/christ/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

is this going to be the Q&A general? or only for mormonism?

>>3182

There is already an LDS general so we don't need two of those.

>>3178

>But I have also noticed that this board is primarily Mormons

>>3179

>This board isn't primarily anything

In fact we are primarily Catholic

>>1199

http://strawpoll.me/4241320

Catholicism being by far the biggest denomination in the world this will just always be the nature of things.

A /christ/ demography thread would be better than a LDS General 2 tbh.

There are

Desubong (Catholic, not baptised yet)

Me (Catholic)

T.O.M. ( Mormon but you said you abandoned it? )

Dixie flag dude (baptised Catholic, aspiring mormon)

One of little Faith (Catholic, but not too fond of the Church and left probably)

Follower of the way (non-dem)

Tribal Spurdo man(?)

You (Northern Baptism)

Shinigami (atheist)

sailor moon anon (Catholic but left :^( )

music thread anon/classical music dude (Catholic, not sure if still here)

that one american from /int/ we talked to often in the past and that wanted to learn Latin (Catholic, not sure if still here)

+non-recognisable anonymous posters

I made a flag for northern Baptism btw ;^)

One of te major problems we have is that we seem to attract enough users but that they see no reason to stay/just leave after a while.

I think they just dislike us being so slow, because most of them is very active for a week or a couple of weeks and then just leaves :^( I also don't know how we could help that.

>The first one is: Do you really believe that Jesus was born a human and ascended into Godhood? Or is that just a myth about Mormonism?

I'm no mormon, but Mormons believe that all faithful Mormons will ascend to Godhood, not just Jesus.

Oh Venezuelanon came here too a couple of days ago and opened the infograph thread,… I probably forgot still people, sorry for that.

>>3191

Yes, you're right. After making that post I remembered that Dixie flag guy (now know to me as Savonarolanon, but just in my mind), which would make it so that there are two regular Catholic posters, being the majority. I thought Shinigami and other fedora may have been different people, but now I'm not so sure.

>T.O.M. ( Mormon but you said you abandoned it? )

Its been a wild ride. I never left the church, but I did go through a pretty strong period of disbelief, when I felt serious doubts about the church and some days almost a certainty it was untrue. You can observe the change of heart as documented in the LDS thread if you like.

>One of te major problems we have is that we seem to attract enough users but that they see no reason to stay/just leave after a while.

We have to make threads more regularly then.

>I'm no mormon, but Mormons believe that all faithful Mormons will ascend to Godhood, not just Jesus.

I'd prefer this didn't become another LDS general, so lets try and move these things to it. I'll say here though that we believe the vast majority of Mormons will no become Gods, because its incredibly hard, as you could imagine. Everyone should *aspire* to Godhhood, and most people do, but you gotta be pretty darn inspired and righteous to have a shot.

>>3201

>>3201

>Its been a wild ride. I never left the church, but I did go through a pretty strong period of disbelief, when I felt serious doubts about the church and some days almost a certainty it was untrue. You can observe the change of heart as documented in the LDS thread if you like.

You should have abandoned it. You still should. Do not fall in this old pattern, if you want to you can just leave it behind.

>We have to make threads more regularly then.

Our Catalog is full of threads with good topics that are below 10 posts

>I'd prefer this didn't become another LDS general, so lets try and move these things to it.

Fine

>which would make it so that there are two regular Catholic posters, being the majority.

I think that many only post occasionally which leads us to be quite stable somewhere betwen 12-25 UIPs all the time. We would need something that made more lurkers post.

>>3191

> I made a flag for Northern Baptism by the way

Ok you are guys are pretty awesome :^)

But what are some ideas for expanding the board? Do we have some? Becuase I would love to see it grow and become a widely accepted alternative to /Christian/

>>3203

What we need to do is start something interesting that other boards will want be a part of and then invite them over.

