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>>4475

"4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.

5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.

6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—

7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.

8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.

9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God."

So when Jospeh Smith says he will not move, does that mean the Angel will refuse to shake your hand? In that case, you have no more proof the angel is a solid being than the demon whoose hand passes through you.

>>4477

>So when Jospeh Smith says he will not move, does that mean the Angel will refuse to shake your hand?

It just means he'll tell you the truth; he will not attempt to shake your hand because he cannot deceive you. He'll tell you he can't do so.

That's the thing, the demon *will* always offer his hand in an attempt to establish his legitimacy, but only if you call that into question by asking him to shake your hand. I'd imagine these rules only apply to the demon masquerading as an angel of light.

>>4478

Sounds Shakesphearean - (Only men whom you wouldn’t trust anyway would swear oaths, and for the worst reasons. The word of a man is supposed to be sufficient in Julius Caesar.)

I do find it pompus that the Angel would refuse to shake your hand, especially since that's a warm and courteous thing to do, apart from the proof it would give.

>>4481

He wouldn't be like "Shake your hand? Go fuck yourself!". He'd just tell you that he can't because of the truth: he's got no physical body.

>>4481

I've never heard of angels actually shaking hands with anybody, not once, and I've read a bunch of angel meeting experiences, but I don't recall a single person mentioning the handshake.

What's the reference for this by the way? And what happens in societies where they don't shake hands? (Like the British.)

>>4843

They don't casually shake hands. We do here. We kiss women, women kiss themselves, men shake hands with men. The rules depend on a few things, for instance, if you meet a woman for the first time, you shake hands, you don't kiss, normally. Same if it's professional stuff. And it's three kisses "on the cheek", meaning you kiss the air really, cheek to cheek. The French only give two kisses. We start on the left and they start on the right. This can cause diplomatic incidents in which you French kiss a French woman unwillingly.

Yes, I think that demons at as real as angels, and I can't believe that that there's Christians that doesn't believe in them.

>Satan's greatest trick was to fool people thinking that he doesn't exist.

Yes, I have expirences that the only way I can describe it I as demonic. Not to the point that I saw it with wings or so, but that I saw a black mass breathing that he's presence froze me to the point I couldn't speak.

My mother also had an strong experience with a demon on her youth.

Question: is sleep paralysis an demonic act? Are demons trying to trick us by saying its normal?

>>4943

>that I saw a black mass breathing that he's presence froze me to the point I couldn't speak.

This is very common, and it's fucking frightening. Let me see if I can find you the documentary about it…

Found it:

https://youtu.be/QmbpOucNVn4

Absolutely fucking frightening, and after seeing this, I don't believe it's just a brain thing. It's far too detailed and too similar. Everyone sees the same goddam black entity and the same old "hag" looking thing.

>Question: is sleep paralysis an demonic act? Are demons trying to trick us by saying its normal?

See video, but yes. I'd argue the same about UFO's and alien abductions.

>>4943

>Question: is sleep paralysis an demonic act? Are demons trying to trick us by saying its normal?

In fact I occassionally suffer from this. I don't want to make assumptions, but it feels like something that I do not wish even on my enemies.

>>4963

I might have an episode of this but I can't tell for sure. During the night, after falling asleep, I felt like I became half awake and that it was extremely important that I become fully awake. I don't know why, but I felt a "presence" and that it was quite evil. I don't usually feel any of this. I managed to shake it off and become fully awake. It happened a few times in my life and I always felt like falling asleep would have dire consequences.

>>4967

Exactly like that. Thinking about it I haven't had it for about two months now.

When it happens I do not dare to sleep again for the whole night, I lie in bed full of sweat and fear like a child, it's pathetic.

>>4970

Hasn't happened to me in a long time, years I think. But there are two subjects that will make me not sleep: demons and alien abductions, which I suspect of being demons too, which doubles my fear of this shit at night.

>>4972

Alien abductions? Why would anyone think that this is a thing? Why should an Alien be interested in my anus?

I'm not even sure if there are Aliens.

