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 No.19055

Given that /christian/ is simply uncapable of having a proper discussion on this, I have decided to ask here:

Do you see them as a problem?

Is it a mental illness?

Is it learned behaviour?

If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

I want this to be a theory/discussion thread about homosexuals and on how they can be saved. Not interested in the andersonites and their kys advice.

 No.19057

>>19055

>Do you see them as a problem?

The biggest problem they promote is their inability to follow God and their incessant need to convince others that it's okay to do that.

>Is it a mental illness?

I'm not sure, I'm not a psychologist, but I'd say it's at least an abnormality.

>Is it learned behaviour?

I think there's a good amount of anecdotal evidence for it, but I don't know of any actual studies done about this.

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

He kinda does in a roundabout way, in that he says he came to fulfill the law of the prophets.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

Doesn't matter, it's a sin either way.

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

I'm sure it is possible for some sense of romantic love to exist between them, but it's not really valuable since no fruit can come of it.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

Hugging is okay. I'd say that kissing is out of the question unless it's in the instance of cultural greetings where people kiss each other on the cheek or whatever. Anal sex is a sin regardless of whether it's homosexual or heterosexual, married or not.

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

Salvation.


 No.19058

>>19055

>Do you see them as a problem?

No, like autists and down syndrome people, these guys are also a great challange for us that we must learn to overcome in love. Loving these people is harder, but it is still a worthy goal.

>Is it a mental illness?

Maybe but I don't see how it's relevant. It is their cross to bear no matter what it is. I don't know if God is more merciful with mentally ill people but I kinda hope so.

>Is it learned behaviour?

No. All research seems to refute this. Homosexuals genuinely feel attracted to their own gender, and they don't need education to develop these tendencies.

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

Well I don't know. There are lots of theories about this, but even if we agree that homosexuality is not a sin, sex outside of marriage still is a sin, and marriage is between a man and a woman for the purpose of procreation and the regulation of sex in society.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

It's a sin because two men can't get married (and yes it's an invalid marriage even if someone were to perform such a ceremony)

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust?

Most certainly, but it's definitely a rarity. Gay stereotypes for the most part, are true.

>If so, is that love valuable?

All love is valuable. So is beauty, so is truth. But I'm not entirely sure that our understanding of love can ever be complete. I hope though.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

Hugs and kissing are fine. Sexual acts are where the sin lies, because in principle, sex has a function other then expressing affection and love, namely, making babies, and if you exclude the possibility of creating a baby with your sexual act, you separate sex from it's function. As long as your love is disinterested, as in, you express your love without expecting anything in return, I think that showing affection is fine, be it hugs, or kisses. However, please understand that hugs and kisses are not neccessary for love to thrive, nor is sex. Hugs and kissing are fine because their very purpose is the expression of love towards another.

BUT it IS a slippery slope (and that is not a fallacy).

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

We should, as a society find a way to help them, and treat this issue as openly and transparently as possible. Removing the stigma would be good for a more honest and open treatment of the issue, because that would allow us to work with these people. In any case, we must break down their cliques and destroy their "culture". Gay culture should not exist and it shouldn't be celebrated.

Also, we must develop a treatment/cure/lifestyle for them that they can follow in a way that allows them to have standing as citizens with dignity. And we must help them acknowledge that they shouldn't be the norm. This is possibly the hardest part, and it's the main source of conflict.


 No.19059

>>19055

>Do you see them as a problem?

Not really, no.

>Is it a mental illness?

Not in the conventional sense.

>Is it learned behaviour?

It can be, such as the "gay for pay" community.

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

He didn't need to. He also didn't really mention theft or murder.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

A bit of both.

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

Two men can have genuine love for each other. Look at the relationship between David and Jonathan.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed?

Anything sexual should not be done outside of marriage.

>What should be done with them?

Prayer.


 No.19061

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File: d0953a6d70a87ab⋯.png (130.37 KB, 500x782, 250:391, 10-year-old-transgender-bo….png)

File: 7f9e621e9d47479⋯.jpg (140.55 KB, 590x803, 590:803, 10-year-old-transgender-bo….jpg)

>Do you see them as a problem?

Yes. If it weren't for sodomites it wouldn't be acceptable to encourage kids to become trannies

>Is it a mental illness?

Not any more, but it should have stayed one.

>Is it learned behaviour?

Yes. Ask the survivors of sodomite rapists and they will tell you they become sodomites because of their abuse

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

Except He does:

[Context: Jesus is talking to His apostles in regards to evangelism and in regards to cities that don't allow the apostles to evangelize]

>Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

>Matthew 10:15

Here Jesus is reaffirming God's judgement on Sodom and Gomorrha.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

Sodomites can't be married because marriage is reserved for a man and a woman. Identifing as a sodomite is a mixture of both pride and lust.

