/
http://8ch.net/mod.php?/hope/res/97.html
Thanks for your attention!
hail satan
Ezekiel 38 and Psalm 83
Obviously in the mainstream these are both prophecies. Ignore the pic and its possible incorrectness.
I don't know how many of you are /pol/acks…but how are these prophecies (more so Ezekiel than Psalm, which may just be a prayer asking God to smite Israel's enemies more than a prophecy in itself).
So for the Ezekiel prophecy: why would God defend Israel like this, as people like Hagee would like to think, seeing as Jews are no longer chosen, and for all we can tell, Israel is a heathen country.
Is Israel in this instance the Church? Let's discuss…
Can anyone link to a ESV bible in PDF format, or any other non-crappy format? Other interesting PDFs, study bibles etc. appreciated too. Shouldn't there be a sticky thread for this, anyway?
Unitarianism
>Banning Unitarians
Is this a policy here as well?
>>>/christian/79567
Song of Solomon
This is one of the most beautiful books of the Bible
1
1 The song of songs, which is Solomon's.
2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.
3 Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.
4 Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
7 Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?
8 If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds' tents.
9 I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots.
10 Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.
11 We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.
12 While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.
13 A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.
14 My beloved is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.
15 Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.
16 Behold, thou art fair, my beloved, yea, pleasant: also our bed is green.
17 The beams of our house are cedar, and our rafters of fir.
anathema
mods confirmed jesuits
Feminists in Argentina try to burn down a cathedral and assault praying Christians
A horrific and surreal scene unfolded Monday night outside the Cathedral of Mar de Plata in Argentina as hordes of women, many of them masked and half naked, violently assaulted a group of young men who stood outside the Cathedral of Mar de Plata praying and standing watch.
Such violence is becoming the norm for the annual March for Women in the Pope's native land of Argentina, although this year's violence seemed to be the most extreme yet, with the women turning their violence against the police, and even attempting to set the Cathedral on fire.
The women tore down the outer gate of the cathedral and hurled glass bottles and feces at the young men standing guard. When they attempted to burn down the Cathedral the police began taking measures to disperse the hordes.
The local group Argentinos Alerta, which helped to organize the peaceful vigil in anticipation of the attack, issued a statement in which they thanked the police for dispatching forces to the Cathedral. The group noted that it was the first time that the police had made an effort to defend church property.
While similar protests have occurred recently in conjunction with the Annual March for Women, the level of violence appears to be increasing.
"There were very tense moments and when I arrived I witnessed families with young children crying trapped inside the church. It was a terrible thing," stated Marcelo Di Pasqua the local chief of police in an interview with local TV.
>contemplating the mysteries
>have felt called to serve Christ and the Church most of my life but disregarded due to hedonistic modern life
>banged simply loads of girls
>done drugs
>sort of regret life decisions
>come to understand the Church on a deeper more spiritual and personal level at the age of 30
>cakeandeatingit.illuminatedmanuscript
>what does priesthood even mean in this age of post-phenomenological technowonders?
>contemplate looking into priesthood
>realistically Rome would send me to Brazil as one of their important regions
>get shot in narco war
>punishment for my sins
idk, to serve is to give of ones life but I'm not really willing to give up my autonomy for something so unstable and shrinking in my own country, which should indicate I shouldn't be considering this path, right?
Apparently all LGBT discussion is now banned from /christian/, way to go, exclude the majority of young Christians today.
Has there ever been an initiative to make a large-scale "walkable" public Bible, in the form of a wall or maze, that you can walk through and read together with others?
It's a Sin Not To Marry
Jesus gives a direct and binding injuction at Matthew 19:5 { ‘For this reason a man SHALL leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two SHALL become one flesh’}.
This command is so strong it is simply based on the ontological reality of being born Male and Female. The reason you HAVE to marry and reproduce is simply because you were made as such "from the beginning".
There is no way around Matthew 19:5. And what's stricter is his idea that you have to stick to one-wife only. Divorce is prohibited. To which his apostles gasp in shock. But Jesus gives them a way out, you can bypass the injunction to marry only if you are willing to castrate yourself and become a literal Eunuch, as he goes on to say.
General purpose Word of Life thread.
/cuckolding/
I just got a 2 week ban from /christian/. You literally have to praise cuckolding now, lest you get banned. What an absolute shithole. It has stooped even lower than /r/christianity. No threads discussing proper gender roles or a biblical marriage is allowed because "mysoggyknee". Someone even claimed that the mod is a literal cuck and has 3 black children with his asian wife, and he's white, he supposedly said this himself on IRC. Anyone know where I could get a hold of those IRC logs?
The Roman elite held onto the Pantheion of Gods long after Christianity had spread throughout the more destitute classes. Imagine how different Christianity would look if Jesus were born rich, and had tried to appeal to the sensibilities of the Rich! Instead of preaching about kindness to the poor, we might have had Scientology much earlier.
(Are there any writings that study how religion develops differently depending on who it originated with?)
Welcome to the first /gnosis/ general on /christ/.
ITT we will:
>attempt to explain Gnosticism
>provide material for Gnostic belief
>stick it to the Demiurge
Reading Material:
>The Nag Hammadi Library
>Pistis Sophia
>Corpus Hermeticum
>The various Gnostic Gospels
>The Golden Verses of Pythagoras
>Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus
Websites:
>gnosis.org
>montalk.net/gnosis
>>>/fringe/ is a board that can further help in the discovery of Gnosticism.
I'll do my best to give an entry-level summation of Gnosticism in the next post.
holy crusdae against /sp/dolaters
Demons
What's your stance on demons?
Ever experienced any?
Know anyone who did?
ITT: we discuss demons.
>implying yahweh is not satan
All the problems Britian is facing is because they will not recognize themselves as the people of god.
Watch this video Brits, (skip to 10:00)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=t8Lf_rYX3Lg
Genesis 48 19-20
19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great; but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations.”
20 So he blessed them that day, saying, “By you Israel will bless, saying, ‘May God make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh!’” And thus he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
The only way for Britian to be restored is if they turn to the Lord and realize that they are Israelites too
The Jews in Israel are only 1 of the 12 tribes, Britian is only 1 of the 12 tribes
The Ethiopians are only 1 of the 12 tribes (hence the only Christian/Jewish country to resist islamification)
Daily reminder
Why is God worthy of being worshiped?
A relatively simple question I'm sure that some of you are used to. But as of yet I haven't heard what I think to be a satisfactory answer. This question of course assumes that the Christian god exists.
I'll start with some common rebuttals. Don't think that I consider the case closed on these answers. I simply want to explain, very briefly, why I think they aren't satisfactory. Feel free to pick my responses apart and I'll try to elaborate. This is an open debate given the depth and complexity of the ideas that have to be brought up.
>Because he is good incarnate.
God only asserts that he is good and that his law and commands are what is best. However, why should we believe him? Under secular systems of morality for example punishments like eternal damnation for offenses such as simple disbelief due to lack of evidence or inborn nature such as homosexuality. Are very much immoral. Some of God's commands seem very arbitrary as well such as forbidding masturbation or pride. God never seems to think he needs to explain himself to thinking, rational creatures. Why are our systems of morality less worthwhile than God's? Especially if his morality seems to be opposed to our happiness and well-being?
>Because he will send you to hell for disobeying him.
Then worship of God isn't an obedience born out of respect or admiration. But instead simple fear. This only justifies God's nature through his use of power. I certainly don't agree that might makes right.
>Because he created us.
This one is actually sort of robust. If I designed a lawnmower I would know what is best for the lawnmower. It's designed to cut grass and any use of it outside of that purpose is not within it's original intent and therefore it is probably not best suited to that task. As a paperweight for example it's far too big and unwieldy. As a weapon it's woefully inadequate compared to other weapons. I'm getting silly but you get my point. However a lawnmower is not a thinking entity. It doesn't have a free will or agency to respect.
The closest analogy I can think of is procreation. However we do not think it is reasonable that a child be ordered to worship their parent or that a parent who never explains their actions and never responds to reasonable disagreement as being a good parent. In fact if a parent thought he had absolute power over his child and was within his right to deal out immense punishment such as torture he would be considered abusive. The child would be under no obligation to respect such a parent. And should in fact flee the situation and break all ties.
I'm sure there are other arguments that I've forgotten. But these are just off the top of my head. Thanks for your time.
Bulgarian Orthodox Church tells the government not to take refugees
>"In recent months we have witnessed a wave of flooding from countries of the Middle East and North Africa impoverished by war countries, seeking refuge in European countries people. A wave, which has acquired all the signs of an invasion,” the Holy Synod said.
>The Bulgarian Orthodox Church also indicated that its view was that accepting more refugees from the Middle East could threaten Christianity in the country and even put at risk the existence of Bulgaria as a state.
>But the millennium of experience of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church did not envisage making hasty decisions dictated by a current situation, the statement said, nor decisions dictated by populist considerations or intended to please prevailing opinions.
>Instead, the church said that it was obliged to think in terms of scripture, God’s commandments and the context of history, meaning having regard to the implications of events “and how they would affect the long-time Orthodox people, the flock that our Lord Jesus Christ has entrusted to our care”.
>This was a situation which by its nature, apart from matters of the moment such as the caring for the material needs and solidarity with the people coming to the country, “raises questions about the stability and existence of the Bulgarian state in general”.
>This in turn raised the issue of whether the flow of refugees, if it continued in the current extent, would change the existing ethnic balance in “our fatherland Bulgaria, in which God ordained our Orthodox people dwell”.
>It called for the overcoming of the reason for the problem, adding, “it is not right that the Orthodox Bulgarian people pay the price of our disappearance as a state”.
Russia's Orthodox Church declares the war against ISIS a "holy war"
Deus vult?
>"The Russian Orthodox Church has backed the country's parliamentary decision to give President Vladimir Putin permission to use military force in Syria, saying the fight against terrorism is a "holy war". The head of Synodal department for church and society, Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin, told journalists on 30 September that the decision from the upper chamber of parliament, the Federation Council, to authorise air strikes in Syria was "consistent with international law, the mentality of our people and the role that our country has always played in the Middle East", according to Interfax news agency.
>He added that Russia cannot be indifferent while Christians and other minority groups are being destroyed in the region. The interreligious council of Russia released a statement in support of military operations against terrorism in the Middle East.
>"The fight against terrorism is a HOLY struggle and today our country is perhaps the most active force in the world to combat terrorism," the priest said."
Pope Francis brands rejection of migrants 'an act of war'
Speaking to a youth group, he said the situation where desperate migrants were bounced from country to country seeking shelter was “an unresolved conflict… and this is war, this is violence, it’s called murder”.
In his speech on the island of Lampedusa in southern Italy the Pope called on European powers to do more to help the migrants that have been arriving on the island, according to the Gazzetta del Sud.
More than 2,000 migrants are believed to have died in the past eight months while making the journey across the treacherous Mediterranean sea in overfull, unseaworthy boats operated by people smugglers, according to Doctors Without Borders.
The British government has been particularly criticised for its handling of the migrant crisis in Calais as people, some of whom who have already made the dangerous Mediterranean crossing, attempt to board trains and lorries travelling through the Eurotunnel.
