/christ/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>9568

What makes you believe in God, if not emotions? Even logical leaps like "First mover" ideas are accepted based on emotions.

>>9597

> logical steps

> emotion based

>>9615

Sure. I don't see any other reason for it. The difference between saying "I just don't know" and first mover stuff is emotion. I may be wrong, and I'd like to understand how if that's the case.

>>9618

Because the First Mover argument its a logical conclusion?

If thats emotion driven then all conclusions would be because apperantly you think that any conclusion depends on the person.

The common arguments takes all explinations possibles and then derives the most reasonable one, in this case, that God existence its possible.

>>9623

>If thats emotion driven then all conclusions would be because apperantly you think that any conclusion depends on the person.

Yeah, this is it actually. I do think emotion and individual choice are the determining factor in situations like these, when logical arguments can be constructed but ultimately no idea can be proven to the exclusion of all others, or even materially. I can't think of another word for it honestly. Why some people might say "yeah, god could exists, or he does absolutely", while other people can acknowledge an argument as valid (like the first mover stuff) but not as sound because its not conclusive. What's the difference here? I guess one likes it, it sounds good, it resonates, and for the other it doesn't.

>>9603

And actually declining a little, but not as fast as the a-religious are rising

It means that the 79% who believe they're going to heaven MUST be the same 79%, to a man-woman-dog, who claim to be religious including the 5% that never attend a service

And yet, that would fit.

The article's conclusion isn't quite as dichotomous as they want us to believe

Meh, it just means the people who are religious are defining their religiosity differently from previous generations, which is not that rare a thing. The phrasing in the graph is odd since the article says people believe in an afterlife, not necessarily Heaven which implies a more valued answer.

The smart ass tone of the article is really annoying though. Like he's got it all figure out and fuck these kids and their newfangled ways of wearing their trousers.

Maybe your religion its losing people.

Adventism is growing exponentially.

The graph only shows that narcissists are just increasing

>>9613

I'd be skeptical if I was you. Baptisms are one thing, active membership is quite another. Difficult to measure, I wouldn't trust numbers unless compiled by impartial secular ac academics, and even then I might wonder. Characterizing these people as narcissists is unfair, that's way too strong a word for the attitude that is basically the norm nowadays. Its not self-obsession, just reasonable skepticism of anyone with grand claims and little material proof, in the post-internet age.

>>9619

The growing of the Adventist church already does not only counts baptism but also deaths and droppings of people.

You can read the whole stastistics on the internet for free m8

well, if everybody would become narcissists it would still be narcissism. Of course I know that not all of them are, it was just a reduction that had some truth in it.

Its like the recent poll that came out that said that more people believe in aliens than in God in the UK. I dont think proofs or anything like that made them get that conclusion, but instead the strawman that believing in God has the same proofs as fairies, pokemons, or aliums.

Usually anti-zionism is more of a social issue for U.S. and European churches, having to do with the treatment of the Palestinian nationals rather than the type of doctrinal and scriptural arguments that are frequent in the boards.

I think it goes even deeper than people not wanting to be anti-semitic or whatever. Firstly, a lot of people just don't interpret the scriptures to mean anything negative about Jews or the secular state of Israel at all. Then, a lot of people in the evangelical movement think that Israel is actually the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and that its a Christian's duty to protect and support it until God chooses to end the world, which requires Israel to belong to the Jews for that to even be a possibility (according to them).

>>9593

And said that jews do not Jesus to be saved.

I cannot believe your honestly still catholic tbh

>>9616

Jesus built a church, not a Bible. Haven't you heard? Maybe Francis is right.

Maybe the Jews are right and God basically just cares more about them, and everyone else gets a soft handshake while they get the endless rules and regulations. Who knows? Its all a matter of belief and perspective.

>censoring profanity

Why do people do this? If you didn't want to swear then you wouldn't use such words. Saying "crazy" and "apeshit" both make sense, but saying "apesh!t" is just as vulgar as saying "apeshit". Seems silly to me.

As for your question I don't really have an answer OP.

>>9580

There are people -devout christian, half-arsed christian and pagan- who leave flowers when they think nobody is watching. You do know that right?

Or are you just refering to the specific sort of hypocrite who's biblical equivalent is the jews who pray on street corners instead of in privacy with God?

>>9600

Nice dubs earthling.

Well, it looks like the Unitarian Univeralists did it again. This time in Brussels.

>>9611

Thus is how they make a new world government

>>9605

Damn it, I know. Call me weird, I tried every other combination and it just felt odd to have Jesus say it in a different color.

>>9607

So you're saying it only feels right that Jesus speaks "black"?

>>9609

For that picture, yeah. Everything else felt kooky and weird, despite the fact the whole humor derives from the phrase being something associated with /pol/acks and others far removed from the teachings of Jesus.

Its just odd.

>>9547

He literally agrees with everything democrats believes.

Prove me wrong.

>>9610

Yea thats why im a iconoclast, I can take pictures of jesus seriously. Ir maybe I take them too seriously and just want to rip them over

>>9532

> Needless to say, from their end, its the Christians who are a divergent line from Abraham

Not at all.

Since the beginning it was Gods plan to spread the message to the nations. Jews in their pride rejected that part and truly became a reclusive exclusivist elitist sect.

By Jews I dont mean semite people with big noses, but those that are in the sect of Judaism.