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust?

No. Friends don't fuck their friends in the ass.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed?

Unironically thinking it is okay and won't land you in hell.

>What should be done with them?

Personally, I think Leviticus 20:13 ought to make a comeback, but I will settle with cultural shaming and encouraging them to seek mental help.


 No.19063

You can live a wholesome life despite feeling attraction to your own gender. It's an emotion, really, its not who you are, and as such you ultimately can control what you do about it. That is the real key, the thing they want these people to lose sight of. Feeling awkward in lustful or in romantic ways doesn't have to inevitably culminate in fornication, hell, not even in masturbation.

Human beings are made in God's image; we are strong enough to overcome unbelievable temptations and handicaps. Our enemy wants us to embrace our failure, wear our failings as titles, take pride in them. Because they want us to be damned!

It's such a sad, avoidable trap, when you take a few steps back and look at it. There is no happiness at the end of that road.


 No.19065

>>19063

>we are strong enough to overcome unbelievable temptations and handicaps

Directly contradicts the bible my friend

I think you mean "Human beings are weak, but through God they can preserve".


 No.19066

>>19055

Homosexuality is tolerable as long as you abide by the following simple rules:

1, You live in a strictly monogamous relationship.

2, You keep it between the 4 walls and you understand that your behaviour is a deviation and should never be the norm.

3, You should build love in your relationship with your SO, and that should be the primary focus of your relationship, not sex. Eventually you should abandon sex and focus on the love in the relationship exclusively.

4, You strive to be a good person and don't identify with your sexual orientation. It should not be a primary part of your identity.

5, You do whatever you can to make up for your shortcoming.

6, You don't, under any circumstances, tell anyone that it's okay to be gay, nor do encourage the youth to do so.

I think God looks favorably upon those who try to reduce the sinfulness of their nature. Naturally it would be better for homos to be celibate, but I have no illusions about this ever becoming a reality. So you reduce the damage they do to themselves and society as much as possible, and leave the rest to God.

I really hope all gay people will be saved, but given the outright evil and sinful presence that becomes palpably manifest whenever they are allowed to build their own culture, makes me doubt this very much.


 No.19070

>>19065

Yeah, that was the intention. Correction appreciated.

>>19066

mfw posting in the same thread as Milo Yiannopolous


 No.19073

>>19070

>mfw posting in the same thread as Milo Yiannopolous

kek


 No.19076

Do you see them as a problem?

<for now, yes

Is it a mental illness?

<yes,

Is it learned behaviour?

<it can be

If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

<because it at the time was 'self evident'

Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

<both

Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

<Homosexuals? No.

What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

<even acknowledging it

What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

<for now? Nothing. Once we hit critical mass it will work in our favor, normies are already turning on them

<in 10 years the "enuch" transkids of this generation will be screaming for blood because of their degenerate parents and society

<for now, pray and know that God will preserve us


 No.19093

Homosexuality is fine, just be a good person and keep it to yourself.

Also >>19066

>You should build love in your relationship with your SO, and that should be the primary focus of your relationship, not sex. Eventually you should abandon sex and focus on the love in the relationship exclusively.


 No.19097

>>19093

>feels are more important to me than salvation


 No.19098

>>19097

TBH, love can lead them to eventually abandon sex.

I've seen this happen.


 No.19099

>>19098

God for them. My next question, did they renounce homosexuality afterward, or did they just tire of sex, and then start hanging around a church to tell all the churchgoers that they were proof homosexuality can be holy?


 No.19101

File: 896cf8c81a4c3b3⋯.mp4 (11.67 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Gay Christian Theologian S….mp4)

>>19055

>that png

The angels already know. It's more likely other peoples' disgust

>Given that /christian/ is simply uncapable of having a proper discussion on this, I have decided to ask here:

You get banned or did your thread descend into irrational shrieking by /pol/sters calling you a fag-lover?

>Do you see them as a problem?

Sin is sin is sin. But theirs is no more heinous than others. All fall short of the glory of God …

>Is it a mental illness?

Depends on your definition. Are there people who have, by the classic overbearing mother / absent father been feminized and are consequently gay – yes, these exist, too.

>Is it learned behaviour?

For some, yes – just look at what's become of half-/b/ and the wanton embrace of teh traps to know that certain things that should not be have been normalised.

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

While he does recite some of the ten commandments at one point, He doesn't explicitly tell people not to murder or steal, either. Shall we imply license to do these things? Shall we look to Christ for the Law when God already revealed that to Moses?

What I think Jesus does is make a few specific points about how the Israelites were misbehaving at the time, such as "throw the first stone" and "take the plank out your own eye" and so on, clarifications of spiritual principles to get people away from strict legalism and into being more Godlike. Amid this, making note about one sin of thousands would really have only been of benefit for American Christianity at the end of the 20th century.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

It's specifically called out. It's not a clarification of adultery laws.

