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GOD BLESS YOU Anonymous 06/15/15 (Mon) 22:14:15 No.2610

a bro hailing from >>>/goodchristian/ here looking for stimulating imageboard discourse,

what do you think of pic related?

also ama

Anonymous 06/15/15 (Mon) 22:34:20 No.2611

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>>2610

>mfw

I would personally reject this.

Explain more about "Unantia" pls, though "New Thought" sounds like Old Heresy.

Anonymous 06/16/15 (Tue) 07:23:53 No.2614

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>>2610

I don't know much of these religion, I recall "New Thought" being an option on Fringe, Urantia being a "channeled" falsery (ie scientific beliefs expoused in it were true to their times, but not modern discoveries) probably written by some Pastor (like original Rosicrusians was a myth invented by one Bishop) and Universalism had a lot of hatred against on this board, I think they're syncretic Protestant denomination?

Also, good to see you didn't put Rastafari in :"Witchraft tier" like so many do (or just forget to modify), they're not really that bad aside smoking weed and claiming Emperor Haile Selassie I was a Jesus incarnated (and being bit of nigboo), I had one friend who was one.

Unlike many Christians today they held true to Bible verses, like protesting against sodomites like in that one Polish reggae song (if some nationalist would do that that would trigger the SJWs, kek). Thus said there are Christafari who remained Christians too, it's a subculture.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 04:16:40 No.2618

>>2611

>0:12.12 Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.

0:12.13 We are fully cognizant of the difficulties of our assignment; we recognize the impossibility of fully translating the language of the concepts of divinity and eternity into the symbols of the language of the finite concepts of the mortal mind. But we know that there dwells within the human mind a fragment of God, and that there sojourns with the human soul the Spirit of Truth; and we further know that these spirit forces conspire to enable material man to grasp the reality of spiritual values and to comprehend the philosophy of universe meanings. But even more certainly we know that these spirits of the Divine Presence are able to assist man in the spiritual appropriation of all truth contributory to the enhancement of the ever-progressing reality of personal religious experience—God-consciousness.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 07:58:23 No.2619

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>>2614

Ralph Waldo Emerson ('the intellectual father' of New Thought) and in turn Transcendentalism (the first notable America intellectual movement) has an influence on New Thought.

>Transcedentalism was rooted in English and German Romanticism, the Biblical criticism of Herder and Schleiermacher, and the skepticism of Hume, and the transcendental philosophy of Immanuel Kant (and of German Idealism more generally…. Another major influence was the mystical spiritualism of Emanuel Swedenborg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism

>Build, therefore, your own world. As fast as you conform your life to the pure idea in your mind, that will unfold its great proportions. A correspondent revolution in things will attend the influx of the spirit. -Ralph Waldo Emerson

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 09:22:19 No.2621

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>The Religion that is afraid of science dishonours God and commits suicide. It acknowledges that it is not equal to the whole of truth, that it legislates, tyrannizes over a village of God's empires but is not the immutable universal law. Every influx of atheism, of skepticism is thus made useful as a mercury pill assaulting and removing a diseased religion and making way for truth.

In how many churches, by how many prophets, tell me, is man made sensible that he is an infinite Soul; that the earth and heavens are passing into his mind; that he is drinking forever the soul of God?

>Character is higher than intellect…A great soul will be strong to live, as well as strong to think.

Explore, and explore, and explore. Be neither chided nor flattered out of your position of perpetual inquiry. Neither dogmatise yourself, nor accept another's dogmatism. Why should you renounce your right to traverse the star-lit deserts of truth, for the premature comforts of an acre, house, and barn? Truth also has its roof, and bed, and board. Make yourself necessary to the world, and mankind will give you bread, and if not store of it, yet such as shall not take away your property in all men's possessions, in all men's affections, in art, in nature, and in hope.

>Thought is all light, and publishes itself to the universe. It will speak, though you were dumb, by its own miraculous organ. It will flow out of your actions, your manners, and your face. It will bring you friendships. It will impledge you to truth by the love and expectation of generous minds. By virtue of the laws of that Nature, which is one and perfect, it shall yield every sincere good that is in the soul, to the scholar beloved of earth and heaven.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 14:50:26 No.2623

>>2621

Urantia sounds interesting, more as entertainment than anything else like the Trojan Horse books by that Spaniard whose name I forget.