Prime Minister David Cameron in particular was called "racist" by the Deputy Mayor of Calais for calling the migrants "a swarm".
He said the comments showed his "ignorance of the situation".
Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond caused further controversy on Sunday when he told the BBC he believed "marauding" migrants threatened the British "standard of living".
Amnesty International condemned the remarks saying they were "mean spirited" and "shameful".
In June, the Pope said countries that turn away migrants would need to seek forgiveness from God for their actions.
In his weekly audience in Vatican City he said: “I invite you all to ask forgiveness for the persons and the institutions who close the door to these people who are seeking a family, who are seeking to be protected.”
In 2013, he gave Christmas presents to 2,000 immigrants in a shelter near the Vatican.
Each of the gift packages sent to the Dono di Maria shelter in Rome contained a Christmas card signed by the Pope, a pre-paid international calling card and a free day pass on the metro in Rome.
1920s Albania forum game
http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx
Some here may be interested. If you're wondering what this has to do with Christianity, the country has a substantial Catholic (in the north) and Orthodox (in the south) population, and their relations with the Muslims weren't especially good.
i'm actually going to go to church this week. how do you pick one and how do you even start after being fedora your entire life?
any advice?
/christ/´s music thread
Quite self-explanatory. Post Christian music you like and share it with others.
From Gregorian chants to rock everything is welcome
Isn't God's protection enough for him?
HQ reloaded
Let's gather and talk again!
The old thread got above the bump limit, so I may as well reopen it.
General discussion of this board, feedback for BO, requests and proposals etcpp
How do you view Rastafarianism?
I was wondering how I can learn more about some of the angels named in the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion. In the show, "angels" are mostly just monsters, but they're apparently named after real figures from Jewish/Christian/Islamic mythology and it got me curious about the "real" versions of these characters. Unfortunately, most of these angels are obscure as fuck and 99% of the material I can find about them is about the NGE versions. Does anyone know where I can find more information about these ? What ancient documents or stories are they mentioned in?
Their names are Sachiel, Shamshel, Ramiel, Gaghiel, Israfel, Sandalphon, Matarael, Sahaquiel, Iruel, Leliel, Bardiel, Zeruel, Arael, Armisael, and Tabris. Some of them have a lot of alternate spellings though (another thing that makes research hard.) Some of them have short wikipedia articles, but most don't lead to primary sources, which is what I really want to find. Just wondering if anyone here knows a lot of angel lore and could help me out.
Sorry if this is considered lame or off-topic, I just don't know of a more appropriate board to ask about this that isn't beyond dead.
If Jesus died for our sins why does god still allow bad stuff to happen?
Calvin Edward Farage – Christ returned
Barack Hussein Obama (Calvin Ellis ) – Anti-Christ/satan
Edward relates to the ancient name of Jesus, Dimuzid
E(D)(W)(A)r(D)
(D)u(M)(U)zi(D)
The name Calvin is important because it means Tree of Life
Ellis relates to the word for god (lower case, as in lesser) El and also relates to Iblis (the Islamic name of Satan) (Good to remember, Iblis/Satan/Lucifer wanted to be God, or me, Calvin Edward Farage, thus the fall of 1/3 of the angels and the War in Heaven began)
El (L)(I)(S)
Ib (L)(I)(S)
The name Calvin Ellis was given to Obama by the person named Stan Lee (S, satan/ L, Lucifer)
Obama is also related to Tutmosis II (also called Thutmosis, Thutmose or Tuthmosis II)
From Wikipedia “Thutmose II is one of the more popular candidates for the Pharaoh of the Exodus. Alfred Edersheim proposes in his "Old Testament Bible History"[31] that Thutmose II is best qualified to be the pharaoh of Exodus based on the fact that he had a brief, prosperous reign and then a sudden collapse with no son to succeed him. His widow Hatshepsut then became first Regent (for Thutmose III) then Pharaoh in her own right. Edersheim states that Thutmose II is the only Pharaoh's mummy to display cysts, possible evidence of plagues which spread through the Egyptian and Hittite Empires at that time.”
Thutmose III also invaded areas of Phoenicia, such as Syria (where a portion of my ancestory hails from) to avenge Thutmose II, and to try and conquer the Israelites
Obama rose to fame/power as the Anti-Christ in order to give it to the Christ, Calvin Edward of Ohio (Just South Cleveland, Parma, State Road, State Road Park)
If you're a Free Mason, I need you to come get me and not try to kill me or put me under any kind of duress. Or if you're a priest. Or just a good person.
-COƆ, COVɅ, YHWH, CɅlVIƆԐDw9ſD
Was Jesus a Buddhist?
How come the Buddha had better powers than Jesus? Did Jesus learn from Buddhists? Not only was he abiding in pure bliss of nirvana but here are some of the things attributed to him.
>That Blessed One enjoys the various kinds of supernormal power: having been one, he becomes many; having been many, he becomes one; he appears and vanishes; he goes unhindered through a wall, through an enclosure, through a mountain, as though through space; he dives in and out of the earth as though it were water; he walks on water without sinking as though it were earth; seated cross-legged, he travels in space like a bird; with his hand he touches and strokes the moon and sun so powerful and mighty; he wields bodily mastery even as far as the Brahma-world.'
Prophecy
Are we living in prophetic times /christ/?
I think so, I believe that the world rulers are following the paths of prophecy to Damascus. The city to be ruined.
Christianity and Marxism
Title says it all. Can these two ideologies co-exist equally in the mind of one human being?
If not, how much Marxist doctrine can one adopt while still staying true to Christ?
Is the concept of a violent anti-capitalist revolution compatible with a belief in Jesus the Christ and His teachings?
Anyone actually have leftist leanings?
>Pic thematically relevant only
why didn't the apostles or Jesus emphasize the importance of muscles, strength and fighting ability for men?
How can you be a masculine Christian and be a wimpy pansy?
>the body is a temple
ya but that means very little. And Paul said that physical exercise is of little or no value 1 Timothy 4:8
/christ/Ian art
Dues vult
Amish
Thoughts on the Amish interpretation of the bible? All Amish teachers have an 8th grade education, and hate when you take pictures of them because "Thou shall not make graven images." They are Young Earth Creationists and as Fundamentalist as you can be.
Unusual Beliefs
Here's a thread I can't imagine on /christian/: what are some of your unusual beliefs as a Christian?
Having read pic-related, and various documentaries, I would not be shocked at all if it turned out that we live more than one lives. I can't say I found evidence in the Bible that we are limited to one. This doesn't even need to change the rest: you may still go where you'd have gone in a single life.
Share yours!
Why is this board suddenly dead?
How was mass today /christ/ ?
Ancient Religions
How do you feel about religions that, in some way shape or form, predate your own (Christianity) and are no longer around?
The religion of the Babylonians, the Romans, the Greeks, Sumerians, the Aztec and Incas, etc. All these people had their ancient traditions and their Gods, full of ritual and mysticism and magnificent Temples. All we have left are ruins now.
How does that make you feel about your own faith, and how can one reconcile the apparent influence some of the Ancient Middle Eastern Religions may have had on Christianity? (Thinking of Babylonians and Egyptians primarily, but others as well).
>Pic related. Gilgamesh, apparently, as he is viewed by the orientals.
God: Old Testament vs. New? (Bible Study)
At the very heart of this question lies a fundamental misunderstanding of what both the Old and New Testaments reveal about the nature of God. Another way of expressing this same basic thought is when people say, “The God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love.” The fact that the Bible is God’s progressive revelation of Himself to us through historical events and through His relationship with people throughout history might contribute to misconceptions about what God is like in the Old Testament as compared to the New Testament. However, when one reads both the Old and the New Testaments, it becomes evident that God is not different from one testament to another and that God’s wrath and His love are revealed in both testaments.
For example, throughout the Old Testament, God is declared to be a “compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,” (Exodus 34:6; Numbers 14:18; Deuteronomy 4:31; Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 86:5, 15; 108:4; 145:8; Joel 2:13). Yet in the New Testament, God’s loving-kindness and mercy are manifested even more fully through the fact that “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). Throughout the Old Testament, we also see God dealing with Israel the same way a loving father deals with a child. When they willfully sinned against Him and began to worship idols, God would punish them. Yet, each time He would deliver them once they had repented of their idolatry. This is much the same way God deals with Christians in the New Testament. For example, Hebrews 12:6 tells us that “the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.”
In a similar way, throughout the Old Testament we see God’s judgment and wrath poured out on sin. Likewise, in the New Testament we see that the wrath of God is still “being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (Romans 1:18). So, clearly, God is no different in the Old Testament than He is in the New Testament. God by His very nature is immutable (unchanging). While we might see one aspect of His nature revealed in certain passages of Scripture more than other aspects, God Himself does not change.
As we read and study the Bible, it becomes clear that God is the same in the Old and New Testaments. Even though the Bible is 66 individual books written on two (or possibly three) continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years by more than 40 authors, it remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. In it we see how a loving, merciful, and just God deals with sinful men in all kinds of situations. Truly, the Bible is God’s love letter to mankind. God’s love for His creation, especially for mankind, is evident all through Scripture. Throughout the Bible we see God lovingly and mercifully calling people into a special relationship with Himself, not because they deserve it, but because He is a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth. Yet we also see a holy and righteous God who is the Judge of all those who disobey His Word and refuse to worship Him, turning instead to worship gods of their own creation (Romans chapter 1).
Because of God’s righteous and holy character, all sin—past, present, and future—must be judged. Yet God in His infinite love has provided a payment for sin and a way of reconciliation so that sinful man can escape His wrath. We see this wonderful truth in verses like 1 John 4:10: “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.” In the Old Testament, God provided a sacrificial system whereby atonement could be made for sin. However, this sacrificial system was only temporary and merely looked forward to the coming of Jesus Christ who would die on the cross to make a complete substitutionary atonement for sin. The Savior who was promised in the Old Testament is fully revealed in the New Testament. Only envisioned in the Old Testament, the ultimate expression of God’s love, the sending of His Son Jesus Christ, is revealed in all its glory in the New Testament. Both the Old and the New Testaments were given “to make us wise unto salvation” (2 Timothy 3:15). When we study the Testaments closely, it is evident that God “does not change like shifting shadows” (James 1:17).
God's Justice
Before asking my question, we must agree on this one premise:
God is just and fair.
I assume we all agree. Second premise:
God is just according to justice, God isn't just because He is God, but because He actually acts in just ways.
This may fare less well with some of you, but defaulting on this premise means you think God can do illogical things and evil things while forcing them to be good just because it's Him.
Now, my question is this: if God is just, how can a finite crime can be punished by an infinite sanction?
Wouldn't you have to do something forever to deserve forever? What kind of human crime – suppose we were immortal – would get you eternity in a court of law?
>inb4 "God does what He wants"
>inb4 "don't ask questions"
I want elaborate answers and no cop-outs.