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust?

I believe so, but it's errant.

>If so, is that love valuable?

In the same way that two heterosexual men or women can love each other, of course it has value, but it is going too far to turn sexual, or to allow that love to turn into Eros as opposed to Agape or Philia. This is not what God intends.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

Legalism won't give salvation.

Things like this are like the nobleman who seeks a new driver for his coach. He tells them to drive around a certain bend which has a cliff at its edge. Each driver takes great delight in getting the coach ever closer and closer to that edge without actually going over. Then they tussle and fight over who was closer and will thus win the job as a result. They all laugh when a plain young man drives the coach slowly around the corner some six feet away from the edge, hugging the corner's inside. He gets the job. The others all demand to know why … yadda yadda yadda you get my point.

The rule should be nothing that allows the heart to continue feeling Eros toward that person who can never be a partner.

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

Pics related.


 No.19102

File: 02b3d423dcfe0f6⋯.webm (11.87 MB, 640x360, 16:9, francis-chan-on-gay.webm)

>>19055

>>19101

>Pics related.

Second


 No.19122

>>19058

>>19066

>>19093

>>19098

>>19101

Kill yourselves, faglovers


 No.19123

>>19122

hi /christian/pol/

shame the only reason this thread got bumped was for that shit. OP has abandoned his own thread


 No.19129

>>19123

OP is almost always a (1) and done out of the fear of being banned. So, hop on a VPN to make your thread, then you can remake it if some asshole mod gets butthurt.


 No.19132


 No.19134

>>19129

>always a (1) and done out

que?

>>19132

You never had anything useful to contribute. Is it the same in life?


 No.19138

>>19129

>>19123

I'm OP and I am still here.

I think this board doesn't have ID's.


 No.19192

File: fcc03b95987ee19⋯.jpg (72.72 KB, 850x960, 85:96, gay dickcheese.jpg)

>>19055

>Do you see them as a problem?

Not if they just shut up and leave it in the privacy of their own bedroom, which they rarely do.

>Is it a mental illness?

I believe so.

>Is it learned behaviour?

I believe so, for the most part. I assume there are occasionally physical reasons, but many of them are formed by abuse or peer pressure.

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

I don't know. I wish He had. It would make life so much easier.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

It's a sin for man to lie with man and woman to lie with woman. There's no way they should be allowed to marry in a church.

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust?

Sure, but statistically, the male gays are promiscuous.

>If so, is that love valuable?

It would vary from couple to couple.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

Anal sex is how AIDS is passed. And it's physically detrimental to the Bottoms. Read this: https://archive.is/whe5z

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

If CY+4 science wasn't terrified of the various rights groups and lobbies, I'm sure some sort of treatment could be found. Unfortunately, there's no [funding] for that.


 No.19193

File: f20c81a960938b3⋯.png (525.71 KB, 660x3951, 220:1317, gay AIDS.png)

File: 99854ce3fa2e2d6⋯.mp4 (5.57 MB, 540x360, 3:2, gay The Gift excerpt - fet….mp4)


 No.19194

>>19193

This >>19184 is me, by the way.


 No.19198

>>19194

Hey it's OP here.

I've read your story, and I have to say, there is hope!

She is 15 years old, and in this age girls do almost everything for attention. Do not, I repeat, do NOT push her away and don't be desperate. Tell her repeatedly that you love her and that you accept her as your daughter, no matter what.

Do not use direct ways to lead her to the right way, she is a teenager and any open and obvious ways to guide her will result in defiance and rebellion. Be subtle and use soft-coercion to lead her. Chances are, this is just a phase and will pass (it did for my cousin).

It is important that you spend time with her and indirectly explore the issues that homosexuals face and the misery that they face.

Also, another thing: nothing will convince her more about homosexual behaviour being harmful than very very bad experiences in such relations.

Also, teach her about love and what is. Consume media that depicts what love really means and what it truly is.

This is important because when she will have a lesbian relation she will be incredibly disappointed by the fact that it's not loving at all.

Also get her into christian communities and groups.

Chances are, she will try homosexuality, but by taking the proper measures you can increase the likelihood that she will not like it.

Also, "I'm a bisexual" is the typical cry for attention from a woman who wants to signal her availability to as many people around her as possible.


 No.19200

File: 02bd5b22e72e0c7⋯.jpg (43.86 KB, 950x534, 475:267, bladerunner tears in the r….jpg)

>>19198

I have told her that I love her, but I live with chronic depression and it's impossible for me to hide the fact that this news started one of my depressive episodes.

I agree with you about subtlety and attention. Her friend group is dripping with drama queens and she's just like her mother in that she is very easily influenced. As far as sharing info with her, she doesn't want to hear it. She reacts like a scalded cat.