>Emerson

I personally dislike Emerson, Thoreau and anything Transcendentalist, though to each his own I suppose.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 14:53:05 No.2624

>>2610

>what do you think of pic related?

kill it with fire

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 20:30:07 No.2629

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>>2623

It is way more value than entertainment as it is most profound spiritual content and philosophy; but if one doesn't appreciate it to each their own.

>>2624

why?

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 20:36:21 No.2630

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>>2629

>calling heresy "enlightened"

That's why.

Universalism especially is evil and new thought and Urantia just heathenry.

non denominational Christianity = feel good Christianity

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 20:47:18 No.2631

>>2630

Heresy definitely can be enlightened since 'heresy' is a meaningless term which means 'having a religious opinion that we disagree with'.

Just because a sect or denomination labels something as heretical it says absolutely nothing about its truth claims.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 20:48:27 No.2632

>>2630

non denominational Christianity = enlightened Christianity

thats my personal opinion

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 20:51:30 No.2633

>>2631

wrong.

Heresy means that you are no longer part of the one true Church that was founded by Christ.

This excludes you from salvation, a power bestowed on the Church by Jesus.

>>2632

Yes, because you like to make it easy for yourself and reject any responsibility.

There is only one Church and either one is part of it and can be saved or he is not. This is the reality we have to deal with.

There is literally no reason for being non-denominational out of principle except for being egocentric

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:00:59 No.2634

>>2633

>Heresy means that you are no longer part of the one true Church that was founded by Christ.

That is a mere belief which I reject as I don't hold the pronouncements of the Catholic church to be infallible truth.

>There is literally no reason for being non-denominational out of principle except for being egocentric

Wrong, if one loves the Truth then one will recognize that no denomination has the sole exclusive source of religious truth.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:08:40 No.2635

>>2633

>There is only one Church and either one is part of it and can be saved or he is not.

This is another belief I reject. There is one Chruch but it is the invisible spiritual brotherhood; any physical church claiming to be the one and only church whose membership is required for salvation, has in my opinion an issue with spiritual hubris; such dogma enslaves the soul in spiritual untruth and the fallible misconceptions of humans rather than liberating one into the true freedom of God's living truth.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:10:18 No.2636

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>>2634

>That is a mere belief which I reject as I don't hold the pronouncements of the Catholic church to be infallible truth.

Which they are though.

But even if not, all apostolics agree on that.

Rejecting the Church is rejecting Christ since the Church is the body of Christ.

There is no feel good interpretation around this, sorry.

When Christ founded this Church he made it obvious that he does not want ANY to be non-denominational but ALL to be part of his Church.

This is why Christians are meant to spread the gospel, not to encourage people to do whatever they like.

>Wrong, if one loves the Truth then one will recognize that no denomination has the sole exclusive source of religious truth.

Implying.

Only the one, true, holy, orthodox, catholic Church holds the truth as it was bestowed upon her by the Holy Spirit.

We are called to form communities in the gospel - you don't

We are called to spread the gospel - you don't

We are called to follow the apostles and bishops - you don't

Even Jesus himself got baptised - you don't

That's why this new age crap is so vile, it is even a tier below protestantism, it just ceased to be Christian at all. The protties at least try to follow and study the bible in their crude ways, but you even stopped that.

This is the end of the road, beyond this point there is only death. You need to turn around.

Urantia Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:21:51 No.2637

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>>2636

>195:10.14 It is all too true that such a church would not have survived unless there had been men in the world who preferred such a style of worship. Many spiritually indolent souls crave an ancient and authoritative religion of ritual and sacred traditions. Human evolution and spiritual progress are hardly sufficient to enable all men to dispense with religious authority. And the invisible brotherhood of the kingdom may well include these family groups of various social and temperamental classes if they are only willing to become truly spirit-led sons of God. But in this brotherhood of Jesus there is no place for sectarian rivalry, group bitterness, nor assertions of moral superiority and spiritual infallibility.