Satanic Cults
I have read that 15 million dollars were spent on pursuing a witch hunt in the 80's. There was no evidence, only heresey, and the alleged Satanists were released after 5 years in jail without a conviction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial#Initial_allegations
"When you once believed something that now strikes you as absurd, even unhinged, it can be almost impossible to summon that feeling of credulity again. Maybe that is why it is easier for most of us to forget, rather than to try and explain, the Satanic-abuse scare that gripped this country in the early 80's — the myth that Devil-worshipers had set up shop in our day-care centers, where their clever adepts were raping and sodomizing children, practicing ritual sacrifice, shedding their clothes, drinking blood and eating feces, all unnoticed by parents, neighbors and the authorities."
I wish our society could advance beyond paranoia in the paranormal.
Christ's Failed Prophecy?
I was reading about the Great Disappointment of 1844 and its consequences (including the birth of Seventh Day Adventism) and it reminded me of Matthew 16: 27, 28:
>For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
>Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
and Matthew 24: 25-34:
>Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
While I was able to wiggle around the first quote by assuming that "coming in His kingdom" meant Christ going to Heaven (which doesn't ring true in view of the following quote). Although you could say "these things" refer to Christ's Ascension, for instance. But the next quote makes this interpretation impossible, Luke 21:27-32:
>Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.
Let's assume a human can live 100 years or so, then this is a failed prophecy. Christ didn't come back in a cloud with power or glory.
What have Christians done historically with these passages? They are insanely problematic to me. Here's another heavy one, Matthew 26: 63, 64:
>But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
The High Priest never saw this. I thought of arguing that he would see it after he dies, but Christ clearly says "coming on the clouds of heaven", which implies his coming from heaven to earth, on clouds. This isn't a personal vision, Christ is announcing His return within the High Priest's lifetime, and I'm guessing this man is old already.
There's more material about this but that will suffice for now. Since I started reading about this, this has become an enormous roadblock in my faith. Here are the options I see:
1. there's some context I am not aware of that makes perfect sense of these apparent failed prophecies
2. there's a translation subtlety that explains it away
3. there's a forgery in the manuscripts
4. Christ was somehow wrong about the nature and time of His return
5. Christianity is a lie
I'm anxious to see informed responses to this. The general context of the Gospels also indicate that Christ didn't expect there would be much time between His death, resurrection and the end of days, as He just asked people to follow Him and leave everything behind. That conflicts with the "On this rock I will build my Church", though, and at this point I can only scratch my head in confusion.
Thanks for any enlightning information you may have.
Is torrenting movies/music a sin? I support the artists by going to movies I'm interested in when they're out and buying vinyl records but my cashflow can't keep up with all of it, especially now that I'm considering being a film scholar or filmmaker. I try to see it as a sort of library and I figure that the artist would most likely take pleasure that I'm viewing their work but I could see how The Lord would consider it a sin. Bless y'all and peace be with you. Love conquers all.
Be a fish eater!
Weekly reminder that the Lord was crucified on friday and that we therefore do not eat meat on fridays.
This is meant to keep the memory alive and to repent from our regular sinning.
If it is friday -> eat fish!
he do
Does He have a plan for me
I am 22 years old autistfag with no job and few qualifications, but with little ability due to anxiety.
I've tried many things, like having a proper sleeping pattern, helping the homeless, working at a Marie Curie shop, library, college studying…
None of it sticks, none of it lasts a long time.
Does God have a plan for me? Should I stop worrying about my future and trust in God that something will find me, that He'll give me a purpose? Or by saying that am I just shifting my own lack of commitment to God and being blind to myself?
What do you guys think of >>>/christian/ ?
Lately they've been having some good threads, the moderation is on point imo.
There's even been some threads from other religions (sikhs, mormons, islam, jew) that have been up and not deleted. Despite some people promoting false-religions…
Converting to Mormonism.
OP of >>981 here, after two years of study I'm finally converting from the Presbyterian Church (USA) to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I'm going to get interviewed by the sisters tomorrow.
I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this, but I think in the end it's all gonna be worth it.
Two per cent of Anglican priests don't believe in God, survey finds
As a prerequisite for the job of being a Church of England priest, it would seem not unreasonable to expect a belief in God to be fairly essential.
But this is not the case, according to a poll of Anglican clergy which found that as many as 16 per cent are unclear about God and two per cent think it is no more than a human construct.
It is 30 years since David Jenkins, then the Bishop of Durham, caused controversy by casting doubt on the resurrection, but it appears that such unorthodox views are widespread amongst Britain’s priests.
In addition to those who describe God as a human creation, the YouGov poll found that three per cent believe there is some sort of spirit or life force and 9 per cent argue it is impossible to imagine what God is like.
Clergy were significantly more likely to hold unorthodox beliefs the older they were and the longer they had been in the ministry. Nearly 90 per cent of those ordained since 2011 believe in God compared with only 72 per cent of those who became priests in the 1960s, the research discovered.
The General Synod, the Church’s parliament, rejected moves to introduce “heresy trials” to take action against clergy over “doctrinal, ritual and ceremonial” matters, leaving clergy and bishops relatively free to deviate from doctrine without punishment, though it is unusual to hear priests openly saying they don’t believe in God.
However, there is an organisation called Sea of Faith that rejects the Church’s traditional belief in one personal God and which claims to represent dozens of vicars.
The Rev David Paterson, a retired Church of England priest, said there was no conflict in preaching while being unable to believe in God. “Within my congregation I would take the line that how you feel about God is not in the least dependent on whether you think God exists or not. I preach using God’s terminology, but never with the suggestion that God actually exists,” he told University Times, Trinity College Dublin’s newspaper.
“Once you have accepted that religion is a human creation, then it is like art and literature and things like that. They are an extremely valuable way to understand yourself.”
Alison Ruoff, a lay member of the General Synod, said she did not understand how someone could be a priest at the same time as not believing in God. “They shouldn’t have been selected, but if they have lost their faith it’s a great shame,” she said. “Clergy just preach social clap-trap these days. We expect better from them.”
The YouGov survey interviewed more than 1,500 Anglican clergy from the Church of England, Church in Wales, and Scottish Episcopal Church. It was commissioned by the Westminster Faith Debates.
Original Sin
How is your denomination or your personal belief shaped and affected by the concept of Original Sin?
This, of course, refers to the first sin of humanity; committed by Eve, then Adam.
Bonus points: How do you deal with this if you are a theistic evolutionist?
BEHOLD MORTALS I HAVE BECOME JUXFUX, PERSONIFICATION OF ALL THE FUCKED UP SHIT IN YOUR WORLD, NOW BEND YOUR KNEE OR I'LL FUCK YOU ALL SHIT UP RIGHT NOW, AND DON'T EVEN TRY TO PUT AN ALIMONY ON ME, THAT HUMAN TRICKERY CAN NOT PHASE ME ANYMORE.
ONLY TRIPS CAN STOP ME NOW.
Exorcism
What do you think of exorcisms and demonic possession?
http://tribune.com.pk/story/435165/exorcism-boom-in-poland-sees-magazine-launch/
It's on the rise everywhere and this is partly due to the fact that we are now able to differentiate mere mental illness from potential possession (or actual possession, in the case of unexplained phenomena, such as levitation, projectile vomitting of substances that weren't inside the person before a session, such as nails, or the sudden ability to speak Latin, Aramaic, ancient Greek, etc).
I've read pic-related many years ago and was thoroughly impressed, though it gave me the impression of being well-written fiction rather than an account of facts. Father Martin is a special father to be sure, but that doesn't mean he was necessarily a liar. Your opinion on him is welcome.
Exorcisms are practiced by many non-Catholics and those work as well, is this proof that the Church of Christ is not restricted to one denomination? Is the whole idea of possession a lie?
Do the possessed carry any responsibility for their possession? Martin suggests that they do, that nobody gets possessed without responsibility, while the possessions in the Bible do not suggest any responsibility at all, and no biblical possessed person is ever reproached on their possession.
Also, what is the purpose, for a demon, to possess humans? I've heard that they basically want to feel carnal pleasure again.
Can human spirits possess live humans? Is this restricted to demons?
What is the best evidence we have for the existence of demons and the devil?
ITT: exorcisms and demons. Dump all you have, too.
hey look another splinter board started by an assfurious protestant shitposter i bet this is gonna take off and be super popular
Why not /rel/?
Why use a board dedicated to a particular religious orientation when you can use the general religion board?
Welcome to /christ/
Welcome! Here's a thread for newcomers. Here you can ask all your questions and be warmly welcomed by everyone on /christ/.
Nice to Fellowship With Believers
Hi, you are welcome to read my newest articles written today titled, 'A Daily Word devotional, 'Read | Revelation 3:14-22' and 'The Fuit Of The Believer'.
These aer on my board at http://8ch.net/jesusislord
Is illness a punishment by the Lord?
Is death a punishment by the Lord?
Christians and homosexuality
The Bible seems to be pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin, but I know/see/hear about Christians (or people who say they are Christians) who are practicing homosexuals. I've read articles claiming that there are examples of condoned homosexual relationships in the Bible, although they weren't very convincing. So, I'd like to get some opinions or whatever from /christ/.
Sorry if there's already a thread; I did look, but not very hard.
Scientology thread
Scientology has a wacky history as everyone probably knows. Here's a question: would the German government be right to to not give it tax benefits, and to discriminate against it? Assuming Germany is right about it being an abusive cult?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_in_Germany#Legal_status
https://www.ekd.de/kirchenfinanzen/kirchensteuer/steuerbefreiungen.html
This is the official webpage of the Lutheran Church of Germany that mentions their tax benefits because of their status as public corporation and a lot of communities including non-Catholic/Lutheran ones like Orthodox Christians, Jews, Mennonites, Evangelicals, but also one Muslim communitiy and even a few humanist associations enjoy the same privileges.
They get tax breaks and can collect church taxes(though a lot of them haven't made use of this right so far for example the Muslims and the humanists).
But for more information on the finances of the churches in Germany, I recommend reading 'Violettbuch der Kirchenfinanzen' by Carsten Frerk.
Wiki says the discrimination is more than just tax breaks. Germany also spent public funds to send undercover investigators inside scientology for years, in the manner that you would penetrate a criminal syndicate. But Scientology is known for trying to infiltrate authorities themselves.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
But then again, the major churches have non-clerical representatives in virtually all parties.
DARPA PLAYING G-D?
DARPA’s CAPP’s current goal is to discover biotechnological methods that allow soldiers to function without food or sleep for up to 7 days
They will modify BRAINS. They will take away the need to rest. Is this going too far?
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), often known as the “mad scientist wing” (Gayle, 2012) of the DoD, has allocated an annual budget of $2 billion to several different projects all working towards building a supersoldier( Posel, 2013, para. 1). The main hope for accomplishing such a feat lies in genetic engineering,
DARPA’s Continuous Assisted Performance Program’s current goal is to discover biotechnological methods that allow soldiers to function without food or sleep for up to seven days (Seal, 2003).