She goes to church with a friend every week, and has a prayer group and a youth group she attends. Unfortunately, it's the "hip and groovy" type of church that encourages people to "live their truth" and similar shit.

Her aunt (wife's sister) also identifies as bisexual, and is an attention whore of the first order. Her lifestyle sickens me (New Year's Eve, for instance, is an orgy for her boyfriend and their friends).

Mostly what worries me the most is that every single member of my family will encourage her to be happy with this, which means they'll all, at some point, be telling me what an asshole I am for not going to Pride parades or whatever. I feel completely alone in this, and I'm terrified of making things much, much worse. I'm planning on telling the wife I want to cancel Netflix, but that won't stop my daughter from seeking out movies and other media that glorify the gay lifestyle.

Also, my marriage has been on very rocky ground for over a year, now. I'm afraid that this will tear us apart even further. If she leaves me, I'm going to try to find a tiny apartment and just check out from humanity until Jesus returns. Every single woman in my 46 years on earth has ended up turning her back on me, and I can't bear to try again. Hell, maybe I'll become a monk or something.

As you can see, I'm all over the place with this. I'm terrified of making things worse by doing nothing or by doing something. I'm in complete vapor-lock, mentally. I tried watching a movie, reading, playing a game… nothing takes my mind off this. Head hurts. Tired. Scared. Alone. My mental health has been very bad for the last 8 years due to a breakdown that resulting from a boss I worked for back then. Thoughts of suicide are never far from my mind, but I bear them and think of my kids. Now a part of me is wondering if I did either of them any favors by sticking around.

Also, I don't hate gays or lesbians, but I certainly don't enjoy their behavior or the way so many of them flaunt their deviancy. We have a lesbian neighbor who just acts like a normal human being, and we get along fine. If that was my little girl's actions going forward, I might be able to come to terms with it a little better, but I fear she's going to be the other kind, which means our relationship going forward is bound to be strained.

I'm rambling. Sorry. I've got no one to talk to until my shrink appointment in two weeks, and I feel like my brain is about to burst and my soul is trapped in dark mud.


 No.19201

>>19200

Therapy can be helpful but maybe try several therapists.

You also have to assert yourself into her life, no questions there. You must become an organic, ever-reliable positive father figure for her. Girls may like to party but when push comes to shove they like to fall back to their father.

And that is an incredibly masculine thing that no woman can do. Teach her what a man is and why it's a good thing to have one around.


 No.19208

>>19201

She freaks out when I try to do just that. And her mother tells me to back off and give her her space. I'm constantly receiving mixed signals and contradictory advice, and I no longer know what to do.


 No.19210

>>19208

You need to find stability and confidence my man. That is crucial.


 No.19214

>>19210

I don't know how.


 No.19216

>Do you see them as a problem?

Yes

>Is it a mental illness?

Yes

>Is it learned behaviour?

Also yes

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

Wasnt a pressing concern for him since it was already being dealt with correctly at the time

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

Yes it is a sin as God explicitly prohibits it

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

No and No

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

Having strange affection for another of the same sex

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

Execution preferably. But i suppose human testing could be beneficial


 No.19217

So much retardation in this thread. Unsurprising.

>>19057

>I'm sure it is possible for some sense of romantic love to exist between them, but it's not really valuable since no fruit can come of it

This is a stupid reason. So is it just as bad for a couple where one is infertile (either due to injury/disease or simply age) to be together?

>>19061

Lucky for you that God only requires that you follow SOME of His laws, right? Because if your fucking shirt is blended cotton/polyester right now, you must be put to death. That's also in Leviticus.

>>19192

>Anal sex is how AIDS is passed

This just in! HIV is non-transmittable by vaginal sex! Be sure to test this out yourself by going around screwing all the HIV+ girls you can find. As long as you don't touch their ass, you'll be fine. Be sure you report your results for science.


 No.19221

This is common sense. If you can't handle a cock you can't handle a gun.


 No.19222

>>19221

If they can't handle sex with a different gender then they can't handle letting people have sex with animals…like dogs, horses and cows. Homosexuals have a lot in common with Christianity and Christian honosexuals are aparantly a real thing.


 No.19223

>>19222

This is like chemistry. Mixing two chemicals that should not be mixed. Honosexuals are ok as long as they're not seriously maintream religious. That's mixing two of the same bigotry to make a more volitile bigot.


 No.19225

>>19217

Yes that is biblically the case. The moral laws are the ones Christ and his following apostles and prophets stated were to be kept but that the ceremonial laws were done away with as the latter no longer served a purpose.

Not being a faggot is one of the moral laws


 No.19228

>>19055

Faggotry is birthed two ways:

>Fapping/sexing too much; "fetish"

>Childhood trauma; deeply-ingrained mental illness

Both are mental illnesses, but the first is way easier to fix than the latter.