Urantia Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:26:50 No.2638

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>>2636

>195:10.8 Ecclesiasticism is at once and forever incompatible with that living faith, growing spirit, and firsthand experience of the faith-comrades of Jesus in the brotherhood of man in the spiritual association of the kingdom of heaven. The praiseworthy desire to preserve traditions of past achievement often leads to the defense of outgrown systems of worship. The well-meant desire to foster ancient thought systems effectually prevents the sponsoring of new and adequate means and methods designed to satisfy the spiritual longings of the expanding and advancing minds of modern men.

>>2636

>This is the end of the road, beyond this point there is only death. You need to turn around.

Hardly; it is you that needs to wake up from being a religious zombie blindly fed spiritual dogmas from fallible humans.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:29:34 No.2639

>>2637

This would be an argument if you did attack the position of the pope in the church, not a good one but at least an argument.

But you want to deny the whole church.

Other apostolic churches like the Orthodox do accept that there is one Church in Christ and that we Catholics are part of it. They just reject the positin of the pope and several dogmas.

There is however no apostolic church that would deny that there is the need of there being one Church.

They are not all agreeing on which one it is, but they agree that it IS there.

Wh did Jesus appoint the apostles if he didn't want them ?

Why does the bible tell us to follow our bishops?

Why are we meant to form communities and be baptised in the Holy Spirit?

It is as I said, every seriousprottie would know this because they at least care about the bible.

What is Christian left here?

Why do you call yourself a Christian at all?

You reject the church and the bible and therefore Christ.

These ideas are like a bad joke, there is nothing to be taken serious about them.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:31:13 No.2640

>>2638

>outgrown systems of worship

Outgrown?

Does faith change? Or worship?

No.

Why? Because God does not change.

You just make your case worse.

In Tune with the Infinite Ralph Waldo Trine 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:32:43 No.2641

In order for the highest wisdom and insight we must have absolute confidence in the Divine guiding us, but not through the channel of some one else. And why should we go to another for knowledge and wisdom? With God is no respect of persons. Why should we seek these things second hand? Why should we thus stultify our own innate powers? Why should we not go direct to the Infinite Source itself? "If any man lack wisdom let him ask of God." "Before they call I will answer, and while they are yet speaking, I will hear." When we thus go directly to the Infinite Source itself we are no longer slaves to personalities, institutions, or books.

There is no more important injunction in all the world, nor one with a deeper interior meaning, than "To thine own self be true." In other words, be true to your own soul, for it is through your own soul that the voice of God speaks to you. This is the interior guide. This is the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world. This is conscience. This is intuition. This is the voice of the higher self, the voice of the soul, the voice of God. " Thou shalt hear a voice behind thee, saying: This is the way, walk ye in it."

When Elijah was on the mountain it was after the various physical commotions and manifestations that he heard the "still, small voice," the voice of his own soul, through which the Infinite God was speaking.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:35:22 No.2642

>>2641

Why should I listen at all to this?

It sounds exactly like what it is, a new age sect.

These words have no authority whatsoever, someone thought up an idea he felt comfortable with and shilled it as the truth.

Again, even protties made reasonings and cited sources badly but they did to make their point, it is because they had and have decency left.

>>2639

>What is Christian left here?

>Why do you call yourself a Christian at all?

>You reject the church and the bible and therefore Christ.

>These ideas are like a bad joke, there is nothing to be taken serious about them.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:37:42 No.2643

>>2640

Yes, religion is also subject to natural evolution; God did not make humans associated with religion (ie. apostles and church fathers) to be infallible, God did not make them infallible in religious matters as that would have abrogated their free-will, so their religious dogmas and convictions are subject to error and incompleteness.

So you may look to them for inspiration or as a historical record but their writings and pronouncements are in no way infallible inviolable truth.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:39:25 No.2644

>>2642

Truth is the Truth no matter the source, God did not stop revealing His Truth to individual humans; if one cannot recognize truth that is a personal matter of lack of wisdom and enlightenment.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:42:00 No.2645

>>2643

>Yes, religion is also subject to natural evolution

Why should it be?