>>3204

>But what are some ideas for expanding the board? Do we have some? Becuase I would love to see it grow and become a widely accepted alternative to /Christian/

I made the advertisement threads on the other religious or likeminded boards.

>>1772

>>1773

In my opinion they were a great success although only /philosophy/ accepted our offer.

There were some discussions going on there, we could take them up and thus bump them.

Traffic is the best thing we can have. Just post a lot. Also check our catalog and participate/bump the old threads again.

>>3205

This would be good. But what?

A thread that I'd like would be one discussing/explaining the different branches of Protestantism especially in America. I have like 0 knowledge about them in detail.

>>3206

I was thinking we could have some kind of event like /icup/ ( By the way we need to participate in that this coming season)

Or perhaps we could have some kind of cross board project we can get rolling. Personally when I want to advertise I want to go big. I am going to start a YouTube channel and maybe I can use it to advertise this board.

But most importantly of all we need to make ourselves presentable. /Christian/s biggest complaint about us is that we are heretical. If we have things like Satanist flags and allow blasphemy againstJesus they may very well have a point. We do not want to be /goodchristian/ we want to be /Christ/! I like the denomination discussion threads, but we need to get rid of anything which is insulting Christ or Christianity. THEN I propose we start step 2: Which is create a project of interest and start threads on every single board advertising it!

But can you agree that a Satanist flag does not belong on a Christian board? (Also Sorcerer)

>Dixie flag guy (now know to me as Savonarolanon, but just in my mind)

That made me grin lel

By all means, call me Savonarolanon or Savonarola.

>>3213

Heh, well good, its just helpful for me to help distinguish between anons while we're still few and its, I mean, different than somewhere with plenty of anons.The culture of this board as of yet is still very trip friendly, so much so that if you don't have a name you sort of get one by default.

>>3214

Also, I speak Spanish fluently so Savonarolanon is really fun to say and just rolls off the tongue.

>>3214

I do like it, but I don't want to imply I share the bad qualities of the real Savonarola (disobedience to the church, etc).

>>3215

Kek

Also, does anyone know what's up with that Jewish shitposter?

>>3216

>I do like it, but I don't want to imply I share the bad qualities of the real Savonarola

Yeah, I know you mentioned that. I may refer to you as such from time to time if the need calls for it, which usually only happens when talking to a third party; unless you end up taking a name. Think carefully on that, there's no going back! Once you have a name, even when you go anon, you get called out

>Jewish shitposter?

That's pretty much all there is to him. He's most likely not a real Joo, just someone having a few keks by "praising" things with a Jewish mask with the intent of indirect criticizing them. Its really whatever, if he gets out of hand Desubong will deal with him.

>>3217

Then I suppose a trip will be inevitable.

I'll need to mull on this through the night.

There's quite a bit to choose from…maybe two nights would be prudent.

>>3210

I must disagree with you on one thing. 'Edgy' is not a Christian virtue. I am a Christian First, and all things Second. This includes a Channer. If allowing blasphemy is part of your Christian board then I simply can not agree. But I am not the person who runs your board. So I am not in charge. It is your decision to make. That being said I still do not stand with /Christian/ and their anti-Protestant bias. So I think that I will make it a habit to post on both boards.

>>3226

You can do what you like NB, I'm just another poster here, same as you. You should voice your suggestions to the only person who can do something about them, BO Desubong, see what he says.

God bless you.

>>3226

I agree.

When /christ/ was first made, there were some heinous banners that I and others rightly took offense to.

As far as /christian/ is concerned, I can't get over the behavior of some self-professed Catholics.

Don't get me wrong, I'll fling around theology with Protestants when the time calls for it but I correct my brethren gently, as the Apostle Peter instructs us.

>>3208

> I am going to start a YouTube channel and maybe I can use it to advertise this board.

What will it be about?

>But most importantly of all we need to make ourselves presentable. /Christian/s biggest complaint about us is that we are heretical. If we have things like Satanist flags and allow blasphemy againstJesus they may very well have a point.