Now, what is the purpose of sex? To procreate. Why does it feel good? To encourage us to procreate. Why do we lust after the other sex? To ensure procreation occurs; the other sex is necessary for new life. What happens when you lust after your own sex? Procreation cannot occur. If we're speaking about an instinctual animal, or even humans without the wonders of modern technology, this means NO OFFSPRING, i.e. genetic dead-end, which is BAD. Also, having sex for any other reason than procreation is a perversion of the obvious intended purpose of sex, and is thus sinful and unnatural.


 No.19229

>>19228

Did not mean to 下げる.


 No.19246

Homosexuality is okay.

It's basically a sign that you should be a priest, and not worry about women.

The whole reason why the bible condemns it is because the rabbis wanted for it to be their own little playground, so like every good thing it was corrupted by their greed.

Basically homosexuality is the gift of being able to truly and deeply love men. Nobody is able to love men the same way as a homo does. Women don't love men, they love the things that men do for them, but a homosexual can love a man for who he is, which is pretty much the only way for a man to be genuinely loved.

Marriage wasn't instituted because of men, it was instituted to regulate female sexual behaviour, so that they don't damage their ability to pair bond and take care of children. Men don't have these negative side effects.

That being said I think you shouldn't mix genders. You should either stick with only women or only men, and never mix it up, even if you're a bisexual.


 No.19251

File: bb19f08b57a5196⋯.gif (66.86 KB, 248x319, 248:319, 1547303405137.gif)

>>19055

My brother is gay. I hate him so much. That faggot is always smoking weed and talking in a sassy, sheboon voice. He is short and skinny and gross. My mother mentioned taking some type of medication with him in the womb, maybe she fucked him up. He was always fond of cross-dressing, even as a young child so it seemed like something was deeply fucked in him from the start. Probably chemical-hormonal. He is the first faggot in the family. I think it could happen to anyone now that the food and water are contaminated (the frogs literally are turning gay) and so many people are on meds. Anyways, I think it's mental illness, often caused by chronic chemical-hormonal imbalances. It's definitely a biology-related disorder exasperated by the negative effects of the techno-industrial system, but with its roots in moral looseness (if we're referring to modern sexuality; arguably, homosexuality in ancient civilizations like the Greco-Roman one was attributable more to moral looseness and spiritual decadence than to chemical-hormonal issues and was consequently more restrained and died off with the times only to show up later when moral looseness became common again). So there are spiritual/moral causes and also biological causes. The rapid growth of modern homosexuality seems related strongly to biological causes, since the moral looseness was there for awhile before it really became so common (maybe one could argue that both were equally important contributions to this phenomenon though). I see gays as a problem for a few reasons:

1.) Anal sex is disgusting and non-procreative; therefore, it's unnatural and deplorable.

2.) Faggots are overrepresented among children predators, making their presence unwanted (I would never let a fag near my children).

3.) Faggots typically encourage women to be degenerate and hedonistic; therefore, beware of any woman who has gay friends or wants gay friends- they're usually liberal, sick-minded whores. Also, never let a faggot near your wife/girlfriend since he could corrupt her.

4.) Faggots have a terrible drug problem, usually related to an inordinate amount of partying. Wherever there are faggots, there is usually weed, alcohol, and other drug abuse.

5.) Faggots appropriate a false version of femininity that is disgusting and annoying (this shows up in their speech, the way they dress, etc.)

6.) Faggots have a disproportionate amount of sexual diseases compared with non-faggots, and since some faggots are bisexual, this can be a source of disease for the general population. They're also usually whores in general and therefore, deplorable.

7.) Faggots usually advocate for other faggot things, like equality of the races, feminism, and other gay bourgeois liberal values.

Basically, faggots are overall a corrosive force in society; they're harmful to women and children and they are harmful to themselves. Homosexuality is clearly condemned in the Bible, but even if someone wanted to reinterpret things and say that it isn't condemned, the vast majority of faggots engage in other sinful behavior that is evil, destructive and gross and so, no matter what the faggots are trash and should be dealt with.


 No.19261

>>19251

>non-procreative

That is not an argument against sex.

Sex is ok as long as its an expression of love.

It's only wrong if it's abusive and selfish.


 No.19272

Stick to the topic and remember Rule 7.


 No.19273

>>19217

>Because if your fucking shirt is blended cotton/polyester right now, you must be put to death. That's also in Leviticus.

You sound like an atheist. Why the swearing? The stuff about cotton/polyester was ceremonial law, the point of which was to seperate Israel from the other nations as the one from which the Messiah would come. Since the messiah has come, and Israel (the nation) no longer exists, ceremonial law is no longer needed to be followed. Anyone who has read the NT would know this. Sodomy being banned is moral law, which never changes, since God never changes.