>>4974

>Alien abductions? Why would anyone think that this is a thing?

Thousands upon thousands report it. It is a thing, whatever it really is.

>Why should an Alien be interested in my anus?

That's where it gets interesting: it makes more sense from the perspective of a demon than that of an alien, especially since they flee when you use Christ's name.

Alien abductions resemble devil abductions from the Middle Ages, and many other things. It's possibly the devil's deception to make us think they're aliens.

>>4978

>Thousands upon thousands report it. It is a thing, whatever it really is.

What do they report?

>That's where it gets interesting: it makes more sense from the perspective of a demon than that of an alien

So… why should a demon be interested in my anus?

>especially since they flee when you use Christ's name.

Do they?

The closest to this I had once was me dreaming about a demon once. I kneeled down and prayed our father and he ceased to exist. How would I know this was reality and not just bad supper?

>Alien abductions resemble devil abductions from the Middle Ages

Examples?

>>4980

>What do they report?

Missing time, injuries, sores, and wounds of unknown origins. These people just wake up with the weirdest damage. See Budd Hopkins for more.

>So… why should a demon be interested in my anus?

To defile you? Make you feel bad, weak, scared. Demons tend to want to feel bodies in all sorts of sick sexual ways, so why not?

>Do they?

That's what I've heard often, yes.

>How would I know this was reality and not just bad supper?

Those who report such things have no doubt that it wasn't a dream.

>Examples?

Being transported somewhere else and doing weird sexual stuff with odd beings, for the most part.

>>4983

>Missing time, injuries, sores, and wounds of unknown origins

Better explained by "Dissociative identity disorder." Guy blacks out or his other personality takes over and he bumps his head on a wall. People say a trick of the mind was demon possession, (or aliens.)

Alien abduction is predominately a North American culture bound syndrome. For some reason, aliens are disposed to giving rides to insignificant farmers living in the middle of nowhere in the USA. You do not hear many stories about abductions in Russia, or Africa, but you have other local paranormal beliefs instead.

>>5017

>Better explained by "Dissociative identity disorder."

That means demons though. Just because we can understand the mundane manifestation of demonic possession or persuasion doesn't mean the root cause is not spiritual.

>>4963

it was horrific. I was repeating psalm 23 over and over trying to speak but all i could do was mumble nonsese, horrific,

I will be praying ofr you man.

>>5025

>Just because we can understand the mundane manifestation of demonic possession or persuasion doesn't mean the root cause is not spiritual.

this this this a 1000 times this

some people think that we can explain the physical results of an event it means that a demon couldnt have caused the event. its ridicoulous

>>5037

Likewise with God. Is it sanctity or schizphrenia? Is schizophrenia just a malfunction of something that was intended for God?

I actually replied to discipulus about sleep paralysis but Exodus crashed, fuck it.

>>5017

>Alien abduction is predominately a North American culture bound syndrome.

That's what makes me so suspicious. Never ever heard any one say something about that here. Why should Aliens care so much for Americans and only Americans?

they are second class tier people after all :^)

>>5036

Thanks.

>>5040

>Likewise with God. Is it sanctity or schizphrenia? Is schizophrenia just a malfunction of something that was intended for God?

Let me see if I can find my post on this…

>>5060

>Let me see if I can find my post on this…

Nope. It sucks that the archive does not work

Does it matter in a non-materialist world view if things are actually happening materially?

Why should the "fight" of a man countering demons be any less "true" because it only happens in his mind? Are his feelings and thoughts no part of reality?

If we assume that metaphysical beings exist we have also to accept that metaphysical happenings do occur, which however can influence the material world.

>>5060

Americans are targeted because aliens made a deal with the US authorities, back in 1947. It's a genetic harvest. Aliens get to harvest sperm and ovaries and follow some Americans while the authorities receive advanced tech in exchange.

This explains why mostly Americans get abducted and why the US is so strictly against making alien abduction official, along with UFO's, while other countries literally have that study at university level.

Satan keeps telling me to buy whisky.

