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I don't like lazy permanent bums. Temporary handouts are understandable.

>>2622

I think the best way to go about it is to listen to the Spirit whenever trying to decide whether to give to someone or not; its all heavily dependent on the individual beggar.

>Here many people want to ban it at all

What country is this?

>Also what is about mendicants?

They I have no problem with because I have an easier time believing it will be used for righteous purposes.

I've thankfully never had to beg myself and I've so much hubris in my heart that unless I had children I'd likely prefer to google exit bag.

>>2625

What if it has a chronical reason ?

Like the begger being a cripple?

>>2626

>What country is this?

Austria

video related, only in German though, sorry

>They I have no problem with because I have an easier time believing it will be used for righteous purposes.

But he will just use it for his livelyhood for the most part.

I must have given hundreds to beggars over my life.

I have now stopped because I have been informed that gypsy beggars are often forced to beg by others who abuse them, and giving them money thus endangers others: if the abusers see that it makes money, they will continue doing so.

>>2627

Ah well if it's a wellfare state banning it might not be a problem. I treated a homeless guy who I saw waving a cardboard sign by the road to some hamburgers at a restaurant 4 years ago and listened to his story. He said he worked in aerospace and was laid off at the start of the recession, and now he sleeps on a table in the local park under the stars. Last week I saw him sleeping in the park which is beside a church, except he has a bike now. This time I decided he was a lazy bum and I'd ignore him and let wellfare and charities waste their efforts on him. I can only do so much, it's been 4 years, he has a bike for commuting, and it can't be that hard to find a job.

>>3398

Aren't they in danger too if they earn nothing?

Imo this will just cause them to go for harsher measures. For example cutting off a child's arm to make it earn enough money agin because people will pity it.

>>3399

So you would only give to someone if it is

a) not his fault being in this situation

b) being expected to change any time soon

?

>>3411

That sounds like a complicated situation. We are to help our fellow men and be kind to others, but we don't have to be involved specifically with gypsies and organized criminal beggars. The wisest thing might just be to take your charity and time elsewhere.

How bad are gyppos, really? We don't really have them in America save for really specific areas, and I've never spent enough time in Pennsatucky to run into their kind

>>3415

>How bad are gyppos, really? We don't really have them in America save for really specific areas, and I've never spent enough time in Pennsatucky to run into their kind

What I told you about beggars cutting off the arms of their very own children, you know? I did not make it up. Gypsies do stuff like this. They also engage in witchcraft and esoteric stuff.

>>3422

>What I told you about beggars cutting off the arms of their very own children, you know?

Lovely. At first I misunderstood and thought it was their owners who did this, not their family. Well, I hope a strong leader arises in Europe and deals with them as best he sees fit, and be judged by God accordingly. America has many problems, and many problem people but thankfully no gypsies.

They seem like a group that would test my commitment to Jesus' commandments more so than blacks or Indians (feathers, not dots).

>>3424

Yes. I always found it quite merciful of people to just expulse them self protection essentially and not genocide them.

>Well, I hope a strong leader arises in Europe and deals with them as best he sees fit, and be judged by God accordingly. America has many problems, and many problem people but thankfully no gypsies.

Orban is anti-gypsy.

But if you're anti-gypsy here you are a Nazi.

Beside the countries that traditionally house gypsies France and Germany are having problems with them because of open borders with Romania and Bulgaria in the EU.

>>3411

I think I'm like most people who treat things on a case by case basis. How much I'm willing to give depends on how much money I have, how I judge the person's capacity to take care of himself, and how much he appears to need it.