 No.19276

>>19273

>The stuff about cotton/polyester was ceremonial law, the point of which was to seperate Israel from the other nations

So was the stuff about homosexuals.

It was mainly put in there because the jews saw the "temple prostitiution" of the pagan world and they wanted to be clear of it the same way they want to be clear of eating the flesh of unclean animals.

>Sodomy being banned is moral law, which never changes, since God never changes.

How is it a moral law? What makes the act of love between two men immoral? If anything they have a greater weight or a bigger price to pay for it. Love is above petty legalism.


 No.19277

>>19276

>So was the stuff about homosexuals.

False. The stuff about putting them to death was though.

>What makes the act of love between two men immoral?

Because its an act of lust, not love.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

I Corinthians 6:9‭-‬10 NKJV


 No.19278

>>19277

>Because its an act of lust, not love.

Exceptions exist. Love exists between men, anyone who denies this is willfully blind.


 No.19279

>>19278

No, only perversions. Sexual attraction =/= love


 No.19282

>>19279

>Sexual attraction =/= love

and yet they often go hand in hand


 No.19283

>>19282

Yes. And a man who is attracted to another man (due to abuse or learned habit normally) experiences lust, not love. Any supposed "love" in a romantic sense is normally just LARPing


 No.19284

>>19283

>love is a lie

You seem to be having a problem.

Two men can love each other for real.

And there is nothing you can say or do that will stop it.

And it's okay.


 No.19285

>>19284

>Two men can love each other for real.

Prove it.


 No.19288

>>19287

As you pointed out sex is not a requirement for love. Two men can love each other without engaging is sodomy.

>>19285

>Prove it.

You never had love for another man?

Ever? Sad.


 No.19289

>>19288

>You never had love for another man?

Love in the christian sense of loving your neighbour, not in the erotic sense


 No.19290

>>19289

That is be definition lust though.

So what exactly is wrong if you have love for a man and that develops into romantic love?


 No.19291

>>19290

>So what exactly is wrong if you have love for a man and that develops into romantic love?

It won't. That never happens legitimately. If you loved that person you wouldn't sodomise them. The romantic "'love" that 2 men may think they have is a deception and is not the same as the love between a man and a woman.

Loving your neighbour is a different kind of love to loving your wife, just like loving your parents is. Imagine if you asked "what is exactly wrong if you have love for your sister and that develops into romantic love"? You would presumably say that is wrong, and sodomy is the same.


 No.19293

>>19291

>talking about things I never experienced so I'm just going to pretend that anything outside of my experience is impossible

>that moment when you realize that god is also outside of our experience and you have to rely solely on faith

Hmmm… interesting…


 No.19295

>>19284

>Two men can love each other for real.

David and Jonathan.

1 Samuel 18

Read it and realize how right you are. Share with others.


 No.19298

>>19293

>>talking about things I never experienced so I'm just going to pretend that anything outside of my experience is impossible

>>that moment when you realize that god is also outside of our experience and you have to rely solely on faith

You just did exactly the same thing you accused me of doing. You dont know my history, nor do you know my experiences. Faith is not blind belief, there are numerous philosophical and historical proofs of Gods existence, and overwhelming evidence for the ressurection, and yet there is not a single good argument for atheism.


 No.19299

>>19295

David and Jonathon is talking about brotherly love, they weren't sodomising each other. I love my parents and I love my neighbours, does that mean I am commiting incest? No, because there are different types of love. Anyone who actually read the bible would know this, but I guess when your an atheist you have to read things without context and deliberately misinterpret things to avoid conviction.


 No.19301

File: 6cbf7d2ac2fa416⋯.jpg (10.23 KB, 300x240, 5:4, desire to know more.jpg)

>>19298

>there are numerous philosophical and historical proofs of Gods existence

>overwhelming evidence for the ressurection

I'm not a shit stirrer, I'm just an open minded lurker (not particularly inclined towards or against Christianity) wondering if you could post or link to some sources on these things. I'm genuinely curious.


 No.19303

File: e0ead3dd946d0cf⋯.jpg (1.9 MB, 2700x6826, 1350:3413, e0ead3dd946d0cffd58b51c54e….jpg)

>>19301

Pic related is Thomas Aquinas's proof, but there also lots of others.

This playlist essentially proves the ressurection:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TUYymBPce08oyuhnHLLkR_B

If you want more just ask.


 No.19309

>>19225

>>19273

Nowhere in the Bible is that distinction made. It was just nonsense pastors made up so they could justify ignoring most of God's laws but keeping the ones that enabled their bigotry. They supposedly gained this knowledge by some magical ability that enables them to "read between the lines".

If it's in the Bible it either exists or it doesn't. You don't get to cherry-pick whichever parts you like.

