/christ/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

That would suit me as a definition. We should make a flag for it.

That said, technically, all Christians are agnostics, because none of them knows for sure that God exists.

I'm talking on a philosophical level, you can't prove anything is real any more than you can prove God exists (to yourself).

At best, you can say phenomena exist, but beyond that, philosophically, I don't see how we could be more than agnostics, even in Heaven.

Naturally, there's the possibility that the Other Side has such vastly different parameters that even this philosophically irreducible doubt can be outdone (I sure hope it can) and an inquiring mind can finally be at peace.

Until then, though, we're all technical agnostics.

For the sake of conversation, Christian Agnostics isn't something I've ever heard of as an association or even faith, but I'd definitely be interested.

If that's how you view yourself, you and I would probably get along on many issues.

>>4038

Normally I don't try to flash it around, but too often I see people go above simply accepting Christianity as a faith, so I try to diffuse assumptions made about me by people who aren't like-minded.

Personally I think more should be done to persuade people like fundamentalists (or even atheists) into this line of thought, but to each his own.

>>4040

Avoiding impossible certainty helps with fanaticism. Christ never asked us to know for sure, but to have faith, and having faith implies this impossibility of being sure. Some say it's the whole point. Doing good deeds despite not being sure makes your deeds come out only nobler.

>>4044

Nice.

We should try to make an Agnostic Christian flag. I'll check if there's a symbol already.

>>4048

that'd be wicked sick, bro. Btw, why dont you merge /christ/ and /christian/?

>>4053

Because /christ/ exists to offer an alternative to /christian/, which all of us have now rejected. We don't want the sort of moderation that exists on /christian/, so we made our own board.

I was on /christian/ before it became as big as it is now, and it was very different. After a certain point, my views were no longer welcome and dissent was no longer accepted, and I don't mean bans, I mean the general population there didn't appreciate my attitude and I no longer felt welcome.

I believe most Christians here have felt the same, many got banned for reasons they found unfair (and reasons that were unfair).

That's why we won't merge. We came out of /christian/ and have no desire to go back to it; conversely, /christian/ has no desire to see us come back.

>>4059

Damn, that really sucks. Is it like a /pol/ mentality or something?

>>4061

That's my analysis. I feel like plenty of newly converted Catholics did so because of poltard reasons: credible authority, rightwing politics, return to original values, etc. I don't even disagree with poltard values, since I embrace many of them myself, but I often feel like these people are more political activists than followers of Christ and their concern is more with law and obeying it than anything spiritual.

Another reason is that one mod, at least one, goes crazy fairly often and bans a lot for petty offenses, sometimes non-offenses. But mostly, that board is about Christians for Christians, not really discussion of issues; it's more of a group to be together. That's how it started and it was great when we were few, but as it grew, people lost the family feel and connection, and so we discussed issues more often than not, and that's when things broke down. You can't have debates and discussions without total freedom of speech, especially not with touchy mods.

>>4059

>I believe most Christians here have felt the same, many got banned for reasons they found unfair (and reasons that were unfair).

actually it's just you, the mormons and venezuelanon

> conversely, /christian/ has no desire to see us come back.

This is not true. I was asked several times to return personally, and so was the whole board in one of the first threads here.

The only one who accepted the offer was Northern Baptist, however. Who is absent again, interestingly enough.

>>4059

> I mean the general population there didn't appreciate my attitude and I no longer felt welcome.

I think most of them are con artists anyway. For them faith is a meme. Something they just use to be edgy.

>>4096

Actually, I didn't come here because of my bans. We've all seen others get unfairly banned, and that's what I meant.

"Many" doesn't require a high number on this board, though. If we're 5, many of us, if it's 4, is a high number already.

>This is not true. I was asked several times to return personally,

Well fuck, I was only asked once! They probably want you back more than they want me. They see you as a Catholic, while they think I'm the devil's spawn.

>The only one who accepted the offer was Northern Baptist, however. Who is absent again, interestingly enough.

I wish he'd be active here. I know precious nothing of him.

>I think most of them are con artists anyway. For them faith is a meme. Something they just use to be edgy.

My impression too. Tacking God on /pol/itics.