>>4943

>>4963

>>4967

Maybe you'd be interested in this here video and/or book.

http://www.stopsleepparalysis.org/sleep-paralysis-stop/

>>5076

> It's a genetic harvest.

Why would they want to harvest American Genes? Are they retarded?

>>5080

Interesting video

>biblical Christianity

>ugh

In fact I do not really feel comfortable wih directly calling on Jesus or "in his name". I do not use his name often, If I was to speak about God I'd either say "father" "lord", "heavenly father" something like that. Which seems to refer more to the Father person of the trinity than the other two. But I've never thought about it before.

In fact I had a case this afternoon, but it was very tame, still always gets me.

At first I wanted to describe it, but thinking about it I see no good coming from it.

>>5089

most of the time I say Jesus Christ.

they name "Jesus" have become so diluted an banal that it even feels weird to say it. Satan is smart, "dont say the name of your Lord in vain" might have been just to avoid that.

But either way you should, the bible says that His name is sacred and that we should call for him.

>>5092

>they name "Jesus" have become so diluted an banal that it even feels weird to say it. Satan is smart, "dont say the name of your Lord in vain" might have been just to avoid that.

I blame the protestants for this.

>>5107

>He explained it. It would be easier to simply harvest the genes of the terrestrials that they have an agreement with rather than those who they do not.

So the have effective means of travelling the universe and have to submitt to our governments? Why should I fear them more than my tax collector then?

>That and the U.S. is a mosaic of all the human species and sub-species

>That and the U.S. is a pithole of all the human species and sub-species

fixd4u

>so they get the whole palette without having to go to each and every country.

Sure, they go on and on for lightyears and want to save some time with those nasty kilometres.

>Aliums are demons btw.

That's the /christ/ian spirit.

now in blog post edition

>>5488

>Anyway, I will feel much better sleeping at night from now on. thanks again.

Indeed. I was never really scared of it, but if there was ever a chance of scaring me it was gone by then.

So I dreamt today again. But this time it was different.

I was there, in the centre of a beautiful meadow, as beautiful as you could imagine. The sun was shining, there was a pond, it was as romantic as it could have been.

There was an adorable woman, and she was my wife I'm not married, but in this dream she "was"

Around me there were children dancing and singing, it was wonderful. Without going into further detail it was my idea of paradise.

But after some time I realised something was wrong. And I spent attention to the details and there I felt something I recognised. Something that I knew from the creatue of this post well:

>>5488

Thus I checked the environment and looked my "son" straight in the eye. I cannot describe it, but I just knew it was wrong by then.

So I uttered calmly: "In the name Of Jesus Christ, begone!"

And then the reality of this world broke apart, "it" was there again and tried its old trick. I was not impressed. "It" got desperate, then I ordered it to leave.

And it did not just leave it … bursted.

Let's just assume that I am not crazy and that this actually happened:

This was the most cunning move I have seen so far, I did not expect that at all.

Therefore I'm so interested now.

I was thinking why it would even do this? It was just making me happy, I was not even harmed not that I know of at least , what's its motivation?

And:

Is it always possible to recognise a demon if it pretends to be someone or something else?

I do not know if I would have if I hadn't known this very one before, it was just a small detail.

I also remember Oolf talling me that one can recognise true Marian appearations from false ones by her feet, because no devil can depict Maries feet because Mary will trample on the devils head in the last days iirc

Is there maybe always something like this? Do we always have a chance to "win" ?

Someday a Christian here might have a dream where the demon that looks like you calls you the demon, and tries to exorcise you with that incantation, "in the name of Christ."

>>5632

>>5037

It does mean that there's nothing to support a supernatural cause though. You can go ahead and believe in demons but if the event is entirely explainable through natural phenomenon it doesn't seem a demonic cause is necessary.

>>5639

Demons are not Christians and can therefore not rely on the authority of Christ.

Humans are not spirits and can therefore not be exorcised.

>>5642

>It does mean that there's nothing to support a supernatural cause though. You can go ahead and believe in demons but if the event is entirely explainable through natural phenomenon it doesn't seem a demonic cause is necessary.