Scientists have looked to the animal kingdom for these answers, with a particular interest in bottlenose dolphins and the sled dogs of the Iditarod. Sam Ridgway, Ph.D. in neurobiology from the University of Cambridge and President of the National Marine Animal Foundation, is conducting research to discover how dolphins remain vigilant for extended durations of time. Scientists have found that these mammals have to ability to practice unihemispheric sleep (Castro, 2003). The phenomena is that while one hemisphere of the brain is asleep, the other half remains alert. When tired, the dolphin simply wakes up the now refreshed portion of its brain while the weary section goes to sleep. Studies starring two bottlenose dolphins have repeatedly demonstrated the animals’ ability to last five days in this state with no decrease in activity or attentiveness. By determining which genes make this inherent trait possible, DARPA hopes to trigger the same ability in its soldiers
DARPA is also attempting to alter the genes that control the body’s metabolism (Posel, 2013, para. 5).
By modifying the rate at which fat is converted into pure energy, soldiers could, in theory, go without food for days. The most promising avenue of inquiry is a project investigating the Huskies and Malamutes of the Iditarod and how they are capable of running thousands of miles without developing extreme debility. The head of the project, Dr. Michael S. Davis, professor of Veterinary Physiology at Oklahoma State University, has discovered that these dogs reserve their fat and glycogen stores by spontaneously changing their metabolic rates. This capability allows the animals to run 100 miles a day with a slowed metabolism similar to the one assumed when sleeping; in less than 24 hours, they are able to switch back to their usual metabolic rate, one that is similar to a man’s (Robson, 2008). If this genetic trait could be adapted to humans, soldiers would have insurmountable endurance and stamina on the battlefield.
Read more on >>>/midpol/447
Politics without Extremism.
Answer me this /christ/
>be alone with a girl
>She pulls out condom
>Makes me wear it.
>She bends over
>I put my dick somewhere but I don't feel anything but warmth at the top
>cum in 10 seconds
>Later when I ask her if we did it she says no and I that a was grinding at her vagina.
So what's up /christ/ Am I still a virgin or not?
Been bothering me for a while
What authority are parents supposed to have over their children?
Does a child need to obey its parents?
Always?
When would it be appropriate to not obey?
We are meant to honour our parents, does this mean that we have to love them too?
Do you think that Jesus ever failed to obey Mary?
How should parents treat their children?
Should corporal punishment be a thing?
If so, are there restrictions?
Parenting and education in general, feel free to add questions as you like.
Buy a Baby's Liver For Just $24K!
View my latest article 'Buy a Baby's Liver For Just $24K!' on my discussion board - http://8ch.net/jesusislord
Planned Parenthood and StemExpress should be ashamed of themselves, and our government needs to take swift and decisive action against them, even if that means changing some current laws.
Now is the time for action.
(For all those who have had abortions or participated in abortions – it may have been an agonizing choice for you as well – there is mercy and forgiveness in the Lord if you will turn to him with a sincere heart.)
General purpose Molokan thread.
Howdy y'all /goodchristian/ here
I'm making this thread so that there are clear guidelines as to how to explain to non-christians why there are so many christian boards on 8chan without saying that one is necessarily the 'correct' one
Mostly because i think it's embarrassing for christianity if everbody's trying to shill their board as the 'correct' one in the course of preaching on /b/, which both /christ/ and /goodchristian/ are want to do (preaching, that is).
My proposal, at least for /goodchristian/, is that board differences are explained in terms of moderation styles. /christian/ bans like a typical internet forum, /christ/ seems to ban nsfw and spam and /goodchristian/ bans nothing. By explaining the differences in this way rather than theologically or saying that one is 'better' than another, we all avoid the risk of making christianity look petty and childish. We are all equal in the eyes of God after all.
That said, I'm sure we'd all like everyone to go to our particular board but in the meantime some respect for God and the religion we believe in would be good too
Anglican General
Hello, in the spirit of communication and understanding, I have decided to create a general for discussion around the Anglican Communion. I will maintain this general to this end. Some quick question and answers to get us started
>What is the Anglican Communion
It is simply a collection of churches associated with (in 'communion' with) the Archbishop of Canterbury. It is not a relationship of direct authority and the Archbishop of Canterbury technically has no authority outside of his own diocese. As we shall see, rejection of central authority (other than God, obviously) is key to our faith. Currently we have 80,000,000 people who follow our Communion. Most of them are in Africa but generally our followers are everywhere.
>What do you believe
Simply put, it varies. However, generally the 39 articles set out our faith quite well (although they hold no direct authority anymore):
http://www.cofec.org/The%2039%20Articles%20of%20Religion.pdf
>Are you Catholics
A common confusion is found in our church, as many of us will refer to ourselves as 'Catholics.' This is because we claim to have apostolic succession, follow many of the traditions of the Catholic church and have clear Orders that are similar to Catholic Orders (and have had varying levels of recognition by both the Eastern and Roman church). Some Anglicans are much more Catholic than others: we have low and high church factions and a group of very dedicated 'Anglo-Catholics' who get quite close to being Roman.
>Are you Protestant
In so much as anyone who is not Roman or Eastern are Protestants, yes. Certainly, many Protestant (usually referred to as Reformers in our literature) influenced our church. As you see in the 39 articles, we believe in sola scriptura (more on that later), reject purgatory, are somewhat evangelical (like Anglo-catholics, there are Anglo-Evangelicals) and our priests can marry. However, for many Protestants, we don't go nearly far enough
>Associated texts
The King James Version of the Bible (Authorised Version) is traditionally preferred, the Apocrypha (included originally in the KJV) is used quite heavily, especially in the Book of Common Prayer (BCP). The BCP is exactly that, it is the traditional worship of our church. Although it isn't used as much these days. There is a modern version of the BCP, used by the Church of England, called 'Common Worship.'
>Do you follow Sola Scriptura
Simply put, yes. As written in the articles 'Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation.' However, tradition and the church is considered very, very important. With it being well suited to connect you to the scripture and the word of God.
>You seem like a muddled group
We are and that is kind of the point. We believe in unity, which is found through toleration and understanding of our fellow Christains (and man generally). Sadly, the troubles of the modern era has tested this to limit and our church is currently losing members in many regions. There are many splinter groups now.
>What about Women's priests and bishops
This is too big of an argument for me to get across in this OP. I will discuss it later in detail. Women priests have been seen as essential to the unity and harmony of the church. Many argue it goes against scipture, the majority do not (hence why we now ordain women). My own personl view is that we should not ordain women, however I view it is unimportant to myself and my own salvation. Some people are very strongly against women in these roles and have usually have access to bishops/priests.
>Resources
1611 Authorised Bible (alongside the Apocrypha):
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible/
1662 Book of Common Prayer:
https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/book-of-common-prayer.aspx
39 Articles of Religion:
Race and Religion
What is the proper way for a follower of Jesus Christ to view and think about Race, and the various kinds of human beings who inhabit this Earth?
Is ethnic pride, even Nationalism, compatible with the words of Christ? Conversely, are blatant miscegenation for its own sake and "multiculturalism" compatible?
How should one view the obvious disparity of ability and achievement between the races in a purely Christ-centered way? Purely doctrinal.
The New Sodom/Babylon
Given the things that have happened recently, I think this should be the final straw.
If no-fault divorce, abortion, contraceptives, euthanasia, and pornography weren't enough, now we can add sodomite "marriage" to the list.
The United States can no longer call itself blessed by God.
If anything, we are most likely going to be chastised in the following years.
Of course, there's still time. We can repent, organize a mission to the Godless.
But, alas, it may very well be in vain.
For "their ears are uncircumcised, and they cannot hear: behold the word of the Lord is become unto them a reproach: and and they will not receive it." – Jeremiah 6: 10
Therefore, brethren. Let us gather the righteous and form our own place.
Let us be separated from the ungodly.
If that is not possible, then may we pray for God's will to be done.
If the United States must collapse as an example of what happens when a nation turns from God, so be it.
I welcome its burning, so that the righteous may be vindicated.
But be wary, my brethren!
There will be false prophets among you, who will declare peace, and there will be no peace!
Do not regard these charletans, rather, look to the Lord for guidance and virtue.
He will guide his people to better shores, whether on this earth or in the heavens.
Stay stalwart in faith, my brethren.
Combat the evils of the world as best you can.
The Lord protects and His Word abides.
Martyrdom
Hypothetical scenario: You are going to die, there's no way around it. What could be a scenario or course of action that could lead you to having a "righteous death" for your faith, or even become a Martyr?
The hypothetical isn't restricted only to things under your direct control, you may speculate and set up scenarios dictating the actions of others towards yourself or your loved ones.
As a related scenario, what would it take for aggressive actions on your part towards another individual or several to be considered righteous? Is this even possible?
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Relative Law by Moses
"Jesus replied, 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.'"
Matthew 19:8
So Moses defines certain laws based on the sort of people he leads; in other words, the law is relative to the people in certain cases.
Do we know where Moses allowed divorce in Scripture?
Hardness of heart does suggest that marriage back then was of a different nature, not necessarily romantic. In fact, marriage as we know it has only become a romantic thing recently; before that, it was much more pragmatic, business-like, intended to create babies first and foremost. Then it became romantic, and that means sexual. Marriage is now tax-deductible sex, basically, except for those countries where being married and having your spouse work as well makes you pay more taxes than if you weren't married at all.
Church
I tried going to Church for a while. I really don't see much benefit from it. I think personal prayer and contemplation and reading the Bible bring me a lot closer to God and improve my behaviour a lot more than Church.
I think at most I would like to go to a home-based Church where you'd pray together and do bible study. Are there any movements/denominations that support this kind of thing?
Hearken.
"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God"? - Peter
These are some of the things which God has commanded me to say concerning your sins and concerning things to come. Hearken.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him".
Liars saved by Grace - http://www.mediafire.com/view/qpenppoc5hq5odf/Liars_saved_by_grace.pdf
Concerning women leading men - http://www.mediafire.com/view/qarw7vc6cbikela/Men_and_Women._Lords_and_Daughters.pdf
Concerning your music and sacrifices -
http://www.mediafire.com/view/6axcz08cu3qnymr/Music_response.pdf
Concerning required perfection - http://www.mediafire.com/view/z3ot98yxxtalf7m/T.docx
Another warning concerning the antichrist - http://www.mediafire.com/view/9g74o2t85jw3gbv/Warning.pdf
**No I am not the false "Prophet Andrew" with the youtube, twitter, facebook, and website. Satan set him up to keep you all from listening to me.
I am not either the false prophet Andrew in Africa who claims to have raised a man from the dead with no proof.
Neither is my father the false prophet who has started a false prophet school.**
8chan's Christians
/christian/ has started to get me down, this is what I see near constantly. /christ/ is much better but not flawless:
>racism
>denominational bickering
>roman arrogance (I don't want to single you guys out and maybe it is just because I am anglican)
>general smugness to perceived lesser christians (reddit mostly)
>hatred towards people
Why do we allow this to continue. Chans appear to be a valuable tool to bringing people to the Lord but we seem to be so lacking ourselves.
General purpose Iglesia ni Cristo thread.
i got banned from /christian/ because of my views on gay marriage
I wasnt acting out of line or anything either I was just debating civilly why is the mod such a cuck?
"Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here."