>>19228

>>19287

Okay, bub. So you never masturbate? So you've never had sex while using protection, or at any time other then when she is maximally fertile?

Idiocy.


 No.19310

>>19309

>Nowhere in the Bible is that distinction made. It was just nonsense pastors made up so they could justify ignoring most of God's laws but keeping the ones that enabled their bigotry

So the apostles just made up nonsense? You do realise that by your position we still need to make sacrifices then?

>Okay, bub. So you never masturbate? So you've never had sex while using protection

Both of these are sins, and I would imagine most people here have done at least the first one you mentioned. But the thing is, we are all falliable humans, we have all sinned, which is why we need Jesus as our saviour. When we sin, we need to REPENT. Did jesus say to the adulteress "you are forgiven, so keep sinning"? No, he said to sin no more.


 No.19311

>>19309

>Nowhere in the Bible is that distinction made

Maybe you should go and read the epistles.


 No.19312

>Do you see them as a problem?

It is a emmense problem.

>Is it a mental illness?

Yes, a very primitive form of retardation, not even the male monkeys were insane enough to mount one another

>Is it learned behaviour?

Not learned however it's functions as a disease, and like all foul things of that nature it spreads from carrier to new host, not just by pysical contact, through the media, which now there are pushing it so hard down the kids throats.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

It is in all forms morally detestable

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

No, nothing good could come from the tragedy of two homosexuals

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

Execution

The homosexual is a man that has been truly mentally broken in all forms, indeed the homosexual is a true dead man walking even his body is not his own, It is a known fact that 90% of all homos out there where either raped or abused by a pedo/homo, when they were just small children. A true misfortune and damage that cannot undone. Nothing good comes from these things they seek and lust after their own sex and pray on little children, even their own.


 No.19313

>>19055

>Is it a mental illness?

Yes but not only in some very rare cases.

>Is it learned behaviour?

Not necessarily.

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

On a Darwinian perspective it's not productive or healthy.

>or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin,

You can't stop people from bonding if they want. Marriage was and still is something related to religion. Nowadays seeing the decline in religions it's more of a tradition than a religious bonding.

> and two men can't get married?

Can two men or two women have a children ? no they can not. Can they live together if they want ? yes they can.

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust?

Define love.

I love my father, is it sinful ? yes I do. Is it out of pure lust ? No of course not. Men/Men love/attraction is in most case a mental health issue due to a lot of past problem. Their are some cases of genetic disorders too . It's actually the same thing with transgender people. There's only 0.0001% of the population who have a genetic disorder and the rest is just mental health. We have to accept that it's a health issue that needs to be taken into the medical area.

The reason of it's acceptance from the population and it is very political see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NyX5CxGraE

We should not accept/normalize that unhealthy people are not unhealthy people.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

Hugs and Kisses ? then Spanish and French people are gay I guess.

Anal sex is unhealthy and should not be promoted.

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

Take into health care and psychotherapy. We have to accept that these people are indeed sick and help them.


 No.19315

>>19055

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

Matthew 5:18

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


 No.19317

What the fuck is going on in this fagloving thread!?

>Do you see them as a problem?

They wouldn't be a problem if they kept themselves inside their closet. Now they got out, they seek to convince others that they are good people all while bugchasing. Further more, these people can perfectly reproduce, but cannot, because they do not want to, not because of infertility or something else. They seek nothing but fap, and contributes to legit nothing to civilization others than working, then die of AIDS prematurely.

>Is it a mental illness?

I ain't a psych but when i hear a faggot saying AIDS/HIV is a gift, then i would confidently say that it is one dreadful disorder.

>Is it learned behaviour?

See that little "+" on the top bar of your web browser? Click on it. If you haven't set anything, it should create a page with the words "About:Blank" on the address bar. It sounds silly to compare a newborn child with a new web page, but the concept is the same: That just born baby is BLANK. He's not fag/dyke/trans/whatever. And yes, not even straight. These things are learned from society as the child grows up.

>If it's sinful, why doesn't Jesus ever talk on the issue?

Haven't read that passage yet, i'm slowly progressing.

>Is it actually a sin, or is it a sin only because sex outside of marriage is sin, and two men can't get married?

It is a sin of the same caliber than bestiality due to the fact that it increases disease rate, which will eventually lead to death. Sex is for the pair-bonding to ultimately create LIFE. Bugchasing faggots spread DEATH instead, using, and perverting the primary vector for human life, and that deserve gulag-tier treatment.

>Is it possible for two homosexuals to have real love between them instead of pure lust? If so, is that love valuable?

Honestly cannot give my worthless opinion on that due to the fact that i am an outcast virgin which is why i ended up in chans in the first place.

>What is the line that shouldn't be crossed? Hugs? Kisses? Anal sex?

