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 No.3758

Do you expect a literal apocalypse? Do you think the Book of the Apocalypse is a list of what will unfold literally (or do you think it's basically code for contemporary Christians and really talks about the Roman empire and shares secrets as to what to do and what to avoid and such, the same way the French had a list of coded sentences to communicate secretly without the Germans knowing what the real meaning was?)?

When do you think the end will be? (Nobody knows, I know.)

Personally, I don't actually expect the world to end this way any time soon, or ever (this way). I have no idea what to do with Apocalypse as a text.

 No.3774

>>3758

The way I see it is very simple: If it happens it happens, if it does not it does not. Focus on Christ, have faith and it will not matter.


 No.3776

>>3774

That's how I see it too.

I'm still curious though.


 No.3793

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>>3758

>Do you expect a literal apocalypse?

Yes, but the earth will prevail for eternity.

>>3758

> Do you think the Book of the Apocalypse is a list of what will unfold literally

Yes.

>or do you think it's basically code for contemporary Christians and really talks about the Roman empire and shares secrets as to what to do and what to avoid and such, the same way the French had a list of coded sentences to communicate secretly without the Germans knowing what the real meaning was?)?

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>When do you think the end will be?

This thursday, half past seven in the morning MEC.


 No.3877

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If you take it literally, when the New Jerusalem comes it will be 1500 miles wide by 1500 miles long and 1500 miles high. Like a borg cube. It will come down and probably crush a billion non-believers in India, stripping Earth's atmosphere as it beams up the good men and women. Then it will leave the Earth in ruins. It's positively frightening. Whether it goes to Kolob next is anyone's guess.

Personally I think Martin Luther had the right idea about wanting to remove the book from the bible as non-canon. It contributes nothing about how to live a good life, or any history. If he had done that you wouldn't have so many crazy paranoid people interpreting it for signs over the millennia.

Even if someone were right and identified a sign that it's coming soon, there's nothing more they can do about to prepare for Armageddon. Nothing more than if they were preparing for their own sudden death and Final Judgement.


 No.3893

>>3877

>If you take it literally, when the New Jerusalem comes it will be 1500 miles wide by 1500 miles long and 1500 miles high.

Numbers in the Bible, literally, not even once. They're almost always symbolic and having to do with Hebrew numbers' symbology.

I agree on the idea of dropping Apocalypse from the Bible. Literally nobody knows what to do with it.


 No.3916

>>3893

I don't know a whole lot on how the church compiled the bible but how do you decide on what's not worth keeping? Even if revelations or ezekiel is a schizophrenic nightmare that doesn't have any use if it's the divine word of God then shouldn't it stay in?


 No.3919

>>3916

>I don't know a whole lot on how the church compiled the bible but how do you decide on what's not worth keeping?

The ancient did a great job of selection, according to current historians. Basically, if Jesus flies in the air and shoots fire at His enemies, it's probably not authentic. I've read a bunch of the gospels that weren't selected for the Bible, and they are in very stark contrast. We now know they were also written much later.

>Even if revelations or ezekiel is a schizophrenic nightmare that doesn't have any use if it's the divine word of God then shouldn't it stay in?

The OT is different. You have the Torah, and nobody even discussed whether the books of the Torah were to be taken, since the selecting process had already been done by then. It's the Jewish Bible, essentially. Then you have various canons: Catholics took them all, Protestants removed the Deuterocanonic stuff because Hebrews didn't consider them as canonic as the rest.

The difference between Ezekiel and John of Patmos is that Ezekiel's book was already tradition for centuries, so for better or worse, it's there; another difference is that Ezekiel makes far more sense. Nobody today can really tell you what Revelation is about. Some think it's just code from John to other Christians being persecuted by Rome. After all, John of Patmos does write to various churches, so that version wouldn't surprise me.

I certainly don't think it's the divine word of God. It could be that the author had mental issues. God's visions generally make more sense and have a point. Nobody knows the point of Revelation.


 No.3984

>>3877

>If you take it literally, when the New Jerusalem comes it will be 1500 miles wide by 1500 miles long and 1500 miles high.

why does this make you think it's not true?

do you think the literal creator of the universe coming in the flesh for 33 years, then dying, resurrecting, and ascending to Heaven is more believable? why is one obvious bullshit and the other believable?


 No.3985

>>3984

>why is one obvious bullshit and the other believable?

The gospels are more believable than Apocalypse, and this comes from one of the more skeptical Christians on this board.

Another reason is that any number in the Bible is likely to carry some symbolical meaning due to the Hebrew system.


 No.3991

Apocalypse (Ancient Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apokálypsis, from ἀπό and καλύπτω, meaning "uncovering")

I wish the day would come, where we'd all know the truth, but I fear that it's just another myth, more religious hogwash to keep you hanging on to another false strand of hope.


 No.4086




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