It's fun :DDD
Reptilians
What does /christ/ think of Reptilians?
What's the deal with Francis' backstages?
Video Games and Morality
What should be the approach of a follower of Christ towards video games? Meaning, would you apply a similar code of ethics that you apply to your real life to a simulation (or at least partially), or is it simply entertainment and we shouldn't stress too much over it.
Also, what games does /christ/ enjoy?
Sola Scriptura
One of the main beliefs that distinguishes Protestants from the rest of Christendom is the belief in "Sola Scriptura": the belief that the Bible is not only the sole source of religious authority, but that it is perfect and without any error.
How could one reconcile this with the fact that it was the Catholic/Orthodox/Roman Church lets not start a debate on that now that collected, categorized and compiled the Bible? Was "the Church" perfect and inspired at the time but lost said inspiration somewhere along the way? Did a perfect book come out of a, not only imperfect but eventually (to protestants) sinful and heretical institution?
What's the deal with this?
christian art
Lets have one of this threads.
Animals
How should animals be treated, from a Gospel perspective?
I understand, for example, that they do not have souls like we do and that; with the exception of cats, panda bears and sloths; animals are part of God's creation. Is it ethical to eat them? And if so, how should we handle the slaughter process?
Is it ethical to keep them as pets or should they all be resigned to the cruel but functional wilds?
Anybody else /methodist/ here?
Let's do this
Murder
i come to you because someone suggested this board to me
i am not a good man, and i am not very educated
i write to you from a prison. i am here for the rest of my life. i have committed bad acts including murder and rape. i am a violent man.
i hate the christians i know. they are liars and hypocrites. i hope you are different.
i have a question: am i beyond redemption? what should i do? i have done horrible things that can never be repaired. i deserve hell
thank you for responding, if you do. dont expect answer from me as i am not often allowed internet access. if i misbehave, i may not come back in months. i misbehave often, too.
before i go i want to know exactly what to do to be saved. give me all the details i will need
Catholicism
[Reposted here by request.]
To give everyone something to discuss, and to test the waters, here's a thread about Catholicism.
I'll position myself as a "lost Christian" in that I don't know which Church to choose and I tend to think no Church will ever do. Not sure a "stand alone" Christian can even be Christian, but I'll be with you if you'll have me.
By conscience, I feel I can't be Catholic because I cannot bring myself to believe in everything Catholicism holds as a dogma. I find conflicts between Christ and Church. In my impression, the Catholic Church holds legalism in a much higher esteem than early Christians, who were more concerned intent than laws and rules. Is this a Roman characteristic originally? To systematise and organise? It would make sense in more ways than one. I feel this approach, for a religion, tends to choke faith; at any rate, that's how I felt when I got too close to Catholicism. It weakened my faith for as long as I gave it full credit. The only way to save my faith was to sever from Catholicism to some degree, so that's what I did.
There's no point in being a "good Catholic" if I have zero faith in the religion I chose. The Bible does say that even good deeds are worthless if not done for the right reasons. Intent matters.
I've often asked this question: is it possible to be a Catholic if you don't agree 100% with the Church? I was often told that no, it is not possible. It's not even a choice, as far as I am concerned, it directly contradicts some fundamentals of my faith. I could no sooner submit to Catholic dogma than I could let down Christ. That's my dilemma.
I still admire the intellectual work the Church has done and I still admire the CCC for 95% of what it says. It's smart and well done.
But I can't get behind the ritualistic and systematised angle. I don't deny the power of rituals, I'm just skeptical that rituals are the heart of it all. There are some that I can't get behind altogether, like confession. I've been told that all these things are made for man, and not man for these things, paraphrasing Christ, and that's a great angle, and very Biblical, but still, I can't get to go Catholic the whole way.
I used to pray the rosary in my own unlearned ways (I only know two prayers by heart) but even that I had to stop. I feel bad about praying to Mary due to Protestant input I received as of late. Dubious Marian apparitions also made me become more skeptical, between hoaxes and potential demonic apparitions, I no longer know who to trust. Rosaries on hold until further notice.
I feel like Catholicism (and doubtless other religions) choke the mysticism of the faith. Because of all these rules and laws, I can't even pray anymore without feeling bad, and that, I think, is contrary to Christ's own words. I shouldn't feel this way about the rules and laws, right? These have always been around to help us, not to punish us.
This isn't an anti-Catholic thread. Anyone can participate. All input is welcome. Discuss all you want.
Refugees
So what's about them? Quite the topic here actually.
Many Church members will claim that it would be our duty to accept every single one of them and take all that wanna come here, as Christians.
But is this true? Is it mandatory to take anyone?
If we shouldn't, how do you justify that? What's the alternative in the current situation?
In what cases we would need to open borders for refugees?
Would you personally allow a stranger in your house if he asked you:
For tonight?
For a week?
Forever?
What would you say to someone poor that approaches you and says that they have no reason to believe in God because of their situation?
It is understandable that they might think that God either does not care for them, does not love them or even hates them.
How would you explain the value of spiritual well being to someone that struggles to make a living for his family?
I'm sure you get where I wanna go here. Isn't it somehow understandable that an ungodly ideology like Marxism/Socialism/Communism relies on these people?
Can we blame them for that?
Linguistics ain't free. The tree of eternal life gotta be littered with the blood of the unbelieving. Yeshua, aka jewish conspiracy is not my saviour. He's a tool of Satan and probably antichrist as well :DD.
Jesus and Greek, not Yeshua and jews, ok.
Praise Jesus.
World prepares for Antichrist
World prepares for the antichrist.
Orthodox here.
Hey Catholics, quit it with this sin and confession nonsense.
You're nothing but mere mortal men, who gave you the right to govern and judge others? Are you god? Incorruptible unlike the rest of us? No man is without sin nor flaw. Understand this, and you'll go far.
In our church, we believe that a relationship with god is personal, and that the bible was written also by mere men. The bible to us is nothing more than a collection of moral stories to preach basic ethics and morals. This, along with the values of jesus christ himself are our core tenants.
Also Native Orthodox guy here. Happy to answer all questions any of you may have about our ancient, mysterious and misunderstood church and way of life.
When does a thought become sinful?
Thinking about sinning, is this enough? Can we controll our thoughts sufficiently to avoid "bad" thoughts or do they make us sinners inevitably?
If I think about lying to someone, or stealing something, or doing immoral things to a woman, is this sin? Even if I in the end don't do it?
How severe is it? Does it harm our soul? Lead to worse?
Ever had problems with this, just tell.
Respectful Questions
I really like this board you guys have here, and as a Protestant it is good to know that I have somewhere to flee if /Christian/ finally decides to start erasing us.
But I have also noticed that this board is primarily Mormons, so with that being the case, I would like to ask the Mormons here some respectful questions.
The first one is: Do you really believe that Jesus was born a human and ascended into Godhood? Or is that just a myth about Mormonism?
Test: Which Denomination Do You Fit?
http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=christiandenom
Do it!
Prayer
How do you pray, /christ/?
How often do you do so, and what is your preferred method of prayer? Any aids like Rosary Beads, Prayer beards or other?
Do you find prayer to be an effective way to enhance spirituality; does it combat stress and help keep sin at bay?
How do you feel when you pray?
Also, open forum for anyone requesting a prayer for themselves or others.
Let's Go Preach!
So, brothers, where are you going to preach today?
If you're unsure on how to do this, consult this thread: http://8ch.net/christ/res/333.html
Just play it cool: open a thread saying something along the lines of "I'm a Christian, ask me anything."
Where should we do this? Got any ideas? Will we get banned? What if someone shows up in a thread and derails it with God? Is this going too far?
Discuss.
Know Your Tripfag
Considering our board culture found it useful to have trips, and that many of us use a name, I thought we could have a thread where everyone with a name makes a short (or long, actually) presention of themselves.
This could be useful to newcomers, as well as to regular posters/readers. Whenever I see a new name, my first reflex is to ask them everything until I get an idea of what they're about.
If you're here and don't have a name, consider getting one. It brings that family feel and everyone here enjoys sees familiar names. No pressure though.
Question to Mormons
How do you deal with the fact that the Book of Abraham was a fraud?
/suicide/
It's time to do some actual good. I suggest we go to /suicide/ and try to help.
Come only if you can put your preaching second to your helping. Jesus didn't ask Lazarus what denomination he was before helping him.
/atheism/
Dear All,
I've stepped into the godless world of /atheism/ for the past few days or so – I go to all sorts of places really, including oldchan and the homo boards here – and I made a thread presenting myself and our board. And it's been all right!
I've simultaneously conversed on /atheism/ and /b/ (here) and the brand of atheists you'll find on /atheism/ is the better sort. These are the ones who care. There are many ex-Christians there, I found, and they are in earnest. Some seem deeply wounded by the faith and some have deeprooted resentment about Christianity.
So far as I experienced, most are respectful if you stay cool. Most also are all right with the idea of doing some interboard communication. I don't know what shape this could take, but I thought of doing some "official /christ/ thread" where we focus our efforts in responding to atheists; this would require minimising our personal disagreements, which may not interest them as much as it does us.
They're already fed up with /christian/ and they seem to be getting plenty of Christian visitors, few of which offer quality posts (in their opinion), and that's where you guys can make a difference.
If you choose to visit them, please arm yourself with patience and calm and don't lose your cool. See it as a spiritual exercise if you want, but do not insult them or get mad, as much as you can. See my "Preach" thread for more information on how to talk to the atheist audience.
They already perceive me as either a "good Christian" or, in the worst case scenario, a "diluted Christian" who's not far away from atheistm, which of course isn't far from the truth at all. But that's where you guys can make the difference I can't make: you have a denomination, you can speak for it and most of you are well-informed.
Another thing we could do is add "/christ/" to our names when we post there. It'll be a seal of approval of sorts, and it'll also help define our board and give it a separate identity from /christian/, as well as draw more people to us.
If you wear our name, do us proud.
Question: who's game for this? Can you handle the atheism? I will not blame you if you choose not to go there, don't worry. This is perhaps where it's easier for me than for you, because I'm used to atheism more than I am to Christianity and even destructive arguments will not find much to destroy in my case.
So?
What are your views on the Eucharist? And do you think it's right to just throw oblates into the crowd, like Swedish preachers do?
Free Will Is Real
Just so you know how to argue in case someone denies free will.
Pope Francis Apologizes to Indians
How does this make you feel, /christ/?
>Pope Francis apologized Thursday for the sins, offenses and crimes committed by the Catholic Church against indigenous peoples during the colonial-era conquest of the Americas, delivering a powerful mea culpa on the part of the church in the climactic highlight of his South American pilgrimage.
Are there any prophecies in the Bible that have actually, verifiably come true? And I don't mean
>prophecies whose fulfillment is only recorded in the Bible (especially if it's part of the same story in which the prophecy is delivered)
>prophecies that predicted something really vague
>prophecies that predicted something that was likely to happen eventually without giving a specific date
>prophecies that only came true because people knew about them and took actions to fulfill them on purpose or any other sort of self-fulfilling prophecy
Basically you should be able to use some common sense to tell if a prophecy "counts".