The line that one should never cross is another man to DESIRE for a man. Same goes for women.

>What should be done with them? Execution? Banishment? Rehabilitation?

I've thought of this alot….

1. Rehab.

if rehab fails

2. Dedicate a village JUST for them and do NOT let them out. I didn't said "camp". Or else they'll just end up worse. A nice village where they have their own degenerate life style forever. Eventually, due to their unwillingness/inability to reproduce, they will just automatically fade away.

Faggotry always existed and i don't mind them existing. Just stay in your fucking closet.


 No.19323

its a real chemical imbalance in the brain, an identification with the mother/ feminine image in the masculine psyche. It's unconscious meaning it's entirely out of the control of the individual to prefer men (unless they're bi). I'd say it's ok given the increase in our population. As for what they should do, steer clear from the collectivized mindsets associated the lgbt community and far left in general and live your own life.


 No.19324

>>19323

if u take the christian doctrine too literally, it loses all of its meaning. Clinging onto slogans isn't going to do u any good unless u actually can internalize the symbolic meaning of the text. This is necessary to reach your higher self, christ.


 No.19325

What’s with all the niceties? Homosexuality is a mental illness that centres on degeneracy and hedonism. Their rampant promiscuity created an aids epidemic. Most have pedophiliac tendencies and let’s not forget how many serial killers were homo. I’m not playing games. No blanket statements, no niceties. Facts are facts no matter what religion you believe.


 No.19397

>discussion

This is probably the most retarded thread on this board. There is no discussion. It goes against scripture.


 No.19419

>>19397

Go back to /christian/


 No.19423

File: bf2c6c9b537bae4⋯.jpg (152.48 KB, 1365x644, 195:92, Only_Trump_Jeb_Faggot.JPG)

1 Corinthians 6:9

you can be the nicest guy, you can go to church every wednesday and sunday, you can have a little boy and a little girl, you can love your wife 24/7, but if you dont seem like a straight and manly man, you aren't a righteous man


 No.19434

>>19217

>>19217

> asks for sensible discussion

> throws a shit fit

Repent faggot


 No.19448

>>19434

OP here, that anon is not me.

>>19422

How do you even know that place is a thing?

>mfw a christian knows more about gay stuff than me


 No.19486

Homosexuality is good as much as it allows you to have a better relationship with God.

If it's detrimental to your relationship with God, it's a bad thing.


 No.19492

>>19490

These are all true statemenets


 No.19496

>>19495

Why?


 No.19500


 No.19504


 No.19507

>>19504

>god

>hates

Pick one, heretic.


 No.19508

>>19507

Almost accurate, let me just fix it.

>God

>Hates [being(s)]

Pick one


 No.19560

>>19309

I love this. Sodomy is thoroughly accepted throughout mainstream society, yet the fact that a small few traditional holdouts still exist against you burns your ass so much that you feel the urge to come to an obscure Christian image board to attempt to refute us. Why don't you cut the bullshit and admit to the guilt and shame you feel for what you've done to yourself and others?


 No.19561

>>19560

Your cryptomatriarchy ideology feels threatened by faggots?

Since having a job basically means taking dick in the ass today, society has normalized such behaviour, you don't really ask "why society does this" you take the conclusion from its development.


 No.19562

>>19560

>Sodomy is thoroughly accepted

Except that's not what this discussion was about at all.

There are literally commandments in the Bible we no longer even consider fulfilling, and life moves on without anyone, even priests considering them sinful.

The question is not whether sex outside of marriage is okay (the stance of the church is that it's always wrong and guess what, nobody actually cares about this, because people want to have sex before marriage to see if it will work out), but whether samesex relationships are bad no matter what or are they only bad if they include sexual behaviour. Where are the limits? Is this one of the outdated commandments? How do we know if yes, or not?

What the degenerate conservatives do is that they occupy the safest space possible and take potshots at everyone else who has the balls to take a more risky stance on the issue, and thus, the conservative finds himself in a position, where he stays put while condemning literally everyone else, while risk-takers actually get shit done and uncover truths.

Even if gay sex were actually wrong, that's not really an argument to condemn gay sex given the rampant degeneracy amongst straight people. You either condemn all extramarital affairs, or you don't. Faggotry becomes literally a non-issue if you do that, but no, you gotta pretend that faggotry is somehow a special sin that is worse than heterosexual sluttery.


 No.19563

>>19562

This.

But also it's just funny how some cucks like to cling to the idea of The Law due to their insecurities and become total pharisees talking shit about everyone else, when the actual spirit of the law would be to love each other and help each other along the path of reconciliation with God, and here they are whining like an old woman. A fucking faggot might just have more relevant spiritual experience, than these weaklings whose entire spiritual practice consists of reading books and googling bible passages that condemn what they don't like and validate what they do like.




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