Physical explanations do not exclude metaphysical causes at all.

>>5645

All things are possible in a dream. I might be able to make this scenario, since I have been able to lucid dream.

>>5647

>All things are possible in a dream.

But they do not influence the real world then. Your fantasy does not change reality, metaphysical beings can however influence our physical reality.

> I might be able to make this scenario, since I have been able to lucid dream.

See video.

This is nothing you should try to experience, it is dangerous.

>>5648

>I would really enjoy it if you made a thread about this.

I think it fits in a demonic thread quite well :^)

>>5651

A lucid dream is simply a dream where you are aware you are dreaming, and you can control it to some extent. Usually when I realize I'm dreaming, the dream doesn't last much longer than a minute before I wake up, (my reasoning is that awareness continually stimulates the brain until it wakes up.) I've also sometimes slipped into another dream, and lost control of the dream, and the awareness that I was dreaming, which seems to be the only way for me to keep dreaming. Other people have learned to lucid dream much better than I can, and can go for five minutes or more, or to have multiple lucid dreams in a night.

What separates this from a daydream, is it feels much more vivid, and your imagination conjures images, events, settings and characters with less effort. It's a lot like playing a hyperrealistic video game, because whenever you look at something, your brain tells yourself you're looking at a real object.

My usual activity was to jump into the sky and start flying over buildings while it lasts. I have also transformed into a hero, cast spells and fought stuff, or briefly visited beautiful exotic lands. All you need to lucid dream is 1) awareness you're dreaming and 2) willpower. You can realize you're dreaming at any point, but it's easier if you notice a contradiction in the dream. At that point you can concentrate on not letting yourself "fall asleep" again.

Since you know you're dreaming, if you truly believe your willpower can control your dream, the dream will give way to whatever you want it to do. Some parts of the dream are harder to change than others, but you can get better with practice.

>>5645

I didn't say that they did. I said there's no good reason to believe them. Technically I can't rule out the possibility that a wizard named Eugene from another dimension is the true causative agent of our dreams. All of our natural explanations for the origin and function of dreams are really just the machinations of Eugene. Would you say that such an explanation is less valid than demons and if so, why?

>>5653

>I said there's no good reason to believe them.

There are very good reasons to believe them, especially for Christians.

As a Christian you acknowledge the existence of demons and even magic and that there is metaphysical power in general, so it is just consistent to extend this on dreams.

If there are demons and they are attacking humans we can safely assume that the vulnerable state of dreaming is one of the best occassions to do so.

>Would you say that such an explanation is less valid than demons and if so, why?

A single wizard would not be able to controll all of the dreams of all humans, he would need to be incredibly powerful for that.

Next I highly doubt that humans can easily leave this dimension, respectively not at all without divine assistance.

Also I would think that we would have realised the existence of this Eugene person in the aeons that have passed by now.

But instead there is the idea of demons and spirits that prevails all over the world, regardless of religion and culture.

All of this leads me to the assumption that demons exist and influence this world.

>>5652

I must be half dwarf or something because I almost never have dreams. I've heard that watching too much tv or being on the computer before you go to bed can ¨kill¨ your dreams and I don't mean going on /pol/ to get sad. I've been trying not to do this, for this and other reasons.

I still don't understand how people can even begin to ¨train¨ themselves for these dream endeavors. To me this is something where you surrender all your power, being asleep. Heck, even the act of falling asleep feels beyond one,s control; you just lie there thinking about whatever until you involuntarily loose consciousness, like some kind of prolonged sneeze.

>>5656

>I must be half dwarf or something because I almost never have dreams.

Try keeping a diary and a pen next to your bed. As soon as you wake up write down everything that comes to your mind.

I have thought like you for a period in the past. Then I started doing this, for different reasons though I was not interested in my dreams, and I soon realised that I would just forget my dreams within minutes without me noticing.

This was a very fruitful practice that I should embrace again, now that I think about it.