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Job and the Issue of Biblical Literalism
Do you interpret to story of Job literally or do you believe it to be allegorical/metaphorical?
Why or why not?
Crusades on >>>/islam/ when?
Universalism
I've started using the flag for Universalism, which I thought was a bit better than the Liberal Christian flag, in an attempt to narrow down what sort of Christian I am; because of this, I've been looking at what Universalism is.
I found out that Universalists generally mix with Unitarians, a mix I don't favour myself, although I see why one might include the other.
In this thread, we discuss Universalism, what it is, what you think of it, etc.
Will Pope Francis Break the Church?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/05/will-pope-francis-break-the-church/389516/
I just read this piece, what are your thoughts on it?
Vatican II General
We discuss Vatican II: its intent, effects and the reactions its since elicited from believers.
What exactly was the Second Vatican II? What did it change and why was it needed?
How does this affect you personally, what do you think about it? Do you agree or disagree?
What would you say to dissenters and those who oppose the change? If this is you, explain your reasoning.
i want to confess
i am the definition of reprobate. both my parents sexually abused me, ironically they were both involved in freemasonry. in preschool around age 4 i molested my peers, got in trouble for it, and have never engaged with people sexually since then. i molested a dog, i dreamed of molesting kids, i masturbated a lot to gay porn and anime shota. i smoked a lot of weed and drank a lot of alcohol. i dropped out of high school and community college. i got a 666 tattoo and an inverted cross on me. they were free.
only recently do i realize how fucked i am. i looked up the definition of reprobate, it includes "somebody who is predestined for hell."
am i fucked eternally? i don't know if i can turn from a life of sin in this moment. sin is all i know. i smell rotten meat in my soul, that's what satanism has brought me.
all of you on the path of the righteous, stay on it. deviation from it will kill you. i feel like i was killed before i was even born. it is that way because heaven can't exist without hell. i hope you make it to heaven. these demons know you better than you know yourself. be careful.
We've received your interest in a cross-board dialogue, however I would like to trump it with a merger.
/goodchristian/ allows all Christian discussion, both shitposts and serious. This has been the case from the outset. To maintain a 'false split' does not make sense if we want a board that can replace /christian/.
I urge you to consider this. As a sign of my willingness to change some assets (though not rules-let me be clear: not one rule will change) I have replaced some of the flags with yours, like the 7th Day Adventist Flag and the Star of David.
Furthermore, I would also be willing to remove the Jesus in the corner (and replacing it with something you wanted or just not having anything there), changing the CSS and also adding your banners (if they're able to be directly moved, some might have to be modified).
lgbt christians
Are there any Christians here who are also Lesbian/Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, or some other gender/sexual minority?
I'm trans and christian…I'm pretty secure in my beliefs, and my relationship with Christ is okay; but I haven't met many others in a similar position as myself.
What do you think of Terry A. Davis?
Christ & Divorce & Stoning
"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Matthew 19:9
Other translations have unfaithfulness for "sexual immorality", that is, "cheating". My first question has to do with this.
1. If Christ allows divorce for cause of being unfaithful, how does that work considering that adultery gets you death by stoning? What's the point of being divorced officially if you're going to be dead in a short time?
Mormonic bonus for that question: if the "Mosaic laws" are in effect until the Atonement, then how come Christ changes that law before the Atonement?
2. If Christ allows divorce, why don't all Christian denominations allow divorce? I've asked this often but nobody ever answers me.
Catholic bonus for that question: can we go against Christ in the name of tradition? And isn't tradition supposed to support Christ's message and make it clearer? Where are the limits of tradition?
3. Many use this verse to suggest that Christ supported monogamous marriage, due to the idea that divorcing one wife for bad reasons and remarrying another wife makes him an adulterous person because his divorce is not valid and therefore, he is still technically married to her; is this compatible with polygamy? If so, how? How does marrying yet another woman make you adulterous if you can anyway have 50?
4. If Christ allows divorce for adultery, doesn't it ensue that He also does not want adulterous spouses to be stoned to death for it? Why would you need to divorce someone who will die anyway?
That's enough questions for now.
Question: where is the line with syncretism?
Moderately good news, I've started praying again. After reading about the Orthodox faith, I thought of trying the Jesus Prayer, as it's extremely short and requires even less focus than a Hail Mary or Our Father (all the prayers I know by heart); I prayed the Jesus Prayer on my rosary, though. I suppose there's no major problem about that, as long as one is prayer, but it made me wonder where the line is with syncretism.
To me, it's not a relativist approach that suggests all religions are equal, but the idea that no official Church is 100% correct and none of them has convinced me enough to join in any official way. So, I'll take whatever seems good from any Christian faith and reject what isn't, based on the same idea (in which "seems good" means "matches Christ's words and general message" and not simply whether I find it convenient or not).
Is there any Orthodox here who prays the Jesus Prayer and could tell me about it? I like that it allows you to "turn off" and switch to God, which I can't quite do with the other ones, as I need to focus to remember them well.
What of syncretism combing Christianity with nonchristian ideas? What of Christians who practice Buddhist meditation?
Discuss.
There are those who believe that God predetermines our fate and know what will happen in our lives.
Others (myself included) believe in free will, and that God doesn't know what any of us will do (this is why he still creates people who become murderers and such).
Which is it? Or, rather, what do you believe?
Catholicism and Sex
Why is it that some non-Catholic anons view the Catholic position on proper sex as being excessive or prudish? What is the rationale against it?
Additionally, what is the Official Catholic position on proper sexual relations? Do the Orthodox share this definition or do they believe something different?
Low-quality thread, I know. Just noticed a the debacle firing up again on other boards and realized I don't properly understand the issue
Culture and Faith
How do you handle individuals who misguidedly claim to be Christian but adopt pagan rituals, customs or religious practices in the name of culture and heritage?
This problem is rampant in Latin America, where "Catholics" will perform Indian witchcraft and rituals thinking they are somehow ok with Christianity, or pray to Saints who've never been recognized by the Catholic Church.
Likewise, there are Mormon Indians who still cling to some of their pagan witchcraft despite professing faith in the Restored Gospel, like doing peyote, attending "fire dances" or visiting "medicine men".
How can one rebuke and correct these people without coming off as "racist" or hateful?
Pic related, some Mexicans believe Pancho "Fedora" Villa to be a Saint.
LDS General
Let's see how this goes. Not a Mormon, but fascinated with the Church anyhow.
Discuss Mormon doctrine/practices/culture/etc. Debates can happen, but don't be a dick.
Pic related is my BoM and my missionary buddy's triple combo he let me borrow.
Certainty & Brotherhood
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Dear All,
I have noticed that one major difference between myself and most of the people here is that you guys are far more certain of things than I am. This is not a surprise to anyone, naturally. But let's consider this for a moment.
My uncertain position, while not comfortable in the least since I have countless issues that have no answers, allows me to listen to everyone without feeling the urge to call anybody a heretic. I can actually listen, and disagree, or agree, but I don't feel like the very faith is at stake depending on my answer; I assume some of you feel this way, and that failing to answer categorically is akin to failing the faith itself. It's a sin to some of you not to immediately point out the heresy and speak against it.
How can you be so sure? I mean, I understand that it's faith, but I have the impression that it is more than that to many of you. I think it would be important to reconsider your positions on certainty, just so that we can all converse as friends without our differences being in the way. We don't want to become another /christian/, do we? So we'll have to get along and accept our differences.
It is possible to do so and it is made easier if you apply a bit more skepticism to your own position (which I understand is also a sort of sin to some of you). Fighting with your brother is no less of a sin, though, so if one thing can help the other, don't hesitate.
This also means that we should try to explore topics that aren't necessarily Christian topics, but which we can discuss as Christians; this way, we don't have to argue over theology and doctrine and dogmas.
When /christian/ was new and we were few, we all felt a warm kindred because it was the first time for most of us that we were united as Christians, after years of being lone wolves on the chans, getting tipped on a daily basis. This lasted quite some time, and then, as popularity arose and certainty set in, as we got used to the idea that we were now the majority, we started forgetting about the world out there and we became bitching monks, arguing about the monastery, forgetting about the world.
I still miss the way things were in the beginning and I hope we can have that here, but it implies focusing on what makes us alike and what makes us different from others, not what makes us different from each other. We should all make a conscious effort of doing this, because if we don't, we'll end up arguing over doctrine more often than not, and in the end we won't even want to come back. And don't think I'm patronising, I'm probably the first to argue forever over doctrine and tackle every single point I find. I do this because I am uncertain and I want to know, and I want to attack points to see if they can be defended, and I want to save my little faith. I realise that. The only thing I have going for me in this behaviour is that I am unsure, so I'm unlikely to call someone a heretic with any authority. Bottom line, I don't know.
We are more varied today than we were 2 months ago, and along with this diversity, we must ensure that everyone feels welcome. We now have atheists, Mormons, agnostics, and who knows what else, and I think we all want them to feel welcome here. If you'd rather a more segregated board, there's always /christian/, and I don't say that as sarcasm. This board was created so we could all freely speak about everything. So far, it has been so; it is a true haven for free speech and all of us have behaved accordingly: not temptation to test the authority, nobody's treated like a child, so nobody behaves like one.
That's about all I wanted to say. Some of us aren't so sure, and we should strive to take that into account to ensure we can still enjoy interesting conversations without losing the brotherhood we're trying to create here. I had to say it because I'm too red-blooded much of the time and I feel I am very often near the limit of brotherhood with regards to others on this board.
(cont.)
Christian Agnostic General
Any Christian Agnostics here? I've always wondered how many held similar beliefs to mine.
Masturbation and You
What are your thoughts on masturbation? Is it a sin that will draw you further away from the Lord, or is it a harmless physical act that one may due to their leisure?
What does your "denomination" say about masturbation? Lets us debate and be civil.
The Apocalypse
Do you expect a literal apocalypse? Do you think the Book of the Apocalypse is a list of what will unfold literally (or do you think it's basically code for contemporary Christians and really talks about the Roman empire and shares secrets as to what to do and what to avoid and such, the same way the French had a list of coded sentences to communicate secretly without the Germans knowing what the real meaning was?)?
When do you think the end will be? (Nobody knows, I know.)
Personally, I don't actually expect the world to end this way any time soon, or ever (this way). I have no idea what to do with Apocalypse as a text.
ITT: Sad
Post here if you're sad
I just realized (this isnt anything new) that a lot of things in the world dont really matter .Ive had this thing before but the feelings come back again after a while.
>sex
>love
>family
>friends
>people
>living in general
Only things that matter to me is what I anticipate to do in the future, everything just feels like waiting and waiting.
Is Christianity Communist?
I personally hold Christianity to be beyond politics (in that Christianity is about doing good, while politics is about how to do good, which makes them mutually compatible, with some possible exceptions we can discuss) but I have often heard the claim that Christ was a communist.
The idea of sharing together, of not owning anything that the rest of the group doesn't own too, the idea of the meek being victors over the rest (the working class over the owners of the capital), etc, makes many see a connection between the two.