Being a Satanist is not against the rules:

>>68

> but we need to get rid of anything which is insulting Christ or Christianity.

What do you have in mind? I have not seen anyone here insult Christ or Christianity since the Satanists left.

>But can you agree that a Satanist flag does not belong on a Christian board? (Also Sorcerer)

This reminds me of something.

But Satanists are allowed to post here and debate us after all. Also it is in the nature of things that they will say mean stuff about Christianity while doing so.

If we'd ban this here they would just go somewhere else. If they keep it here we can debate them.

If I'd follow this logic till the end there'd needed to be a lot of stuff banned. Essentially until all of /christ/ that's left is /catholicism/

It is no problem atm imo. If it becomes one we can think of a solution.

>>3226

> If allowing blasphemy is part of your Christian board then I simply can not agree.

But it should be one of our goals that heathens come here. If we make it mandatory to agree with us it would be pointless to do so.

>>3231

>When /christ/ was first made, there were some heinous banners that I and others rightly took offense to.

They were never taken, just proposed.

>>3178

>But I have also noticed that this board is primarily Mormons

Hey NB! I've only ever seen you shortly after/before the birth of this board, but never much since.

I'm very active here (though I spent weeks away from it, for reasons) and I'm not Mormon. We have two Mormons that I can tell. We have more Catholics at this point.

I realise (now) that your thread is about Mormons, but I still wanted to say hi, if you're still around somewhere.

Don't wait for /christian/ to chase away Protestants to come here. You can go on both. Here is more like the VIP room in a club.

>>3191

>One of little Faith (Catholic, but not too fond of the Church and left probably)

>left probably

I was talking with a German man the other day, and he mentioned leaving the Church, and joining again later. The way he talked about it, it sounded like a formality, like a real one, where you sign something and probably where you pay some taxes to support the Church.

I've never done anything this official, one way or the other. Just curious about what you mean exactly by "leaving".

>>3191

>I think they just dislike us being so slow, because most of them is very active for a week or a couple of weeks and then just leaves :^( I also don't know how we could help that.

We need a broader base, simply.

>>3204

>But what are some ideas for expanding the board?

Start by being here more often!

As for expansion, I've started talks with /atheism/ and things are going well though who knows how much exchange there'll be between us. At least they know we exist and for now they see us as an alternative to /christian/; if we can maintain that reputation with them, we should grow (in reputation if not numbers).

>>3206

>I made the advertisement threads on the other religious or likeminded boards

Nice job.

>we're sort of the edgy alternative to /christian/, that's our thing. We don't have to compete with them,

That said, we should perhaps try to be more present on /christian/, just to let other Christians know there's an alternative.

>So, yeah, let the Satanist flag stay.

Wut… We have a satanist flag? But yeah, let it stay. If anything, Satanists are the ones you want to talk to the most.

>>3178

Or you could just come back.

>>3208

>/Christian/s biggest complaint about us is that we are heretical

I think the biggest complaint should be that a lot of quality posters left because they were pouty and thereby decreased the quality of the board just because they defended a troll.

I mean, as it is now, neither has any reason to stay here but the circle jerk.

>>3231

>I can't get over the behavior of some self-professed Catholics

Getting over other peoples behaviour is part of being christian. It annoys me a as a catholic mostly.

>>4342

> just to let other Christians know there's an alternative

Sure, getting banned constantly and being a nuisance is acceptable for a christian, right?

>>3231

>there were some heinous banners that I and others rightly took offense to.

All of them made by me. As I said back then, any can be taken down, I won't mind.

>But can you agree that a Satanist flag does not belong on a Christian board?

I don't agree, because the flag is here for the user, and any user belongs here, especially a Satanist, if you want a chance to make him change his mind. That's the big difference from /christian/, this isn't just for Christians. We have a few agnostics/atheists and they are very precious to me because their interest in Christ/God/The Truth is genuine and that's what matters. Christ wouldn't reject them, so let's not either.