Its liek the NT verse that says something like "of what worth its being from the seed of abarham… God can make new ones from stones!"

The romans made a example out of every person they punished. Thats why you have public execution plazas, to warn everyone of braking the law.

All people that where crucified where crucified at the city gates and main roads. Jesus was crucified with 2 other criminals that day.

>>9537

The Jews obviously don't see themselves as being wrong. They believe God's plan is going the way it was always meant to go, with them living their lives in the best manner they see fit, following the commandments and awaiting for the true Messiah to come. The upstart magician and false David from Bethlehem doesn't enter into it at all.

>>5370

>Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a 7th day Adventist

What are you then?

> They're not the only people who have seen soul sleep taught in the Bible.

Enlighten me please.

>Lots of people have, even a pope.

Which one? Wouldn't be the first time a pope is wrong though.

if by hell you mean unconsciousness then yes

t, adventist

We can't know that. We can't stare directly into his soul, so it's not in our power to make that call. We aren't God.

He was an Atheist. At least he used to be. He had quite a few songs against religion and belief in God.

Of course, he could have converted before he was murdered. I hope he did.

>nothing to indicate that God was involved in anyway

>possibly entered a fugue state

This barely qualifies as news

>>9549

It's news because the subject line was MEANT to illicit that feel when you feel lead by the Holy Spirit to do something only it turns out that maybe that wasn't actually so and you've just made a massive fool of yourself… or, in this case, got your ass bitten by a lion

>>9513

Sounds like a heretic to me.

>speaking tounges

Nobody will be speaking any tounges until they are delivered up to the anti-Christ when gods chosen will communicate to the world.

Tounges will be a language that everyone in the entire world will understand.

If it comes out totally unintelligible, sounding like someone literally choking on their tounge, it's complete heretical nonsense.

Thou shalt not put the Lord thy God to test!

It's that freaking simple!

>>9581

>tongues of men and of angels

>of angels

Been speaking angel-languages lately, m8?

>>9586

I contend that he didn't:

>"I thought the Lord wanted to use me to show his power over animals."

To have put the Lord God to the test would be to have leapt from the jeep shouting "God, save me! Prove your love for me!" This is what Satan was tempting Jesus to do, to willingly fall from the temple top and expect God to save Him, and He rebuked the enemy for suggesting it.

This guy truly believed he'd been told to do it. ("I thought the Lord wanted…") Yeah, he came to his senses afterward, but he didn't go in willfully daring God.

And that was my point: sometimes we do things thinking we are lead by God's Spirit to do them only it was someone else, or our imagination if you believe that, whispering. If we leave ourselves open to the concept that God, through His Spirit, communicates and guides us, even leads us as He lead the Apostles and early Christians, then could we not also hear incorrectly and listen to the wrong voice?

Or do people honestly believe all those thoughts in your head are purely yours?

I was seeking some discussion on this idea.

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Try not to make more than two consecutive replies, Anon.

>>9502

*please

>>9472

I agree with you. You should be a Christian because Christianity is true, not because it would be horrible if Christianity weren't true. Horrible things can be true, and good things can be false. If there were no God, and Christ were not risen, I would want to believe that there was no God, and that Christ was not risen. But there is a God, and Christ is risen.

>>9472

God works on those that he loves anon.

I think he has been calling you back to him for a long time. I believe you are one of his chosen.

>Thank you father for your grace to call this soul. In Jesus name!

If you want to get closer to him, read his word, the bible and show love for him by obeying his commandments.

One resource I enjoy is the shepherds chapel because they just read the bible which is really refreshing.

God bless you.

I avoid them and any other supposedly christian works for the most part. It's not due to any specific doctrinal error found in any of the movies outside of the Left behind movies. There are often things that bother me in some cases where the message or point of the movie seems to miss the mark but it's hardly ever outright heretical or of terrible moral character.

I might be completely alone in feeling this way, but mainstream Christianity in the united states/western world has become more of a brand which is currently being exported by this type of media. I tend to have the mindset that taking brand JESUS™ and making sub par at best media both undermines God's word and turns off potential converts and only gives skeptics a cheap laugh and producers an easy buck. Yes I understand how pessimistic that all sounds but all you need to do is look at various reviews of said movies on various review sites and find out for yourself.

Don't prevent what I said from you enjoying what you want to enjoy, and I don't want to come across as saying everyone working on christian media are bad people/aren't real christians. But I just can't bring myself to enjoy that sort of thing.

>>8973

>5.9/10

Welcome to the land of faggotry where we downrate according to our politics

Or are folks gonna tell me the film was really that bad?

>James Franco, Zachary Quinto, Daryl Hannah

How the f-k could THIS have bombed with a cast that strong

Also why the f-k would those people WANT to appear in this film - they're not Christians?!

It's just like Ralph Fiennes doing Risen… wtf?!

Has Hollywood be turned inside out or something?

… ooooooooooooookay, I get it

They marketed it at gays, showing it at all the lbgtbbq film festivals, and they're not going to like it's politics, and because the film has gay sex in it no Christian is going to like it either you >>9226 have been warned

Mystery solved

>>8927

>implying Francis is Christian

>>8921

>irony, they're both "women" now

Matrix wasn't Christian. If you watch carefully, it's more Buddhist than Christian with the whole "unreality of the world" theme

>>6533

this