>>5657

Yes, I keep a journal and whenever I have a particularly interesting dream I've recorded it. This makes it possible to remember images from my dreams years later. It also makes it easier to lucid dream, because you'll be trying to remember you dreams, and that mentality will help you within a dream to recognize contradictions, which allows you to become aware.

If you immediately write down every single thing you remember dreaming about, (don't wait even ten minutes or half of it will be gone), you can often remember even older dreams from the night. There are often transitions and links to older dreams which you'll remember if you write them in chronological order. Most of your dreams will be trivial, but there will be a few gems. Dream journals and lucid dreams help if you're an artist looking for a dreamscape for inspiration, or a writer trying to write a story in your dream. Dream journals allow you to mine your dreams for hints of what is bothering your subconcious.

>>5656

Everyone dreams, but if you don't care about your dreams you won't remember them. If you have time to waste on a Saturday, you can go back to sleep for two hours and you'll probably remember you dream more easily, especially if you're interrupted, say by an alarm clock.

You can influence the direction of your dream by what you think about as you drift asleep. Every subsequent dream will probably be influeneced by the preceding one, but there can be layers and repetitions. Characters and themes in an earlier dream are often repeated in the settings of later dreams on the same night, or if you wake up and go back to sleep.

External factors also affect dreams - a radio coming on has played a songs in my dreams, or when people talk nearby while I'm sleeping, it conjures characters who start reciting the words they're saying, because the sleeping mind wants to justify everything. Yesterday I fell asleep with the light on overhead, and it created a blindingly bright white sun in my dream whenever I looked straight ahead. Other times, a change in the room temperature, has affected the climate of my dream.

If you don't believe you can control your dreams, you won't be able to so much if you do lucid dream. Your belief in this premise will reinforce the idea that you're passively watching a movie, and you won't be able to take directorial control. I've had the same doubts in a dream when I've tried to take control, but I've overcame them by essentially screaming that I could change something within the dream, at which point it usually suddenly changes. I don't feel very surprised when it changes, because if I did I wouldn't have had the conviction to change the dream in the first place. When I have allowed myself to feel surprised, it has become harder or even impossible to make subsequent changes.

At best, when you don't have this "faith" in yourself, you'll probably control one actor's actions in a lucid dream (yourself), and not be able to say, conjure a character and make him/her behave according to a script you write.

>>5036

If you often have nightmares or sleep paralysis, remember you can learn how to wake yourself up from a dream. As long as you realize it's a dream, you can just try to sit upright or roll your body around in bed. Nothing will happen in real life, but eventually the dream will probably freeze, and then you will wake up. (Or you'll just have a false awakening, but a false awakening will still end whatever nightmare you were having.)

When I was a Christian kid I used to dream about the world ending and God, Satan, angels and so forth battling around me. I usually prayed for God's protection when I encountered the scary demons that menace children, and since I believed God was stronger, he usually repelled them. In some nightmares, though I was judged and sent to hell, and the stress of falling to hell woke me up.

Now that I don't believe in those things, if I did see a monster, it would probably cause me to question my reality, and lead to a lucid dream where I could do whatever I wanted. Wolves and giant black dogs have been reoccuring monsters going back to my oldest nightmares, but the last times I've seen any I realized how improbable they were, and they were instead triggers for fun lucid dreams. They used to gang up, stalk, and chase me, but I had a lucid dream where I decided to beat them up and strangle them to death. They haven't bothered me since.

Perhaps we should teach children how to lucid dream so they can stop having so many nightmares, and being afraid of going to sleep.

>>5658

>>5659

I think you do not realise how dangerous all of this is.

Just because you think that you are in controll it is not true.

Maybe some day it will be different and you will be no more able to "end" the dream so lightly, or maybe you think that you are creating and leading in the dreams now, but in fact are already deceived.

>If you often have nightmares or sleep paralysis, remember you can learn how to wake yourself up from a dream. As long as you realize it's a dream, you can just try to sit upright or roll your body around in bed. Nothing will happen in real life, but eventually the dream will probably freeze, and then you will wake up. (Or you'll just have a false awakening, but a false awakening will still end whatever nightmare you were having.)

This is naive.