>infallible

The Holy Spirit is infalible and he protects the Church, that's why it exists.

>>2644

>; if one cannot recognize truth that is a personal matter of lack of wisdom and enlightenment.

The problem at hand is that your "truth" contradicts the former revalations.

Which basically exposes it as a scam.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:45:15 No.2646

>>2645

>The Holy Spirit is infalible and he protects the Church, that's why it exists.

This is a belief based on erroneous interpretation.

>The problem at hand is that your "truth" contradicts the former revalations.

Or your misunderstanding of the former revelations causes you to close yourself off from truth. The former revelations were neither perfect nor complete.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:47:01 No.2647

>>2646

>The former revelations were neither perfect

Coming back to that

>>2639

Do you even consider yourself Christian?

If so, how?

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:49:20 No.2648

>>2647

I follow the religion of Jesus, not the religion of Paul nor the religion of the Roman church etc etc

ie. if one wants to get technical I follow a truer and purer expression of Jesus' teachings.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 21:53:14 No.2650

>>2648

>I follow the religion of Jesus, not the religion of Paul nor the religion of the Roman church etc etc

But Jesus appointed the apostles and confirmed the Old Testament, so you differ hard.

Is, according to you that is, Jesus the Son of God/God?

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 22:00:26 No.2651

>>2650

>is, Jesus the Son of God/God?

Yes.

Neither the apostles nor the Old Testament are infallible truth; the Truth is the living God of Truth and cannot be bound by human dogmas or doctrines. If God were to enlighten your mind you would see; but still you would have free will to reject what you see.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 22:03:58 No.2652

>>2651

>OT is not truth

>>2650

>But Jesus appointed the apostles and confirmed the Old Testament

A shame that Jesus was wrong on that then.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 22:09:02 No.2653

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>>2652

>A shame that Jesus was wrong on that then.

At least pick a different flag anon.

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 22:10:18 No.2654

>>2652

You are too simple-minded. Is the OT infallible? Is it 100% the literal word of God? Or is it a record of the religious experience of the Hebrews being neither perfect nor complete yet still expressing some of the highest conceptions of God in that day and age?

Anonymous 06/17/15 (Wed) 22:11:09 No.2655

>>2653

Dismiss that, sarcasm did not translate for me.

Ralph Waldo Trine 06/17/15 (Wed) 23:14:46 No.2656

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>Reason is not to be set aside, but it is to be continually illumined by this higher spiritual perception, and in the degree that it is thus illumined will it become an agent of light and power. When one becomes thoroughly individualized he enters into the realm of all knowledge and wisdom; and to be individualized is to recognize no power outside of the Infinite Power that is back of all. When one recognizes this great fact and opens himself to this Spirit of Infinite Wisdom, he then enters upon the road to the true education, and mysteries that before were closed now reveal themselves to him. This must indeed be the foundation of all true education, this evolving from within, this evolving of what has been involved by the Infinite Power.

All about us we see men in the religious world, in the world of science, in the political, in the social world, who through intellectual pride are so wrapped in their own conceits and prejudices that larger and later revelations of truth can find no entrance to them; and instead of growing and expanding, they are becoming dwarfed and stunted, and still more incapable of receiving truth. Instead of actively aiding in the progress of the world, they are as so many dead sticks in the way that would retard the wheels of progress. This, however, they can never do. Such always in time get bruised, broken, and left behind, while God's triumphal car of truth moves steadily onward.

>This seems indeed an amusing fact; but far more amusing is the man who voluntarily closes himself to truth because, forsooth, it does not come through conventional, or orthodox, or heretofore accepted channels; or because it may not be in full accord with, or possibly may be opposed to, established usages or beliefs. http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/twi/index.htm

Anonymous 06/19/15 (Fri) 10:45:58 No.2668

>>2656

going to have to agree with deist bro

the truth is only as we see it

Anonymous 06/19/15 (Fri) 16:46:10 No.2717

>>2621

Based Emerson.

Anonymous 06/19/15 (Fri) 16:52:32 No.2718

>>2645

>The Holy Spirit is infalible and he protects the Church, that's why it exists.

>schism

>the Holy Spirit wanted a schism