>>4343

>Sure, getting banned constantly and being a nuisance is acceptable for a christian, right?

I'm sure the two don't have to be part of the same package.

As to being a nuisance, it's a matter of point of view. Christ Himself was regarded as a nuisance by all sorts of people and still is. So, in a way, yes.

>>4346

This is rich coming from the guy who admitted that he wanted to be banned and intentionally made a fuss to achieve that.

Do you even know how often you were reported for defending your views on masturbation and nothing happened?

>Christ Himself was regarded as a nuisance by all sorts of people

When he said: 'suffer little children', he didn’t allow children to annoy elders on purpose.

>>4349

> the guy who admitted that he wanted to be banned

I don't recall wanting to be banned.

>Do you even know how often you were reported for defending your views on masturbation and nothing happened?

Yes. Are you aware of how many other things I've done and didn't get banned for it? Way more! I never complained about my own bans much and I left mostly because the place had changed since its inception and I no longer felt at home, largely because of my views and the reception they weregiven.

You either rely on second-hand sources too much or you have a personal problem with me and try to twist things to fit your purpose more.

I'm sorry if I personally angered you in the past, but if that is the case, we might as well talk it out now.

>When he said: 'suffer little children', he didn’t allow children to annoy elders on purpose.

In which I am a child and you and /christian/ are elders. All right.

This changes nothing to what I said, though, being a nuisance is a question of point of view.

I'd really like to know what your beef is with me.

>>4349

>and intentionally made a fuss to achieve that.

I jumped on the bandwagon late. I opened a thread about Northern Baptist getting banned, as he had requested, and I wanted to help, so I opened a thread with the image of his ban. I didn't know at the time that it was mostly over.

I did get banned for it, but didn't complain about it. I even mentioned many times that I didn't have a problem with the bans I had gotten myself, no matter how numerous they were. I personally don't think bans are useful to anybody in general, but I didn't contest most of mine. It's more the general attitude that I disliked, and the bans of others which were clearly ego-related. But none of that was essential in my decision to leave.

Are you the mod by any chance?

>>4351

>largely because of my views and the reception they weregiven

Maybe stop tripfagging then. And yes, I know that. After you were banned for gravedigging that one thread, you admitted it was out of spite.

Maybe I am the first hand source

>you have a personal problem with me

No, a reply to a tripfag can just be due to the content.

>I was talking with a German man the other day, and he mentioned leaving the Church, and joining again later. The way he talked about it, it sounded like a formality, like a real one, where you sign something and probably where you pay some taxes to support the Church.

This is correct. However, one cannot leave the catholic faith. Any act of apostasy is partial to the one who commits it.

>>4353

>Maybe stop tripfagging then.

The name keeps me in check.

>After you were banned for gravedigging that one thread, you admitted it was out of spite.

Another thing I don't recall saying, most probably because I never said it. I didn't gravedug anything, I opened it.

>Maybe I am the first hand source

You sure share his bad faith and delusional interpretation of what goes on.

>No, a reply to a tripfag can just be due to the content.

Definitely not with you, no.

>Are you the mod by any chance?

Yes. I am here as an individuum though.

>clearly ego-related

No, board related. As venezuelanon clearly was a troll, or at least shitposting, he had it coming.

I didn’t want any of this to happen. So I needed to stop the board cancer as I know it from /gamergate/ and /pol/

Just like recently, when that pseudo-catholic who couldnt tell the CCC and CIC apart, called people in his own thread cucks and otherwise just shitposted—maybe not intentionally

Maybe Alex needs to add , to moderators to 2. Obvious trolling will be deleted and banned. The problem with meta threads about moderation is the presupposition that mods didn’t have a valid reason for it, whilst not having all the information. For this, there is an appeal button which will be taken seriously.

Of course, with ban evasion and all the jazz, there is no need to lift any bans.

>>4354

>Definitely not with you, no.