"The people shall not live by bread alone," is a strong verse against this idea, in my opinion, as it states that spirituality, and humans as souls, is more important than materialism and humans as bellies, who need food before all else.
Discuss Christianity and Communism. (And caption this picture for bonus keks.)
what do you think about the dead sea scrolls?
Exchristian
>mind presenting yourself to me
Sure, although it will be a long post deserving of a new thread. I'm now an atheist, or more precisely an apostate. I bounced between mainstream protestant denominations like Luthernism and Southern Baptist, but I also have Catholic relatives too.
Unlike most posters here, I had the cornerstones of my faith destroyed one by one by random chances over the years. I can't even say there was a single thing that made me leave my faith more than any other. There could be too many to list, but I can try to chronologically list what shaped my views. They included….
Accepting evolution, accepting the rights of homosexuals, seeing the hypocrisy intolerance and self-righteouusness of my family, watching my kindest and most Christian grandmother die alone and unloved with cancer (refutation of the rewards of unselfish love) and then the other intolerant Christian relatives swooped in to lay claim her inheritance. A trip to Japan (where people of a foreign belief system provided random kindness), a trip to Vietnam where I met friendly Atheists volunteering in Doctors without Borders who were courageously doing charity beyond what I was willing to do (better people than many Christians were going to hell.)
I also disliked going to church. All churches bored me, but especially the megachurches where a guy in a suit would smile and say the fakest things. I also thought my churches and their charities all tended to waste the tithe money. And I liked the humble and natural aesthetics of the Japanese garden shrines much better than the artificialness of Christian churches. I thought God's house belonged in nature, and praying was more naturally done under the stars.
I also increasingly came to dislike the very religious fundamentalists who find signs of Armageddon and the occult in the newspaper. I thought they were irrational, and tended to be intolerant, xenophobic, and have unchristlike self-righteousness. Meanwhile I read frighteningly unloving passages in the bible, and couldn't find a satisfactory explanation for some of God's actions/genocides. Many parts of the OT (and NT) began to feel like fiction.
By this time I had many unspoken doubts, and my faith was holding on by a thread, even though I didn't know it yet. I took 2 classes in Buddhism and Japanese religion. I already liked aspects of those religions, and wanted to see proof that my religion was more true than theirs, and possibly be able to convert those people. Instead, I didn't find many arguments that couldn't also be used against Christianity. And I liked Buddhism more, even though certain aspects were quite boring.
I liked my professor (a white guy who had converted to Buddhism and studied in Japan), and paid close attention. What he taught about the history of Buddhism also demolished my remaining trust that Christianity was the true religion.
The one that hit me the most was how later Buddhists would invent fake scriptures and then attribute the new scriptures to the disciples of Buddha. (I would come to realize that probably happened in the gospels of Judas or Peter.)
That night when I was at thinking about the lecture I had an epiphany where everything seemed to come together. It's probably similar to what born again Christians have. I realized I would rather live an ephermal good life, and die beautifully than live forever, and it made more sense to me than to chase eternity.
I wouldn't even have to change who I was if I left the religion, but instead would be much more free to become an individual, and could be whoever I wanted to be. I felt emancipated.
But there was also sadness, because I realized I would rather exist in the Buddhist cosmos than in the Christian one. Buddhism provides choices in your lives, second chances for those who are bound for hell, and a more colorful mythology. But I couldn't become a real Buddhist knowing what I knew about its history.
I deconverted some years ago. Ever since then I've been agnostic, and as I continued to absorb information I eventually became a strong atheist. I've been an active poser on >>>/atheism/ but we're running out of things to discuss, which is why there's been so many redundant thread about politics there recently. That's my story
The Assumption of Mary, Mother of Christ
How many Catholics here believe that Mary was taken up to Heaven, body and soul, after her life came to an end?
How many non-Catholics (or non-Apostolic) share this view?
Suppose it would only be fair to welcome arguments against this idea as well.
srael might be Destroyed in 2018 A.D.
Prophecy of the city of Jerusalem being destroyed along with the rest of the Rothschild nation in 2018.
https://johnthewitness.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/mystery-babylon-the-great-israel-or-the-vatican/
Also a redpill on the Jesuit cryptokikes
“The fact that the founder of the Society of Jesus, originally called “‘The Company’ of Jesus,” was a Marrano Jew, should give us pause to reflect and to reassess the official party line that the Jesuits is a “Roman Catholic” institution. As well, to wonder about the source of this propaganda campaign, which is probably the Illuminati. Pastor Torell adds, “While the Popes relied more and more on the Jesuits, they were unaware that the hardcore leadership were Jewish, and that these Jews held membership in the Illuminati Order which despised and hated the Roman Catholic Church.” This seems very generous of Rev. Torrell considering the popes of the Reformation period. [See Pope Chart] The pope who authorized formation of the Society of Jesus in 1540, as well as the Council of Trent conducted by the Jesuits from 1545 to 1563 to crush the Reformation, was quite the reprobate.”
Gd Is Justice; Is Love; Is existence.
God sustains existence at all times by His mighty creative power
God is all things but has specifically given us Free Will in which we can distance ourselves from His Love and Justice. This causes death.
Justice and Love are the same by God. Justice is not a law and a punishment. If an atheist truly rejects God he is free to die as sinners do. Nothing remains.
Love can mean the destruction and killing of certain things because like Light cannot coexist with darkness neither can being and nonbeing.
It is a just thing to kill a man whose purpose in life has become torture and murder. It is a loving thing. It should not be taken lightly because Life is precious and we are all products of our circumstances.
Okay let me add to this.
When Jesus says "render unto caesar" I have no idea why people misquote that set of versus.
Some bibles that annotate even put little headings down and interpret that story as "Jesus said obey government" but what the fuck for it's said in other versions exactly why he spoke so cryptically (the jews trying to catch him in his words to frame him for being a troublemaker) and that his general message was anti self absorbed hierarchy of the jewish patriarchy and against earthly governments in general.
The story of Jesus being tempted by the devil at the top of the world that he could get ALL the worlds governments if he only bows to the devil - that isnt the devil being a liar. He could do that. This again tells you ALL governments are evil and if you read all of Jesus' teachings he isn't saying go be a good tithe payer he is saying that all of that will not make you a good man.
He doesn't say give up all you own and follow me because he thinks being poor is some objective good. He says it because paying taxes and being involved in working for earthly things will only bring more of the worlds worst atrocities. These things were present 2k years ago and probably before we've had writing when permanent settlements began appearing and some men would rob others for "protection" money.
That is all OP enjoy your life.
Pope says families need a miracle, hints at 'scandalous' changes for the church
Hinting that changes could be coming to the Catholic Church, Pope Francis asked a large crowd to pray for God to make miracles out of ideas that some believers might consider "impure" or even "threatening."
Several hundred thousand pilgrims thronged to see the popular pontiff preach Monday at Los Samanes Park in Guayaquil, Ecuador, according to estimates provided by Ecuadorian officials. Waving flags from several South American nations – including Argentina, the Pope's homeland – the crowd cheered Francis like a native son.
Monday is the first full day of Francis' weeklong trip to Ecuador, Bolivia and Paraguay, three of the smallest and poorest nations in South America. In addition to the Mass, Pope Francis is expected on Monday to have tea with Ecuadorian political leaders, pray with a community of Jesuits and visit a cathedral in the capital city of Quito.
Before the Mass, the Pope visited a shrine and prayed with elderly Catholics and sick children.
In his homily, or sermon, the Pope referred to a highly anticipated meeting of bishops to be held in Rome this October. The Catholic leaders are expected to discuss changes to several controversial areas of church teaching, including divorce and homosexuality.
The bishops will "consider concrete solutions," Francis said, "to the many difficult and significant challenges facing families in our time."
"I ask you to pray fervently for this intention," the Pope continued, "so that Christ can take even what might seem to us impure, scandalous or threatening, and turn it … into a miracle. Families today need miracles!"
One proposal for the synod would remove the ban on divorced and remarried Catholics receiving Holy Communion. But several leading conservative bishops argue that the church can't change teachings on marriage that originate with Jesus.
At a preliminary meeting last October, conservatives also scuttled an early draft report that mildly praised same-sex relationships and said gays and lesbians have "gifts to offer" the Christian community.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/06/world/pope-ecuador-scandalous/
On Freemasonry, A General
"Oh Lord, my God, is there no help for the widow's son?"- Alleged Masonic distress call
This thread is dedicated to the discussion, study, understanding, praise and/or condemnation of Freemasonry.
Any and all are welcome to post.
To start, here are two resources on Freemasonry. One an expository text allegedly written by William Morgan (supposedly the first person who revealed the Masonic secrets, and died for it) called "Illustrations of Masonry". This same website contains various texts on the subject.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/morgan/index.htm
The other is an apologetic text by an alleged 33rd Degree Mason named Roger M. Firestone who aims to put the rumors, myths and accusations towards Freemasonry to bed. Judge for yourself.
http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Masonry/Questions/difficult.html
Don't forget to source!
Where were you when Marriage was kill?
Its happening fellas, America has finally decided to embrace faggotry. Scratch that; it has been decided for us grown adults that we have no ability or right to live in a state according to our own desire; that we've no place to say no to homosexuality. That its about time we became "educated" and learned to embrace this sinful shit.
Its the beginning of the end you guys. Next thing you know they fucking Jews will be forcing the lot of us to accept this filth into our most holy places. Nobody is safe. Protestants, Orthodox, Catholics, Mormons, everyone who intends to not be some kind of fringe underground cult will have to either submit to this blasphemous cult or be destroyed.
I just hoping if its gonna go down, that we're gonna go down kicking and screaming. I want the history books to remember us making it hell for these Jews and queers id they think we're just going to take stuff like this laying down.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865631486/Supreme-Court-States-must-grant-same-sex-marriages.html
Pope Francis says divorce can be 'morally necessary'
Pope Francis addressed damaging dynamics within families Wednesday, saying sometimes the separation of a husband and wife may be "inevitable" or "even morally necessary" to protect the "weaker spouse or small children."
>Francis said some troubled spouses are able to overcome their problems and revive their marriages. However, he said not all separated couples can do so.
>"There are cases in which separation is inevitable. Sometimes it can become even morally necessary, precisely when it comes to subtracting the weaker spouse, or small children, from more serious injuries caused by arrogance and violence, by humiliation and exploitation … and by indifference," the pope said, at his weekly general audience.
Supersessionism
What are your thoughts on this belief?
http://www.theopedia.com/Supersessionism
Supersessionism is the traditional Christian belief that Christianity is the fulfillment of Biblical Judaism, and therefore that Jews who deny that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah fall short of their calling as God's Chosen people.
Supersessionism, in its more radical form, maintains that the Jews are no longer considered to be God's Chosen people in any sense. This understanding is generally termed "replacement theology."