> but I had a lucid dream where I decided to beat them up and strangle them to death. They haven't bothered me since.

evil/10

>Perhaps we should teach children how to lucid dream so they can stop having so many nightmares, and being afraid of going to sleep.

Perhaps we should just surrender to the devil while we're at it?

>>5092

>they name "Jesus" have become so diluted an banal that it even feels weird to say it. Satan is smart, "dont say the name of your Lord in vain" might have been just to avoid that.

I was told that this refers to the Hebrews using the name of God to seal contracts. You should not use His name for small deals as it would diminish the name's potency as a sealer of deals for bigger deals. That's specifically what this phrase refers to, if my source is correct.

>>5652

>A lucid dream is simply a dream where you are aware you are dreaming,

Here's a thing to consider: when I was a child, I constantly had dreams in which I wanted to kill myself. I wanted to escape the dream world this way. It always worked but made for some strange dreams.

Then I wondered, did I really choose to kill myself to escape the dream, or was that part of the dream? How do you know if you are free in your dreams or if it's just an illusion?

I've experienced lucid dreaming a few times, and it seems you can make shit up as you go, although the practice doesn't appeal to me. I don't like dreams.

>>5656

You dream, you just don't remember. I'm the same. After a certain age, I stopped remembering my dreams. I only remember if I wake in the middle of them now. Some people put their alarm clock in the middle of the night for this. You can train for this. Write down your dreams, etc.

I don't especially enjoy the idea, though. As a child, I had tremendous problems with just falling asleep because I was confused to no end by the idea that one moment I was conscious, and the next I wasn't. My inability to pinpoint exactly when this would happen, each night, made me lose hours of sleep. I'd just wait for this moment like you'd wait for a burglar in the night and that kept me from sleeping well for years.

I also had terrible nightmares for years. I'm glad it all stopped now.

>>5663

>I think you do not realise how dangerous all of this is.

Sometimes I consider trying to summon a demon or some shit just to get more faith. If I saw something demonic in any way, it would boost my faith 200%, which is probably why demons don't show up to me (although that's debatable reasoning, although why not… most people don't see demons).

I'm not going to do it, too scared of spirits and potential problems I may get. Heard too many stories, including first hand testimonies.

>>5813

>Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

To take a name means exactly that: The name becomes yours. As an ancient Israelite, but even moreso as a Christian, you are an adopted son of the Most High God and when you publicly identify as such, you are a representative of Him and every action you take is done in the name of the LORD' and reflects back upon Him.

To use the name of God carelessly, showing disregard for it, is blasphemy, but it is not the point of the third commandment.

Sage for too little relation to the topic at hand.

>>5838

>Sage for too little relation to the topic at hand.

>thread about demons

>notion that the name of God can save you from demons' attacks

>Bible verse about using God's name in vain

>context about verse

>"too little relation to the topic at hand"

It's 100% related. Ramifications based directly on the topic are still related. Besides, if you're going to add to it, don't then dismiss the whole topic… That's passive aggressive and not to your credit.

You haven't said anything about whether or not Hebrews used the name to seal deals.

>>5880

> I frantically tried to wake myself up during nightmares, and then I generally woke up almost immediately after that realization, sometimes within seconds.

I had the same, but how do you know that this wasn't part of the dream? Meaning, how do you know that this wasn't part of the scenario of the dream? "Dreamer will then want to escape the dream by waking himself up, he will think he does this of his own volition, but it's just part of the plan."

>I don't think my brain would often know that it was about to wake up

Dreams last a split second in reality, this is why you'll dream about something related to water if someone splashes you to wake you up. Time in dreams is vastly dilated, or passes faster than we realise.

>>5903

>Does this actually happen in dreams?

Of course. Inception used the concept quite a lot, but it's based on a fact. Dreams last very little time in reality, but they feel like a lot more.

>>5892

The sage function is originally intended for off-topic posts, so that unrelated discussion doesn't bring a thread back to the top. It only attained it's dismissive connotations from the practice of people sagebombing a topic, to push it over the bumplimit, degenerating into unlearned minds using sage (which does nothing) to express their dislike of a topic. >>5838 is actually using it the way it's meant to be used.