There are things that need to be addressed, and you have some beliefs you will have to be talked out of. It’s your soul, not mine. Bringing you on the correct path is for your sake.

>>4355

>Just like recently, when that pseudo-catholic who couldnt tell the CCC and CIC apart,

I don't even know what the CIC is, but that person wasn't me.

I write you lengthy messages whenever I get banned, but I don't know if it's always you.

Did you get any of them?

>>4356

>you have some beliefs you will have to be talked out of.

Suppose so, how are you going to do it if you antagonise me? It won't work. I won't put much credit in your word until I come to believe you're a good person, worth listening to.

Discipulus will probably agree with you on most doctrinal things, and when he speaks, I actually listen, even if I don't agree, I get influenced in my thinking and God knows where that can lead.

>It’s your soul, not mine. Bringing you on the correct path is for your sake.

So you care and don't care at the same time.

Anyway, I suggest we drop all that and talk as inviduals on the same level. I can make the effort.

What's your SPPX deal exactly? I know nothing more than what I've perused on wikipedia today. Genuinely curious.

>>4357

>wasn’t me

I know. The cuckvol thing arose from it

>I write you lengthy messages whenever I get banned

If they are about things you have been banned for already, what can I do? Also the problem with this, I cannot write back. I think IRC is the way to go in this case.

>>4359

I'll confess that I still don't understand what "cuckvol" means, I don't get the vol part.

>If they are about things you have been banned for already, what can I do?

You must not have seen them then. They weren't pleas, they were personal messages to you. They had nothing to do with my offenses. Some other mod must think I'm quite crazy now.

Every ban I took since I left for /christ/ is a ban I haven't contested. I don't mind at all. My messages were more about you as a mod and you getting upset and potentially feeling bad and how you'd be welcome here anyway, even if you came anonymously. Sweet things like that. I thought you were the only mod, hence my messages.

I have no concern with writing actual please to get unbanned and such.

>>4361

>please

>pleas*

>>4343

>Or you could just come back.

It appears that /christ/ already has the most active members that lent character to the old board. Or at least, the only ones that bothered to trip on the old board. A few active members has already been enough for decent discussions, without necessitating a return to a hug box that has not read Martin Luther's letters.

>>4399

Well, it seems like the boards have

>>4361

vol = volunteer

>and you getting upset and potentially feeling bad

No, I have felt bad about a powerhouse on the internet losing power because of a schism. Just like the alma mater lost power because of the schism.

>I have no concern with writing actual please to get unbanned and such.

You know, it’s not about pleasing me. I don’t care about that at all.

Oh yeah, I am not SSPX, actually, but I am a traditionalist

>>4399

>the most active members that lent character to the old board.

Yeah, but what good is it to be confined to here and pretend it’s all okay? I am one of the most active members of /christian/, too, and it’s not about my ego but about 'winning souls'. Not baptist style.

You know, we have had 5/10 atheists who came on /christian/ and went to mass. Or at least something along those lines. We need to work together instead of having some fake disunity.

>>4338

>I was talking with a German man the other day, and he mentioned leaving the Church, and joining again later. The way he talked about it, it sounded like a formality, like a real one, where you sign something and probably where you pay some taxes to support the Church.

I'd rather fear God.

>Just curious about what you mean exactly by "leaving".

That you would have left this board, like in not visiting and reading on it any more.

>>4342

>That said, we should perhaps try to be more present on /christian/, just to let other Christians know there's an alternative.

I'd rather not.

>Wut… We have a satanist flag?

I forgot again… in fact no, but I'll see into it.

>>4343

>Or you could just come back.

No thanks. I just do not enjoy being on the former board anymore. I dislike the new userbase.

>>4355

>No, board related. As venezuelanon clearly was a troll, or at least shitposting, he had it coming.

Reality does not confirm this belief.

He has been an active and valuable member of this board for a couple of weeks now.

>>4356

People like to be taken seriously.

You are welcome to posting here btw again :^)

>>4403

>and pretend it’s all okay?