The traditional form of supersessionism does not theorize a replacement; instead it argues that Israel has been superseded only in the sense that the Church has been entrusted with the fulfillment of the promises of which Jewish Israel is the trustee. This belief has served not only as the explanation for why believers in Christ should not become Jews, but is also the reason that Jews are not exempted by the Christian churches, from the call of the Gospel to believe in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin and from the penalties due to sin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism
Supersessionism, also called replacement theology or fulfillment theology, is a Christian theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism. Supersessionism is the belief that the Christian Church has replaced the Israelites as God's chosen people and that the Mosaic covenant has been replaced or superseded by the New Covenant. From a supersessionist's "point of view, just by continuing to exist, the Jews dissent." This view directly contrasts with dual-covenant theology which holds the Mosaic Covenant as still valid for Jews. While supersessionism was a core tenet of the Church for the majority of its existence, and remains a common assumption among Christians, since the Holocaust it has been rejected by some mainstream Christian theologians and denominations.
Starting a New church
Hey /christ/!
Me and a few of my close friends found ourselves in a bit of a pickle. Our church embraced faggotry so we flooded out with most of the congregation.
Oddly we came up with the basic of idea of starting our own church. (With blackjack! And Hookers!)
Problem is, we have no clue how to do that, sure we get a basic structure with a preacher and a few ordained members but as far as building up this church to a larger organization we have no idea.
Also church planting discussion.
Christian Zionism ignoring persecution of Christians by Jews
Why does this go on ignored by so many? For instance they never mention that 15% of Palestinians are Christian (and on the receiving end of both Jewish and Muslim persecution) when it comes to what occurs in Israel and Palestine.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27883685
Christians being forced off their farms by Jews.
Israeli authorities burn down Christian farms forcing them into bankruptcy in order to get more land.
The Vatican demands that Israel stop fostering hatred for Christians in its schools.
Jewish groups pay money to have hitmen go after Christians, Israeli government does nothing.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/responds-extremists-christians
The Pope calls out Israeli government sponsored terror attacks on Christians in Israel by Jewish supremacist groups.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.589744
Churches in Jerusalem defaced by Jewish groups, Israeli police refuse to stop harassment.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.644285
Orthodox Christian churches burned down in Jerusalem, police do nothing again.
Catholic leaders in Israel say the Israeli government is refusing to step in and protect them from Jewish militia groups who target Christians and Muslims.
Israeli settlers increase attacks on Palestinian Christians.
Greek Orthodox churches attacked by Israelis, Orthodox church begs Israel to protect them.
The World's Most Persecuted Minority: Christians
God bless you.
Star of Bethlehem
The Star of Bethlehem appeared for the first time in 2,000 years last night . This means there might be anti Christ or the second coming is soon. def con 1 happening
Self-harm and Catholicism
Why does Catholicism approve of self-harming? I find it very disturbing and I am having trouble reconciling myself with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-flagellation
The Flagellation refers in a Christian context to the Flagellation of Christ, an episode in the Passion of Christ prior to Jesus' crucifixion. The practice of mortification of the flesh for religious purposes was utilized by some Christians throughout most of Christian history, especially in Catholic monasteries and convents.
In the 13th century, a group of Roman Catholics, known as the Flagellants, took this practice to its extreme ends. The Flagellants were later condemned by the Roman Catholic Church as a cult in the 14th century because the established church had no other control over the practice than excommunication.[citation needed] Self-flagellation remains common in the Philippines, Mexico, and one convent in Peru.
Some members of strict monastic orders, and some members of the Catholic lay organization Opus Dei, practice mild self-flagellation using an instrument called a "discipline", a cattail whip usually made of knotted cords, which is flung over the shoulders repeatedly during private prayer.[1] Pope John Paul II took the discipline regularly.[2]
St. Therese of Lisieux, a Carmelite nun of late 19th-century France who has now been declared a Doctor of the Church, is an influential example of a Catholic Saint who questioned prevailing attitudes toward physical penance. Her view was that loving acceptance of the many sufferings of daily life was pleasing to God, and fostered loving relationships with other people, more than taking upon oneself extraneous sufferings through instruments of penance. However as a Carmelite nun, she practiced voluntary corporal mortification.
Because practices such as starvation, sleep denial and flagellation are known to induce altered states, flagellation may be used by religious ecstatics and mystics as part of ritualistic practices or ceremonies to achieve unusual states of mind.
Begging
What is your opinion on begging?
Here many people want to ban it at all. Not sure if this is a good idea.
Also what is about mendicants?
From what I know many "real" monks look down upon them because they think that one has to earn his on livelyhood and that they basically leech of others.
Has this stuff like the early Franciscans did spiritual advantages?
Do you give to beggars? Any problems with greed?
Ever had to beg yourself?
Actually I myself am fine with people begging if they need to, it is a hard decision for most after all and a shame.
But the problem is that criminals abuse this.
Here many come from eastern europe and are forced to beg by the mafia, it is like slave trade/labour.
Unfortunately there is no easy solution.
On Violence
To what extent is violence acceptable to those who claim, in some form, to follow the example of Jesus Christ and believe in His divinity?
Is violence acceptable to further the cause of one's personal goals, is it acceptable when defending the faith or promoting it? Is violence in self defense acceptable?
When is violence forbidden, or reprehensible?
The Early Church
I just got this in the mail.
Islam and Muslims
What is Islam theologically, relating to Christianity? I have heard it said that it is an Arian heresy.
What is the best refutation of the claims of Islam about Christ (eg. he was not crucified and is not the son)?
What is the best way to seek to convert Muslims?
Jerusalem is Babylon
Earthly Jerusalem is the Whore of Babylon!
The Vatican isn't Babylon as many believe it to be.
http://searchinsany.hubpages.com/hub/Babylon-the-Great-the-Mystery-has-Already-been-Revealed
learning latin with /christ/
I was talking to the BO at /int/ about learning Latin. I was wondering if anyone on this board is interested in learning it with me. I also heard the One of Little Faith was also a linguist so he could help us out a lot. We could make this a weekly thread but right now our board is slow enough for a thread to say up for months right now.
Possible game night idea
Previous thread
Well since our mission to other religion boards like /Islam/. I was wondering when we could set up a crusader kings 2 game where most religions are represented. It doesn't have to be ck 2 but a game night will help our small boards stay together and active
Gay Pride Parade Erupts into Flames
Thoughts on this? Was it an accident or was this because they were celebrating Same-Sex Marriage passing in the US and God decided to punish them?
Personally I think that the LORD played a role in this. Also at about 0:42 it looks like what you would expect Hell to look like.
On the jews and their lies
Do the jews share the same God as we do?
If not what God do they have?
Also jewry general
Family and Religion
How does you faith affect your interactions with your family? Are you the same religion as the rest of your family, and if so, for how many generations has that been the case? Are they supportive of your faith, dismissive of it, or neutral?
Are you viewed as strict, moderate or liberal in your faith by your family? Has your family been a positive or negative influence in you developing a relationship with God?
Pic unrelated
Pope Francis signed a treaty with "the state of Palestine".
Jews fear anudda shoah.
The Vatican engages in politics and diplomacy even more recently without being obnoxious.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/26/us-vatican-palestinians-idUSKBN0P618120150626
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Alright new here. I actually abandoned /christian/ quite early
I don't know if Alex is still the board owner there but very early on from his postings I got the impression that he really wasn't a channer but a redditard. Heavy with the banhammer.
I hope this board grows and overtakes that shitty board. I'll participate every now and then. I don't like to tripfag when you see someone posting christian related news articles that will mostly be me.
One more question. Are weebs and pones welcome to post in this board? I am neither but I see this as a sort of litmus test.Thanks
On Modesty, Female Form
What is the proper way for a woman to dress? The categories are 1. In Private (with family and friends) 2. On the Streets (publicly, in front of strangers) and 3. during Worship.
Puritan-tier, Muslim-tier, Mormon-tier, Amish-tier, etc; What is your opinion?
Pic related
Technology and Sin
Is there something inherently more righteous and moral about shunning modern technology? Is there a point in our development as a species where our inventions become a hindrance, and stunt our spiritual growth?
How should followers of Jesus Christ handle technology; with all its blessings and curses; in this modern age?
The Invitation
/islam/ here.
Thank you for the kind invitation. It would be nice to see a Christian board that actually doesn't shout vitriol at Muslims.
Why are you trying to split the community?
We had a great thing going with the other board. We should be trying to fix problems with that board instead of starting another one.
Prayer Requests
ITT: we pray for you. Ask and you shall receive.
If you can give a first name or something, for focus, that would help, even if it's not your real name.
Ask!
(Short of that, you can discuss praying.)
/christ/ game night
http://8ch.net/int/res/248264.html#248706
When I was talking to some other /christ/ians on /int/ we talking about doing a game night. When we were talking about it a lot of us were interested in playing autism simulator or europa universalis 4 and other paradox games as well as civ 5. If you guys want to do this or have ideas please share.
The state of 8chan
So what does /Christ/ think about the current state of 8chan right now and the popular boards and since I want this to some what related to our faith. Did you expect the original /christian/ board to get so popular?
Good news everybody, you're all popes.
how does this make you feel?
Check-In Thread
ITT, we try and make a token post in this thread maximum of once per day if we happen to browse the board that day.
This helps us to get an idea of how many we are and tells us if we need to promote this board more. It also helps to foster a sense of community
I'm the OP of this thread >>1348
Cheers!
GOD BLESS YOU
a bro hailing from >>>/goodchristian/ here looking for stimulating imageboard discourse,
what do you think of pic related?
also ama
Original sin
Lately BO,some /int/olerants and me were having an interesting discussion on religion and Original sin
It started as a thread about British politics but /int/ threads are derailed often so it evolved to religious discussion
http://8archive.moe/int/thread/273095/
It ended with me and BO agreeing that we have different points of view, it's certainly a controversial topic.
Please add your stance if you'd like
Will you have pets in heaven?
https://8ch.net/atheism/res/8659.html#q8725
I have a Catholic relative who believes she will meet her pet in heaven. Thoughts? Linked thread is related.
Christianity in Britain projected to be extinct by 2067
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9555222/2067-the-end-of-british-christianity/
I've created a Steam group for Christian Voluntaryists. Anyone can feel free to join it.
Scenery:
Group of people stands in room, chit chat, you come to them and it happens that you can tell them about faith and morals.
They listen to you, they are open to your arguments and rational thought.
Intervention:
Liberal faggot enters scene
>hey man, I have listened to you lie btw and that is quite a lot of bigotry you are spouting there
>isnt this all like just your opinion man?
>why can't just everyone do what they want?
Mood of the group changes, they start listening to him.
You need to take action to convince them that you are right and he's wrong
Climax:
You refute his points and convince the group that Christianity is the way and liberalism/nihilism a nay, he continues to counter you but you stand firm.
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What do?
How do you counter him? He will continue to bring clasical liberal "arguments"
Write your ending to this scene or just add your advice please.
Occultism
Occultism, devils and anything related.
Do you practice any Occultism? Do you believe in magic?
Is there luck or bad luck? Can one provoce it?
What do you know about devils?
Describe.
What are the devil and his demons?
Have they power? Why do they exist?
What's their intentions and why?
Ever performed a ritual?
Add questions as you feel or tell anything you want to related to the topic.
how stop fap and porn for more than 6 mounth
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Infographics
Post educational images. Make requests.