Also, 'the name' is really 'the authority' if you look at the context of every passage where the phrase 'the name of YHWH/the LORD' appears. You still have that usage is english, e.g. when a court gives out a sentence in the name of the people.

When you use authority like that for minor things it loses it's impression on people in general, true, but I don't believe the permission to claim the name of God is intended primarily for the sealing of contracts.

The Hebrews did probably swear by the name of God all the time, though. So much that when Jesus came he basically told them to stop it. (Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.)

Regarding Demon possession, there are a lot of cases of family killing their sons and so forth over it. Silliness of this sort.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205880/Teenager-gang-raped-teenager-sister-gouged-eyes-brutal-exorcism-ritual-ordered-PASTOR-Argentina.html

is there anyway to tell if someone is a demon or not, or to tell if someone is truly christian? i'm afraid of inviting a non-christian into my home

>>4963

ive only had sleep paralysis one time but i just willed my self to sit up in bed and it was really hard to do so like it felt like someone was pushing me down but i overcame it and sat up

sounds like ya'll need to get some willpower

>>5078

i dont understand alcoholics

sure being drunk is fun but it makes you feel like shit and is a waste of time

i guess im just lucky being able to not get addicted to substances

is hypnosis and stuff like that satanic?

>>4470

>What's your stance on demons?

Hate the muthafuckers, pardon my français. They are the bane of my existence and I look forward to the day that the Lord casts their entire number into the hell they would-have-been-in-long-ago-were-it-up-to-me-but-fortunately-for-you-all-it-wasn't.

>Ever experienced any?

Every day of my life. But, not in the way you probably mean. Demons are, as Angels, invisible to we in the material plane. They don't exist like we exist. Their existence is simultaneously more and less powerful as a result.

>Know anyone who did?

Knew a Muslim guy many moons ago who swore on a stack of Korans that he and his mates had commanded a djinn to move shit around the room, and the djinn obeyed. Not "look the packet of chewing gum moved", but bookcases shifting and people hovering in the air. A Christian mate and I immediately knew what he had been in contact with and it wasn't benign elemental spirits, f'sure!

>ITT: we discuss demons.

I'm sure the little fuckers are mighty pleased.

Yes, I am acutely aware that not even the Archangel Michael did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said "The Lord rebuke you", and I'm not presuming to Judge men whom God has put in positions of authority, nor really to judge the enemies of God, but to merely slag-off on them, to contend with them vigorously. Think I am in violation of Jude 1:9, I'd be interested, for I'm reading Matthew Henry and he seems to think it applies to men in authority.

>>4470

>What's your stance on demons?

they exist. the bible attests to them, as does experience.

>Ever experienced any?

Before I stopped being an apostate, I witnessed magicians using the powers of demons for anything from divination to inflicting disease and death on people.

When returning from apostasy, as I drew nearer to god, demons began to harass me.

They're definitely real, though. Were it not for them being so real, I'd probably be an atheist rather than a christian now.

>>4943

>Question: is sleep paralysis an demonic act? Are demons trying to trick us by saying its normal?

In my understanding of the brain, sleep and pharmacology, I can say this:

Sleep paralysis itself IS an understandable process. This doesn't mean demons aren't behind some cases of it.

Think of it like the equally mundane act of stumbling and falling. Everytime some jackass trips you, you'll exhibit the symptoms of falling, but just because you're falling doesn't mean someone is tripping you.

Same concept with SP.

>>5659

>lucid dream where I could do whatever I wanted

>They used to gang up, stalk, and chase me, but I had a lucid dream where I decided to beat them up and strangle them to death. They haven't bothered me since.

While I was yet an apostate I had the arrogance to challenge demons during sleep paralysis with the infinite power of my lucidity.

often, I would be attacked and left awaking to brain shocks. Being lucid may grant power over your own mind, but demons are not subject to that.

You're naive. Try leaving your sorcery behind and see what creeps up to drag you back down into the pit with it.