Nobody's pretending. We genuinely like it here. If I am to spend time on this board and participate to all active threads, it takes me several hours a day. Quality time spent with people I like is all I could ever ask for.

I don't need to pretend it's OK, it's more than OK! It's great.

>it’s not about my ego but about 'winning souls'.

You won't win souls by banning the angry ones, even the trolls. I doubt your method works very well. Maybe it works for certain types of people, in that case, keep up the good job.

>We need to work together instead of having some fake disunity.

There is no disunity, there's just two boards. Nobody here is told not to go to /christian/. Any of us can go there whenever we want. I've been there myself quite a bit yesterday, but I no longer see it as my home so I don't post as much.

Also, the past has shown that we could not work together and none of us has any desire to be under your authority. /christian/ has different goals from /christ/ and a different attitude from it. Both can exist and pursue their own goal.

If you're really concerned about losing "power" by having lost us, maybe you should reconsider your attitude so that others like us won't also leave /christian/.

The problem isn't with a schism, but personalities. All those who left /christian/ because of you did so because they could no longer accept being under your authority (that isn't my case, but knowing you, I would also never feel quite at home on /christian/; the very idea that you get to choose if I get banned or not, if my thread gets deleted or not, that's a problem to me, I don't accept your authority because I don't think it's legitimate and you take this stuff far too seriously to begin with, as if you were acting in the name of the Catholic Church, which you aren't) and so you lost steam.

Tripfags were the most devoted and the most likely to stick together and form a family. That's partly why we left together and that's why /christ/ is awesome.

We are building our own thing here and we're getting more popular every week, just at our pace, family-style.

>>4415

>I'd rather fear God.

OK… But my question was more about whether, in your country, you formally leave/join the Church by signing a governmental document and pay special taxes for it.

>That you would have left this board,

Ah OK. I did leave for many weeks. Caught up with work and major decrease in faith. It's been running dangerously low.

>I'd rather not.

Understandably. I've been trying other places and, so far, I always come back with at least one person. If we get one every time, it's a pretty good result. With our small community, one new person is proportionally tons, especially if they participate at the same rate as others.

>>4430

>>4430

>OK… But my question was more about whether, in your country, you formally leave/join the Church by signing a governmental document and pay special taxes for it.

No, you cannot leave the Church.

The state accepts your membership as "sleeping" though and does not force you to pay taxes to the Church anymore.

>Understandably. I've been trying other places and, so far, I always come back with at least one person. If we get one every time, it's a pretty good result. With our small community, one new person is proportionally tons, especially if they participate at the same rate as others.

But how many of them have just paid one visit and then left? I'm sceptical.

>>4429

>All those who left /christian/ because of you did so because they could no longer accept being under your authority

This.

>>4431

>But how many of them have just paid one visit and then left? I'm sceptical.

Sin Anon came back today to say hi, Orthobro also came back, though hasn't been too active yet. Some others are lurking. And the youngster wants to remain anonymous but he seems very motivated.

Being skeptical won't help on this matter, just do what you can and hope for the best.

>>4446

Quads made of 4! Hallelujah!

>Being skeptical won't help on this matter, just do what you can and hope for the best.

It was odd for me writing this, because that's definitely not what I usually say. Perhaps a sign, to remember these words.

bump,

please post any questions you have in this thread.

mine is: are religious statues idols?

>>5034

>are religious statues idols?

No.

>>5050

why not?

just because the shape of the stone is differently than of a calf?

>>5059

>just because the shape of the stone is differently than of a calf?

No because they are not worshipped. If they are it is idolatry.

An example would be this one sisterhood in Canada that worshipped Mary and claimed that she was the Holy Ghost in fact, they were excommunicated.

>>5063

>An example would be this one sisterhood in Canada that worshipped Mary and claimed that she was the Holy Ghost in fact, they were excommunicated.

Couldn't find the exact case. But I believe they've been related to this:

http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/newheresy.html