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 No.1350

As a prerequisite for the job of being a Church of England priest, it would seem not unreasonable to expect a belief in God to be fairly essential.

But this is not the case, according to a poll of Anglican clergy which found that as many as 16 per cent are unclear about God and two per cent think it is no more than a human construct.

It is 30 years since David Jenkins, then the Bishop of Durham, caused controversy by casting doubt on the resurrection, but it appears that such unorthodox views are widespread amongst Britain’s priests.

In addition to those who describe God as a human creation, the YouGov poll found that three per cent believe there is some sort of spirit or life force and 9 per cent argue it is impossible to imagine what God is like.

Clergy were significantly more likely to hold unorthodox beliefs the older they were and the longer they had been in the ministry. Nearly 90 per cent of those ordained since 2011 believe in God compared with only 72 per cent of those who became priests in the 1960s, the research discovered.

The General Synod, the Church’s parliament, rejected moves to introduce “heresy trials” to take action against clergy over “doctrinal, ritual and ceremonial” matters, leaving clergy and bishops relatively free to deviate from doctrine without punishment, though it is unusual to hear priests openly saying they don’t believe in God.

However, there is an organisation called Sea of Faith that rejects the Church’s traditional belief in one personal God and which claims to represent dozens of vicars.

The Rev David Paterson, a retired Church of England priest, said there was no conflict in preaching while being unable to believe in God. “Within my congregation I would take the line that how you feel about God is not in the least dependent on whether you think God exists or not. I preach using God’s terminology, but never with the suggestion that God actually exists,” he told University Times, Trinity College Dublin’s newspaper.

“Once you have accepted that religion is a human creation, then it is like art and literature and things like that. They are an extremely valuable way to understand yourself.”

Alison Ruoff, a lay member of the General Synod, said she did not understand how someone could be a priest at the same time as not believing in God. “They shouldn’t have been selected, but if they have lost their faith it’s a great shame,” she said. “Clergy just preach social clap-trap these days. We expect better from them.”

The YouGov survey interviewed more than 1,500 Anglican clergy from the Church of England, Church in Wales, and Scottish Episcopal Church. It was commissioned by the Westminster Faith Debates.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/survey-finds-2-of-anglican-priests-are-not-believers-9821899.html

 No.1352

>two per cent think it is no more than a human construct

This sounds downright subversive and more than a mere crises of faith

Its a small number and I really don't know how the Anglican church functions since I'm catholic but I just hope these aren't clergy actively in charge of a flock. If they are the moral thing to do would be to force them to resign or reassign them to some monastery away from the flock.

I understand that even priests are human and can have crises of faith but I wonder if the Anglican church has a protocol in these cases


 No.1353

I missed this part

>The Rev David Paterson, a retired Church of England priest, said there was no conflict in preaching while being unable to believe in God. “Within my congregation I would take the line that how you feel about God is not in the least dependent on whether you think God exists or not. I preach using God’s terminology, but never with the suggestion that God actually exists,” he told University Times, Trinity College Dublin’s newspaper.

This is just unethical and pure deception.


 No.1363

>>1350

>Clergy were significantly more likely to hold unorthodox beliefs the older they were and the longer they had been in the ministry. Nearly 90 per cent of those ordained since 2011 believe in God compared with only 72 per cent of those who became priests in the 1960s, the research discovered.

I have no explanation for that. Maybe that the old ones had to see all the 68stuff live and the new ones only the calmed down version?

>The General Synod, the Church’s parliament, rejected moves to introduce “heresy trials” to take action against clergy over “doctrinal, ritual and ceremonial” matters, leaving clergy and bishops relatively free to deviate from doctrine without punishment, though it is unusual to hear priests openly saying they don’t believe in God.

There is so much wrong here

>having a church parliament

>not ensuring the doctrine

No really [catholic/off] for a moment. How can I take them seriously. Not even they themselve believe that they hold the "truth" in a way that would be worth protecting, so why care?

Why should I care aboutthe church if even the priest doesn't? I understand why you chose Catholicism, Anglicans are really no option and they state it even themselves.

All of this starts with the High Church low Church cr*p. For what damn it? Either there is ONE truth or not. If there is one I need only that one and if there isn't: both to oblivion

>They are an extremely valuable way to understand yourself.”

That's what Christ wanted when he appointed priest you…. arghh

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There is a movement of "relativists" here and it was backed by liberal snake media of course which celebrated those rebels as heros of course:

http://www.pfarrer-initiative.at/

You know what? The pope told them to screw them and that was it.

There has to be a standard for priests and an ensurement for doctrine and sacraments, if you're Catholic or not.

It lies in the responsibility of the church to the beievers. It's the church's duty.

If there is no standard and everyone can do what he wants it just leads to the things that the Anglicans face now. Relativism to a point where the priest doesn't have to believe in god anymore.

You can't make this stuff up anymore *sigh*


 No.1685

>>1350

Shocking, I thought being an atheist was required to be an Anglican priest.


 No.6025

>>1350

>CoE is a lefty piece of shit

Nothing new here


 No.6027

The logic required to continue to be a priest when you no longer believe in god is baffling. Maybe they just like the message and community? I don't get it.


 No.6030

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>>6027

Eh, it's a living.

Seriously though, human beings need purpose and direction. I imagine they weren't atheists when they signed up for it, but Atheism is the only logical conclusion of progressive Anglican theology. They might just say to themselves, what's the harm? Believe in God and still be able to sin as much as you want, maybe *they* will get something out of it. And the priests gets to not feel like a man (or lass!) without a mission.


 No.6043

haha what

>>1353

this

>>6027

its a requirement to be one. You cans till be an atheist theologian , if known a few of them. But probably they never got their degrees.


 No.6046

>>6027

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-RUDSRGLX4

that's exactly what it is. the old people who continue to go to Church of England churches are one thing… but new followers of Christ (mostly the young) need to stay clear of the Church of England entirely. it is infected with people who see it as a community building initiative, and a vague agnosticism with a Jesus sticker slapped on the front




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